>>gerry ford did. >> there's a lot of justice departments -- >> gerry ford did. >> there are a lot oftice department officials -- >> can he pardon her? >> of course, that's a presidential prerogative. >> april? >> there are a lot of facts that need to be brought to the forefront. that one-liner, when he said, yeah, you should be in jail -- >> you'd be in jail. >> yeah, yeah, "you'd be in jail." everyone, well, pretty much the large portion of his supporters went ballistic in that debate rom. but from that moment on, we knew the fact was, a sitting president is not allowed to tamper in his justice department. it is just unethical and it's not right. number two, that was meant to gin up his base. and i remember driving through this country, seeing signs, hillary for prison. so, where do day go now? where do those people go? and i'm not saying that he should do it. but i'm saying, he has let a good portion of his support down. >> how much -- you know, a lot of people, so many brilliant people who like trump, didn't buy his act literally. they just meant, they wanted his attitude. you don