mark geragos? that the judge agreed with you that there was enough to go to the jury. >> she did. >> the only standard for getting past a motion for acquittal is the defendant breathing. if the defendant's breathing, it goes. i mean, how often have you ever seen a judge grant a motion for acquittal? maybe five times in 30 years i've seen it. so give me a break. that's not happening. as far as the prosecutor asking for a lesser, if you're a prosecutor and you honestly believe that you will have a second degree and you proved it, and you're going to be honest about it, why are you going to ask for a lesser? >> come on, mark, you always ask for a lesser. >> why, why would you ask for a lesser? just because prosecutors always overcharge doesn't mean that that's right or that's just. if you bring a charge, you're supposed to -- isn't the definition or a prosecutor to be that you brought the charge because you thought you could bring it beyond a reasonable doubt. >> that's right. >> you don't believe tha

mark geragos?> i think the judge is going to tell them that they can put use of video in the closing, and i think she's going to allow in some of the material, but not all of the material that came from the various things, the phones and the social media. but i think the jury will see this video in the closing argument. >> sunny hostin, what are you expecting tomorrow? >> i think mark geragos is dreaming. none of it is coming in. there is every indication she had a problem with the authenticity. >> jeff to been? >> she should exclude the video and the text messages. but she's been very receptive to arguments about relevance. she may let in both. >> danny, what do you think? do you think the defense will rest tomorrow? >> i don't think so. with the delay today and just because things never happen on schedule, i doubt it. some of the evidence comes in. and here's a tease. we've got to deal with donally, the sequestered witness who may or may not have been in the courtroom. witnesses aren't supposed t

marcia clark and her latest "killer ambition," on the defense side, mark kneejam and mark geragos and an inside look at how the criminal justice system works and sometimes doesn't. dr. kobilinsky, i want to start with you. the firearms expert toughered that the gun was touching trayvon martin's sweatshirt when george zimmerman fired and that's not what the autopsy found. >> i find it mysteriously. she test fired with the same ammunition. she used the same garments to do her test fire, and she concluded that it was a contact shot. remember that there are two garment, the hoodie sweatshirt and an underlying sweatshirt and then the body. she's looking at gunshot residue, burned and unburned particles, and the tearing and singeing of the fibers around the hall. the conclusion makes sense to me that it was a contact shot. what's mysterious is that the autopsy report indicate not that it was a close shot or contact shot, but rather it was an intermediate distance shot which tellses me it was probably between six and 18 inches. >> who is likely to be more accurate? >> i would tend to think t

she's back with jeffrey toobin, danny cevallos and mark geragos.ny, you've been observing them every day. we've seen them ask for a list of all the evidence. what do you think is going on? how do you see their deliberations going? how methodical during the trial? >> based on their behavior and first question two minutes into the deliberations, they're asking for an inventory list of all of the evidence. this is going to be a jury that is going to methodically look through all of the evidence. i don't know that i've ever seen a jury take notes the way this jury took notes. and it's also clear to me that they've gelled. they have been sequestered together. remember, there was no jury, no courtroom on july 4. they were able to go out together. they eat together. i've recently seen some of them offer mints to each other. one of them put a shawl on the shoulders of another. this is a group of women who are getting together and getting along quite well. and so that kind of situation, i think you do have that collaborative type of deliberations as opposed

sunny hostin, jeffrey toobin, mark geragos. mark, what is the most important thing he has to convey to the jury tomorrow? he's going to be using that animation. >> right. he's going to use the re-creation and the animation, but i don't think you're going to see him yelling at the jury. i don't think you're going to see him getting into or play on emotion. what he's going to try to do is try to emphasize this is what the facts are. this is the law. and in you follow the law and do what you're supposed to do, you will find mr. zimmerman not guilty. and i think he's going to passionately, at least for a large part of this, go through what is it to have reasonable doubt. i think he's going to detail exactly what the facts show and i think he's going to do what i was saying, the definition of reasonable doubt. if there's two reasonable interpretations, one that points towards guilt, the other that points towards innocence, you must find him not guilty. and in this case, i think that's what he's going to do. >> he has one very specif

if people were calling him mcdreamy before mark geragos, they are calling him perfect. the jury was river vetted. they did not take their eyes off of this man and what was so important about it, anderson, is that now i understand why the state was okay with having those nay mire alone in the dark in the rain being followed by a stranger and being afraid. that resignated singl it was so it was >> i got to go to mark geragos because he's grinning like a cat. mark? >> yeah, i predicted it last night. it's just shocking, isn't it, that sunny thought that he was mcbrilliant. didn't you tweet today sunny he had them at hello? wasn't that yours? >> he did, he did, mark. >> you need to damp it down, sunny. you're seeing this, you got a school girl crush on this guy. >> you didn't see an excellent closing -- >> no, i did not. i thought it was trite. >> wow. >> and frankly -- >> wow. >> and frankly, sunny, i guess the only way we will ever know, the only way we'll ever know and i'll stand corrected and worship at your psychic feet of wonder -- >> you should do that now. >> i'll w

on defense side, daenny cevallos and mark geragos. mark, you think today was a big win for the defense? >> well, clearly. i don't think there's anybody who can see it or on the tubally look at what happened today and not understand that this was about as good a day as the defense is going to have. it also was the police's way of paying back the prosecution. you know, he was not arrested. >> do you think that's true? >> i think this was police payback, their way to kind of stick it to the prosecution because if you remember originally, the state's attorney did throw the police under the bus on this case. and so the police i think today paid them back. >> jeff, do you think that's true. >> i do think it's possible. the answers were so enthusiastic little pro-zimmerman. these cops could have answered these questions in a more neutral way but they really did seem to be going out of their way to say zimmerman was a great guy, that he was honest, that they tried all their tricks, that he didn't ask for a lawyer, that he was truthful. i've n

. >> let's bring in sunny hostin, jeffrey toobin, danny cevallos and mark geragos. so mark, let's start with you. what's your assessment of o'mara's closing today? >> i just lost you. >> mark, can you hear me? danny, your assessment? >> sunny has her mcdreamy. to me, o'mara is mcawesome. i thought the prosecutors did a good job. their style was a little more fiery. what i admire is somebody who can -- as an attorney who tries cases, i see someone do that measured calm way of delivering a closing summation after he's lived this case for so long. it's hard to keep emotion out of it. i admire someone who methodically goes through the case and challenges every piece of the prosecution's evidence. i thought it was a terrific closing. >> it was such an extraordinary contrast to the prosecutors, just on volume of voice alone. yesterday, it was so much yelling in that courtroom. today, i don't think o'mara even raised his voice at any point. i think to a fault. i thought he was almost too sedate. but it was a conversational discussion of the evidence. >> which works better?

sunny hostin, denny cevallos, mark geragos and jeffrey toobin. the family will sue for civil damages? >> it's been reported they've already settled with the homeowners association. i don't know if that's true. next time you interview the lawyer, i would ask that and find out. if they've settled with the homeowners association, meaning they got some kind of a check in trade for a release, the only target left, i would imagine, unless they think they've got something against the cops themselves, is zimmerman himself. zimmerman himself, i would imagine all the money he's raised has gone to pay o'mara and west. he probably doesn't have much of anything. so i understand they could get a large verdict if they get the right jury, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to kind of put them through that for a pyrrhic victory just to get a judgment. the bigger question is whether the feds are going to come in and whether the feds would come in and do what they did in the rodney king case out here in l.a. which was after the acquittals. in simi valley, the

and mark geragos. mark, you just heard marks o'mara say the fact that zimmerman's past is likely going to be brought up to open the door for the defense to bring up trayvon martin's past. but trayvon martin isn't on trial, is he? >> he isn't, but you have a self-defense case and the law is that he can bring that stuff up. having said that, i think mark was crossing his fingers behind his back when he was saying a lot of this stuff. i, for the life of me, can't understand why he would prolong this case after the prosecution rests. he has absolutely -- as i said, when this case started, he needs to just hire bodyguards to make sure he doesn't fall and hit his head before the closing argument because this case is over. >> jeff toobin, you don't see this going into next week? >> mark was saying it's over and he's going to be acquitted. i'm saying it's almost over in the sense that it will go to the jury soon. >> you don't believe that the defense will take all next week? >> no, no way, they may call a hand

i want to get reaction from sunny hostin, jeffrey toobin, mark geragos. just mark, your thoughts?ses. i never understand how people, you know, having a son about the same age, i don't understand how anybody ever deals with this. it's just tough to follow and comment on. you just don't, as a parent, to me, it's unimaginable. i'm happy, i guess, if happy is the right word, that they're channeling it into a foundation. that's a great thing. i just don't know how else you cope with things like this. the trial aside, the loss of a kid, of your kid, i just think -- i don't know how a parent ever gets over that. >> sunny? >> i think what is remarkable is that we see what a remarkable family this is. this is a family of grace and dignity and of faith. and that was apparent throughout the trial. it's apparent now. i think what was interesting is that they still believe in the justice system. they say that the justice system may not have worked for them, but they still believe in it. i think that's a message to everyone. but i wonder at this point what does justice look like to them, going

. -- geragos. doctor, the firearms expert testified that the gun was touching trayvon martin's sweatshirt when george zimmerman fired. that's not what the autopsy showed. >> that's right. and i find it a bit miss tiyste. she did all of the right things. she used the same ammunition and the same garments and concluded that it was a contact shot. remember that there are two garments, the hoody sweat shirt and underlying sweatshirt and then the body. she's looking at gunshot residue, burned and unburned particles, and the tearing and singing of the fibers around the hole. the conclusion is clear and makes sense to me, that it was a contact shot. what's mysterious is that the autopsy report indicates it was an intermediate distance shot, which tells me that it was probably between 6 and 18 inches. >> so who is likely to be more accurate? >> i would tend to think that the ballistics expert is more accurate, because that bullet had to penetrate both garments before it hit the body. you wouldn't nemsly se

cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, sunny hostin, also, mark geragos.to talk about the pivotal moment in the trial, this is jeff toobin. >> what i don't think you should do is fill in any gaps at all. connect any dots for him either, any fact, if the decision was made by the state not to present additional evidence to you, do not presume. do not assume. and do not give anybody the benefit of any doubt except for george zimmerman. >> jeff, why do you think that was so critical? >> well, that, and surrounding comments. basically, he was saying the -- the prosecution never told you what happened. and i think that really was the fundamental problem here. there was not a clear picture from the prosecution of who started this altercation. how it unfolded. who was on top. they changed, maybe it is because they just didn't have the evidence. but i thought in that section of the summation, o'mara really laid out for the jury that you just don't know enough here to say that george zimmerman was guilty of any crime. >> deny, i want to play the moment that you thou

at the defense table tonight, danny savalos and mark geragos who is author of "mis-trial," a look at how the justice system works and sometimes doesn't. and tracy martin probably the witness to watch today. how successful was the defense in poking a hole in saying it was his son in the 911 call? >> i think they're going to say he wh he was with the police, he said one thing and in court he said another thing i think they're going to that in closing argument to say that's exactly why trayvon martin's mother said the same thing, that her mind wanted her to. but the witnesses were very, very effective for the defense. i think when you contrast that with what he told the police first, it's going to be a very effective closing argument. >> marcia, it was interesting to watch mark o'mara to slyly make the point that he believed he changed his story about the 911 call, especially after talking to his attorney. is that an effect ive strategy? >> it can be because in this case it's coming from the victim's father. i don't know whether it ultimately will be but to undermine his credibility and

danny savalos and mark geragos. danny, let's start with you this time. that lesser charge that they wanted to suddenly bring in, that the prosecution sprung that don west literally said "oh, my god" about, did that stun you? >> i think it surprised everybody. it's one of those examples that is brilliant tactically by the prosecution, but it could be viewed as kind of dirty pool. here's why. felony murder is like a legal fiction. it's a policy crime, because all of our other forms of murders are on a continuum. they go from i meant to kill him, down to oopsy daisy. felony murder is an accidental killing that occurs during a felony. the problem here is that the prosecution technically they gave them notice under the facts a child was killed. but no one ever talked about felony murder. the felony here would be child abuse. i think that's a stretch. i think everybody was shocked and i had so much sympathy for don west. it's like when you wake up and you have that dream where you woke up late for school and you're missing the test. that has to be how he felt.

danny savalos and mark geragos. also lawrence covalinski. let me start with you. tracy martin, probably the witness to watch today. how successful was the defense at poking a hole in the assertion that he heard his son on the 911 call. >> i think very successful. at first blush you say, why would you ever call him. i think what they're going to argue is, when he was with the police, he told them one thing, when he got into court, he wanted to tell them something else, the mind makes you do things, understandably, when you're talking about your son. and i think they're going to use that to great effect in closing argument to say, that's exactly why trayvon's mother said the same thing, that her mind wanted her to, but in reality, when you take a look at these other witnesses, they were effective for the defense, and i think when you contrast that with what he told the police first, it's going to be a very effective closing argument. >> marcia, it was interesting to watch mark o'mara the defense attorney without ever coming out and saying it, trying to make the poin

sunny hostin and jeffrey toobin, danny savalos and mark geragos. you do not have to eat your hat, mark, because he did not take the stand. i didn't see you putting any money on this, mark. >> i tried to put out there. i said 50-1 odds. i gave 100-1 odds. >> how significant, mark, do you think it was, the prosecution brought out the dummy to exhibit. they essentially seemed to change their story. they seemed to kind of acknowledge, okay, well, they came up with a theory in case the jury did believe trayvon martin was on top. that's not what they argued when they started this trial. >> no, in fact, mcdreamy, the prosecutor as my friend sunny because the jury has heard his side of the story from him, but they haven't had a real cross-examination of him. >> sunny, what stood out to you today in court? watching them work with that dummy, that model, it was interesting and wondering how it played in the courtroom? >> it played well in the courtroom. jurors love demonstrations. they love these courtroom demonstrations and it was powerful, especially with

if people were calling him mcdreamy before mark geragos, they are calling him perfect. the jury was river vetted. they did not take their eyes off of this man and what was so important about it, anderson, is that now i understand why the state was okay with having those six women on the jury, because he specifically just sort of homed in on what every mother's nay mire is, her child walking alone in the dark in the rain being followed by a stranger and being afraid. that resignated with every single mother in the room, and it was so effective. it was excellent. >> i got to go to mark geragos because he's grinning like a cat. mark? >> yeah, i predicted it last night. it's just shocking, isn't it, that sunny thought that he was mcbrilliant. didn't you tweet today sunny he had them at hello? wasn't that yours? >> he did, he did, mark. >> you need to damp it down, sunny. you're seeing this, you got a school girl crush on this guy. >> you didn't see an excellent closing -- >> no, i did not. i thought it was trite. >> wow. >> and frankly -- >> wow. >> and frankly, sunny, i gu

danny savalos and mark geragos. mark, you've been saying for a long time you would eat your had if george zimmerman took the stand. i'm sure you're very pleased you're not going to have to do that. >> the one thing i'm not pleased and, i think i raised the odds from 50 to 100-1 and nobody took me up on it. i could have made enough money to have bought jeff's new paper back which came out yesterday. >> thank you for the plug. >> we have this digital dash board question, deloris asks how much will george zimmerman not taking the stand make on the trial? >> the judge instructs the jury to draw no infrenss that the defendant did not testify, the burden of proof is on the prosecution. but there is sometimes an expectation that a defendant gets on the witness stand and says i didn't do it. i think in this case, since the jury has heard so much from george zimmerman, whether it's these videotaped interviews with fox news and the like, i think his failure to testify really works only to his benefit here, because the jury ha

joining us tonight, mark geragos, barbara arnwein.he's president and executive director of the lawyers committee for civil rights under law. we have martin family attorney ben crump, jeffrey toobin, and with us from florida, state attorney angela corey, who prosecuted george zimmerman. i appreciate all of you being with us. [ applause ] so, ben crump, i want to start off with you. as you heard, i interviewed juror b-37 yesterday and she said that race, in her opinion, was not a factor in this and never came up in the jury deliberation. i want to play for our viewers some of what he said. >> do you feel that george zimmerman racially profiled trayvon martin? do you think race played a role in his decision, his view of trayvon martin as suspicious? >> i don't think he did. i think just circumstances caused george to think that he might be a robber or trying to do something bad in the neighborhood because of all that had gone on previously. there were unbelievable number of robberies in the neighborhood. >> so you don't believe race play

legal analyst and former prosecutor sunny hostin and jeffy toobin, danny savalos and mark geragos. he said he'd eat his hat if zimmerman took the stand. you do not have to eat your hat because he did not take the stand. i didn't see you putting any money on this, mark. are you as sure as you claim to be? >> i tried to put out there. i said 50-1 odds. i gave 100-1 odds. wouldn't take either of them. >> how significant, mark, do you think it was, the prosecution brought out the dummy to exhibit. they essentially seemed to change their story. they seemed to kind of acknowledge, okay, well, they came up with an alternate theory in case that the jury did in fact believe that trayvon martin was the one on top. that's not what they were arguing when they started this trial. >> no, in fact, mcdreamy, the prosecutor as my friend sunny calls him, was the one who argued beforehand that he was on top. now mcdreamy has got trayvon on top, and the problem with this is, when you're talking about two different theories, and if they are both reasonable, they don't have to be equally reasonable, but

joining us tonight, mark geragos. also barbara arnwein.n addition, we have ben crump, senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin, and with us from florida, state attorney angela corey, who prosecuted george zimmerman. i appreciate you all being with us. [ applause ] so ben crump, i want to start off with you. as you heard, i interviewed juror b37 yesterday, and she said that race, in her opinion, was not a factor in this and never came up in the jury deliberation. i want to play some of what she said. >> do you feel that george zimmerman racially profiled trayvon martin? do you think race played a role in his decision, his view of trayvon martin as suspicious? >> i don't think he did. i think just circumstances caused george to think that he might be a robber or trying to do something bad in the neighborhood, because of all that had gone on previously. there were unbelievable a number of robberies in the neighborhood. >> so you don't believe race played a role in this case? >> i don't think it did. i think if there was another person, spanish, wh

sunny hostin, marcia clark, danny savalos and mark geragos.e chances are that the jury will be instructed in an opt for lesser charges? >> i think there's no question the jury will be charged on second murder and manslaughter. that's a lesser included offense. the way i read the statute, it has to be done. and i suspect that the government is going to request it. there's evidence to support manslaughter. this jury will have a choice of what to convict george zimmerman on, if they're going to convict him at all. >> and that's how it goes, it's up to the jury, they can go for second degree murder or manslaughter. >> exactly. it's very, very common. manslaughter is what is called a lesser included offense within second degree murder and it's a very rare case when the manslaughter instruction is not given when you have a murder charge like this and the jury makes the call. >> but you think that in the summation by the prosecution that once they're allowed to give their version of events and tie all the pieces together, you think they may still be

danny savalos and mark geragos are all here. we heard from the medical examiner, saying that zimmerman's wounds were not significant. do you agree? >> i don't. first of all, you can bet on the fact that the defense will have a medical examiner that will contradict everything that we heard today. yes, these wounds appear to be superficial. that does not mean that george zimmerman was not in fear for his life. and further more, although wounds can appear to be superficial, there can be a great deal of serious, underlying trauma. for example, subdural hematoma can result in death. >> so somebody can have their head slammed and have just that little laceration? >> yes. >> zimmerman said several times he was slammed repeatedly. i want to listen to more of what the medical examiner said today. >> doctor, using your definition of slamming, your common understanding of slamming, are the injuries to the back of the defendant's head consistent with repeatedly having been slammed into a concrete surface? >> no. >> why not >> because the in

if not, he walks. >> mark geragos, do you agree with that? >> was that an answer?s think he's going to walk. i'm guessing that. >> not guilty. >> i was trying to be dramatic. >> i said this case was over ten days ago. it's only gotten worse for the prosecution. for sunny's point that the judge let this go to the jury, the standard is the defendant is breathing. >>> that's all for now. we go to erin. >>> saturday firefighters put >>> saturday firefighters put out hot spots in downtown lac-megantic. they are finding bodies, some too badly burned to identify. >> and morsi was removed from power last week. >> and u.s. intelligence leaker, edward snowden, may be headed to caracas. his government received a formal asylum request from snowden today. >> another edition of "ac360" on egypt and the crash. we'll be right back. years ago, my doctor told me to take a centrum silver multivitamin every day. i told him, sure. can't hurt, right? and now today, i see this in the news. once again, centrum silver was chosen by researchers for another landmark study. this time looking

. >> mark geragos, you are in l.a. >> i'm in berkeley today. >> do you think it is a valid point that the tv doesn't show the jurors and we are not in the room and the perception maybe different. >> i think your perception of what the jurors are doing is better if you are looking at the jurors. i absolutely disagree that you can read the jurors with any kind of specificity. i can't tell you how many times i thought somebody was with me that wasn't or against me and wasn't. we joke in the office it is like reading tea leaves to figure out what it means when a juror is writing or not writing or anything else. they can be totally engaged and totally against you. you know, i don't buy in to that. i think it is important to watch the testimony as it comes in, but anybody that claims they can figure out what the jurors are thinking the evidence comes in, they have better psychic powers than i do. >> i think i do, mark. i think i do. >> i have been in the courtroom and what i observed is simply, you have one juror who takes notes for every single thing that comes out. you have one juror who

if not, he walks. >> mark geragos, do you agree with that? >> was that an answer? >> i'm thinking he's think he's going to walk. i'm guessing that. >> not guilty. >> i was trying to be dramatic. >> i said this case was over ten days ago. it's only gotten worse for the prosecution. for sunny's point that the judge let this go to the jury, the standard is the defendant is breathing. >> we have to leave it there. following other stories, we have the 360 bulletin. >>> video surfaced on youtube showing slides on the asiana airlines saturday. investigators are looking at the pilot experience and the slowing air speed as factors in the crash that killed two. >>> at least 13 are dead and others missing when a train exploded saturday when firefighters put out hot spots. they are finding bodies, some too badly burned to identify. >>> security forces -- 51 people were killed, 400 injured. morsi was removed from office and they demanded he be reinstated. edward snowden who has been weighing asylum options may go to venezuela. they received a formal asylum request from snowden

>> yes, mark geragos. >> you call it a cartoon. it's not -- >> it's an avatar cartoon. >> the cartoon makes it a pejorative and you use the language that way. i think it couldn't be better for the defense to put it up there and say this is one reasonable possibility of what happened. by the way, if there's a reasonable possibility that this is the way it happens, you must find the defendant not guilty. >> it's going to be shredded by the prosecution. going to be shredded. >> we've got to leave it there. just for the record, i think it was jeff toobin who first used the term cartoon. we'll pick up the conversation shortly. >>> coming up next, i'll talk to defense attorney mark o'mara, why his client did not testify and why he wants the jury to consider the maximum charge against him. and also you'll hear the martin family attorney, darrell parks and his take on the trial. we'll be right back. ( bell rings ) they remind me so much of my grandkids. wish i saw mine more often, but they live so far away. i've been thinking about moving

also criminal defense attorneys jose baez and mark geragos.do you make of the forensic evidence you heard today? the firearm expert talked about the gun being pressed up against trayvon martin's chest, and yet that is different than what the autopsy report is. >> indeed. it's a contradiction as to the distance the muzzle was from the clothing and the body. but i think if you think about it carefully, the bullet has to penetrate two items of clothing before it hits the body. medical examiners looking at the body looking for stippling, which comes from the burning particles that are on the skin. because there were these two items of clothing in between, you could see differences. you wouldn't necessarily see that stippling. therefore the medical examiner concluded it was not a contact shot, whereas the ballistics expert concluded properly it was a contact shot. >> does it really matter, though, in terms of the end result? >> the bottom line is, it was a struggle. it wasn't a shot from a distance. it's consistent with a struggle. >> mark, the pro

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