>> guest: yes, i watched a lot of george zimmerman videos. think the bigger question is how is it possible that a young 17-year-old could be in his own neighborhood and end up dead. george zimmerman wasn't dead, and we don't know what happened that night. but what we do know is that someone lost their life, and so while there is the legal term murder, we can't call him that legally, he did kill somebody. and the fact that there were no consequences for him, i think, is deeply unfortunate not just for trayvon martin's family, but the rest of this country. we should be able to know that if someone kills someone, no matter their race and no matter the person's race who they kill canned, that they can be held accountable just like everybody else is held accountable. >> host: what's the status of the philando castile situation? >> guest: well, there's no indictment for the police officer who killed philando castile. and we've seen this time and time again, no indictment, no indictment. and this is a blow to families, you know? the families who not

committed murder. >> okay. >> yes, i watched a lot of george zimmerman videos. the bigger question is how is it possible that a 17-year-old could be in his own neighborhood and end up dead. george zimmerman wasn't dead. we don't know what happened. but we know someone lost their life. there is the legal term murder, we can call that legally but he did kill someone. the fact that there are no consequences is an unfortunate not just for him but we should note that if someone kills someone no matter their race they could be held accountable just like everyone else. >> was this data's of the flandreau castile situation? >> there are no indictments for the police officer. we seen this no indictment and it's a blow to families. the families that not only lose their loved ones but it's tarnished but think about philander worked at a school and had children who loved and cared for him. it's a blow to the culture you live in feet and see people how to accountable for the harms they commit. >> i wanted to bring up an issue with respect to the drug war and african-american

and george zimmerman who shot trey von martin. there is a disparity from what one person does in another person does and how they are dealt with by the justice department. sophia, do you think it's time for a strong independent third party in america and if so would you please become our president. >> your very kind. i think we are at a place where were at a tipping point i think the american people agree that washington is very open. the swamp doesn't get drained here. and things are more the same than they are not. and it seems like i said earlier. people are getting meaner. whether or not it seems to be an independent party. i know others had done this out there. it's difficult though because the two parties are so entrenched even if you we got an independent elected. that is why there's so there are so few of them. once you get into office. eva caucus with you. i don't think a third party is viable at the moment. but it could become so. and no i so don't want to be president. but thank you for that though. how are you all doin

george zimmerman who shot trayvon martin got no time. wtre is a disparity from one person does and another person does and how they are dealt with. host: democrats line. caller: good morning. sophia, do you think it is time for a strong, independent third-party in america? if so, would you be our president? [laughter] guest: you're very kind. we are at a tipping point. the american people agree that washington is broken. president trump campaigned on draining the swamp. the swamp is not drained. i been here a long time. things are more the same than they are not. it seems like people are getting meaner. whether or not there needs to be an independent party, i know adding mcmullen and others have thrown this out there. it is difficult, because the parties are so entrenched. even if you got an independent elected, talk to members of congress like bernie sanders. there is so few of them. it is difficult to raise money, get support. once you get into office, you have a caucus with the democrats and republicans to get something done. i don't

marking half a decade since the travesty that was the acquittal of george zimmerman. group of african-american women to launch the now global network, sno synonymous with the next generation of black activism and patrisse cullers details the life experience that shaped her activism in the best selling book, when they call you a terrorist, a black lives matter memoir. joining me now is black lives matter co-founder patrisse cullr ers and president of essence publications. and has a new issue and new 100 left coming out. let me go to you first, patrisse, the what started as a hash tag when all of us involved with trayvon were totally devastated with the zimmerman acquittal has become a global slogan and movement. and you've written a book and i'm a voracious reader and i read the book. your life experiences that led to it was compelling. what made you want to tell your story? i mean, even some stuff that a lot of people would not want to say about their upbringing that led you to the point where you became an activist. >> thank you so much for having me on the show. it'

george zimmerman was acquitted in july. michael brown was murdered in august and the murders of alton stirling and philando castile. who knows what the police would have done? he could have gotten a simple warning and they could have taken him into custody and god knows what else. i would subject myself to a black man's harassment of thousand times older over rather than what is face hit the pavement with the police officers fist on his back. that is not justice. that is abetrayal. when i think about how harlem streets are faced with conversation , community, i start to second-guess myself. maybe the only good that charlie was trying to do would be a dmx concert. maybe what you wanted was only money. maybe i misjudged his calling me sweetheart as patronizing when he was just trying to be nice because he did not know my name. maybe i was being conceited. maybe i was crying because i was not used to a city environment. the more excuses i made for him, the less trusting either game of my own body and instincts and that sniper

i covered the case in sanford, florida, the george zimmerman shooting and i remember going over to therict where the black citizens of golds borrow have to defend themselves because the klan came over. >> yes. yes. yes. >> i'm struck by the fact that the nra has never been on it. >> the mulford act. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> orlando castile was a lawful gun owner was shot dead by a police officer while he was in his car doing the right thing, saying he had that gun. the nra was completely silent including your friend collin, he never said anything. so i wonder whether or not challenging them on that -- i mean, that was an opportunity to say to them, wait a minute, where were you for orlando castile and the panthers. >> absolutely. collin is someone -- like i have a lot of black friends that don't agree with me. i have blark friends as far reaching as republicans, black friends at the extreme left marxist. my friends hate that i supported bernie sanders. my friends who are marxist don't think sanders is marxist enough. i encourage more black men to join the atlanta police force.

george zimmerman who shot trayvon martin got no time.is a disparity from one person does and another person does and how they are dealt with. host: democrats line. caller: good morning. sophia, do you think it is time for a strong, independent third-party in america? if so, would you be our president? [laughter] guest: you're very kind. we are at a tipping point. the american people agree that washington is broken. president trump campaigned on draining the swamp. the swamp is not drained. i been here a long time. things are more the same than they are not. it seems like people are getting meaner. whether or not there needs to be an independent party, i know adding mcmullen and others have thrown this out there. it is difficult, because the parties are so entrenched. even if you got an independent elected, talk to members of congress like bernie sanders. there is so few of them. it is difficult to raise money, get support. once you get into office, you have a caucus with the democrats and republicans to get something done. i don't think