george conway, laura coates, stay with us. you'll both be back in just a moment. >>> just ahead, former trump white house aide cassidy hutchinson sounds the alarm in a new cnn interview. >> that donald trump is the most grave threat that we will face to our democracy in our lifetime. and potentially in american history. >> stand by to hear more from hutchinson on trump and her take on what he intended to happen on january 6th. is it possible my network could take my business to the next level? it is with comcast business. powering all your devices with gig-speed wifi. and you get fast downloads and uploads. pick it up! pick it up! oh we got this! because it's powered by the next generation 10g network. more speed for your business? it's not just possible. it's happening. get started for $59.99 a month for 12 months. plus, ask how to get an $800 prepaid card with a qualifying internet bundle. comcast business, powering possibilities. >>> former white house aide cassidy hutchinson is sending a very clear message that donald trum

back with me's lawyer and columnist george conway. half to leave a motion to vacate on the baby changing table. let everybody work their minds through. that >> it's theater of the absurd, but i want to talk about theaters. >> i don't know whether was done on purpose but for this to come up at this particular moment when kevin mccarthy is having one of the worst weeks of his entire political career and may just get worst, it just doesn't seem like a coincidence? >> it doesn't make any sense. why are you carrying that around? doesn't like it has to be six words long. so why are you carrying it around? move a calm here in there, i can't imagine that. but it's not like it's a big secret though. they've been threatening to do this basically from day one. >> that's not the horse's head in the bed to continue with the mob metaphors. but do you think, to you think we are inevitably heading towards kevin mccarthy being ousted at this point? >> i have no idea. all i can tell you is that nobody cares about governing, they just do not care. and it

back with me is george conway. too cued by half to leave a motion to vacate on the baby changing table. i'll let everybody work their minds through that. >> it's theater of the absurd, but i don't want to talk about theaters. >> i don't know whether it was done on purpose, but for this to come up at this particular moment when kevin mccarthy is having one of the worst weeks in his entire political career and it may just get worse, it doesn't seem like a coincidence. >> why are you carrying that around? why are you carrying it around? move a comma here or there? i can't imagine. it's not like it's a big secret, though. he's been threatening to do this from day one. >> but do you think it's -- do you think it's -- we are inevitably heading towards kevin mccarthy being ousted at this point? >> i have no idea. all i can tell you is nobody cares about governing. they do not care. and it's all about competing for attention. it's why they're going to have such trouble maintaining a majority. they don't really care. these

joining me to discuss, conservative lawyer george conway. t bob menendez appears to be in right now and the fact he is -- he's digging in his heels, he is not stepping down sounds like. >> well, it's just stunning. i mean, the allegations in this indictment are just -- it's just raw corruption of sort. it's classic kind of new jersey kind of corruption. but you know, with a foreign policy overlay. i mean, the man apparently was selling secret information about, you know, about -- of the government's to representatives of the e-eliot spitzer government -- egyptian government. the gold bars, cash in his jacket. even tony soprano had sense enough to bury the cash in the bac backyard. it's crazy. >> how difficult is it going to be for menendez to fight these charges? and i suppose getting back to the political question, his decision to really reject these calls from fellow democrats to resign, and i suppose -- we were talking about this with others earlier in the program, i suppose there's this new school of thought in washington, the olden days

i mean, you know, george conway said they were un-american last hour.a guy that stole nuclear secrets. they support a party that's actually blocking the promotion of hundreds of military men and women, that's standing in the way of military readiness, that hates our intel community now, that hates the fbi now, that hates any law enforcement, that doesn't do what helps donald trump. if any law enforcement agency tries to hold donald trump accountable, they hate them. if any law enforcement law officers try to stop donald trump's mob from going in and wrecking the united states capitol, beating up cops with flags, bloodying their heads, almost killing them, and, in fact, four ended up dying after january 6th, and their families say because of january 6th and donald trump's riots, they don't give a damn about the cops. in fact, they mock them on tv. so you can go on and on and on. it seems not only have they decided to stick with donald trump over other candidates, they've decided to stick with donald trump over america. >> and it's that perverse view of v

george conway's a prominent conservative attorney and foreign republican and are both joining me now. george, people can speculate about the state of mind in all of this, the pattern here is clear. i thought you know with cassidy hutchison relays in that book, where she can't look his mind either but what she can say is he is watching them say hang mike pence on tv and then he tweets that. you can try your own conclusions about the degree to which this figure views the threat of violence as an actual tool to explicitly wield on his behalf. behayes absolutely, i think a lt of people don't take that seriously and don't quite understand it because it is foreign to them. that two kinds of people, that two categories of people who best understood donald trump in 2015 and 2016 where students of psychology and psychiatry. then students of history like ruth. they both come at it from different directions but they get again to the same place. from a psychological standpoint, the explanation for his behavior in january six is that he is a narcissistic sociopath. a psychopath, a malignant narcis

i am joined by george conway, construed beauty writer and founder of veterans of america and host of eorge, name one time when we shut the government down we have not gotten the blame. name one time i have punch somebody in the face with not getting the blame for making a scar on their face. republican wine that they get the blame and then shut the government down. what's going on? >> at least in the past you could figure out some they the republicans were trying to obtain it made some level of sense. maybe a concrete goal they had although it may be fuzzy at times and they were using the threat of a shutdown to obtain that. that is not going on now and it is what members of congress are trying to convey. i heard the phrase extreme republicanism and conservatism. we have got to the stage where they don't support the military or the rule of law. it is not conservatism, it is nihilism. it is distraction for the sake of destruction. they want to shut down the government to make points to get money for small donors again on fox news. to say, look, we thought the big government and they ar

attorney and contributing columnist at "the washington post," george conway is with us this morning. and congressional investigations reporter for "the washington post," jackie el mayny, an msnbc contributor. good to have you all on board this morning. >>> so jonathan lemire, should i ask the red sox win last night? >> when i went to bed they were winning. when i woke up this morning, they had lost. so -- >> go team. >> why did you ask? >> that's our boys, joe. those are our boys. >> well, i think you just neatly summed up -- i'm serious, our entire season. >> yeah. >> good hitting. go to the bull pen, lose games. >> the 2023 red sox. >> yeah. i guess we start -- >> all right. you guys can commiserate. i'll give you more to commiserate about. house republicans continue to fight amongst themselves over two critical bills to fund the military and full government. on the government funding front, a vote planned for yesterday was scrapped after roughly a dozen republicans said they would not support it. and some freedom caucus members are threatening to oust speaker kevin mccarthy if the

joining me now is conservative lawyer george conway, cnn's political commentator anna navarro and staff writer for "the washington post" sarah ellison. george, what has been the cost of this? >> the cost is you have a large segment of the population that is detached from reality, detached from facts. if you try to present them with evidence or facts they will turn it off. they will stop listening. they will simply spew the opposite and they are addicted to hearing what they want to hear whether it is true or not. we saw that with fox's experience that led to fox's payment of the settlement where sometimes they would tell the truth on fox and they'd get blow back and realized they couldn't do that so they kept putting on sidney powell and rudy guiliani even though they knew that as the e-mails that were produced in discovery showed, they are peddling laws. >> is it getting worse? you all are both former republicans and, you know -- >> i am still a registered one. >> still a republican. i imagine you've been on fox news. do you think it is getting worse? >> i have the distinct honor of ne

joining me now is conservative lawyer george conway, cnn political commentator ana navarro, and staff writer for the washington post sarah ellison. george, what has the cost been for all of this? >> the cost is that you have a large segment of the population that is detached from reality, detached from facts and if you try to present them with evidence or facts they will turn it off. they will stop listening. they will simply spew the opposite, and they are addicted to hearing what they want to hear, whether it is true or not. and we saw that with the fox's experience that led to the payment of the 787 million dollar settlement where sometimes they would tell the truth on fox and then we get blow back four and they realize they couldn't do it, so they kept putting on sydney powell and rudy giuliani, even though they knew that as the emails were produced in discovery showed, they are peddling lies. >> but is it getting worse? you all are both former republicans >> i'm stiller registered republican. >> still republican, but i imagine you haven't been on fox news. do you think it's getti

. >> with me now, sofia nelson and george conway.ia, i feel like we cannot escape this generational issue. in all of these different places. there's the biden of it all, the romney of it all, the pelosi. mitt romney is saying pretty clearly, it's time for us boomers to move on. >> i agree with him i admit i'm a little sad. i like mitt romney. last time i saw him we were at a fundraiser for liz cheney. george and i were talking that the republican party we knew is kind of different would you say? i think he threw big shade at the president and trump today and said, basically, you guys need to follow suit. but i think the genx, our generation has not stepped up because the boomers have been on the stage for so long and i'd like to see more of us run for office, be in office and, get involved for millennials. so yeah, i agree. >> both of you are -- can i call you republican expats here? >> yeah, kinda sorta. >> escapees. >> homeless. >> for folks like you, this exit of romney from the stage is a different kind of moment. he made a state

. >> with me now, cnn opinion writer, sophia nelson, and conservative lawyer, george conway.l like we cannot escape this generational issue. and all of these different places. there is the biden of it all. the romney of it all. the pelosi. mitt romney is saying pretty clearly, it's time for us boomers to move on. >> i agree with him. i admit, i'm a little said. i like mitt romney, last time i saw him, we were at a fund-raiser for liz cheney before she lost her primary. and george and i go way back, we were talking about this in the green room. the republican party we new is kind of different, would you say? it's changing so, i think romney is correct on the generational issue. i think he threw big shade at the president, and in trump today, basically, you guys need to follow suit. i do think that gen x, our generation, has not really stepped up just yet. the boomers have been on the stage so long. i would like to see more of us run for office and be in office and get involved as well as millennials. >> george, estonia would saying, both of you, can i call you republican ex pa

kellyanne conway, and karl rove, former deputy chief of staff to president george w. bush.you. two things you look for from the debate. >> who are they going to try to pyile on and han handicap. tried that with ron desantis. nikki haley had a good night. i think they'll go after her a bit and get her to be more specific. i'm looking for someone super gluing to a two and three point plan i can say a week, two weeks, a month from now, that person is going to do the following three things to cut taxes, to deregulate, to contain putin and xi jinping you c cans, to recalibrate trade deals. i don't remember anybody from five weeks ago in the debate you moderated in milwaukee coming up with a plan that makes me feel that person is ready on day one to be commander in chief. you can't just go for head lines and by lines, try to be funny, get everybody to laugh, clap, or boo. these are serious times, somber issues. >> carl. two things. carl, can you hear me, two things about the debate? >> i'm sorry, they were busy moving the bus. two things for the debate. one is i'm looking for who