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i've had several conversations with george osborne.rtrayed wrongly. in what way? well, he is not about to send them back, basically. that's not his intention. he has no desire to do that. so, is a deal off the table? the british museum told the bbc, "we're not going to dismantle the museum's collection, that tells the story of our common humanity. we are, however, looking at long—term partnerships which would enable some of our greatest objects to be shared with audiences around the world." those who support returning the sculptures to greece believe there is some flexibility in the culture secretary's stance, even a former culture minister. what i thought was interesting was that she left wiggle room for what i think george osborne and the british museum want to do, which is to create a cultural partnership with greece, where it is possible for the parthenon sculptures to physically return to athens for a period of time, in return for some pre—eminent objects coming from athens to the british museum. and that would be a win—win for ev

there were reports in the paper that george osborne - are stunning. a report that they were very close to the deal and he had been having conversations with various greek politicians, including the prime minister. when i did the interview for the media show, michelle was very clear that the law would not change. although people are very confused, other missions have been starting to send back bronzes for nigeria. the british museum is bound by laws that affects them, which say they can't pass over ownership. where there may be some wiggle room, george osborne, he's looking at a sort of cultural partnership where some of these could go back to greece to come here, and they sort of move around. some sort of exchange going on. having said that, i believe that would be a line in the sand for the greeks because the greeks think these are stolen. they don't accept that they're british and their red line would not be to say we'll take it back. it all say we'll take it back. it all becomes — say we'll take it back. it all becomes sort _ say we'll take it back

george osborne is closed doors.sborne is talk to somebody something pop out like a rabbit from a hat. what we should be doing instead, of course, is a clear debate about the principles are why should we return them? then needs to be a clear public led by those who are responsible. that solves all. it's the prime minister . that solves all. it's the prime minister. it's the general board of the british museum. it's the director . they need to set out director. they need to set out clear . i director. they need to set out clear. i mean, the first one is the one that you touch. there is no of ownership about these things. there's no question that these things were stolen and the greek state did not exist. there is no connection between the greek state now and the and athens in 1799, when elgin first went there, an 18 one when the removal actually started. there's just there is just no there's also we're using a false one of the great problems with old culture wars debates is we say oh, this is what we did with jewish.

george osborne is closed doors.sborne is talk to somebody something pop out like a rabbit from a hat. what we should be doing instead, of course, is a clear debate about the principles are why should we return them? then needs to be a clear public led by those who are responsible. that solves all. it's the prime minister . that solves all. it's the prime minister. it's the general board of the british museum. it's the director . they need to set out director. they need to set out clear . i director. they need to set out clear. i mean, the first one is the one that you touch. there is no of ownership about these things. there's no question that these things were stolen and the greek state did not exist. there is no connection between the greek state now and the and athens in 1799, when elgin first went there, an 18 one when the removal actually started. there's just there is just no there's also we're using a false one of the great problems with old culture wars debates is we say oh, this is what we did with jewish.

this i've had several conversations with george osborne.has been misinterpreted and certainly portrayed wrongly. in what way? well, he's not about to send them back, basically. that's not his intention. he has no desire to do that. and there's also been this concept of a 100 year loan mooted as well, which is certainly not what he's planning either. so i think it's important that you can obviously speak to him. he can speak very well for himself without me having to do it for him. but he would agree with me that we shouldn't be sending them back. they do belong here in the uk where we've cared for them for a great deal of time, where we've allowed access to them and along with other artefacts around, around the nation. and this would open the gateway to the question of our entire contents of our museums. i mean, this is a very slippery slope to go down. i think it's important that we stand up and protect them. and as we come to the end, i'd also like to ask you about eurovision, which was originally supposed to be held this year in ukraine

what motivates george osborne to concede in this long running battle? i can only guess .ent. that would be so of character if . we loan these of character if. we loan these statues back to greece. we'll never get them back again without kind of debate or consent of the people we have needlessly yielded by returning what is by definition, at least in part british treasure, to it pains me to say that this move we've lost our marbles quite literally the only crumbling artefact we should be sending abroad, never to return is this discredited ex chancellor osborne in a glass . i'd queue up osborne in a glass. i'd queue up to see . reacting to see. reacting to that and all the big stories of the day. my all star panel. i'm delighted to say we've got an olympian abroad caster and motivational speaker chris sack, abc tv personality precious muir and writer and research analyst ricky assan . research analyst ricky assan. let me start with you, ricky . let me start with you, ricky. should we be handing back the elgin marbles ? well, i think elgin marbles? well, i think there's a fa

what motivates george osborne to concede in this long running battle? i can only guess .ent. that would be so of character if . we loan these of character if. we loan these statues back to greece. we'll never get them back again without kind of debate or consent of the people we have needlessly yielded by returning what is by definition, at least in part british treasure, to it pains me to say that this move we've lost our marbles quite literally the only crumbling artefact we should be sending abroad, never to return is this discredited ex chancellor osborne in a glass . i'd queue up osborne in a glass. i'd queue up to see . reacting to see. reacting to that and all the big stories of the day. my all star panel. i'm delighted to say we've got an olympian abroad caster and motivational speaker chris sack, abc tv personality precious muir and writer and research analyst ricky assan . research analyst ricky assan. let me start with you, ricky . let me start with you, ricky. should we be handing back the elgin marbles ? well, i think elgin marbles? well, i think there's a fa

george osborne that's kind of ruining the british museum at the moment.doing secret talks. that's one of his jobs with greece about where these should be. many people are getting in sort and saying , i don't care why , should saying, i don't care why, should i care? there's more interest, important things to debate, move on. who cares about headless statues ? yeah. amazingly, half statues? yeah. amazingly, half of them seem to be saying to you, i don't care about that. give them back. well, if you don't care, you can just ignore the debate, can't you? it is the job who are lucky job of those who are lucky enough be entrusted to run enough to be entrusted to run our world. leading museums , our world. leading museums, preserve and improve their collections, not scheme behind closed doors to give them away see , it seems to me george see, it seems to me george osborne is taking entirely the wrong tack here. moreover, paul was educating us about the laws on strikes and withdrawing your laboun on strikes and withdrawing your labour. the parliaments in this co

this weird thing george this is weird thing where george osborne who knows osborne has popped up.nd he's sort of loaning them. he said, i'm going give them. he said, i'm going to give you marbles back because you the marbles back because that goes against that sort of goes against our agreement. loan to agreement. but i might loan to you of in a pub or you sort of in a pub or something i'm just not do or say anything ever again that will okay involved in our cultural issues should probably clarify for the viewers they don't for the viewers if they don't the elgin marbles are the marbles from the marbles were taken from the parthenon been in the parthenon and have been in the british museum for a long time taken inverted commonwealth. okay these are the okay so let's take these are the image the marbles and image of the marbles now and a very funny can you see the problem those are ones george i we probably bring those are we can probably bring those are the thing about the proper. so the thing about these they were. josh is these is they were. now josh is sceptical about me saying

what i thought was interesting was that she left wiggle room for what i think george osborne and theritish museum want to do, which is to create a cultural partnership with greece, where it is possible for the parthenon sculptures to physically return to athens for a period of time, in return for some pre—eminent objects coming from athens to the british museum. and that would be a win—win for everybody. greece might not see that as a win, and here, michelle donnellan's words will likely be met with anger. this country believes the artworks were stolen by lord elgin from its parthenon temple in athens. the british museum says the diplomat who removed them in 19th century had a permit to do so. speaking before hearing the culture secretary's views, the greek prime minister, who is facing an election, warned voters return was not imminent. translation: if the greek people trust us again, - i believe we could achieve this target after the elections, with full respect, of course, to the obvious red lines that all greek governments have posed. one red line could be accepting the sculpture

this weird thing george this is weird thing where george osborne who knows osborne has popped up.nd he's sort of loaning them. he said, i'm going give them. he said, i'm going to give you marbles back because you the marbles back because that goes against that sort of goes against our agreement. loan to agreement. but i might loan to you of in a pub or you sort of in a pub or something i'm just not do or say anything ever again that will okay involved in our cultural issues should probably clarify for the viewers they don't for the viewers if they don't the elgin marbles are the marbles from the marbles were taken from the parthenon been in the parthenon and have been in the british museum for a long time taken inverted commonwealth. okay these are the okay so let's take these are the image the marbles and image of the marbles now and a very funny can you see the problem those are ones george i we probably bring those are we can probably bring those are the thing about the proper. so the thing about these they were. josh is these is they were. now josh is sceptical about me saying

report suggested the museum's chairman george osborne is close to a deal returning the works to athenso down and could lead to some british museums losing their entire contents. two nationalist parties in northern ireland, sinn fein and the sdlp, have refused to attend a meeting with the foreign secretary, james cleverly, because sinn fein�*s leader mary lou mcdonald wasn't invited. mr cleverly travelled to belfast for talks to try to end the current political stalemate there. disagreements over post—brexit trade arrangements have stopped the northern ireland assembly functioning. the northern ireland protocol means goods going from mainland britain to northern ireland have to be checked because they are still subject to some eu rules. after brexit, special trading arrangements were needed because northern ireland has a land border with the republic of ireland, which is part of the eu. stormont�*s power—sharing government collapsed almost a year ago when the democratic unionist party pulled its first minister out of office in protest over the protocol. 0ur ireland correspondent, emma v

please note that self—confessed lord lazy advice the george osborne public schoolboys on the nipple ofing somehow that this is their world, it belongs to modern. i'm i'm a pragmatist yeah and i'd say if we do move on to new area and they do go back to the country of origin because at how do we have positive relationships between the two countries. is there something we could get out of it? we've had for 200 years if we're not benefited enough? no, i don't mean that. i mean, if we all moving on israel the thing so they could say could have they could say you could have some of the displaced that we're not rest cycle of not using is the rest cycle of goods and museum pieces that aren't being looked at the moment there a better moment is there a better relationship we can have with one in all countries. one another in all countries. i'm let's move on. is i'm just say let's move on. is there should we be moving on. well an internation well london is an internation city. that's reality. it city. that's the reality. it says often . and philip's right. says often. and philip's right. people c

another tory bigwig michael heseltine, has a similar sentiment and even ex chancellor george osborneber him , george osborne remember him, told the times newspaper it wouldn't be terrible for the country if keir starmer became minister after 13 years in government . are the tories government. are the tories running out of is a stint in what they need to regroup and reunite around a leader and have a vision for the future ? or is a vision for the future? or is rishi sunak the start they needed to debate this? i'm delighted to welcome . two icons delighted to welcome. two icons of the concert active movement. we have former conservative government minister and whittaker bestselling author and television personality no less, and a very first appearance on mark dolan tonight, a warm welcome to the mp redditch and conservative party vice—chairman rachel mclean. rachael welcome to the show. do you think that your party has run out of steam? you could do with a rest as tory icon kenneth clarke puts it definitely . no, thank you, mark, definitely. no, thank you, mark, for having me on. and i

her majesty's treasury said the same thing, of course, which then chancellor george osborne cited as fact . none of it cited as fact. none of it happened. cited as fact. none of it happened . the uk economy happened. the uk economy actually soured on quite happily throughout 2016 and 2017, and since that brexit vote, of course, while argued about brexit for three years and then there was a transition period, and then pretty much when that ended, we went into a covid lockdown. since then, of course, we've had war in ukraine, but since that vote , the uk since that brexit vote, the uk has actually pretty much has grown actually pretty much the same as germany and last yean the same as germany and last year, 2020 to the uk actually outperformed most other g7 nations, including the eurozone . we grew by 4.1, partly we had a deeper lockdown and so we had a deeper lockdown and so we had a bit of a bounce back . look, a bit of a bounce back. look, forecasts aren't destiny . and forecasts aren't destiny. and the imf also said in their report , barely picked up by the report, barely picked up

obsessions about infrastructure policy have a massive impact on the country and we need to remember george osbornext election, hs2 that whoever wins the next election, hsz will that whoever wins the next election, hs2 will survive. we have a chancellor who cares and in rachel reeves we have eight inch a chancellor who will protect the project so we have commitments from those people and we will work with them to deliver that's what i cynics and those on the outside of the bubble are trying to perpetrate and create rumours and speculation which i think is motivated to destabilise the speech from the chancellor today. the speech from the chancellor toda . ~ , ., today. we must leave it there. chief executive of — today. we must leave it there. chief executive of the _ today. we must leave it there. chief executive of the northern _ today. we must leave it there. chief l executive of the northern powerhouse partnership, at leeds station for us this morning, thank you. we are asking you today what you think of the report suggesting that hs2 would no longer terminate at euston station in central london

george osborne's liverpool winning the league . covid winning the league.ockdowns and the cost of living crisis can all be traced back to the health act 2006. probably but don't rule it out. not the negative effects on the old lungs that are 20 a day habit almost certainly has. spectator world staffer carter kennedy last week laid out in an article an ode to smoking all benefits of a life of breaks and brief encounters , those dingy corners, encounters, those dingy corners, the areas reserved for the fewer , fewer lambert and butler corner sewers of these islands. so cara, how was smoking your life and how could it help others ? oh, gosh, where do others? oh, gosh, where do i start. i mean, i thought this piece would be more controversial than it was currently. the anti—smoking currently. the anti —smoking doesn't currently. the anti—smoking doesn't read the spectator world, but yeah, smoking areas and i favourite place on earth you meet such interesting people like i laid out in the piece. i've had job offers , i've met i've had job offers, i've met boyfri

george osborne's liverpool winning the league . covid winning the league.ockdowns and the cost of living crisis can all be traced back to the health act 2006. probably but don't rule it out. not the negative effects on the old lungs that are 20 a day habit almost certainly has. spectator world staffer carter kennedy last week laid out in an article an ode to smoking all benefits of a life of breaks and brief encounters , those dingy corners, encounters, those dingy corners, the areas reserved for the fewer , fewer lambert and butler corner sewers of these islands. so cara, how was smoking your life and how could it help others ? oh, gosh, where do others? oh, gosh, where do i start. i mean, i thought this piece would be more controversial than it was currently. the anti—smoking currently. the anti —smoking doesn't currently. the anti—smoking doesn't read the spectator world, but yeah, smoking areas and i favourite place on earth you meet such interesting people like i laid out in the piece. i've had job offers , i've met i've had job offers, i've met boyfri

and you know, george osborne was the chancellor who brought in this wave after wave of license fee freezing through austerity basically that a lot of the well service the money was going to well services than having to be directed, direct redirected to domestic. if you like the domestic b, b, c. so no, i think, yes, the government maybe should step in with this. be you talking about the government . that is, for example, you know, overseas development aid got rid of the department, french national development. i don't think these that he sees are relations with poor parts of the world, or developing parts of the world as remotely important. all right, thank you for sharing your thoughts on that. asked the campbell there. thank you. all of us by now still, i had an al jazeera farming for the future african leaders, me to try and find ways of unlocking the company's food reduction potential. and 7 of this of us reaches the australian open as he chases, 1st grand slam. ah, with either rain continues to be a big problem across the gulf. here's her weather for hess beginning in the middle east.

another tory bigwig michael heseltine, has a similar sentiment and even ex chancellor george osborneber him , george osborne remember him, told the times newspaper it wouldn't be terrible for the country if keir starmer became minister after 13 years in government . are the tories government. are the tories running out of is a stint in what they need to regroup and reunite around a leader and have a vision for the future ? or is a vision for the future? or is rishi sunak the start they needed to debate this? i'm delighted to welcome . two icons delighted to welcome. two icons of the concert active movement. we have former conservative government minister and whittaker bestselling author and television personality no less, and a very first appearance on mark dolan tonight, a warm welcome to the mp redditch and conservative party vice—chairman rachel mclean. rachael welcome to the show. do you think that your party has run out of steam? you could do with a rest as tory icon kenneth clarke puts it definitely . no, thank you, mark, definitely. no, thank you, mark, for having me on. and i

and bear in mind when george osborne corporation tax , he had done a corporation tax, he had done a dynamiche dynamic assessment of, the effect it would have, which is unusual for the treasury. the treasury usually does it on a static basis when that's why he came to conclusion cutting came to conclusion that cutting the actually benefit the tax would actually benefit the tax would actually benefit the revenue. i've said many the revenue. so i've said many times, so, jeremy, that is sorry . well, jeremy hunt's making a mistake then because he's the one who said the only tax cut that the public needs right now is a cut to inflation. it to me, like you're saying that he should axe decision to add 6% to corporation tax in march budget . i think i think cutting corporation tax would make the pubuc corporation tax would make the public finances and the economy rather than weaker as a general rule. however, i'm not in favour of unfunded tax cuts . i think of unfunded tax cuts. i think they need to go hand in glove with cutting government expenditure. the state is and taxing too much money and it'

helen was an adviser to george osborne.n egypt are finding, abusing and extorting people from the lgbtq community they also meet online. let's get more now from ahmed who made that report. thanks forjoining us. lots of people will not know what the report is that you have been working on, so explain what you found? the is that you have been working on, so explain what you found?— explain what you found? the most im ortant explain what you found? the most important thing — explain what you found? the most important thing is _ explain what you found? the most important thing is that _ explain what you found? the most important thing is that in - explain what you found? the most important thing is that in egypt i important thing is that in egypt whether you are egyptian or a foreigner, anyone is possibly able to be arrested simply for being on a dating app, social media, whether you are looking for love or friendship, or looking for a date. we spent a lot of time going through an extraordinary amount of exclusive police transc

windfall tax, whether that was labour 's windfall tax on the privatised utilities in 1997, or george osborneve £1400 on bills for a whole year and that's why it should be a priority. i'm sure we will talk about that on another occasion.— sure we will talk about that on another occasion. you have also had another occasion. you have also had a busy week — another occasion. you have also had a busy week of _ another occasion. you have also had a busy week of being _ another occasion. you have also had a busy week of being in _ another occasion. you have also had a busy week of being in davos, - a busy week of being in davos, that's the annual get—together of chief executives and politicians from around the world. we can see a picture of you and kiss some there in your snow boots. i'm not wearing them today! i think some people in your party might look at those images of your party leader and your shadow chancellor at davos, rubbing shoulders with essentially the global financial 1%, shoulders with essentially the globalfinancial1%, and kind of wince at that a bit. what would you say to them?— s

i mean, i feel the government being a bit of a no win situation because of course, it was george osbornewhole thing about northern and about northern powerhouse and bofis about northern powerhouse and boris about boris johnson who went about levelling actually levelling off and actually pulling the whole thing about regenerating north regenerating the north on the political now political agenda. well, now there's two ways of looking at it. one is that they haven't delivered people's expectations the way to say, well, the other way to say, well, they've raised expectations so much that they were never going to to do it. and now to be able to do it. and now they're being criticised, even though they're a lot, though they're doing a lot, they're being criticised they're just being criticised because meet because they can never meet people's expectations which come, to in come, which come to you in a vacuum. either way you vacuum. well either way you can't more sympathy for the can't have more sympathy for the government because they were the ones set the targets, the ones who set the targets

well, i know george osborne said that actually getting money this way, and that's why i ask, is it about? you said it was a relatively easy revenue gener rater and is this what it's about and is it therefore, in fact, that. well, as you know, the pensions aren't are taxed on that. they're not taxed on entry. so i mean, even the national assurance contributions that go towards the 42% that make up the pension pot for the country , going back to the women country, going back to the women in pensions, i think a lot of women and worked in the fifties, in the sixties were opted out of serps and they didn't pay the big stamp. so there there's no i absolute imbalance from women now taking their pensions. i don't mind working to 6 to 8. i don't mind working to 6 to 8. i don't mind working at all for any age because i enjoy working. however if we have got the mortality rates coming down, sorry, going up and then it's not fair. and i think we've your pension expert made a good comment about the shift and it's like elton's shift in traffic shift and everything just basically displaces things. clare

by the museum, butits being given away by the museum, but its chairman, the former chancellor george osbornes reportedly drawn up a cultural exchange with athens. that's according to the telegraph newspaper. the two and a half thousand year old marbles were taken by lord elgin in the early 19th century, where they are displayed has been the subject of long controversy . this is gb of long controversy. this is gb news. we'll bring you more news as it happens, of course. now it's back to beth . it's back to beth. very good morning. welcome. spent time today on gb news. thank you for joining spent time today on gb news. thank you forjoining me. here's thank you for joining me. here's what's coming up on the show as we welcome in 2023, around half of britain's railway lines are closed with only a fifth of services running . as 40,000 rail services running. as 40,000 rail workers strike for a second day, rmt members across network rail and 14 train companies walking off the job today as well as friday and saturday in a dispute over pay, jobs and conditions. union boss mick lynch told gb news the

chief executive of the northern powerhouse partnership, a group chaired by former chancellor george osbornehe government's integrated rail plan to get hs2 trains to leeds, even if the full line doesn't come here. so, whether you are standing here in leeds, or standing in manchester, that is being promised a new line, all the way to manchester. this report doesn't add up, because the issue is that there aren't enough platforms, only six platforms, farfewer than are going to be available at euston station. and so, if you don't have euston station, there is no way to get the same number of trains. which means that birmingham probably will get service on hs2 but manchester and those trains running onto leeds, we can forget about those. so, it is not good enough, fundamentally whoever thought this up, it is a half baked idea and what it will do is reduce the value for money of the whole scheme. every time we cut off a bit of line, every time some of those advisers close to borisjohnson have another half baked thought, as they did over the last couple of years, we make the project less valuable t

business leaders and to talking conservative chancellor george osborne and getting tips about the transitionster spokesman last week about rishi sunak, was he going , he hasn't gone because apparently he's focusing on these five priorities at home. and also he already has that image, doesn't he? when he met emmanuel macron , slightly emmanuel macron, slightly technocratic , you know, one of technocratic, you know, one of the global elite, it's not necessarily that helpful . he necessarily that helpful. he doesn't need to bolster that image . that in some ways is a image. that in some ways is a problem for him. whereas keir starmer and rachel reeves at davos, think obviously not davos, they think obviously not everyone on left is going to everyone on the left is going to be happy that they're there. davos comes for lots of davos comes in for lots of criticism every year, they criticism every year, but they have it's worth have decided that it's worth while the prime minister's way that they have a yes, a that they can have a yes, a presence on that stage. catherine, thank you very much indeed

and i can remember being in the tory conference way back in two thousand and seven when george osborne a promise we will raise inheritance tax raise the inheritance tax threshold to £1 million, another broken promise . well, there are broken promise. well, there are things i should point out. firstly, if you pass it over to a spouse or civil partner, then generally there's no inheritance tax to pay and also you double it up. so if you are a married couple, then you'll have two times that half a million. so technically they could say yes, it i could it is £1,000,000 that you could pass look, would pass on. but look, i would suggest anyone, you're in suggest to anyone, if you're in this i mean, firstly, this situation. i mean, firstly, just, you know, as you pointed out quite rightly, it's a very traumatic time. families, the last thing want to do last thing they want to do is have a letter hmrc saying have a letter from hmrc saying they're because they're investigating because this . so you can this can take years. so you can take as they want to take as long as they want to look these

collectively, you know, we're all in this together it's that cameron esque sort of, you know, george osbornene, you know, gone through some times . now some tough economic times. now is not the time to be calling industrial particularly industrial action, particularly with christmas but with the christmas break. but interestingly, the interestingly, earlier in the times, keir starmer can't times, even keir starmer can't apparently saying even keir starmer with his whopping great lead in the polls at the moment he can't sit pretty no and i think you know we've we would do well to remember that the last year pretty much since 2016 and the brexit vote never trust whole heartedly a poll because they the voters are so fickle and i think that's a wonderful thing that nobody you can't take anything for granted is basically what saying in the basically what i'm saying in the red wall, voters the times looks at and the fact that those surveys in those areas said . surveys in those areas said. well, yes, i might vote for laboun well, yes, i might vote for labour, but then actually was a suggestion tha