charles: you brought up george orwell and khrushchev.ting america without firing a shot. along similar lines of using our goodness, using our openness, using the sort of innate, our innate feelings of thinking the best of people and embracing them. we have the statue of liberty that says give us your tired and your poor. how do we defend ourselves and stayed true to that without changing to drastically? >> the constitution provides civil liberties. we are not going to abandon those civil liberties but at the same family to realize realize the president of the united states has a responsibility for national security maintaining the peace, maintaining the tranquility that we have a responsibility for balancing the two. the present of united states can't engage in surveillance and he can deal with these groups that are promoting radical ideas and i think donald trump's made it clear he has to do that. we are going to have a change in which we engage in both the rhetoric as well as the surveillance and the kind of activity that is necessary

george orwell, the most fearless of commentators was right to point out that public opinion is no morepeople can behave foolishly, recklessly, self-destructively in the aggregate just as they can individually. joining us now anand giridharada, author of "the true america." an nbc news contributor. anand, your take on where we are in america as of tonight. >> the message passed around among so many of my friends today was that this was a physical, not a cerebral feeling. >> yeah, yeah. >> and that it felt perhaps more like a breakup, a very bad breakup than anything anybody else could compare it to. so i think that's what a lot of russ grappling. >> deeply emotional response. >> and not because of a party winning or losing. because of the fear that an amazing country could lose its mind. >> in other elections, what i've seen people experience is a sadness that their candidate didn't win, and they felt very attached to john kerry and now they're sad that john kerry didn't win. but it wasn't so much -- the feeling that is out there now is this feeling about the opponent, about the person

i'm teaching a class this term on contemporary george orwell, martha kessler, cs lewis and winston churchill. those people very different people had something similar to say about a tendency in government in modern times totalitarianism. and i say we are reading that stands up to the standard of those people. >> host: who are his friends? did he have lifelong friends? >> guest: yes, he did. he had some really great friends that persisted through life. a man named reggie barnes, a soldier, went to cuba with churchill when they were young old chairs. they later learned to tell what was going on there with the spanish war, with the cuban people. they became friends there. they served into other actions together and they remain a correspondent in 30 sometime. churchill is closer to man named fe smith worker can hand in the movie chariots of fire. he was a very learned, very powerful man. i'll tell you by the site. an essay is very worth reading. he shown pretty good effect in chariots of fire, that he used to walk along powell now, the famous street in england and london. he would go and the lib

. >> anthony: george orwell said something that really upset me when he talked about human beings aremm-hmm. >> anthony: and this is my job. i travel around the world with these people and, and they turn on the cameras and then, for a certain period of time, my job is to shove food into my face. and -- >> marina: and what's wrong with that? >> anthony: um -- >> francis: you have to eat. ♪ >> anthony: ah! look at that. they're, they're just not messing around here, right? >> francis: it's beautiful. i mean, no, no, no, no, no. it's, it's perfect food. ♪ >> anthony: wow. i mean, it's really unnecessarily delicious. what kind of food is this? where is it rooted? >> francis: between italy and spain. and, then, a bit of the gaucho too, with the meat. the way he cooks it. la boca, this neighborhood, is very italian. they say that this is where tango was born in this little street two blocks away here called caminito. ♪ >> anthony: and where does that come from, emotionally? the need for tango. why here? >> francis: tango is extremely sad. it's about love, about despair, it's about poverty,

. >> so big brother is running the country in george orwell's "1984," and every day he beams two minutes of hate into the minds of everyone in the country. >> right. >> so, here's three sentences, before the hate had preceded for 30 seconds, uncontrollable exclamations of rage were breaking out from half the people in the room. in its second minute, the hate rose to a frenzy. people were leaping up and down in their places and shouting at the top of their voices. the horrible thing about the two minutes hate, that's the name of the exercise, was not that one was obliged to act a part, but that it was impossible to avoid joining in, and yet the rage that one felt was an abstract, undirected emotion, which could be switched from one object to another like the flame of a blow lamp. sound like a trump rally? >> and when asked whether he believes trump's rhetoric has poisoned the political system, weld said, quote, i think his whole campaign has been full of dog whistles and stirring up resentment and hatred. >>> relations between the united states and russia continue to sink to levels that h

you as always with our political quote of the day which comes from the late author and critic george orwellho said and this was some 70 years ago mind you. quote in our age there is no such thing as keeping out of politics. all issues are political issues and politics itself a mass of lies, evasions and schizophrenia. that was 70 years ago. just 8 days full election coverage. we will be back here tomorrow at 7:00 eastern. we hope you will, too. don't forget the factor is up next. good night. >>> welcome to "red eye." hello, everyone i'm tom shillue. let's check in with tv's andy levey at the "red eye" tease deck. andy? >> people are changing their tune about james comey thanks to anthony wiener's surprise appearance in this year's presidential election. and this can mean only one thing. seven more days until the purge. plus could an nfl franchise relocate to england? why the jaguars could be the london jaguars. and who would win in a match? a vaughny man -- scrawny man

a judge friend of mine in denver says he requires all of his law clerks upon arrival to read george orwell's famous essay "politics in the english language," which is a great introduction to, you know, how to write. but that kind of, you know, sort of taking hold, if you're going to have law clerks do any writing, they'd better know how to write. judges don't do it, and chief judges don't try to impose any progressive improvements on their flock of subordinate judges. >> bill, you had described earlier today, actually, that judge posner has what you call a literary mind. what do you mean by that? >> oh, it's a sensibility, i think, that merges the understanding of the real world, and tic -- dick certainly has that especially with an economic analysis that drives so much of dick's thinking. but it's also a sensibility that is aware of emotions, human emotions, human drama, i think, is one in particular. and every now and then you have one of these eureka opinions from dick where he'll have a reference to shakespeare which is completely and utterly apt, and you say, well, how else could it be

a judge in denver just said to me that he requires all these law clerks upon arrival to read george orwell's famous essay politics, the nameless language and he was right. which is great production on how to write. but that kind of, this whole is going to have law clerks do any writing, they know how to write so i just don't do it and chief judges don't try to impose any progressive improvements in their flock of supporting their judges. >> bill, you have described and said judge posner has a literary mind, what do you mean by that? >> it's disability i think that merges the understanding of the real world, especially with the economic analysis that drives so much of his thinking. it's also a sensibility that he's aware of emotions, human emotions. human drama, i think is one. every now and then you have one of these eureka opinions where they will have a reference to shakespeare that is completely and utterly apt and you say how else could it be described but to do it that way? so it's an awareness of people in different ways. it's how people live in the real world, one that we all know but

we play video games. >> big brother is running the country in george orwell's "1984."ms two minutes of hate into the minds of everyone in the country. >> right. >> so here's the three sentences. before the hate had proceeded for 30 seconds, uncontrollable exclamations of rage were breaking out from half the people in the room. in its second minute, the hate rose to a frenzy. people were leaping up and down in their places and shouting at the top of their voices. the horrible thing about the two minutes hate, that was the name of the exercise, was not that one was obliged to act a part, but that it was impossible to avoid joining in. and yet, the rage that one felt was an abstract, undirected emotion which could be switched from one object to another like the flame of a blow lamp. sound like a trump rally? >> or a kanye west concert. >> welcome to donald trump's america, everybody. >> you think he's injected a poison into the political system. >> sure do. i sure do. i think his whole campaign has been full of dog whistles and stirring up resentment and not too strong a