it's symbolic of this poor guy, gerald ford. he has the worst luck he is the best of any president we've ever had buddies depicted on tv as a physical bubbler because of a couple slips he made. gerald ford was damned if he did and damned if he didn't. so desperate to be seen as transparent, open, transcending with darkness and close nature of the white house under richard nixon. he accepts the subpoenaed to testify about this pardon. and yet, he looked so squarely looks like one of the bad guys we've seen the summer before the watergate hearings. instead being celebrated for his openness, no one trusts him. everyone assumes because everyone is rotten. the have no faith in their institutions no faith in their leaders this guy was in on the scam. >> host: you said some strong things about gerald ford in there what you think of him? >> guest: i think he was a man doing the bestie could in an almost impossible situation. i think he promised something he could not deliver. he promised and to division. there's national nightmare is ov

i say gerald ford was damned if he did and damned if he didn't. desperate to be seen as transparent, as open, as kind of transcending with darkness and close nature of the white house under richard nixon and he accepts the subpoena to testify about this pardon yet he looks so squarely. he looks like one of the bad guys we've seen in the summer before and the watergate hearings and instead of being celebrated for his openness, no one trusts him. everyone assumes because everyone's rotten, the public has no face in their institution, no faith in their leaders that this genial midwestern guy was enormous? >> he said some strong things about gerald ford, what you think of him? >> i think he was an honorable man doing the best he could an almost impossible situation. i think that he promised something he couldn't deliver. what he promised was an end to the vision. when he came the famous speech the long national nightmare is over and it was just heralded by the pundits as most utopia. almost utopian terms. watergate is over we can turn the corner. face

to talk about the presidency between 1973 and 1976 this was a period when richard nixon resigned gerald ford assumed office and ronald reagan entered the national political stage. >> the big story of the shift of american politics in the spirit of 73 to 1976 turned out to be that in this dark dark period, which is what we started out talking about when people are turning on their tvs watching watergate seeing the politicians they trusted some like mafia dons when we lost our first war in vietnam when we got our first inklings of what they called the energy shortage, which was shocking because people didn't even know energy was something there could be a shortage of. that something very what i found secretary was starting to happen and that people were beginning to think about america and how we could solve the problems.how we could

guest: a long long time ago gerald ford was my congressman. as soon as i sit here and the kind words that you have to say about him. because lots of people really do not appreciate the kinds of things that he did for this country. so thank you for those comments. i'll be looking forward to the book that is coming out about gerald ford and she said could be written. [laughter]. host: is a wonderful historian who was president of the ford library. we'll think he's written a biography. guest: this is the defendant note amazingly profound evening for me, hearing you talk. one of the issues i've had many years, is that kids are not taught civics anymore. i took civics in the eighth grade read been a political junkie all my life. i want to talk to people about things like the constitution, a study law in history and government major. i'm appalled by the total lack of knowledge. the disinterest in the constitution. the kids are taught basic civics and grade school, the chances that they will carry that interest and concern responsibility on entered a

and here is an incredible site of 3 former planes and they are on the plane and jimmy carter and gerald ford, you know, jimmy carter, ford and there was a lot of bad blood between them and they became friends and made them so close that gerald ford asked jimmy carter to give his eulogy and when i asked jimmy carter about it he was emotional because gerald ford is someone who i think about a lot and i treasure our friendship. we would always want to ride together in the car just so we could talk as former presidents, we loved long trips to places because it gave us more time to talk. this is about friendships across party lines. it is not about, you know, the steele dossier and what's going on with michael flynn and the latest, you know, constant chaos or controversy, it's about the past and trying to -- you can't imagine donald trump becoming friendly with any of these former presidents, he's open to friendship with bill clinton. donald trump invited women who would accused bill clinton of rape to debate with hillary clinton. how can you ever move beyond that? you can't. things have gotten s

economy already begun to improve but not soon enough for gerald ford who narrowed a 30-point deficitat happens really in september and october and it is expectations rather than the actual numbers themselves. second, neil, the stock market donald trump wants people to think that the stock market is a good measurement of the economy. and for about 55%, 60% of americans in it, they appreciated. but for those americans who you have been seeing the last couple of nights and for working-class americans, no, they don't have stocks. they have not been a participant in this, and so it is really been five months to go, we really don't know where the economy is going to be. we really don't know the anxiousness that people are going to have, and both, trump should not be spiking the ball and joe biden should not assume that the economy is going to be ruined. both of them could be wrong by election day. >> neil: you know, they are both prone to say things that make you sort of stepped back, frank. today joe biden said, 50% of the people out there are just not very good people. what do you think

gerald ford, i played 50 rounds with ford. i used to play with him at the at&t every year. ford was about a 13 handicap. but he played to a 13 handicap. clinton, i never knew what he might do. clinton, he might play to a 10 or he might play to a 30. but he had a nice golf swing. he enjoyed it. all these guys enjoyed playing golf. i don't think any one of them really were very serious about the game, but they all enjoyed playing. it's good for the game of golf to have a president of the united states, you know? this is my game. david: when you are playing in those kinds of matches, fun with the president, and the ball is 10 feet away from the hole, why do people not say putt it out as opposed to go, you can have it? why is that done so much? jack: i think that is a little bit of politics. david: courtesy, or? jack: i think that is a little bit of politics, too. [laughter] you give me mine and i'll give you yours. that kind of routine, which is not golf. david: you have a grandson who recently, at a masters par 3 tournament, got a hole in one. is that a fairly emotional thing

gerald ford, who was then president, mandated everyone receive that vaccine, and unfortunately, there were some very serious side effects and it really was not helpful, and in fact, was more hurtful than helpful. but vaccine development has come a long way since the 1970s. and it got several candidate vaccines that are actually coming down the track with very different methods of production. and i think every one of them is intriguing. those that are focused just purely on the rna part of the virus, those that are more conventional, like in the old days, you would make a vaccine by using part of the virus to invoke the antibody response, but i also will tell you this. i have never seen, and i was here through ebola, i was here through zika, i have never seen this kind of energy coming through the federal agencies, nih, fda, hhs, to work on this problem, collaborate, private sector and public sector, to get this to the finish line. and here's the other thing. i think there will be more than one vaccine that is ultimately available. and that's not necessarily a bad thing. but i also kno

been fired for using excessive force during protests over the death or he african american man gerald ford police surrounded a car slashed its tires and used a taser on 2 people before driving them to the ground and then handcuffing them. i think is law enforcement if we are ever going to get out of this face that we're in today we have to recognize that our behaviors cannot consistently be pardoned because we are law enforcement. these these are good guys i know them as individuals i've worked with the one for over 20 years. but they made that level of mistake that cannot be rolled back if the u.s. president donald trump was taken to the bunker in the white house says protests rage just outside was drunk has blamed the far left group known as anti for the violence that some protest people in cities across the u.s. have defied curfews to continue protests against police brutality for a 6th night china has reportedly asked its state owned companies to stop buying soybeans and pork from the u.s. it appears to be further retaliation to threats from washington to end preferential treatment for

descendents of presidents from james monroe to gerald r. ford convened in washington for a conference hosted by the white house historical association. next an interview with massee mckinley who descended from grover cleveland and william mckinley. this is 15 minutes. >> massee mckinley, we're talking to you at the white house historical association's presidential site summit in washington, d.c., and you're here because you work with the organization and because you're the descendent of two presidents. tell me your family's story. >> i'm related on my maternal side to grover cleveland the 22 and 24th united states president and on my father's side, the fraternal side, to william mckinley. i'm the great-great nephew of william mckinley and the great-great grandson of grover cleveland. >> how did those two families get together? >> it happened chance. my parents married and the two became one. interesting -- >> were your parents, excuse me, aware of their linage when they married? >> i have no clue. i have no clue. my father was a long-time histor

so, i think that since gerald ford who famously joined, we've seen the presidency earn enormous amount of money. there's been some profiting off of the presidency that i think is really unseemly. and i talk about that in the book. at the same time, they give lots of money to charity and people have done a lot of good with the money as well. but there is something about getting paid $500,000 for an hour-long speech that seems ridiculous. >> host: our guest is kate anderson, the latest book team of five presidents club in the age of trump. also the author of the bestsellers the residence, look at the white house and first women, contributor to "the new york times," "vanity fair," "washington post," bloomberg business week. alex is joining from florida. good morning. >> caller: good morning. in regards to your book cover, i really like that there are five politicians and donald trump is not a politician as we all know. the one thing that you said absolutely right earlier when you were interviewing him and he answered one of your questions straightforward. fat speaks to me and that is the

. >> descendants of president from james maduro to gerald our ford convened in washington for a conference hosted by the white house historical association. next an interview with massie mckinley whose descended this is 15 minutes >> mass mckinley were talking to you that the white house historical associations here in washington d.c. we are here because you work with the organization while so you descend then two presidents. tell me your family story >> well i'm related to over cleveland who's the 22nd and 24 united states president and on my father side on the paternal side of william mckinley in the great britain few william mckinley and the great great grandson over cleveland. >> how did those two families get together? it's half a chance because my parents married and the two became one. interesting lee enough >> we are parents aware of their lineage when they were married? >> had no clue. my father was a longtime history professor at uja. so there over the course of time, at breakfast day when we talked about presidential politics. we talked about presidential descendants we learned

lyndon johnson wrote a letter to the two leaders in the house, speaker mccormick, a democrat, and gerald ford, the house minority leader. and he said at a moment like this, all good men should ask themselves what more can i do to achieve brotherhood and quality among all americans? a few days later, the house passed the senate open housing bill, the civil rights bill of 1968. we talk about bipartisanship in this country and we often misunderstand what that means. it doesn't mean you have an ideological bridge. it's they share basic principles. in 1968, you had a congress and a president who understood there was a deep problem in american society and that the disorder couldn't be solved by cracking down and restoring order. that the disorder was a reflection of a virus, a political virus, racism. that's missing now. and the president yesterday decided that the way to calm the waters was to show dominance ovin lafayette park. it was a stunt that reflects his understanding of our political moment. his understanding that he has a party behind him that does not recognize that there are structural

gerald ford mandated everybody get the vaccine. it was not helpful. it was more hurtful than helpful. comene development has along way since the 1970's. vaccines thatal are coming down the track with very different methods of production. i think everyone of them is intriguing. in the old days you would make a vaccine by using part of the virus for the antibody response. i have never seen -- i was here through ebola, zika, i have never seen this kind of energy coming through the federal agencies. hhs to work on this problem , to collaborate private and public sector to get this to the finish line. here's the other thing, i think there will be more than one vaccine that is ultimately available. that is not necessarily a bad thing. i'm almost old enough to remember the polio vaccine and how it was transformative in this country. about theiried child becoming infected with had this lifted. talk about the bells rang in the churches when that news was brought forth. it will be an event of similar vaccine,nce with this which everyone makes it across the fini

i recall, most famous incident was back in 1976, gerald ford at times was 33 points beyond jimmy carterhe did lose the election, it was very, very close. it tightened down to nothing almost at the end. i'm guessing this election will be very tight. that said, i think the trump campaign should be a little bit disturbed that the polling numbers are going in the opposite direction against him especially amongst key groups, such as suburban women and white voters without a college degree. again we always have to remind ourselves this is not a popular vote. it will be decided by the electoral college in about six or seven battleground states. those states are full of suburban, suburbs and is suburbn women watching the president's performance. i think the trump campaign would like to see those numbers at least stop heading in a downward direction. melissa: okay. so on the screen right now we're looking at numbers among women. you can see 35% they say for president trump. 59% for vice president biden. that is another huge gap of course. how do you think though, the current defund the police an

>> doug: i remember in 1976 gerald ford came back from an bigger margin to give jimmy carter a closei think if you just give the president a couple of points for enthusiasm, a couple of points for republicans and independents coming back, we are then in a 3-4-point race which is about where the hillary race ended up in 2016 polls, so the president can win a popular -- or suffer a popular vote defeat and win the electoral college and the swing states at least in my reckoning appear to be closer than the overall popular vote. paul: it's happened before, thank you, doug sean, appreciate you coming in. >> thank you. paul: when we come back, president trump outline -- outlining disparities and how it will play in the campaign trail. next what getting fueled with one protein feels like. what getting fueled with three energy packed proteins feels like. meat! cheese! and nuts! p3. because 3 is better than 1 yeah. this moving thing never gets any easier. well, xfinity makes moving super easy. i can transfer my internet and tv service in about a minute. wow, that is easy. almost as easy as hav

jerry traversed with the detroit news went on to be the spokesman for gerald ford in the white housei see diane sawyer in this picture. bill buckley is at the back. john chancellor i think, barbib walters, Ãbnot only this picture but other pictures you have, where did you find that picture? did you know any of those names? did you know those folks when he saw them in the picture? >> a new very few of them. i think it's in the national archives in washington because of the record of the nixon trip. i have a list of the journalists but didn't know enough of them. i did recognize diane sawyer and a few others. this is the cromwell diagram of americanÃb imagine they are all there because they tended all to go. max frankel from the times is there. it's interesting in the picture there's all kinds of valuable people mainly technicians, lighting people and camera people in this picture. the whole american press was there. >> i suspect the network for vice presidents because they couldn't get visas to go permission to go they said they would come along as lighting experts. so they got themse

>> doug: i remember in 1976 gerald ford came back from an bigger margin to give jimmy carter a closed i think if you just give the president a couple of points for enthusiasm, a couple of points for republicans and independents coming back, we are then in a 3-4-point race which is about where the hillary race ended up in 2016 polls, so the president can win a popular -- or suffer a popular vote defeat and win the electoral college and the swing states at least in my reckoning appear to be closer than the overall popular vote. paul: it's happened before, thank you, doug sean, appreciate you coming in. >> thank you. paul: when we come back, president trump outline -- massmutual healthbridge is a free life insurance program just for healthcare workers fighting covid-19. learn more at massmutual.com/healthbridge ♪ i come face to face with a lot of behinds. so i know there's a big need for gas-x maximum strength. it works fast. relieving pressure, bloating, and discomfort before you know it. so no one needs to know you've got gas. gas-x and it's bigger than selling cars. we're here to bui

both hillenkoetter and lame were supposedly honored with a gerald ford aircraft carrier size space shift, allegedly launched by the u.s. government in 1988 at the end of the reagan administration. here is the jerry ford, over there is a picture of the jerry ford and that's the size of the u.s.s.s. hillenkoetter. almost as soon as the oss is abolished he began pestering his first director of central intelligence, sydney sauers, with the demand where is my newspaper? almost 20 years later even after a very public denunciation of how the cia had strayed under dci alan dulles truman also wrote below his official portrait at cia headquarters that the cia is a necessity to the president of the united states from one who knows. that's the first presidential portrait in the cia headquarters and that's the inscription. so that's basically the foer i wanted to tell you folks tonight. i left a lot out because i clearly would enjoy it if you read the book, i think you will find it interesting. a lot of the pictures are from the book. i would just leave you with a couple of thoughts, one is harry tru

mattresses over time, the week became a a month, and was officially recognized in 1976 by president gerald forddid anything >> i feel like i should do something to honor black history month, like get a tree >> we got plenty of trees. ♪ >> jimmy: this show is everything that you guys have been doing all into one hour special. this is like the best of, but it's all brand new stuff you guys, congrats on this stuff. this is one of the best things that's coming out. it's out this friday want everyone to check it out. >> thank you >> jimmy: at amc, 10:00 p.m. i'd like to talk to you guys a a little bit more, can you stick around >> sounds good >> absolutely. >> jimmy: thanks guys. ♪ more with bashir and -- i was going to say bashir and diallo they're a comedy team. but i know them. but anyways, bashir salahuddin and diallo riddle when we come back ♪ ♪ ♪ we stick together, ♪ for worse or for better ♪ (yeah) ♪ through any kind of weather, ♪ (yo) ♪ you're my friend in need. ♪ (come on, come on) ♪ we stick together, ♪ ♪ we make the sunshine brighter, ♪ ♪ we make it all feel better, ♪ ♪ you're my, you're

started out pretty conservative and ended up a steadfast liberal, john paul stevens, aboarded by gerald ford who turned out to be an extremely liberal justice, going back even further, dwight eisenhower's appointees of earl warren and william brennan turned out to be very liberal. john f. kennedy's appointment of byron white turn out to be pretty conservative, so, you know, justices to change over time, but certainly in the modern era, in the last 20 years, we have not seen justices change dramatically. now, these are three very big cases. you know, john roberts is going to be chief justice for a long time. i don't know if we can say that this means a sea change for decades he's likely to serve of on the court, but for this year and for very important cases, you know, the future of discrimination against gay people in the workplace, that's a huge issue. the future of 700,000 daca young people is a huge issue, and abortion i hardly say is the most controversial issue before the supreme court. to see john roberts side with the liberals on those three cases can is an extraordinary thing, and it

. >> and even gerald ford lost in his re-election bid as well.issues of racial justice and some of the unrest we've seen in the last couple of weeks, we've had some interesting numbers on that, as well. >> yeah, we're seeing right now a country that is on the move, on these issues. take a look. 84% of americans in this poll say that the peacefl protests are justified. 84%. that is a much bigger number than we saw just four years ago, when we asked this question, when we saw some protests against police brutality. take a look here about donald trump's response to the presidents. two third of the country, john, thinks his response has been harmful. only 26% think that his response has been helpful. >> it is interesting, david, i know you've heard it from me in text messages and our viewers have heard it from watching. it seems to me that the so-called silent majority, if there ever was one, it used to be white suburban voters who felt a certain way, there may be a silent majority now, but they think differently. it's a silent majority who wants to

but gerald ford apparently loved the set and would use it to serve congressional breakfasts. >> so we want to spend a little bit of time talking about the hayes family and their life in the white house, but before we get to the white house life, let's talk a little bit about how they got together in the first place and also that important formative years -- you've mentioned it, allida black, of the civil war. how did the hayeses meet? >> well, the hayeses first met when lucy was only 15 and rutherford was 24. they met at the sulfur springs at the ohio wesleyan university in delaware, ohio. at that point, president hayes'mother knew about lucy and thought that they would be a good match, and rutherford rightly thought that she was a bit too young at that point. so in 1850, when rutherford moved to cincinnati to start his law practice down there, he met lucy again when she was about to graduate from the wesleyan female college, and that's when they struck up their relationship. and about a year-and-a-half later, they were married in cincinnati. >> now, he was 40 years old at the time th

gerald ford didn't get re-elected in a recession.be re-elected i think the next four or five months are going to go up and down and i think it's very difficult to predict >> okay. david reuben stein, always great to see you thanks for joining us this morning. >> thank you my pleasure >> appreciate it you bet. becky? >>> thanks, andrew when we come back, stories making headlines this morning, and then more on yesterday's selloff and this morning's bounce back with mohamed el erian. before we head to break, let's get a check on markets watching this morning and a decline of more than 1800 points the dow is indicated up by 610 points nasdaq up by 171 and s&p 500 up by 67. "squawk box" will be right back. even if their shares cost more. at $5 a slice, you could own ten companies for $50 instead of paying thousands. all commission free online. schwab stock slices: an easy way to start investing or to give the gift of stock ownership. schwab. own your tomorrow. can i find an investment firm with a truly long-term view that's been through m

. >> descendants of president from james maduro to gerald our ford convened in washington for a conferencehosted by the white house historical association. next an interview with massie mckinley whose descended this is