>> morgan: i think andrew gillum is a talented politician. watched him in florida, state i grew up in. it's not surprising to me about beto getting this energy. as much as i respect biden even though i'm a republican, i just don't see. he seems hesitant. the same thing that happened in '16. he seems hesitant to get in. he's leading in the poll. i don't think he ultimately is going to go for it. this is not based on fact. this is just based on my cable news pontificating. >> jesse: don't put that down. >> morgan: i think president trump never held elected office before coming here, so it will be tough to beat him. i still like, a lot of everybody, not that the democrats care what i think. i still like kamala harris. she is tough to beat. she's a smart woman. she held herself well in the judiciary hearings. if the democrats want a woman, i would put my money on her. >> juan: beto o'rourke got 15%. bernie sanders 13, and your pal kamala harris. >> greg: your best friend. >> juan: elizabeth warren 6. jesse, what do you think? >> jesse: i think be

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tied gillum to the probe. and republicans spent at least $7 million on tv ads that did the same. and then, of course, there was the claim by george's governor-elect, brian kemp, that the state democratic party tried to hack into the state's voter database. that charge came just days before he faced off against democrat stacey abrams. "the atlanta journal-constitution" reports that the claim stemmed from a tip by a georgia voter who found two significant security flaws on the secretary of state's website. that voter then reportedly sent an e-mail to the democratic party in georgia and apparently that was the extent of the democrats' involvement. more than a month later, state democratic officials say they still haven't heard anything from law enforcement about the alleged crime. making wrinkles look so last week. rapid wrinkle repair® pair with new retinol oil for 2x the wrinkle fighting power. neutrogena® >>> president trump spends his sunday on a twitter tear. he attacked law enforcement, called his former fi

and then former congressman met with barack obama and andrew gill gillum, a gillum, and he would join along with others like kamala harris and cory booker have visited a number of key ground states. and joining us from capitol hill is garrett haake. so, this is a pretty important potential move for beto o'rourke if he going to be taking a presidential run seriously. i know that he denied that to you leftways and sideways in the senate campaign, he seems to have changed the tune, but there is murmuring criticism from the women and the minorities in the democratic party who says, hey, we want somebody who is not necessa necessarily a white man. >> right. so there is a lot the unpack here. fir first, the strawle poll, and another big number for bay teto o'rourke who had been a hard no on running a all, and what you are seeing here is an effort to draft him into running. you are seeing some of the excitement that he does generate, but it is worth noting that he and every other candidate were resoundingly beat out by "i don't know yet" or i somebody else." so we are confirming yesterday th

bro beto o'rourke met with obama last mum and andrew gillum, who last the florida senate race as welln, you made the case for beto o'rourke. when you look at the meeting that he had with president obama, that gillum has had what do you make of this? >> obama understands what the strains a campaign has on one's family and lives. i suspect every democrat running for president will make a pill gr -- pilgrimage to see president obama and get a sense whether they're the right person for it. >> do you get a sense that president obama will favor somebody? >> i'd be very surprised if he did. as much as we are talking about this, we know very little in november of 2018 about what voters are going to want in two years from now. i think we need to let it play itself out. being a senate candidate, being a senator, being a governor is really sort of the minor leagues compared to running for president. we got to see what these people can do when they get on stage and are able to make the case for themselves to be the single american best qualified to run the country. >> you heard the criticism of y

i like kamala harris too and i think gillum is talented.th young and attractive candidates. the morning joe ticket, the unity ticket, it's like with people who used to work for john mccain pitched just to get on msnbc. it will never happen. this country is so divided along political extremes, you can't even get anything bipartisan done in congress. how are you going to get a whole political party to come together? the lieberman people, john kasich, flake. >> juan: what about you and me running? >> jesse: juan, sorry to say. going in another direction. >> juan: juliana glover came up with his idea for the unity ticket. >> dana: i think it provides people some fun things to talk about. imagine if that would happen. this isn't fantasy football. it's not going to happen. i agree with everything jesse said. >> jesse: what was that again? >> dana: i agree with everything jesse said and i appreciate everything jesse says always. that's why don't want to just repeat he was saying. i would add that i read biden is going to huddle with his family thi

turks have to present proof of what they're saying and alleging in terms of the involvement of mr gillum in the crew from two thousand sixteen and as soon as this proof is sufficient then they are going through the motions of. approving or assessing this this proof and the evidence and then make a decision if there's grounds for an extradition however again i say there is three entities involved in this is not just the why does it is the department of justice and they're looking at this proof as i mentioned and then there's the state department which also will assess how much diplomatic damage or benefit a extradition of mr golan to turkey would gain for the united states since this is not just about mr gillon but also about the relationship between the united states and turkey when it comes to the u.s. support for example kurdish fighters in northern iraq and in syria as well as turkey's role in syria as well as turkey's purchase of as four hundred missile systems from russia so we could go in the weeds here but it's very complex and the point is the united states will take its good and

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it was done against andrew gillum and others to say now democrats want pure socialism.ble? what do you make of this idea for all? >> no, in fact, the reason -- the fact that they're pushing back against this shows that this has growing public support for it. it's scaring the insurance industry which is largely behind a lot of the propaganda. it's not only viable, it's a matter of when, it's not if. if you look at the current system and project out ten years, this is a system we can't afford and you can save trillions of dollars by moving to a medicare for all types system. >> we'll have more of that discussion because it is bubbling up. it is out there. jonathan cohn, wendel podder, you're the best in the business. >>> the threat of a government shutdown, more "am joy" coming up. (music throughout) discover.o. i like your card, but i'm absolutely not paying an annual fee. discover has no annual fees. really? yeah. we just don't believe in them. oh nice. you would not believe how long i've been rehearsing that. no annual fee on any card. only from discover. so shark inve

o'rourke and gillum generated has led to speculation about their presidential prospects in a year whend could number -- who put 20? a lot more than 20. the "washington post" reports the dnc is finalizing a debate plan to, quote, give lesser-known candidates a chance to share the same stage as the party's front-runners avoiding the two-tier kiddy table approach that divided the republican field in the last presidential election. i hope they don't have debates during nfl big games. let's have when people are watching like weekday nights. what do you make of the fact that -- yamiche, no more kiddy tables, that i'll makes up the big guys with the little people. >> you might have started with me because i'm sometimes at the kiddy table. i think they're trying to learn the lesson that republicans learn. >> you mean you moderate. >> right. the fact that you had 17 republicans and ended up with donald trump. they're trying to figure out if we have to 20-people, we don't want to end up of what their version of donald trump might be. they're dealing with well known senators and political people

going back to andrew gillum and stacey abrams, they may be in the mix, but they're certainly not goingious contenders. if you can't win the election for dog catcher, you're not going to be up to city council. >> donald trump didn't win a single election before he became president. >> that's not even fair. you can't have that conversation about whether or not they were going to win when we know what kind of voter suppression and all of obstacles that were in their way. >> when you have someone like bjorkstra beto o'rourke a run for his money, it's stisignificant. >> but he didn't win. if you're following the conventional rules of politics, you often do not see a candidate, if they haven't won the u.s. senate race, they're not going to advance to the presidential race. >> i've been spending time with two children recently. as many of you know i've been out on maternity leave for six weeks. remember the games you played with the kids? we're going to play a game of mapping. i'm not sure how this will work. here a my first match. joe biden and kamala harris. what do you think? >> i like tha

you're talking about he made a real inroad into voters in texas, stacey in georgia and andrew gillume deep south you cannot in any way act like that's not a major, major factor. >> i literally have 20 seconds, but you don't think there should be a minority running? >> i think i would love to see a minority, but i will take whoever can take the majority and take back this atmosphere that we've been operating on. >> and of course don't miss rev sharpton right here 5:00 p.m. eastern on the weekends. we'll be right back, everybody. george woke up in pain. but he has plans today. hey dad. so he took aleve. if he'd taken tylenol, he'd be stopping for more pills right now. only aleve has the strength to stop tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill. aleve. all day strong. you might or joints.hing for your heart... but do you take something for your brain. with an ingredient originally discovered in jellyfish, prevagen has been shown in clinical trials to improve short-term memory. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. our because of smoking.ital. but we still had to have a cigaret

although it was unclear what was discussed, obama also met with andrew gillum yesterday.ur conversation, jackie, author of the power up newsletter. president obama as the next person to anoint someone or do you think the democratic party is looking to find its own way? >> yeah, well, i also want to point out it's not just dozens. we count up the actual amount of people who have expressed some semblance of interest and he counted 45 different people. but, you know -- >> that's like three debates. you can have like three. they can go for like six hours. oh, god, what a nightmare. >> that's a whole different problem in and of itself, how the dnc is going to democrat tiz the debates. an endorsement by obama is going to be highly coveted. but before we get there, but the democratic party is going to go through a major catharsis to whittle down from this 45 people. obama has met with elizabeth warren, bernie sanders, deval patrick, though he's said he's no longer considering running in 2020. i think it's interesting that beto different utilize obama's endorsement, because he sa

i'm surprised that andrew gillum wasn't on that list. that stacey abrams wasn't on that list. you know, they are two people who i think were able to run on really progressive platforms and yet still get a huge number of people to vote for them. they can articulate the issues well. and they're really good at snapping back at some of the things that republican can throw out, which i think is a problem for democrats. i think most people want the democratic party to have -- hell hello! -- a spine. and i just think that biden is troubleso troublesome. we talked about this during the break, the anita hill aspect and the crime bill. so not that excited about him, to be that honest. >> what's supposed to be happening at this point? we're two years out here, buts there somebody like joe biden who has a ton of international name recognition. there are these others who do not. but already we're seeing trips to iowa. what's supposed to be happening in terms of campaigning or as we have all of these prospective would-be candidates saying they're runn

two sources tell cnn, andrew gillum who ran for florida governor and lost met with obama.o'rourke met with obama last month. is there a market for candidates who ran statewide and lost? can they still then go on and run for president? >> so here's the thing. they are -- when you look at beto o'rourke and you look at andrew gillum and even stacy abrams, they are what you call the rising stars of the party. and even though they lost, they actually helped, because they ran so strong in their states respectively, they helped change the tide in some of these house races. so they were exciting, they were energizing. and so, yeah, i think there is space for them. and i think that we should see folks like that out there. and i agree with paul. voters right -- not voters, but the country -- people out there want to see someone inspiring. the and there's a lot of room, even when you look at polling. even though you see biden leading, that's name i.d. people are waiting, they're looking, they're open to someone who is going to excite them and inspire them. >> and we're going to hear,

andrew gillum on the other side had a very similar strategy and, you know, it's purely hypothetical to know how he would govern. just knowing him a little bit, my guess is he would try to find common ground as well. there were -- i got sounds about that from people that were really close to him that, you know, when -- they thought he was going to win. that's okay. i mean i think it's better to run on what you're going to do rather than running away to win because it's harder to create a mandate unless you say what you're going to do, but i'm competent that governor-elect desantis will do a good job and maybe disprove the idea you have to be far right or far left. >> i'm going to ask the final question. >> okay. >> shrill the dog, a rock star. did you have any idea? >> no, i didn't. >> serious question there is, there was some kind of a special bond between your father and that dog it appeared at the end. >> yeah. sully didn't need a whole lot of love. just liked to be there and hang out. i think people like the name as well. he's a pretty cool dog. the other dogs just as an insight, if

the way that stacey abrams was able to captivate georgia as a black woman, the way andrew gillum wasvate the democratic party with the energy we need, from florida. beto o'rourke raising so much money, that's exciting to me. i do not want to have another conversation or see bernie sanders on the ticket. the same thing with joe biden. i think they're great with what they do. but we need fresh energy and blood and perspective right now and also somebody that is dynamic, that can stand up to trump. >> when you talk about o'rourke and stacey abrams, these are also people who lost in their states. do you think that's in any way an indication of how well they would do in 2020? >> no, because when we talk about how they lost we also need to talk about voter suppression. we need to talk about the ways the gop is able to shrink the electorate so that they win, by cheating. did they really lose or were they squeezed out? when you hide 52,000 ballots in your desk like brian kemp did in georgia, that's not really a fair race. so i think that they won the day in terms of energizing the people. bu

these and andrew gillum.t pin them down ahead of time to predict what they're going to say about any topic. it's an amazing opportunity to hear from them. >> i'm wondering how close they align on certain things that you ask. >> you will see, you will see. >> tomorrow night at 7 p.m. on "the van jones show." coming up, a lesson for donald trump, why collusion is a crime. this is not a bed. it's proven quality sleep. the new sleep number 360 smart bed, from $999... intelligently senses your movement and automatically adjusts on each side to keep you both effortlessly comfortable. and the best gift of all? a silent night. how smart is that? smarter sleep. to help you shed those sugar cookies, get a running start on the holidays, and take it all in with the patience of a saint. and now, 48-month financing on all smart beds, plus free premium delivery and setup. ends monday. >>> welcome back. we have a new statement from republican senator orrin hatch walking back comments he made to cnn initially reacting to the

learned this week that two dems fresh off squeaker losses in the midterms, beto o'rourke and andrew gillumlgrimage. with us is scott jennings. robbie, looks like a crowded field but in terms of this current climate, which is better, to run the campaigns like they're the best to beat all the other democrats, or the best to beat trump? >> well, honestly i think those things go hand in hand. you know, i actually wrote a piece on this on cnn that the most important thing the democratic candidate needs to be able to do is build a real base of fans out there. that happens in cyber space, that happens on the ground through organizing. and i think the same kind of inspirational leadership that can mobilize people and money to build the campaign in the primary is the the same thing that's going to help them push through in the general election. our greatest challenge as a party is trying to drive our own members of the jury amidst trump. he absolutely sucks up all the oxygen. we're going to need someone to break through all this noise to explain to the american people, first of all, why trump has g

andrew gillum, stacey abrams and beto o'rourke, and a couple other categories.mberg and howard schultz. i'm not sure what their case will be, and governors, governor bullock, hickenlooper. i think it's going to be -- the ideal candidate, if joe biden decides not to run, i think is a woman. maybe a woman of color. who can excite the base and who the base believes is someone who can take trump on, you know, head to head, and not shy away or shrink away. >> interesting in this poll, you can look at the positives, but if you also look at the net negatives as indicators here, when you look at it, cory booker, kamala harris, beto o'rourke, they have net positives, folks excited about them to run versus the folks who don't want them to run. you look at elizabeth warren, bernie sanders, and hillary clinton with a high should not run figure there. how important is that? and should that be an indicator to them that this is really just not their year? >> well, listen, i think everybody should make their case. and you know, i think for anyone who runs for a first time, it a

. >> i think the more you hear from the beto o'rourke's and the andrew gillums and the younger set the set becoming the nominee of the democratic party in 2020. and that's -- it's a long way off. but if you're one of these candidates who's in their late 60s or early 70s or their late 70s watching the grass roots energy go on and you're thinking to yourself about how do i talk to these, you know, party bosses in the states versus how do i compete with beto o'rourke's grass roots enthusiasm, this is a tough challenge i think for the older candidates right now to try to take a message of the future to the party. >> jonathan makes a great point. not only is it harder to envision elizabeth warren or bernie sanders getting the nomination, it's also harder for them to make the case they should be the nominee versus one of these young progressive candidates, especially after this democratic wave we saw. >> the "new york times" today points out that superpacs will be a poison pill or weapon for democrats in 2020. somebody you know well, robbie from the clinton campaign said everybody democrat s

andrew gillum did a great job talking to the black colleges throughout the state. 2008 was defined bysion efforts. we have got to look at state legislatures and even municipal legislatures throughout this country moving into january of 2019 and filing the bills which will protect against voter suppression throughout this country. if you're fighting against voter suppression in the last 90, 120 days before the election, then the brian kemps of the world have probably already won and you're fighting a losing battle. it's necessary to be in those courtrooms and fighting during that home stretch but these are policy issues that happen in the off years of like a 2019, like a 230 2017 and those policy issues shape who can come out and vote in 2020. that's what democrats have got to be focused on on a federal and local level in '19. >> a gallop poll found mish shell a -- michelle obama and barack obama to be the most admired man and woman in 2018. >> i can expect in 2019 and 2020, especially if one of her preferred candidates ends up rising to the top of the democratic side, she will be on t

. >> we saw a strong race in florida by andrew gillum. strong race by stacey abrams in georgia, which i thought clearly she won, but because of other circumstances that we're going to keep fighting, it did not end up that way. and we see you elected mayor where the big battle around desegregation was 60 years ago. are we seeing a new south? >> yes, i think we're starting to see a great new south. one thing we recently learned in the deep south right now, you have -- in all of the major cities of the deep south, you have african-american mayors, majority of them under the age of 50 now representing and leading the south. so there is a new south as we chart forward but we're going to focus on jobs growth, focus on uniting our city in the city of little rock, new focus structure on innovation and technology, and that's where we see the south moving forward. >> and we want to see the people living in the south get a new deal, not just some get new positions, and that's the commitment the people like frank scott jr. are making. thank you, inco

if we're going to talk about be beto, we should be talking about andrew gillum and stacy abram at theame time. with have stop pushing these early narratives and the early conversation and taking people off the table before they had a chance to make their case. we have to stand back. be a little patient for a minute and let this process play itself out. i'm not sure we'll have the opportunity to do that. we need to. it will be worth it. >> there's a lot of time to go. it's unclear who will be on the republican side. whether it will be donald trump or a jury charchallenger or two he's still running. he says he's running. thank you so mouuch for being here. >> thank you. >> good look up there in massachusetts. later this week, senator elizabeth warren will give her first tv interview since today's announcement to rachel maddow. >>> 2018 saw trump's white house rolling back policies that protect the environment. could it only get worse in 2019? oh milk. am i willing to pay the price for loving you? you'll make my morning, but ruin my day. complicated relationship with milk? pour on the la

. >> bret: at both o'rourke and andrew gillum, the candidate down in florida met with barack obama inually the path in which someone gets anointed. >> it is like barack obama is donald trump and circa 2,000. it might be this way with barack obama. i will say you mentioned authenticity which i thought was interesting. joe biden, definitely authentic to the point where he can be there. he said it himself. in the way he made a gaffe already this week saying i'm the most qualified person to run for president. last time i checked, that is what hillary clinton said. >> bret: thank you so much. when we come back, a final tribute to the 41st president. ♪ ♪ the greatest wish of all... is one that brings us together. the lincoln wish list event is here. sign and drive off in a new lincoln with $0 down, $0 due at signing, and a complimentary first month's payment. only at your lincoln dealer. and a complimentary first month's payment. your insurance rates skyrocket you could fix it with a pen. how about using that pen to sign up for new insurance instead? for drivers with accident forgiveness, l

already met with democratic up-and-comers like beto o'rourke and tallahassee, florida mayor andrew gillumn outstanding mayor. one of the most inspiring, gifted candidates that are running this year. >> up and comers might just be the democrats' ticket to success in 2020. a new usa toid/suffolk poll says most democrats and independents, 59%, would be excited by someone entirely new. >> so someone entirely new is number one. coming in at number two, joe biden. we'll be back with more "mtp daily" right after this. it's important. >> it's a bit fascinating that so many of his supporters are still backing the idea. he told them mexico would pay for the wall. what the democrats are fighting against actually is trying to keep american taxpayers from it's important. >> it's a bit fascinating that so many of his supporters are still backing the idea. he told them mexico would pay for the wall. what the democrats are fighting against actually is trying to keep american taxpayers from paying for this wall that the president proposed that no democrat supported during the 2016 campaign or the year aft

and andrew gillum, being in a neck and neck race, a dead heat until election day. >> we didn't win thist i want you all to know, that is just it, a transaction. that what we believe in still holds true today. >> i think those are candidates that the democratic party will keep an eye on. i think the difference right now between the democrats and the republicans in congress is that republicans have made their bed and they have to lie in it. >> we need to do a better job of recruiting women candidates and getting them elected. >> all the democrats have to do is what they were sent there to do, be congressmen and women, and they'll set a very stark difference. as we march forward, it's time for number four on the list. parkland. >> it has happened again. another deadly mass shooting at an american high school. this time if florida. >> 17 people are confirmed dead. >> we are watching a nationwide movement on the move right now. >> they say a good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun. we call bs! >> these young adults changed the gun debate in america. >> they did and they are restless a

it's florida as witnessed by andrew gillum. there is a whole fluidity within the democratic party now that was created during this midterms. and if there is one thing i would wish for everyone is that everybody on the democratic side could take the eternal sunshine cure and forget 2016. >> right. >> that is not going to happen. that's tattooed into people's cerebral court cortexes. one thing we saw is new ways of trying to get the math to work out to kerstin cinema in arizona, and you're going to need a candidate and a movement behind that candidate i think in organizing to try to make that be happening in new states. >> i think one point of clarification. talk about primaries, but the south carolina primary. >> right. >> absolutely. when you're talking about, you know, i think expanding the map, expanding the map. when you look at states like georgia and you look at florida, i think georgia is becoming the new north carolina. >> yes. >> built on the back of stacey abrams' transformational campaign, but it's about expanding the

. >> and gillum in florida. people like kamala harris and booker.ation to be emerging -- when it's real dark, you see the lights most clearly. lights are coming out of nowhere. and the coalition of women and people of color fighting for gender equality and racial justice excites me very much. when i look at alabama playing georgia in the big football game, i take a lot from that because i remember when wallace said a black couldn't attend alabama. when maddox said no blacks in georgia. now these kids are learning to play ball together, live together. there's a new south emerging in spite of -- trump can turn back the watch, you cannot turn back time. we are not going back. >> we're not going back. >> we're not going back. like i taught you, keep hope alive -- oh, you taught me that. thank you reverend jesse jackson. up next, my final thoughts. stay with us. (boy) nooooooo... (grandma) nooooooo... (dad) nooooooo... (dog) yessssss.... (vo) quick, the quicker picker upper! bounty picks up messes quicker and is two times more absorbent than the leading

there's that line that andrew gillum used back in the florida race about his then opponent where he saida racist but the racists think you're a racist. what the president has done time and time again, and not just the president but going back to the campaign trail, is employ the language of these far right groups, white nationalist groups, racist groups, receiving the endorsements and the full-throated supports of people like david duke and then pretending to not know who david duke is. what we know is i obviously don't know the president personally and can't speak to whether or not he actually personally believes any of these things, but what i do know is he's played coy and he's played cute with these groups and he certainly hasn't decried their support and pushed it away. in fact, he's done things that many people, many experts think have only emboldened these groups. >> let's talk about incidents. there's a number we can talk about. authorities in pittsburgh investigating anti-semitic pamphlets that were found around pittsburgh, including squirrel hill. that's where the 11 members of

you look at andrew gillum in florida, who fell short at the governor's race and obviously the aforementioned senate race, which is why there seems to be a little bit of skepticism about the name such as joe biden, even though he does seem to be topping a lot of the polls. that does seem to be more name i.d. than anything else. and i think that democrats would probably try to look for that fresher face. >> ron, final word. all on you. >> who knows if radical love is the right message. but it's going -- i sat down the other day and made a list. you could easily get to three dozen democrats who are plausible and likely to run. don't make any predictions. it's going to be a huge, wide open field and it will be filled with surprises. but one piece of advice. if you're someone like beto, the history of people like that is strike while the iron is hot. and that's why even though he lost that senate race, he's got something right now that doesn't stay with him, right? that was elizabeth warren's problem. she probably should have run in 2016. to a certain extent, yesterday's news now. >> we might kee

as you know, i am hopeful that stacy abrams and also andrew gillum, who both ran very hard and toughtremendous job in setting the tone in those two states, are mentioned more often. but it is really about the race he ran in texas, no doubt about it. >> so o'rourke was asked about a 2020 run. take a listen. >> congressman, hate to see you go. but, hey, you're going to run for president, right? [ cheers and applause ] >> no decision on that, no decision. >> right answer. probably going to wind up being yes, because for a lot of these folks, it's good to go wind up being yes. because why not? >> right. >> very glad that you started off the segment by saying this is just a name i.d. poll, because that's basically what this is. i hate being the kill joy. i know it's so fun to talk about the horse race. but i've gos to say, beto o'rourke has had so much attention over the last couple of weeks. i would be surprised if he wasn't. i wonder what an alternate universe would look like where national media organizations would fawn over amy klobuchar for doing so well in rural parts of minnesota.

andrew gillum, al sharpton. everybody is back with me. take on the fact that the times is boosting beto, and they took a real shot at elizabeth warren the other day on the front page. what's up with the democrats? >> well, i can tell you in the case of beto o'rourke, in my opinion, he would be fantastic, not running for president, but being the brand of the dnc, being the new face of the democrat national party, and being one of the number one surrogates to help all everybody running for office. >> surrogate, i love hearing that. that was a slight way of saying you don't want him to run. >> it's also kind of ironic since i'm one of the vice chairs of the dnc. maybe we should focus on that fact before we get going. clearly we're going to have a remarkable bench before what happens in 2020. we have other races in 2019, advocate race here in the city and other races going on. that's another thing we can talk to. i'd rather be in our position than the republican position. >> beto o'rourke. >> he's phenomenal -- anyone should think about runni

it was the andrew gillums of the world in florida and beto again in texas. >> and george, as well. and even though those three candidates didn't win their races, you see how it jazzed the grass roots. and i think democrats would be looking for someone like that. and perhaps that comes in a different generation than warren's generation or the former vice president biden's generation. >> and it's so early, we'll have to wait and see. but bill, we are already getting a glimpse into how the rnc plans to go after elizabeth warren, releasing this statement today. with her lack of support from voters, including in her home state, on top of her phony claim to minority status, now that she is formally running, americans will see her for what she is. another extreme far left obstructionist and a total fraud. is that a good strategy, bill? >> by the rnc. i mean, i guess -- this is trump's rnc so you just insult any candidate who announces he or she is running. who knows what's going to happen. i agree. this does go back and forth. the democrats nominate senior senator

robert mahoney who the deputy executive director of the committee to protect journalists, and jack gillum who is a data focused reporter for propublica and has previously worked at the "washington post" and the associate press and has the rarest of rare unicorns, a political journalist with a serious technologist background of some sort. and so i want to begin by noting that i think partly because of the revelation but because we're seeing a pattern of increased government willingness at least in the united states to target reporters and leak investigations in part because changing technology has made so much easier to exfiltration significant volumes of data, that there is i think a growing awareness of the need for communication security to protect sources. but also a growing awareness of governance willingness to investigate journalist or to make them part of an investigation. earlier this year we know that out of watkinson was a reporter with the "new york times," currently with politico, was targeted as part of a leak investigation into her partner of some years, who was worked on th

stacey abrams, andrew gillum. none of which won. and now on the minds of everyone is beto o'rourke.d be the 2020 nominee? don't know 29% which makes send. but look at beto, 15.6% now edging out joe biden. >> yeah, i think it says a lot. i think it says that to me it says that actually it is wide open. i think that people have not made a decision. they are waiting, watching. for beto, he has proven himself to be this authentic candidate who really raised -- what, $70 million? he was on national news. he talked about race in a dwtha we don't usually see white people talk about. and he visited every county. rural counties, suburban counties, heavy latino, heavy african-american counties. so he is seen as the future of the party. but it is still wide open. people have not made a decision. i just wanted to say on that list that you read on, there are two things that really made a difference for me this year which is the separation of children at the southern border and he with saw some of the lowest approval numbers for donald trump during that time a month after. and the miles per hours

gillum lost. beto lost. abrams got robbed. >> she did. here's the question. still retained the governorship and secretary of state's office meaning they can replicate. >> they won't be able to replicate it. you have so many lawsuits against this guy. you have a bob mueller of cobb county. the state supreme court is going to put a consent degree on them polling places and rules without going to court. democrats have got to figure out how to win the presidency without ohio? >> yeah. z >> texas is -- >> it's going red. next stop has to be north carolina and georgia. everything has put this state on the map. >> i wanted to defend ohio and florida because i don't think those states have turned. i could make a long case but instead i want to underscore something about georgia. what stacy abrams did show is you can take the voter suppression and turn it into voter mobilization. she raised turnout by pointing out to people, somebody is trying to take your right away. there is nothing that makes people want to exercise their rights move that almost worked in the face

the american people wanted change, if you look at our candidates, whether it was stacy abrams or gillum change candidates. they were the ones who really energized democrats and really got a lot of people to vote for them and i think that's what the american people want. we have a lot of candidates who ran in one in conservative districts by saying they would get a change in leadership and vote for a change in leadership and i think we need to respond to what the american people asked for, that's change. >> what happened? no challenger, yourself included have stepped forward and said i'll run against nancy pelosi. and there are two people at least who signed this letter, steve lynch from south boston, brian higgins from new york who said forget it. i signed the letter. what happened? everything you're saying about these folks running on the idea, why is it translated into so little? >> well, over 35 people who voted against her in the caucus vote, and look, i think it's people who are voting their conscience. they are voting their district. they are voting for change and we don't know wh