>> george washington was part of the freemasons, and that particular sunburst is an image in the 18theemasons. >> had washington lived in another age, it might be easier to remove all doubt -- if he'd been photographed with the wallet or if you could swab it for his dna. but dr. lori says that for a 240-year-old artifact, you'll rarely do better than her final piece of proof. >> so, this is where people say, "oh, we don't have a document." we do have a document. >> that affidavit attesting to the chain of custody from washington to farwell's ancestors. never sold, right? >> no, never sold -- always handed down in the family. >> that provenance, dr. lori adds, has never been challenged by anyone outside the farwell family. has dr. lori persuaded you? >> the initials and so on look like they were done quite some time ago. >> in a graceful denouement, richard patterson seems to buy it. dr. lori is 100% convinced this is george washington's pocketbook. >> cool. >> are you? >> why not? i was leaning in that direction. >> barbara farwell is also pleased to hear dr. lori thinks the wallet co

and this is written in correspondence between george washington his secretary to lealeer ell as martha washington came up with a rotation plan. a slave rotation plan where they would rotate their slaves from pennsylvania to virginia every six months in order to avoid the l law. he's breaking the spirit of the law in ordinary toer to maintai property. >> this as president. >> yes. >> not funny but it is. >> yeah. >> what then -- i don't want to give the whole story away. what then occasions, opportunity for ona to get free from them because we all heard you say a moment ago how she is seeing all this freedom in philadelphia and i, for one, believe that courage is contagious. i mean, people get a taste of that. they get a sense of that. they know what their lives ought to represent. so it's just -- as far as i read your book and i'm going through it, it's just a matter of time. i know how the story ends. it's just a matter of time because she's seen what life can be. who occasions or opportunity for her to break free of the washingtons? >> you know, she's around this freedom

george washington was a slave owner. was george washington a slave owner? will george washington looses status? excuse me. to take down statues to george washington? how about thomas jefferson. what do you think of thomas jefferson? you like him? are we going to take down the statue because he was a major slave owner. are we going to take down his statue? you are changing history, you are changing culture and you talkingple -- i'm not about the neo-nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally. yet many people other than neo-nazis and white nationalists. the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. in the other group, also, you had some fine people, but you also had trouble makers and you see them come with the black outfits and the helmets and the baseball bats -- you have a lot of that people in the other group, too. >> you were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? mr. trump: there were people at that rally and i looked the night before, if you look, there verypeople protesting quietly the taking down of the

he is a black man who was -- who worked with george washington. depicted in the painting washington crossing the delaware. yet, george washington, this same man who i believe was a hero, also pursued his run away slave. there's a new book out called "never caught." george washington was a complex man who validated william lee, who served beside him and per sued a run away slave across america. i'm someone who can believe in the nuance of heroes. so, i perhaps trianglelating between you. i am obsessed with history. dig into it. know our history. i don't think george washington is a robert e. lee and i don't think president trump knows anything about history, he is using it as a blunt instrument for talking points to please white supremacists. that's what i believe. >> this is an important conversation. if you will stick around with me, more to discuss. i want to give you an update, continuing to follow breaking news overseas. a van plowing into a crowd in barcelona. i'm going to speak to an eyewitness. details coming in. we'll be right back. (cat 1)

george washington was a shave owner. was george washington a slave owner? so will george washington now lose his status? are we going to take down, excuse me, are we going to take down statues? how about thomas jefferson? what do you think of thomas jefferson? do you like him? he was a major slave owner. >> joining me now, the member of the national board of directors of the naacp, and by phone, georgia state representative stacy abrams, candidate for georgia, who received hate tweets after calling for the removal of monuments. there are 718 monday utilities, ten major u.s. military bases named in honor of confederate military leaders. is that about heritage or something else? some some of this history, people are misappropriating. somebody said you can't challenge what you are unless you really repent. let's talk about the charlottesville monument. 80% of these monuments were erected between 1898 and 1920. they were erected to celebrate the deconstruction of reconstruction. they were erected to celebrate the separate but equal decision. in 1915, woodrow wi

listen. >> was george washington a slave owner? so will george washington now lose his status? are we going to take down -- excuse me, are we going to take down statues to george washington? how about thomas jefferson? what do you think of thomas jefferson? do you like him? okay. good. are we going to take down the statue because he was a major slave owner. so you know what? it's fine. you're changing history, you're changing culture and you had people and i'm not talking about the neo nazis and the white nationalists because they should be condemned totally but you had many other people in that group and the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. >> first as a historian, your reaction to those comments? >> it's kind of stunning to watch this. it's also for many americans upsetting to watch this. obviously washington and jefferson were slave owners, but here we're talking about a leader of the confederate forces trying to destroy the union to protect the slave owning society versus george washington, the person who tried to build our e republic and the monuments were built

george washington was a slave owner. was george washington a slave owner.l george washington now lose his status. are we going to take down -- excuse me. are we going to take down statues to george washington? how about thomas jefferson? what do you think of thomas jefferson? do you like him? >> i love him be. >> he was major slave owner. are we going to take down his? it's fine. you're changing history. you're changing culture. >> changing culture. that was where donald trump's presentation landed on today. igniting controversies all of this is significant because these fights over history are not about the past. they are also about the future. they don't appear to be going away. with me is the new yorker cobb who has written about charlottesville and the former may mayoral candidate of baltimore. when you hear this president go down that road of saying that, to him, robert e. lee is maybe like george washington and a few days out of these deaths his focus is on the statues and not the real people. the people who lost their lives in america this week. what

george washington was a slave owner. was george washington a slave owner? will george washington now lose his status? >> reporter: the president's words today echo what he said saturday, when he blamed many sides for hatred, bigotry and violence, not condemning then the white supremacists and neo-nazis who participated in the weekend rally. he did denounce them explicitly monday, but today -- >> you had many people in that group other than neo-nazis and white nationalists, okay? and the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. >> reporter: the president said he never spoke with his controversial chief strategist, steve bannon, about his original statement this weekend. >> i like him. he's a good man. he is not a racist, i can tell you that. he's a good person. he actually gets a very unfair press in that regard. but we'll see what happens with mr. bannon. >> reporter: the extraordinary back-and-forth you just watched was never supposed to happen in the first place. nbc news has learned the president was not set to answer any questions, according to a sen

connecting to george washington, the father of our country and people, you know, physically examined her. it was very troubling mostly because then she dies and then he has a medical theater where he dissects her in front of people. yeah, it gets pretty intense but he realized, oh, she wasn't that old that was also part of the hoax, the revelation. that's talking a lot about the idea about not only what you could say and make it almost patriotic to believe in this hoax but also that questioning the hoax or wondering about it was al part of the hoax, you know, he was great of making that part of it and you see that part of it now where the accusations of fake news are just as important as the revelations that they are fake and that kind of circle and circus as it were is part of barnum's legacy. >> host: trump signals a far more troubling mind set one in which the truth isn't so much absent or contested as it doesn't matter. >> guest: yeah, well, i don't know if i'm alone in saying that we are in an interesting time where there are these kinds of questions about what is true. those al

was george washington a slave owner? will george washington now loses status? excuse me?are we going to take down the statues to george washington? how about thomas jefferson? do you like him? good. we going to take down the study because he was a major slave owner. will we ta ke he was a major slave owner. will we take down his statue? you know what, it's fine. you're changing history, changing culture and you had people and i'm not talking about the neo—nazis and the white nationalists because they should be condemned totally but you had many people in that group other than neo—nazis and white nationalists, ok. and the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. in the other group also you will have some fine people but you will have some fine people but you also had trouble makers and you saw them coming with the black outfits and the helm ats and the baseball bats. you had a lot of bad people in the other group as well. you were saying that the press had treated white nationalists unfairly? i don't understand. there were people in that rally, i looked at before, if yo

so will george washington now lose his status?e we going to take down statues to george washington? how about thomas jefferson? what do you think about thomas jefferson? you like him? are we going to take down the statue? he was a major slave owner. so you know what? it's pheno. you're changing history, you're changing culture and you had people and i'm not talking about the neo-nazis but you had plenty of people other than those and the press has treated them unfairly. >> it drew criticism from unside his own party. the president's ability to effectively govern may be dwindling by the hour. >> the charlottesville valley was to protest the taking down of the stat kwhu of robert e. lee. here's what some of those protesters were chanting. >> jews will not replace us. >> vice news was imbedded with those protesters friday and throughout the weekend. they shared that video. the message not quite about monuments. the tragedy appears to be accelerated to remove statues across the country. at least two of baltimore's four confederate mon

was george washington a slave owner? >> yes, he was. >> so will george washington now lose his status? are we going to take down-- excuse me. are we going to take down-- are we going to take down statutes to george washington? >> stephen: spoken like a guy who's suspiciously worried that racist presidents don't get statues anymore. ( laughter ) ( applause )"a we gonna-- what ? do i get one? because i look--" and george washington wasn't the only founding father trump could name. >> how about thomas jefferson? what do you think of thomas jefferson? do you like him? >> i do love him. >> okay, good. are we going to take down the statue? because he was a major slave owner. >> stephen: oh, yeah, major slave over. easily in the top-five slave owners. it goes jefferson, washington, madison, jabba the hutt, and ivanka's clothing line. there are a lot of them. ( applause ) i think-- i'm not-- i think so. i think so. if i'm wrong, i'm joking, obviously. and he had more to say about jefferson. >> he was a major slave owner. now, ar

george washington was a slave owner. so will george washington now lose his status?e down -- excuse me, are we going to take statues of george washington? how about thomas jefferson? would he think of thomas jefferson? do you like them? he was a major slave owner. you had people come in not talking about the neo-nazis and the white nationalist because they should be condemned totally. yet many people in that group other than neo-nazis and white nationalist. there are two sides to a story. i thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country. a horrible moment, but there are two sides to the country. cheryl: what happened in new york at trump tower. it was supposed to be a press conference about infrastructure went completely off the rails. will quit, his comments about steve been in. several ports at this event on its way out asking about that as well. the topics certainly virginia. >> 24 questions. one was. cheryl: he's going to be heading out to bedminster, new jersey this afternoon. he said to meet later today with small business owners. >> focus on the

and george washington's tent.n come to hold the largest slave population in the history of the world and yet the revolution continued to inspire. >> his answer. an inspiration to over throw the tyranny of his day, to side with the right against the wrong with the weak against the strong and with to pressed against to presser, he said. here lies of those revolutionaries and many that have followed. like douglas, most americans are not content with reassuring origin stories. we work now for the prospect of the better future with past levels our guide. we see the american revolution in its own historical present, we look not only on the grand jury of long debt heroes. we appreciate the efforts of common women, men and children of all sorts. their losses, as well as their victories and determination to turn those losses into lessons that will keep them fighting on. taking this history of inspiration to make the united states the company retreat and meaning to be. i, for one, to a very fortunate that this museum is ali

was george washington a slave owner? so, will george washington now lose his status? we going to take down--excuse me. are we going to take down, are we going to take down statues to george washington? how about thomas jefferson? what do you think of thomas jefferson? you like him. >> i do love thomas jefferson. >> he was a major slave owner are we going to take down his statue. you know what it is fine. you are changing history. you are changing culture. and you had people. not talking about the neo-nazis and white nationalists they should be condemned totally. you had many people in the group other than neo-nazis and white nationalists. okay. and the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. now, in the other group, also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with, with the black outfits and health melts and the baseball bats. the other group. >> i didn't understand what you were saying, the press has treated white nationalists unfairly. i didn't understand? >> there were people in the rally. i looked the night before. if

george washington was a slave owner. was george washington a slave owner? so will george washington now lose his status? are we going to take down -- excuse me -- are we going to take down statues of george washington? how about thomas jefferson? what you think about thomas jefferson? do you like him? because he was a major slave owner. so we are going to take down his statue. you know what, it is fine. you are changing history, your changing culture, and you have people -- and i am not talking about the neo-nazis are the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally -- but you had people in those groups other than white nationalists and neo-nazis. the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. in the other group also, you had some fine people, but also had trouble makers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with a baseball bats, you got a lot bad people in the other group, too. >> you were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? president trump: no, there were people in that rally, and i lo

does that mean you will take down george washington because george washington was a slave owner. george washington represents a very different thing in american history. the civil war is not a time we want to relive. >> well, and to his point it is a valid question to raise, do we want to relive a period of time when certain people in our society were owned by other humans? you know, that is the logical extension of this line of thought, if we're going to pull down statues. now let me say -- trish: can i jump in real quick? point out to the viewer. a lot of these statues came about during the jim crow era. >> yes. that's right. trish: there was, there was a reason, shall we say, why they were putting these statues up. guess when they also came about? 85 of thesehundred some odd statues that -- 700 statues that exist in the united states, came into being during the '50s and '60s, during all the civil rights demonstrations. you have to wonder about the timing of this. in other words, why were these statues erected at these particular times in history, harlan? >> right. look, the pr

and took her around the northeast and said come see george washington's nurse maid. and this was a way of sort of connecting to george washington, the father of our country, and people would, you know, physically examine her. i mean, it's very troubling mostly because then she dies, and then he has a medical theater where he dissects her many front of people. yeah. [laughter] it gets pretty intense. but he also then reveals, oh, she wasn't that old. that's also a part of the hoax, you know? the revelation. and that taught him, i think, a lot about this idea of not only what you could say and make it almost pate9 rottic to believe -- patriotic to believe in this hoax, but also that questioning the hoax or wondering about it was also part of the hoax, you know? he was really great at making that part of it. and i think you see that kind of now where the accusations of fake news are just as important as the revelations that they aren't fake, you know? and that kind of circle and circus, as it were, is part of barnum's legacy. >> host: trump signals a far more troubling

now i'm standing between george washington and james madison kaund see george washington is the tallest man in the room at 6'2". he's literally towering over everyone else in his physical presence. he is commanding in every respect. and james madison over who i am absolutely towering is i think he was 5'4" and is the smallest guy in the room, anyone boned, he had epilepsy, he had challenges in health, there's a great new biography by lynne cheney who came to the constitution center recently who talked about how his illness and physical frailty shaped many of his ideas and created this great man, the father of the constitution if there's waya single father who was so devoted to moderation and pragmatism and comp compromise. and really the great genius of the constitution was the balancing and mixing of interests. the challenge for the men in this room was how to balance interests that seemed, at times, irrelevant reconcilable. and the biggest difference was over the power of the large states versus the small states. who should prevail? the small states obviously wanted to make sure that

i'm the vice president for preservation here and we're stand in front of the reconstruction of george washington. most people have no idea that washington not only was first in war but he was also one of the first. and he, as it turns out, he operated a major distillery here and it was a very important part of the plantation economy. and historians had known this for a long time. about ten years ago we decided that we wanted to explore that and came out here with archaeologists, excavated the site and found where the distillery had been located. did five years of excavation and research and decided that we had a wonderful opportunity to bring this back and to show what an 18th century whiskey facility was like and you can't see it anywhere else in the country. >> there's a gristmill here too. >> the reason that the distillery is here because washington had a gristmill located here. it was a major part of the preservation. made lots of money off of it over the years. in 1797 the end of his second term as president, he hired james anderson to be his plantation manager. appare as soon as he was on

george washington was a slave owner. was george washington a slave owner? so will george washington now lose his status? are we going to take down statues to george washington? how about thomas jefferson, what do you think of thomas jefferson, you like him? he was a major slave owner. are we going to take down his statue? >> it's hard to know where to begin on that. jefferson and washington were both slave owners. one wrote the country's founding document, the other led an army to establish it. neither took up arms against it. yet they lived together on the same historical planes. the murder by vehicle of 3 -year-old heather heyer, the president never mentioned her today but he thanked her mother twice for praising him. when asked whether he will be speaking to her or visiting charlottesville, he talked about the winery bearing his name. >> i own a house in charlottesville. does anyone know i own a house in charlottesville. oh, boy. it's in charlottesville, you'll see. it is the winery. [ inaudible question ] charlottesville is a great place that's been ver

george washington was a slave owner. was george washington a slave owner? will george washington now lose his status? hexcuse me. are we going to take down statues to george washington? what about thomas jefferson. you like him? are we going to take count a to you? he cause a major slave owner. are we going to take down his statue. you are change history, you are changing culture, and you had people, i'm not talking about the neo-nazis and the white nationalists because they should be condemned. but you had people in that group other than neonazis and white nationalists. and the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. in the other group also you had some fine people but you also had trouble makers and you see them come with the black outfits and the helmets and baseball bats. you had a lot of bad people in the other group, too. >> you are saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? >> there were people in that rally, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of robert e. lee. i'm sure the following day it look

was george washington a slave owner? so will george washington now lose his status? excuse me, are we going to take down tat yew george washington. >> george washington t and thomas jefferson did not fight for the presidency con ephedras i. other cities and states are close era closer look at theirhr whether to keep them in light of what happened in charlottesville . we heard from maryland governor today. he said he would support the removal of tawn any. he wrote the 1857 dread scott decision that denied citizenship to african-american americans. after the failed effort to repeal and replace the affordable care act, he could certainly speed up the process by cutting off fuppedding for a key set of subsidies. a budget office shows that if that happens obama wear premiums would go up by 20 percent. they go right to the insurers to reduce them for deductibles and co-pays. that's what president said when he was calling them insurance company pay yowts. the trump administration has decidedded month to month whether to continue the payments, the next installment is due to

is it george washington next week and thomas jefferson the week after? ♪ ♪ >> nbc news is reporting that senior white house official says president trump wasn't supposed to answer any questions today. his staff went in through that event with the press with the understanding the president would discuss infrastructure evenly and take no questions. but once in front of the reporters the president quote went rogue, that's the trays the official used, the white house official said members of the team are stunned this evening by the president's actions. but when you see the video it certainly looked like premeditated decision by the president to publicly defend comments he made on saturday that were greeted with sharp criticism from dell kramocrats more importantly from the president from republicans. the president just happened to have a company ecopy of his sat statement in his pocket today. >> so i dent waon't want to go y and just make a statement for the sake of making a political statement. i know the facts -- [ inaudible ] >> i brought it. i brought it

was george washington a slave owner? he was -- >> so will george washington now lose his status? are we going to take down -- excuse me! are we going to take down -- are we going to take down statues to george washington -- >> confederacy -- >> how about thomas jefferson. what do you think of thomas jefferson? >> at the time that he made the comment, the driver of the car had not even been identified -- >> that's exactly right! >> -- nothing had been attributed to him at that point. >> this event just happened. before i make a statement, i need the facts. >> the alt-right propaganda media. >> what about the alt-left that came charging at the -- as you say, the alt-right. do they have any semblance of guilt? >> we don't know if trump was repeating what he heard on fox news or got this all somewhere else. today, sources friendly to steve bannon are quick to credit authorship of this argument to trump himself. bannon praising trump for taking it to the next level by asking, where does it end. axios reports saying that banno

. >> george washington was a slave owner. and so will george washington now lose the status? and we take down -- excuse me, are we going the take down, and are we going to be taking down statues to george washington? how about thomas jefferson and what do you think of thomas jefferson -- you like him? well, good. because he was a major slave owner. >> president trump initially criticized the violence on many sides rare than singling out the white supremist, and many viewed that as inadequate response. and so he took back to the microphone and this afternoon reversing the dours pull the statement from his coat pocket to read it again. and this is a remark from the former ku klux klan from david duke saying thank you for the truth of charlottesville, and the terrorists of black lives matter and fascism. and moments ago, tom wolf said, americans died to defeat hate like this, and they deserve better. in the face of hatred and bigotry and violence, all leaders will condemn all of the american values. the president was also asked today if he plans to visit charlottesville and he r

was george washington a slave owner? so will george washington now lose his status? are we going to take down the statue because slave owner? >> trump said moving that statue should remain a local issue. he said among the protesters on both sides very fine people. pete muntean, wusa9. >> thanks. we searched far and wide for a social media post supporting the president's comments today checking in with his fellow republicans and some of his notable supporters. of this the first one we found, -- this is the first one we found, a thank you from david duke, former head of the ku klux klan. most of them matched the tone of house speaker paul ryan. he tweeted, "we must be clear. white bigotry is repulsive. there can be no moral ambiguity." democratic senator chris murphy had a call to action. his tweet, "after today white house staff have effectively been folded into the white sumpremacy propaganda operation. your choice, stay or go." we want to bring another voice into this conversation, that comes from white sumpremacy and the rise of naziism. he's a survivor of the holo

george washington wanted to be a dispassionate figure separate from the people. andrew jackson created our modern assumption of the president as a charismatic figure that everyone refers to, a heroic president. host: what motivated you to write the book? guest: i've been motivated to write it for a long time because as a historian i written about and watched great leaders fail. time and again, people with so much opportunity and skill. not just at the presidential level. i work with people in the business community and the intellectual community and social communities and to see how difficult it is for the most talented figures to have the effect they want to have, that is the modern problem that we face today. that motivated me to use the presidency is a case study for understanding this challenge of leadership in the modern world. host: we will get your phone calls and him moment and you can send your tweets to http://twitter.com/cspanwj. --m the book "the present the presidency is in constant crisis mode. a president will have to respond to a mass shooting, th

lee are not the same. >> george washington was a slave owner. was george washington a slave owner? will george washington now lose his status? are we going to take down -- excuse me. are regoing to take down -- are we going to take down statues to george washington? how about thomas jefferson? you like him. >> i do love thomas jefferson. >> he was a major slave owner. are we going to take down his statue? you know, it's fine. you're changing history, changing culture. >> mr. president, i would say that you're the one who changed history today when the president of the united states traded away the moral authority of the office and lent support to those who would destroy the values of this country. it's awful. i want to turn to mark preston, senior political analyst, senior white house correspondent jim an cot costa, april ryan, contributor salena zito, columnist for the "new york post" and strat republican strategist rick wilson. jim, i don't know how you do it. i mean -- >> yeah. >> what was that like? this president needs to go back and have an elementary history lesson. >> it wa

. >> george washington was a slave owner. was george washington a slave owner? so will george washington now lose his status? are we going to take down -- excuse me. are we going to take down -- are we going to take down statues to george -- how about thomas jefferson? what do you think of thomas jefferson? you like him? good. are we going to take down the statue because he was a major slave owner. are we going to take down his statue. >> thomas jefferson and george washington were both slavers on. one country's founding document. neither one df what lee did which is take up arms against it. if history doesn't matter, let's try current events. the murder by vehicle of 32-year-old heather heyer. today the president neither mentioned her nor her mother. she did mention miss bro had written words of praise about him. he thanked her twice. when asked whether he will be speaking to her he quickly segued to talk about the winery bearing his name. >> i own a house in charlottesville. does anyone know that? oh, boy. it's going to be -- it's in charlottesville. you'll se

george washington is a bad guy now? we have to rename the capital? then there is the washington redskins. i always thought it was the redskins part that was offensive, not washington. then al sharpton said this about the jefferson memorial. >> when you look at the fact that public monuments are supported by public funds. and i would repeat the public should not be paying to uphold somebody who has had that kind of background. jesse: we finally found something al sharpton doesn't want to pay taxpayer money on. and why would he care where his tax dollars go. doesn't he owe the irs $10 million? and in now speaks up and wants statues removed from statuary hall. i don't remember her wanting the statue removed in the corridor of kkk member robert byrd. with reaction to my word and how we move forward is performing artist joy avila who has a new song "make america great again." and giano caldwell. >> i'm sorry this where we are right now. i hope the president learns a lesson. it's disturbing. are you feeling better after that. >> i listened to your monologu

building behind me, but a lot of other folks reacting as well to what the president said. >> george washington was the founder of the nation. >> the director of the naacp's washington bureau called this moment disturbing. >> i wonder, is a george washington next week and thomas jefferson the week after? tom: he said there is no comparison with the statues of robert e. lee and confederates. >> t the country. most would be considered traitors under today's law. >> this is not leadership. this is not what presidents and governors do in moments of crisis. tom: even many republicans were critical. barbara comstock tweeted, mr. president, there were not very fine people on the video nazi white supremacist side, only haters. we also got reaction on the national mall. >> my hope would be that an elected official representing the country should have planned remarks and speak with some forethought rather than off-the-cuff. >> i think there is blame on both sides. >> i agree there are troublemakers in all areas. they wanted to hear how to move forward from violent protests. >> as our leader, it would be

george washington was a slave owner. was george washington a slave owner? now lose his status? are we going to take down, excuse me, are we going toe take town, are we taking down statues to george washington? how about thomas jefferson? what do you think of thomas jefferson? you like him? >> [inaudible] >> are we taking down statue. he was major slave owner. are we going to take down hisç statue. it is fine. you're changing history. you're changing cult you are. you had people, not talking about the neo-nazis white nationalists because she should be condemned totally but many people in that group other than that neo-nazis an white nationalists, okay? and the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. now, the in the other group also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats. you had a lot, a lot of bad people in the other group. >> you were saying theç press treated wheat nationalists unfairly. >> no. people in the rally, you look night before, t