but he actually said something about white supremacy to rudy giuliani. giuliani's point was, he put more cops on the street, he cleaned up times square, he took the crime off the street and when 90% of the crime plus is black on black, you're reducing the crime against black people. that's his point. >> he also closed my favorite massage parlor in times square. >> what a tragedy. >> is that why you're so cranky. >> i'm not cranky at all. what are you talking about? you make me cranky, it won't take long, but the problem with what giuliani said, white people would not be there if they weren't killing each other. >> professor dyson says when the police are in a city, it's an occupying force, and when you remove that logic, what do you have? a community that is beseejsed by crime. the police are there to protect good from the bad, that is their role, they don't want to be there and cause problems, which is why when giuliani talked about a force that reflects the community, that helps, but the problem in ferguson is that they can't find enough applicants to

we'll ask rudy giuliani and head of the national urban league, marc morial. plus, what role has the media played surrounding ferguson. >> the 24-hour news cycle. >> our sunday panel weighs in on that. all right now on a special "fox news sunday." and hello again from fox news in washington. police officer darren wilson announced late saturday, he has resigned from the ferguson police force. but the decision not to indict him has left ferguson and the nation in turmoil. today we want to examine the fallout from several angles. we'll discuss the facts in the shooting death of michael brown with attorneys from both sudz. what does the case say about racial discrimination in our police forces? we'll ask two leaders about the problem and possible reforms. but first fox news correspondent mike tobin with the latest from ferguson. mike? >> reporter: darren wilson explained in his resignation later that he wanted to continue with police work, but the department was receiving threats if he remained on the force. he didn't want to put citizens or other police officers

take a listen to this exchange between rudy giuliani and michael eric dyson from georgetown. >> i find it very disappointing that you're not discussing the fact that 93% of blacks in america are killed by other blacks. we're talking booth the exception here. >> black people who kill black people go to jail. white policemen do not go to jail. if a jury can indict a ham sandwich -- >> what about the poor black child -- >> i do protest it. they go to jail. why don't you talk about the yay in -- undercut -- >> why don't you cut it down so many white police officers have to be in black areas. they won't be there if they weren't killing each other. >> white supremacy at work. >> all right. >>> shift gears now to the debate over president obama's immigration reform plan. continuing this morning. he talked about the issue on abc's this week. he called on congress to pass a comprehensive immigration bill. >> ultimately congress has a responsibility to deal with these issues. and there are some things that i can't do on my own. what is absolutely true is that we couldn't solve the entire problem

first, former new york city mayor, rudy giuliani. i want to start with the federal investigation of officer wilson and also of the ferguson police department. here's what president obama had to say this week. >> the frustrations that we've seen are not just about a particular incident. they have deep roots in many communities of color who have a sense that our laws are not always being forced uniformly or fairly. >> mayor, do you see any basis for either investigation by attorney general holder and his justice department? >> having read the transcripts now of the grand jury, fbi interviews, i don't see how this case normally would even have been brought to a grand jury. this is the kind of case had it not had the racial overtones and national publicity where a prosecutor would have come to the conclusion that there is not enough evidence to present to the grand jury. there are seven witnesses who support the police officer's testimony. when i was listening, what was left out is a key witness, an african-american witness says that the

martha: rudy giuliani responded to the reaction.what the mayor is saying this morning about this. >> they won't be there if you weren't killing each other. bill: young girl getting a surprise her lifetime for the holidays. [applauding] on the right is nine-year-old and on the right is her father. in a piggly wiggly costume a school assembly. her father just arrived back home from south carolina and have been away in kuwait and had asked his family for seven months. current the on a two leave. martha: former new york mayor rudy giuliani defending his comments on the crisis in ferguson, missouri. awaiting a decision is a white police officer will face charges that she deftly black unarmed teenager, michael brown. here are the controversial comments from the former mayor of new york. >> i find it very disappointing were not discussed the facts 93% of blacks in america are killed by other blacks. we are talking about the exception. >> most people who commit crimes go to jail. they are not swarm of the police department as an agent of th

. >> but the former mayor of new york city, rudy giuliani puts things in starker terms.ed hard to have a police force that reflected the community and that the real problem is not being discussed. >> the fact is, i find it very disappointing that you're not discussing the fact that 93% of blacks in america are killed by other blacks. we're talking about the exception here. we are talking about the significant exception, 93% of blacks are killed by. >> reporter: let me respond to that -- >> i would like to see, i would like to see the attention paid to that that you are paying to this. and the solutions to that. >> giuliani says protesters should be outraged about black on black crime and not just police-involved shootings. it sparked fireworks later on in this that discussion. >> how about you reduce crime. >> this is a debate -- >> wait, let's not make this -- >> if you weren't killing each other. 75% of the time. >> in your minds. >> all right. i'm going stop it there. >> he said the white police officers wouldn't be there if black people weren't killing one another. k

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what do you think about mayor giuliani's points there? >> i think the mayor is absolutely right. the main threat to young african-american men in this country, unfortunately, tragically, is other young african-american men. and we don't see the kind of media focus that we do on that broad phenomenon that we do on these occasional very tragic police shootings, because they can drive a narrative that this is a racist country with still these racially-repressive architecture in place and all the rest of it, and that's just detached from reality and detapped from the lived -- detached from the lived reality in these tough neighborhoods all over america. jon: juan, you have written that very thing, that young black males are more of a danger to each other than white police officers are. >> jon, i don't know how you get away from it, it's so obvious. the lived reality, to quote rich lowry, that's the realize in my neighborhood. i don't know exactly how you would escape this point. now, i do think when mayor giuliani starts saying we wouldn't, white officers, wouldn't be there if you we

rudy giuliani i believe is right about that. however, what you say as a leader matters. >> it matters and i was critical of him yesterday i thought the conversation that he had regarding race and crime on the morning shows came off as racist, even though he had some points about crime statistics,h brown factor, hard to be called a racist when you're brown. you've managed it pretty well, but you know, so rudy may be burdened by that but it's also that stop killing yourselves so much, we won't have to go there, that's what the message was that was coming across. >> that's not right. >> very divisive. leaders are supposed to unite not divide and blacks kill blacks, whites kill whites. that's what happens. 93% of black crime killed by other blacks. 86%. so that's not your problem. your problem is why do you have crime? what are the social factors that go into it, are the social factors more present in lower income populations? are those tendency to be minority? all of the answers are yes. >> it's not that it just happens. these don'

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mayor giuliani may be correct.t doesn't miss the point that he's in many ways missing the point that dyson was trying to make. the decide that we do have tremendous problems with black on black crime. you look at a city like mine, a city like baltimore, where we are just ranked as the fifth most murderous city in america and the vast majority of it is situations where the perpetrator and victim look exactly the same. there is still larger issue of trust and trust between law enforcement and trust between the community that they're sworn to protect this still has to be understood. it's not just about helping the community. it's about helping law enforcement. for law enforcement, if you have a situation where the community that you're trying to serve that there's this underlying level of dissatisfaction or lack of confidence, not only physically dangerous for law enforcement, but in addition to that it keeps them from doing their job correctly because the best intelligence and best support to solve crimes is human in

. >> rudy giuliani says the grand jury's decision not to indict was the only decision they could reach>> giuliani said law enforcement should have spobed more quickly when monday's protests turned violent. >> i think they made a terrible mistake in backing off the. the first person who throws a stone, the first person who breaks a window, the first person who lights a fire should get arrested. there should be a clear delineation. they can be as angry as they want. yell, scream, call names. they have every right to even taunt the plips they don't have the right to throw stones or a right to break windows. they don't have a right to steal bikes or steal liquor. they certainly don't have a right to burn down the stores of their very own people which is a true and absolute tranl di. >> rudy giuliani there. and st. louis county prosecutor has become a lightning rod of sorts ever since his announcement of the grand jury decision. >> this report looks at the man and the controversy he now finds himself in. >> a first year law student would have done a better job of cross examining the killer

mayor, former mayor of new york giuliani made some commentings.'s pop those up on the screen if we can, and we can talk a little bit about this. um, giuliani on sunday said that the energy and money spent in this case of the white police officer who shot michael brown would be better spent addressing this country's problem of black-on-black crime. he addressed it this morning on "fox & friends." watch. >> danger to a black child in america is not a white police officer. that's going to happen less than 1% of the time. the danger to a black child, if it was my child, the danger is another black. 93% of the times they're going to be killed by another black. blacks are basically killing other blacks, and these people are spending millions and millions of dollars demonstrating -- they have every right to do it. why don't they spend an equal amount of time trying to straighten out that horrendous crime problem that exists? >> i'll tell you, there are a number of people in the black community who agree with him. yeah. and i'm curious though, you know, b

and we continue with new york city mayor rudy giuliani. your reaction to how the police seem to be handling this. >> well, first as i said, my thoughts and prayers go out to the family, the wilson family, the terrible loss. a loss of a child, terrible. my thoughts also go to the wilson family. seem to be as conscientious as american citizens usually are, i've been in front of a thousand grand juries, came to the conclusion that he was basically acting in self-defense. so officer wilson almost thought he was going to be killed and now almost thought he was going to go to jail for the rest of his life. and the defense lawyer there said, you know, he shouldn't be entitled to the benefit of the doubt. the worst murderers in our society are entitled to the benefit of the doubt. you are presumed innocent unless somebody can prove your guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. this grand jury decided that there wasn't even probable cause to believe any crime was committed. >> they heard so much testimony. and earlier mr. mccullough went over all of this.

remember rudy giuliani was talking about obama the community organizer. yeah, community organizer. comes to chicago. community organizers are what make politics move. organized around a certain cause. we know in 2009 get the tea party movement which was a tremendous example of community organizing, grassroots organizing efforts, helped along by some wall street lobbyist. regardless there are lots of liberals out there, lots of progressives, lots of articles. i have to go back to will rogers. i belong to no organized party. i'm a democrat, right? was that his line? there's something marvelous about liberals that they love nuance and love to debate and discuss. and conservatives love doctrines. here it is. you are a rhino. colin powell, you are right now. how dare you have moderate views. these are the folks who write about the party of lincoln. to think about lincoln, this guy today would be a radical. a radical republican back then, are actually not as radical as frederick douglass. if that meant shipping black slavery confine, find or anythie just wanted to solve the problem. he w

. >> and rudy giuliani is taking a lot of heat for answering a question about cops go where there's high crime and if you start to impede cop from doing their jobs, biff eric holder came out and said on a federal level we're going to do something to try and restore faith in cops. if they start to do at the doj what i think they're going to do, nen u you're stopping cops from going into those high crime years and actually keeping kids safe. if you don't believe me, look at the "washington post," in victims and offers, blacks are disproportionately offended. when rudy was well on point, and hiss point was, look, michael brown was hurting the quality of life, because he was in the middle of the street, he was impeding the police from doing their jobs, he progressives do not want cops to be able to ask people questions, they would rather have you if you see somebody doing something damps, just go away and keep cops from doing their jobs. >> i think police belong in the community, protecting people of any color that deserve p protection. the high percentage of violent crimes committed by blac

. >> he almost repeated what giuliani said, he said that police in minority neighborhoods, where more minorities are dying, cops are valuable. i agree with bob, i think that was -- here's a bigger problem. the media keeps describing in as an angry reaction, but i watched this all last night on youstream, which is a channel used by the protesters. a lot of the people weren't angry, they were having fun, they were openly talking to police, they were bragging to police, because let's face it, anarchy and chaos is fun. this is where i go back to president obama. he can't reach the rioters. we think that because he's a black leader, that he could calm th them. criminal s don't take advice, they take television, i don't think president obama has any affect on those people jumping up and down. so to me, i think this is this personal. >> right after the decision, k.g., there was a bit of a pause, and they were saying where is the national guard. remember jay nixon saying he was going to bring in the national guard. the national guard today was not present. peter kinder, the lieutenant governo

. >> rudy giuliani pointed out. they had the cooling-off where they allow the protesters to throw a couple of bottles, he said if you allow the cooling-off, things heat up. every time that happened he would stop the first time a bottle was thrown he would arrest somebody. >> this should have been done in the regular course. i never a nose and indictment at 9:00 at night. but you do it in the morning. had it been done in the daytime it would have been easier for police to detect what was going on. >> people forget what new york was like in the '70s. many never ventured out to newark where there were riots. some reporting today on housing prices in ferguson. plenty of african-americans, they are seeing the price of their homes dropped dramatically. who wants to set up a business if the national guard is not going to protect you. who wants to bring the kids home from school if the police not want to protect your children. one of the great things about rudy giuliani is that he understood the nexus between crying and the

rudy giuliani, mayor, what do you think? >> well, he could.the case would be a ridiculous case. >> on what issue, racism? >> i don't know how you can possibly bring an indictment when you have seven witnesses corroborating the police offi r officer. i think the majority being african-american, there's one particular witness, witness number ten, whose testimony i read in detail, an african-american, and if anyone would take the time to read it, you can get it online, he corroborates every single detail of the police officer's testimony and he says he came forward because he was so upset about the lying that was going on about mr. brown putting his hands up. and also the lying about mr. brown being shot in the back. >> turns out a dozen bullets fired, not a single one. >> so if you read this testimony and that is backed up by six other witnesses, this man is clearly innocent. this is not a question of probable cause, reasonable doubt. this man is innocent. >> i remember when you were running this city, city of new york, rachel strife, that was a

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i was just talking to rudy giuliani about it.e all know the flag and it goes up, it's famoly raised, then comes down and this greek couple sts forward and they say that's our flag. they don't want it back. they want to keep it and put it in a museum. but when they unfurl it they say our flag is a three by five flag. the firefighters who raise it say that was a three by five flag. this isn't our flag. rudy giuliani said true story, you got to write, he said that flag that went everywher wasn't the right flag. >> of all the thing right now you are going to reveal tous, parts of our lost history, what is the most curious to you? >> the most curious one is jfk's brain. let me say that again. jfk's brain is missing. we all know his body went after he was assassinated, went to arlington national cemetery. his brain was separated. they never did forensic testing on . god knows what it could show us about trajectory or how many shots were fired. the amazing part is i don't expect anyone to bring back the brain but at oneoint in time, som

joining us now is former mayor of new york city, rudy giuliani. mr. so much for being here. >> good morning. >> do you think officials in ferguson were prepared for what happened last night? >> obviously not. the evidence on your television screen demonstrates they weren't. and i fear they reintroduced a theory that is very, very false. it's cooling off theory. we will two riots in new york city and washington heights and in crown heights, with an excellent report actually written by chris's father's administration. governor cuomo. you don't let them cool off. last night i was listening to you know, they're throwing things, they're throwing things, the cops are backing off, the cops are giving them a little room. you have every right to protest. of you have iry right to scream or yell. the first time you throw something at a police officer, you get handcuffed and taken away. the first window you break, you don't get 125 or 20 minutes of a cooling off period. the report demonstrates that cooling off period leads to worse and worse violence. secondly, t

i mean, there is no doubt, and giuliani was pointing this out.hat most young black men are killed by other young black men. but as long as we're talking about personal responsibility, and insisting that each person, each party take care of what they can adjust, and stop complaining about other things, then we, as whites, it's time for us to not just complain about black irresponsibility, but also point to white irresponsibility. and we have tool boxes that can address some of these issues. i mean, we look at schools and how can we act weessquiesce in m where black kids today go to the worst public schools than white kids. that is profoundly unfair. and i don't think that it's that whites around the country are, that the problem is white racist, but i do think that we blithely accept a system that perpetuates -- >> it's a -- >> -- in many -- >> it's a certain ambivalence, maybe a willful lack of history or knowledge? >> i think it's obliviousness. and i don't think -- i think the basic problem is that it's very easy to just scoot along unaware of

i think he is a slightly less evil version of giuliani. i don't know. what is going to -- i think there might be violent reaction. on the positive side if you could glean something positive, i do see a new political movement happening. i do see what you're talking about the other day. the arians and liberals coming together. because i think this whole democrat republican crap is nonsense. i'm from harlem. my peers are from the dominican republic. -- parents are from the dominican republic. there are dozens of people with different political parties. i may not agree with that you say, so i will start my own party. so that is what is happening. i think we need to stop looking at things in boxes. as americans, we are obsessed with cramming ourselves into these boxes. >> one person slightly agrees with you. [laughter] >> on the positive side, we are seeing all alliances. did you see that senator from kentucky, rand paul? he was saying shit i could rock with. war on drugs. >> what are these organizations asking for? vis-a-vis ferguson. >> stop shooting black

david: jeff, rudy giuliani was on with maria saying ferguson police made a big mistake in not arrestingst protester who turned violent. >> a cooling-off period is a heating up period. you arrest the first person who throws a iraq. you arrest the first person who breaks -- >> no tolerance? >> no tolerance. protest all you want, yell, curse, scream, you take a rock and throw it at the cop. he takes you handcuffs you and takes you away. david: jeff, that was the problem according to rudy, they used the cooling-off period which he says leads to heating up, do you agree? >> the bottom line is that protesters or looters are the people who are going to riot. at some level there is responsibility among the people doing. this at the end of the day, if they're going to do it, they're not a lot the government can do about it. >> that's not true, that's not true. david: rudy giuliani faced a number of situations that could have turned into riots that didn't because they didn't allow the cooling-off period. >> i mean, so whether or not the cooling-off period is right or wrong, it's a bit academic. i

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listen to this exchange between former new york city mayor rudy giuliani and georgetown university professor michael eric dyson. >> i find it very disappointing that you're not discussing the fact that 93% of blacks in america are killed by other blacks. we're talking about the exception here. >> black people who kill black people go to jail. white people who are police men who kill black people do not go to jail. if a jury can indict a -- >> it is hardly insignificant. what about the poor black child killed by another black child? >> those people go to jail. i do protest it. they go to jail. why don'to talk abo you talk aby in which white people -- >> why don't you cut it down so so many white police officers don't have to be in black areas? the police officers wouldn't be there if they weren't killing each other. >> all right. >> the debate over president obama's immigration reform plan continues this morning. the president talked about the issue on abc's "this week." he called on congress to pass a comprehensive immigration bill. >> ultimately congress has a responsibility to deal with th

rudy giuliani may prefer operative football. but if you're ever watching a football game with a pal and you watched a contentious call and you're absolutely sure his feet were in. the other guy is absolutely sure his feet were out. >> right. >> and we don't have instant replay or slow mo to see what happened. without the high angle cameras, we're left with i'm sure of one thing, you're sure with another. >> in this case part of what we have is we have one account -- i've read all of dorian johnson's testimony, all of darren wilson's testimony. the darren wilson testimony is quite compelling and partly because alone i think among people, he's a professional testifier before juries. >> right. >> that's one thing that police have going for them when their account is put up against someone else, right? it's a routine part of a police officer's job. >> and by the way, they're trained in doing so. let's not forget. most police officers are trained on how to testify. a skill that comes in handy when you're testifying in your own behalf

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>> it's been done -- it's been done before, david when julie ya giuliani became mayor in the 1990s. 1.1 million recipients. today it'se 350,000. a lot was were fraud. they cut it. >> i'm sure rick unger was supporting president clinton when he went along with congress and did the welfare reforms. overall question, sabrina, priorities. why is that priority now for illegal immigrants when we've go got to straighten out our system before we let all of these people in legally? >> get our durks in the row before we let more people into the country. i'm not sure we have the luxury to take care of one before the other. it's important washington look at the stakes. look what happened to california. i am a california girl originally. we had an incredible workers' compensation system there rife with fraud. it has drained the state, has been a disaster. and now they are doing the right thing trying to tighten the reins, trying to rein this thing in, but it's unwieldy, very difficult. you're right in many ways, we do need to take care of this before we deal with anything else. >> and i don't want t

became the focus of a heated debate on "meet the press" between former new york city mayor rudy giulianihomas eric dyson. >> 93% of blacks -- >> let me respond to than. >> i'd like to see the attention paid to that that you are paying to this. >> he's taking up time. first of all, most black people who commit crimes against other black people go to jail. they are not sworn as an agent of the state to uphold the law. >> what about a poor black child -- >> i protest it. i'm a minister. they go to jail. talk about the way white policemen undercut the ability of americans to live. >> so many white police officers have to be in the black areas. >> occupying those force. >> how about 70 to 75% of the city -- >> i think this is a debate -- >> you reduced crime. >> this is a debate -- >> mayor, i'll do that. >> let's not make this -- >> police officers won't be there if you weren't killing each other. >> white supremacy at work in your mind. >> on a different note, president obama doesn't expect to get the call to campaign for hillary clinton should she run in 2016. calling our friend, she likel

giuliani is citing facts and figures. blacks are only about 13 percent of the population.ible for an absolute majority of homicides in this country. a very small percentage of the population responsible for an outside amount of crime that is what is driving these tensions in ferguson and tensions between the police and black communities in many places. the black left doesn't want to talk about that. they want to make like police shootings are the norm when they're the exception. stuart: what will we do about this? if you can't speak openly about a failgt problem, what do you do? >> we have to start the right conversations. that means being honest about the numbers. being honest about what's driving racial profiling. what's driving police tensions in these communities. and also, make sure our sympathies are in the right place. because of that black on black crime rate, the, like i say, are in these communities the (?) originate. frankly, i want tensions between police and the bad guys. that makes neighborhoods safer. stuart: you want to move on to robert rice. this is what

rudy giuliani is going to join us today at 7:15. you're not going to want to miss that. >> he's taken a lot of heat on the intent. i'm sure he wants to respond to that. in the meantime heather childers joins us. >> hope you had a great weekend. we begin with this, one person is dead, dozens hurt after a crash so violent a tour bus flipped over on a california freeway. it was traveling from los angeles to washington. officers say driver fatigue may be to blame. earlier in the morning that same bus with the same driver hit a dennis restaurant -- denny's restaurant. people in buffalo, new york are bracing for flooding as they were hit with seven feet of snow. rescue teams and boats standing by. that rain could also add to the weight already on the rooftops and causing more collapses like that one. >>> another deadline fast approaching, and there are signs that the u.s. and iran still do not have a deal. western powers are hoping to make iran reduce its ability to make nuclear weapons in exchange for a pull back on sanctions. however, i

. >> but earlier today, we heard from former new york city mayor rudy giuliani.e was on fox news sunday. here's what he had to say about the relationship with police and the black community. let's roll some of that. >> there is more interaction and more unfair interreaction. but i think just as much if not more responsibility is on the black community to reduce the reason why the police officers are assigned in such large numbers to the black community. it's because blacks commit murder eight times more per capita than any other group in our society. >> what do you say to that? >> well, you know, here's the point i think he misses. and i was on with him for a minute. one, yes, blacks killing blacks comprises about 90% of the murders on that side. whites killing whites comprises 80% of the murders on that side, if you will. and i don't want anyone to think that community leaders, elected officials, ministers of civil rights leaders do not or have a tolerance of crime and violence in the community. no, not at all. but that begs the point. the point is, these incide

now with reaction, former new york city mayor and former republican presidential candidate rudy giuliani. good to see you tonight. >> good to see you, megyn. >> your reaction to what we saw right there? >> very powerful. that would have been testimony in front of a jury that would have been hard to convict this man. but here's the amazing thing. i read some of the testimony today. if you look at witness number ten, not identified by name or by race, but i'm pretty sure an african-american from the discussion. he corroborates every >> but you know how unreliable eyewitness testimony is. i think his belief is according to him is it's just unreliablun >> it's not unreliable. these are people who were friends of his, people who have an ax to grind. it's not unreliable that you think you saw hands go up when in fact his hands were down all the time. >> so will it make any difference? will his on-camera testimonial and the fact that he's backed up not by one but by several african-american witnesses, i want the viewers to know that, because we are told by some that this is all about race. and

they say giuliani cleaned things up, but new yorkers still live with the looming threat of the groundcall it the mean streets. >> mean streets, thomas. celebrity chef gordon ramsay is known to be a nightmare in the kitchen, now is accusing rival chefs of sabotaging his new london restaurants on opening weekend. he blames haters for booking 100 tables left unoccupied on his big night. the chef didn't name the culprit but says he'll now reconfirm every reservation and make sure it's real. >> that's awful! >> that's terrible. >> it is. >> now, let's do a follow-up -- >> shady, super shady. >>ay, the interception that took the internet by storm. you may have seen this video from new orleans, when the saints fan snatched the souvenir football away from a fan of the visiting cincinnati bengals. twitter blew up with negative comments, saying the saints fan wasn't so saintly. now we're hearing from the two people involved. >> i think the pictures make it look ten times worse than it actually was. like, no bruises, didn't even notice me getting, you know, hit in the chin by any means. so, i do