nancy grace, i bring you famed defense attorney mark geragos joining us now via skype.lf under oath for this deposition. you basically have been accused or implicated in this heist. what do you make of nancy's comments? >> let me tell you something, anderson. this is not the first time that nancy has made false accusations. and you notice that i'm coming from skype and you don't know from where. i have instituted an investigation. i've got both of my top investigators looking into this, because we're going to show and i will report back with you on

i hope you heard that, geragos and toobin. he called on me. let's get back to what geragos said about the spider-man underwear. her testimony was direct was he wanted her to dress up like a little boy and have anal sex from behind with her to suggest he was a pedophile but what the jury asked actually about those underwear, those spiderman underwear, if you took all those picture of you in these underwear that said travis alexander on back, how come you didn't take pictures of the spidey underwear you talked about? >> some of the details they picked up, she -- one of jurors asked, if you're nearsighted, how do you drive? she didn't wear glasses and she sort of has a long story of how i don't -- i don't -- i don't have trouble driving. but you know, i just thought that was a perceptive picking up of a detail and most of the questions i thought were very hostile to her position, so i don't know how the defense could take much solace in that. >> they don't take much solace. >> you make it sound so good, toobin. hostile to her position. i like tha

nancy grace, i bring you famed defense attorney mark geragos joining us now via skype.nder oath for this deposition. you basically have been accused or implicated in this heist. what do you make of nancy's comments? >> let me tell you something, anderson. this is not the first time that nancy has made false accusations.

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i had a bad boyfriend like that. >> you made that sound so good, geragos. you made that sound like something that you'd actually want to do, lie to a jury to get an expert based on her allegations and there's nothing to prove anything she said. >> remember, all you've got to do -- it isn't lying to a jury. the same thing that prosecutors do all the time when they make allegations. >> mark, mark, that's not right. >> quit talking about prosecutors. you're talking about this case. >> defense lawyers have a legal -- it's more legally permissible to sort of be inventive with the facts. prosecutors can't just decide to make up allegations to get an expert witness in. >> defense lawyers have the duty to zealously defend their client. >> mark geragos, jeff toobin, nancy grace, thank you so much. >>> you can watch continuing coverage of the jodi arias trial tomorrow all day on hln. like today, it should be riveting stuff. >>> coming up a side of the so-called blade runner you've never seen. what drew griffin has uncovered in south africa about him, the man facing t

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now, what about geragos? out of the three of you, i would say that geragos would be the type to actually steal the necklace. >> i knew you were going to accuse geragos. >> although you're pretty daring. i mean, look at his face. >> where does one get a handcuff necklace? >> if that doesn't scream guilt. >> she basically is saying you look like a thief. how do you respond? >> well, you remember that nancy grace, her initials are n.g., not guilty. so understand something. we're going to get to the bottom of this. i'm telling you, by monday, my investigators are combing, combing this area where we are right now and i can't disclose the location. we will have answers by monday. >> now, i got to be honest. if nancy grace was conducting this interview with you, she would have already cut off your mike and reported you to the bar association. i'm going to leave you right now. mark, we'll try to check in with you on monday. if it wasn't mark and it wasn't me, and nancy didn't lose them in the poker game or whatever i

what about geragos? out of the three of you, i would say geragos would be the type to steal the necklace. >> i knew you were going to accuse -- >> daring. i mean, look at his face. >> where does one get a handcuff -- >> if that doesn't scream guilt. >> where do you get a handcuff necklace, a regular jewelry store or an s&m dungeon. >> a what? what is that? what is an s&m dungeon? >> what will you do if you find the perpetrator of this haine ous crime? >> if i find the thief, they will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. and i plan to personally put these on him. >> i got to ask this question. what has more sentimental value, your handcuff necklace or your barrette. >> the barrette is lucy's, my daughter's. i have to go with the barrette. don't ask me anything else about what i wear. next thing i know, i'll turn around and lucy's barrette will be gone, anderson. anderson cooper. >> we're going to stay on it, nancy grace, thank you. good luck to you. >> anderson, thank you, friend. >> thank you

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drew pinsky and mark geragos to look at the surreal murder trial of jeodi arias. also, john mccain tell s me there's plenty of blame to go around for the cuts, and he said some of those cuts could put american lives at risk. >> we begin with a man who watched his brother swallowed up by the earth and the nightmare isn't over yet. the sinkhole that opened up late last night inside this home in a tampa suburb. that's right, a sinkhole inside the home. at much as 30 feet across and it's getting deeper now. the frantic 911 call came in just after 11:00 last night. the anguish and fear is raw and captured on the tape. >> yes, we need an ambulance and he's stuck underneath the house. the house just fell through. >> okay, and what happened to the house? >> the bedroom floor just collapsed, and my brother-in-law is underneath the house. >> just one second. let me connect you with the ems. >> difficult to imagine what they were going through. underneath the house, jeff bush. jeff's brother jeremy, who narrowly escaped the sink hole himself, leapt into the hole, digging at

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i've already told you geragos. too much of a straight guy to wear a pair of handcuff necklaces. he would never think to spiel like you. >> out of the three of you, i would say that geragos would be the type to steal the necklace. although you're pretty daring. i mean, look at his face. >> where does one get a handcuff necklace? >> if that doesn't scream guilt. >> she's basically saying you look like a neef. how do you respond? >> you remember that nancy grace's initials are n-g. not guilty. so understand something. by monday, my investigators are combing this area where we are right now. and i can't disclose the location. and we will have answers by monday. >> now, i've got to be honest. if nancy grace was conducting this interview with you, she had already cut off your mike. i'm going to leave you right now. if it wasn't mark and it wasn't me and nancy didn't lose them in the poker game or whatever it is she does before she goes on air every night, then maybe we need to talk to jeff. >>> by the way, monday night, i will be broadcasting live from nancy's dressing room as david g

. >> joining me is jeffrey toobin and also mark geragos.thor of the book "mistrial: an inside look at how the criminal justice system works and sometimes doesn't." were you surprised that she was on the stand again and will be there tomorrow. on friday, you were saying the defense should get her on there and get her off as quickly as possible. >> you would think so. there may be a method to this madness. the more she is on there the more she resonates. all you need is one juror. i think it is a gender kind of a split. the longer she is up there the more she will turn off most males. i think there are women who can understand or at least appreciate what she is talking about. >> i actually would draw the opposite conclusion. i think it is possible that some women jurors are often very tough on women, particularly in rape cases, in consent issues, i don't think it's necessarily men who will be harder, i think it's women. >> i agree. i think that's why they dressed her down and frumped her up. women are harder on women. there is a developing se

you and mark geragos. you were the last to admire it on air.clearly wanted the necklace, you asked about the necklace, you showed a very unusual interest in my handcuff necklace, or, anderson, was it just me? pow! it doesn't work, anderson. ask your little friend geragos what he did with my necklace. >> nancy, first of all, i like that pulled a larger set of handcuffs from the twins. and -- >> these are real, anderson. >> i'm sure they are. are you -- you -- i don't want to accuse your children. are you sure your twins didn't steal the necklace? >> no, the twins have never seen the necklace. the necklace stays at work in a vault, hermetically sealed. the twins have never seen the necklace. >> have you retraced your steps? >> yes, i retraced my steps, anderson and i put up a flier. there is a reward for the necklace. >> you did accuse me of the theft. >> i didn't accuse. i just made a suggestion. i just threw the bread upon the water to see what would bite. and you are turning red. >> for the record, i did find it stretching. do you have any oth

susan and mark geragos.s to admire it on air. >> i like how she pulled those handcuffs out of her twins. now, ask and you shall receive. nancy grace, joining us now via skype. so, mark, consider yourself under oath for this deposition. you've been accused or implicated in this heist. >> let me tell you something, anderson, this is not the first time that nancy has made false ak ewe saigszs and you notice that i'm coming from skype and you don't know where. i have instituted an investigation. i've got both of my top investigators.

. >> you and mark geragos. you were the last ones to admire it on air.learly wanted the necklace. you asked about the necklace. you showed a very unusual interest in my handcuff necklace. or, anderson, was it just these? it doesn't work, anderson. so ask your little friend geragos what he did with my necklace. >> now, nancy, first of all, i like that you pulled a larger set of handcuffs from the twins, and -- >> these are real, anderson. >> i'm sure they are. are you sure -- i don't want to accuse your children. are you sure the twins didn't steal this necklace? >> no. the twins have never seen the necklace. the necklace stays at work in a vault hermetically sealed. they have never even seen the handcuffs.

susan and mark geragos.e the last ones to admire it on air. >> i like how she pulled those handcuffs out of her twins. now, ask and you shall receive. nancy grace, joining us now via skype. so, mark, consider yourself under oath for this deposition. you've been accused or implicated in this heist.

now, what about geragos? out of the three of you, i would say that he would be the type to actually steal the necklace. >> i knew you were going to accuse him. >> although you're pretty daring. look at his face. if that doesn't scream guilt. >> where do you get a handcuff necklace, at a regular jewelry store or an s & m dungeon? >> what is that? what's an s & m dungeon? >> what will you do if you find the perpetrator of this heinous crime? >> if i find the thief, they will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, and i plan to personally put these on him. >> i got to ask this question. what has more sentimental value, your handcuff necklace or your barrette? >> well, the barrette's lucey's, my daughter. >> oh, that's nice. so the barrette. >> i would have to go with the barrette. hey, hey, hey, don't ask me anything else about what i wear, because next thing i know i'm going to turn around and lucey's barrette's going to be gone, anderson. anderson cooper. >> we're going to stay on it, nancy grace. tha

now, what about geragos? out of the three of you, i would say that he would be the type to actually steal the necklace. >> i knew you were going to accuse him. >> although you're pretty daring. look at his face. if that doesn't scream guilt. >> where do you get a handcuff necklace, at a regular jewelry store or an s & m dungeon? >> what is that? what's an s & m dungeon? >> what will you do if you find the perpetrator of this heinous crime? >> if i find the thief, they will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, and i plan to personally put these on him. >> i got to ask this question. what has more sentimental value, your handcuff necklace or your barrette? >> well, the barrette's lucey's, my daughter. >> oh, that's nice. so the barrette. >> i would have to go with the barrette. hey, hey, hey, don't ask me anything else about what i wear, because next thing i know i'm going to turn around and lucey's barrette's going to be gone, anderson. anderson cooper. >> we're going to stay on it, nancy grace. tha

i've already told you geragos. too much of a straight guy to wear a pair of handcuff necklaces. he would never think to spiel like you. >> out of the three of you, i would say that geragos would be the type to steal the necklace. although you're pretty daring. i mean, look at his face. >> where does one get a handcuff necklace? >> if that doesn't scream guilt. >> she's basically saying you look like a neef. how do you respond? >> you remember that nancy grace's initials are n-g. not guilty. so understand something. by monday, my investigators are combing this area where we are right now. and i can't disclose the location. and we will have answers by monday. >> now, i've got to be honest. if nancy grace was conducting this interview with you, she had already cut off your mike. i'm going to leave you right now. if it wasn't mark and it wasn't me and nancy didn't lose them in the poker game or whatever it is she does before she goes on air every night, then maybe we need to talk to jeff. >>> by the way, monday night, i will be broadcasting live from nancy's dressing room as david g

. >> you and mark geragos. you were the last ones to admire it on air. necklace. you asked about the necklace. you showed a very unusual interest in my handcuff necklace. or, anderson, was it just these? it doesn't work, anderson. so ask your little friend geragos what he did with my necklace. >> now, nancy, first of all, i like that you pulled a larger set of handcuffs from the twins,

. >> our legal panel joins me, senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin and mark geragos.secutor made a lot of the 62 seconds that the crime would have had to have been committed in, saying basically it was impossible. why was that such an important point? >> it's the key to her whole story. she had an idea of how this unfolded. and the photographs are weirdly -- that's one of the weirdest things about this case. they are is time stamped version of how the case unfolded. her version does not seem to make any sense. i thought martinez was so effective today. how she could have done that in 62 seconds. >> mark geragos, what do you think of the memory loss? i want to play some of what he said for viewers that didn't watch it. >> those who suffer from stress producing trauma will not frequently recall what happened for a certain period starting at the beginning of the trauma until sometime thereafter which could be measured in hours or days or weeks. >> mark, what do you think of how he did? >> it's something i see in practice all the time. >> you said this would happen. >> ye

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now, what about geragos? out of the three of you, i would say that he would be the type to actually steal the necklace. >> i knew you were going to accuse him. >> although you're pretty daring. look at his face. if that doesn't scream guilt. >> where do you get a handcuff necklace, at a regular jewelry store or an s & m dungeon? >> what is that? what's an s & m dungeon? >> what will you do if you find the perpetrator of this heinous crime? >> if i find the thief, they will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, and i plan to personally put these on him. >> i got to ask this question. what has more sentimental value, your handcuff necklace or your barrette? >> well, the barrette's lucey's, my daughter. >> oh, that's nice. so the barrette. >> i would have to go with the barrette. hey, hey, hey, don't ask me anything else about what i wear, because next thing i know i'm going to turn around and lucey's barrette's going to be gone, anderson. anderson cooper. >> we're going to stay on it, nancy grace. tha

. >> you and mark geragos. you were the last ones to admire it on air.ace. you showed a very unusual interest in my handcuff necklace. or, anderson, was it just these? it doesn't work, anderson. ask your little friend geragos what he did with my necklace. >> nancy, first of all, i like that you pulled a larger set of handcuffs from the twins, and -- >> these are real, anderson. >> i'm sure they are. are you sure -- i don't want to accuse your children, are you sure the twins didn't steal this necklace. >> no, the twins have never seen the necklace. the necklace stays at work in a vault, hermetically sealed. like they have never even seen the handcuffs. >> have you retraced your steps? >> yes, i retraced my steps, anderson. and i even put up a flyer all around headline news and cnn asking for tips and there is a reward for the necklace. >> on twitter today, you did accuse me of the theft. and while i do find the handcuff necklace -- i

i'll talk to nancy grace and jeffrey toobin and mark geragos about all of that. a lot about politics in d.c. a lot more at the top of the hour. >> that is pretty ridiculous. anything that goes on these days. see you in a few minutes, anderson. >>> and our fifth story, president obama is lazy. these are the explosive comments made by roger ailes. "vanity fair" released an excerpt in which he says ref referring to a comment someone made about ann romney, obama's the one who never worked a day in his life. never earned a penny that wasn't public money. how many fund-raisers does he attend every week? how often does he play basketball and golf. he's lazy. obama said that the barbara walters. all right, he did. i'm going to get to that in a moment, but are those comments rationally charged or just frank talk? michael and van jones, a cnn criminal intenter. racial? >> very. very. first of all, i swrus want to say i worked with this president. i worked for him. i know his work ethic. i know not only the quantity of his work, but the quality. but you don't have to be in

. >> joining me now is senior legal analyst, jeffrey toobin, and mark geragos.ias was on the stand again all day and is going to be on tomorrow? i think on friday you were saying the defense should basically get her on there and get her off as quickly as possible. >> you would think so. but there may be some -- there may be a method to madness. the more she's on there, the more there's a chance she resonates. all you need is one juror. >> right. >> this is going to come down, i think, its's a gender kind of a split. the more she's up there, the more she'll turn off most males. i think this is not going to resonate with most males. but i think there are women who can understand, or at least appreciate what she's talking about. >> see, i actually would draw the opposite conclusion. i do think it's possible some jurors might find sympathy. but women jurors are often very tough on women. particularly in rape cases, in consent issues. so i don't think it's necessarily men that -- >> i agree. >> i think it's women who may be harder. >> i think all of a sudden you show

. >> our legal panel joins us, jeffrey toobin, mark geragos, coauthor of "mistrial, an inside look at criminal justice system works and sometimes doesn't." mark, you heard them talking about the jodi arias they remember and also the travis alexander they knew. and they say she's nothing like the sort of quiet, meek person now on the stand. what do you make of that? is that just part of the makeunder jeff was talking about before? >> that's precisely what it is. it doesn't take -- you don't have to get somebody who knew here to look at the before and after pictures and understand what is going on. there's a crafted effort to put her -- put forward somebody who does not look like the vixen or the manipulative vixen she looks like beforehand. this is now the frumpy librarian. >> jodi arias has made some pretty serious claims against alexander saying he was a pedophile, he was abusive. and all this stuff. the prosecution hasn't put anybody on to be character witnesses for him. is that something -- >> they could in theory, but that seems likely to be a side show that would actually dignify