ginsberg for some months now. but in addition to the information that you can now get about where our parks are, i think we need to take this one step further. we need to allow folks to do the online transactions that allow people to make reservations at the barbecue pit or at that picnic table. these are three of hundreds of ideas that i have heard over the last few years. my guess is you in your heads have the solutions to them today. and mayor lee and i are looking forward with this legislation with all of you to figuring out how to make our city government the best 21st century city government that we have in the entire world. so, thank you for being here, and it is my pleasure to introduce our mayor's budget director kate howard who in addition to helping to balance multi-billion dollar budgets every year, she will tell you about our plans around our chief data officer. thank you so much for being here. (applause) >> good morning, everyone. i'm kate howard. i'm the mayor's budget director. i'm here to just to

host: mark ginsberg from 1994 to 1998 was the u.s.mbassador to morocco also was president carter's middle east adviser. the conversation in washington on capitol hill has talked quite a bit about the future of u.s. aid to egypt. as a matter of fact, today's "washington post," an op ed piece by senator john mccain and senator lindsey graham, they write in the paper this morning, not all coups are created equal but a coup is till a coup. what do you think of the opinions of senators mccain and graham this morning? guest: well, it's actually fascinating gitchen the fact that both senators mccain and graham have been more or less on the other side of the equation when it comes to the middle east. but the fact of the matter is that under u.s. law -- and i used to work on the hill -- the law in effect require it is suspension of aid if there was a military coup. now, you can parcel whatever may have taken place in egypt in many different ways. as you know, and many of our viewers know, the united states has refused to designate what took pl

this month it is rec and park department month around the country and i'd like to invite up phil ginsberg who i hope is here. and if he's not, then we may proceed -- oh, you're going to be representing rec and park today? >> yes. >> excellent. well, colleagues, have a proclamation to proclaim june of this year as rec and park month in san francisco. i think we all know how important and critical parks are to the heart of our city. i certainly know that within my district. i know every one of our colleagues recognizes the sen stratev to the vitality of our city rec and parks have. this month rec and park would like to honor an important set of partners with the activities that they do. in particular, our youth stewardship program which is a program where we have dozens of teachers that work to schedule field trip dates to local parks and to help give back to our community with restorations and [speaker not understood] while taking lessons back into the classroom. and i know our representatives from rec and park also want to acknowledge that as well. so, with that i'd like to acknowledge re

we have strong support from our department leadership including general manager phil ginsberg and capital planning division manager don [speaker not understood] who is here today. we have extensive experience managing community gardens program that includes 35 sites on rec and park primarily on rec and park properties but also on dpw and puc properties. we have close working relationships with other city departments that were strengthened through the strategic planning process, specifically for urban agriculture, but also, of course, on many of the renovation and capital projects that we do in operations we partner with other agencies as well as nonprofits. we have successfully -- we have a successful shift riff of recruiting volunteers and managing them. we have a comprehensive community process for running meetings and workshops. and we also have a partnerships division specifically meant to be the front door to working with folks in a collaborative manner. again, sorry for the poor resolution. this map just shows the red, yellow -- red and yellow dots are our existing community gardens

justice ginsberg is calling it secondary. what congress said is it terms of voterin umbers but in other ways to disenfranchise voters like voting booth from a convenient location for all oters to a place that istorically has been known for discrimination. that's an example taken from one of the section 2 and 5 cases alabama. >> justice sotomayor -- >> i don't know what the is except that this court or some may think it's unimportant. of discrimination is different than what congress found it to be so. a when congress is addressing new evil, it assumes it can find extraordinary premise. >> it said we can't keep one the way states are doing it. > i think we're dealing with two different questions. one is, was that kind of remedy, an unusual never before and never after invoked by the congress, putting higher restraint in the exercise of their core sovereign functions? that justified? they were enback, confronting people in the ountry who will not honor the 15th amendment and who will use -- >> in 1986, in 2006, congress back to

ginsberg can speak to it because the boat house is theirs. >> it is our responsibility to fix and it is that simple and i think that through the important i know that you are in a difficult position because you are not familiar with the day-to-day, and we have a system and we have thousands of them throughout our system and we prioritize them based on the health and safety needs. >> and i am sure that you are. >> but in the end, i respect you very much, but at the end, is it mr. heart is not on top of this... >> and then we... >> and mr. heart, actually filed the claim of the structural maintenance staff. and our structural maintenance staff is responsible for the upkeep. >> why at the moment of the accident but it was to have a regular maintenance. and we don't know that that is not happening with all due respect. >> we were told that it wasn't. >> and he was told by mr. heart and he personally was not familiar with a particular issue. and they should have gotten back to her and so that they could respect to her friend and i could report to my friend who was injured in this accident

(applause) >> phil ginsberg, thank you. and one of our great sponsors from comcast, thank you, hong. our mayor's office of neighborhood services and the public housing tenants association, thank you for being here as well. (applause) >> thank you very much. you know, we have -- this is just a part of the city family and there are many other elected officials and department heads throughout the audience and commissioners who support what you're doing for yourselves and for your family. and let me say i am personally proud of what you're doing, proud enough that i'm going to go to work for you every single day because your success means our success in the city of san francisco. and one of the ways -- (applause) >> absolutely. and one of the ways we're going to help each other is by making sure that this summer ain't gonna be a summer of just hanging around for everybody. it's a summer where we go to work for you, and in return, we create 6,000 jobs for you to go to work and earn your way this summer. how about that? (applause

. >> as i recall when there was a complaint against the park and rec department it was against ginsberg who was ahead and against one of the board members. >> and it seemed to me that here,... >> was it against them, or was it against park and rec and they... >> they were named personally. >> okay. >> as i recall, in the proceedings, they appeared personally, because they were charged. >> and here, i would think that if there is any evidence that miss patterson was instructed to do something by someone at the arts commission, that if she acted in her capacity as whatever her employment was, she acted in it and it is really the... i think that it is not the figment of the arts commission. it is the employee who had the responsibility and who reacted in a certain way. >> i think that i largely agree with that. except that i would be a little bit more general. i think that if you sent, the commission has the freedom in my mind to send a representative to this meeting. and as long as that person has knowledge, and could help us in the process and has the authority to bind the commission and

ginsberg can speak to it because the boat house is theirs. >> it is our responsibility to fix and it is that simple and i think that through the important i know that you are in a difficult position because you are not familiar with the day-to-day, and we have a system and we have thousands of them throughout our system and we prioritize them based on the health and safety needs. >> and i am sure that you are. >> but in the end, i respect you very much, but at the end, is it mr. heart is not on top of this... >> and then we... >> and mr. heart, actually filed the claim of the structural maintenance af

. >> as i recall when there was a complaint against the park and rec department it was against ginsberg who was ahead and against one of the board members. >> and it seemed to me that here,... >> was it against them, or was it against park and rec and they... >> they were named personally. >> okay. >> as i recall, in the proceedings, they appeared personally, because they were charged. >> and here, i would think that if there

we can both agree that justice ginsberg was flat wrong in you have to wait for elections to go by. as your experience in illinois the lawyers get together right after the map is passed and run to court. that is not true. it happen less frequently in rural counties? that may be true but that is the enforce every civil rights law from title seven to title eight. you have a em if meritorious claim all the expenses are paid for by the under the fee shifting provision. we have political parties involved in redistricting. a civil rights group -- we have a lot of awyers -- >> professor levitt, i will close by allowing you a chance to respond. > it is odd to hear mr. carvin which is pure theory. i will say i have also been an i can n practitioner and tell you the facts on the ground look different. of charles town county -- charleston county, a case rolina, whether was brought where they got relief before the election and they will tell you no. brought in 2001. plaintiff asked for preliminary relief. they were denied. elections happened. happened again. it was not until 2004 that the actua

francisco, but we want to also encourage, examples we're going to be announcing yoyo working with phil ginsbergo provide data where are small parks or where the events are happening. what is the cost? how to get there in the hours that they're operating? a smart phone application for all of our events in recreation and park department, that to me is going to be invaluable to visitors and to our neighborhoods. bronwin who is working with us on data information from neighborhoods in our city, growth trends, that kind of data certainly is going to help a department like city planning who is trying to

francisco, but we want to also encourage, examples we're going to be announcing yoyo working with phil ginsberg to provide data where are small parks or where the events are happening. what is the cost? how to get there in the hours that they're operating? a smart phone application for all of our events in recreation and park department, that to me is going to be invaluable to visitors and to our neighborhoods. bronwin who is working with us on data information from neighborhoods in our city, growth trends, that kind of data certainly is going to help a department like city planning who is trying to kind of figure out where the new neighborhoods in our city, what do we do from a planning and zoning effort, prioritizing. is it small businesses now in pier 70 area or do with we go high-rises downtown? what kind of people trends and business trends and constituent trends are happening in our neighborhoods * ? that data is there to be shared with our city planning. so we can plan for the future and make sure when we're not planning to limit the kind of growth that we want to encourage. >>> and then

your argument was considered by justice ginsberg in the shelby county decision and she noted on page 14 congress produced evidence that litigation under section two of the v.r.a. was an inadequate substitute for preclearance. in other words, we addressed that directly when we reauthorized the act. she gave two specific areas. litigation occurs under section two only after the fact when the illegal voting scheme has been put in place and individuals have been elected pursuant to it. thereby gaining the advantages of incumbency. an illegal scheme might be in place several election cycles before section two plaintiffs can gather sufficient evidence to change it. she goes on to say litigation under section two place as heavy financial burden on minority voters. congress already also received evidence that preclearance lessened the litigation burden on covered jurisdictions because preclearance process is far less costly than defending against a section two claim. so your argument that section two is a good alternative seems to have been addressed by justice ginsberg. would you like to re

i'm on ruth bader ginsberg's side when she said it was just buildings in california have a greater needarthquake proof. this had to happen because we need to protect ourselves from what we're seeing. it's not just pennsylvania, but ohio we need to expand. >> the supreme court decision did not need to be reduced. it needed to be expanded. today the hearing started and we'll see if anyone in the senate cares. >> john: i'm waiting for someone to stand up and say it's not a problem for our society. coming up, being on the cover of rolling stones. stick around. converstion started weekdays at 9am eastern. >> i'm a slutty bob hope. >> you are. >> the troops love me. (vo) tv and radio talk show host stephanie miller rounds out current's morning news block. >> you're welcome current tv audience for the visual candy. just be grateful current tv does not come in smellivision. the sweatshirt is nice and all but i could use a golden lasso. (vo) only on current tv. this show is about analyzing criticizing, and holding policy to the fire. are you encouraged by what you heard the president say the oth

then former ambassador to morocco marc ginsberg discusses recent events in egypt and the u.s. response so far. ♪ good morning. it is sunday, july 14th, 2013. you will spend the first 45 minutes or so looking at items thehe majors -- in newsprint late last night in sanford, florida, the jury found george zimmerman not guilty of manslaughter and murder charges in the shooting death of trayvon martin. we will read stories and comments on that. we will spend the first 45 minutes on a question about immigration. we are asking you about economic growth rate how important is immigration reform to economic

justices ginsberg and scalia make their press statements available to the press, but that is something -- if tony read the majority. scalia saying, how dumb you are. that is the tone. >> these are people who live a life in which everybody thinks they are hilarious and wise. >> when justices read their opinions and their dissents, they are not reading the whole thing. they are reading a summary they have written or their clerks have written. it is about as close to spin as the justices can get. they are able to tell the public which parts they think are important and the nuances. there has been some discussion, senator durbin toward the end of the term asked the court to allow the broadcast of opinion announcements. a very unsuccessful campaign has gone on for decades to allow camera coverage of the arguments. he was focusing on the opinion announcements as a foot in the door. that is an interesting idea, and i think it would get rid of some of the objections that justices have about cameras, the dynamics of justices interacting. the problem is the court does not like the idea of opinio

i think justice ginsberg had said that dissenting justices read for the future. and, perhaps, the best example of that was chief justice rehnquist. he was known as the lone ranger in his early years on the court because the wrote descends and often just for himself. but once the court began to shift to the right to he started to see some of what he believed in become majority opinions. so, yes, i will tell you a funny story. years ago i was having a christmas lunch in d.c. and justice scalia was having lunch at a nearby table. we thought, oh, you know, why don't we just send over, you know, -- it was an italian restaurant obviously. why don't we just send over and after dinner drink to him as the spirit of christmas. well, he did not accept it. he came over to explain, and he said he would have accepted it if he was writing a majority opinion, but he had to go back and write a dissent, and he needed a clear mind for that. [laughter] >> what do you think is going to happen when about one dozen people accounted for about 80 percent of the super pac money? forty you

was this not precisely what ruth bader ginsberg feared when he she wrote last month a governing politicaltion has an incentive to prevent changes in the existing balance of voting power? >> that is exactly right. and people should read her opinion. it's very, very powerful and her dissent that have particular decision. you can also measure this by the expedient sit with which certain states move towards these different types of laws that would impede the voting, mostly of minorities. sometimes also of college students and seniors and other pockets or demographics that tend to vote democratic. at the end of the day, the gutting of the voting rights act decision was such a strange piece of information because at the end of the day, it argues that because preclearance was working, that we no longer needed preclearance. >> yes. >> but obviously, if preclearance is working, we still do need it. >> and here are these examples. >> here are the examples. listen, there are other states that we're not talking about like pennsylvania which also has this voter i.d. piece put in place now. so we have

. >> justice ginsberg, let me say that, a lot of that is speculative.there is nothing in the record to support it. we don't know. they have never surveyed the top 10 minority admits. >> the 10% is not imposed by the university, it's not their option to say this is not good for education because people will take easy courses. it's imposed by state law, isn't it? >> correct. >> anybody in the top 10% in any school gets into the university of texas. >> the fifth circuit says you can't disregard its consequences because it's a matter of law, i'm saying they could choose to extend where it is today, it's capped at 75%. it's not the only option. that's not the only alternative and simply one simple alternative is they could look at the yield, what percentage of the admitted minorities are they encouraging -- >> this is what is underlying my thing here, i want to get you directly to answer it. i did look it up. before hawkwood and the 10% plan, it looked like on the african-american side, it averaged 5% per year really pretty steadily. after hawkwood and 10%,

i want to go back to mark ginsberg. we are hearing from some people.e case, ironically, bashar al assad, some would say the dictator of syria issuing a statement today calling earlier calling on morsi to step down to accept the will of the people. comment for us, if you will on that irony. >> irony? i'd call that comical. here's a dictator who has 100,000 syrian deaths on his hands giving lectures to democratically elected officials what to do? if there ever was anyone who deserved to be thrown out of office, it's been assad for several years. the packet is, at the same time, here is a shiite leader in syria who has no particular love affair with a sunni muslim brotherhood leader in egypt hop by the way, opposed president assad remaining in office. so in effect, the irony, joy, that you just laid out here is pathetic. that it is morsi who called for assad to leave months ago being ousted and assad is still in power. >> i want to go to joel rubin on that. we now have seen tunanesia, libya, egypt twice. shouldn't bashar al assad get the message perhaps t

. >> we've talked about what good questions justice kagen asked and justice ginsberg asked. we passed yet another term with no questions from justice thomas. but he did say something one morning and it created quite a irestorm in the press. are you up to date on that? >> i remember, we all kind of -- and the press gallery looked at each other and, did he really say something? it was hard to tell. t was sort of a quip made in passing. but he was -- he leaned toward the microphones, which certainly seemed like he intended it for it to be heard. and this was a case that actually ended up getting dismissed, boyer versus louisiana, about the appointment of counsel in a capital case. there was some discussion about he quality of the counsel, and justice scalia said something like but i see the defendant had a lawyer who graduated from harvard and yale, as if this is great. and anyway, thomas leaned forward and he said, what we now have documentation from the court is that he said, well, there see he did not prostride good counsel. and -- provide good counsel. and in context, this

justice ginsberg herself was making a case, big defender of the row v. pointing out when you have a social movement like that is undecided, that is very contentious issue the court takes it out of the hand of people and nationalizes it all at once. i would add nationalizes it through illegitimate legal process by inventing a right that isn't in the constitution you create a big backlash. you can trace some of the strength and success of today's pro-life movement to that decision because it shocked people and gal vannized the pro-life base. what the same section marriage advocates didn't want a case that would do that for the marriage movement and i think, then the question is, will it? if we, if we treat it as don't worry, this is a very narrow decision, perhaps we'll get all of the downside without any upside of at least galvanizing the base. in terms of the prop 8 decision i think that the biggest legal consequence is the risk that it brings to the initiative process. justice kennedy pointed that out in his dissent. when you have a situation there, tha

the former ambassador to morocco marc ginsberg discusses recent events in egypt and the response from the u.s. so far. all that plus your calls beginning live at 7:00 a.m. eastern here on c-span. >> next, a look behind the scenes of presidential marriages from woodrow wilson to george w. bush followed by president obama at this year's national medal of arts and humanities ceremony. later in memorial service for the firefighters who died fighting a wildfire in prescott arizona. >> on monday night, we are continuing our focus on first ladies. tonight and author speaks of her book "hidden power." she looks behind the scenes of presidential marriages from woodrow wilson to george w. bush. this is just under one hour. [applause] >> thank you. good morning. thank you for that wonderful introduction. you make me feel 100 years old. i am not. when i hear you say all you -- all those things, and makes you feel very privileged -- it makes you feel very privileged. i've have had a relatively short life. i'm happy to be here with you this morning. it is a privilege to be a guest at the miller cen