it started out -- first, he tried to reach glen greenwald. t glean e-mails in december of 2012. and they had correspondence but he was trying to get glen to install encryption software so he, really tell him why he was contacting him. until that happened he was just beating around the bushment glen didn't -- didn't install the encryption. then in january, about a month later, i got a first mysterious e-mail saying he was somebody who had information about nsa spying and what he felt were violations of the constitution. and i paid attention quickly because i'd been working on a project about the nsa for, at this point, over a year. so i -- he was saying things that i thought only an insider would know. at this point i actually was using encryption. i was up to speed in terms of how to communicate with him securely so he could talk to me and tell me what was going on before he was ready to reveal his identity. and so we -- we did a dance. i mean, i was -- i had a lot of questions for him because you know, somebody comes forward like that, you wa

. >> i think miss lebenon here is like the glen greenwald of the pageant world. i was minding my own business and israel did it. that is my comment here. >> this is a serious comment. there is nothing one needs to know more than what happened at this pageant to understand the arab-israeli dispute. there is no parallel on earth. tell me if miss ukraine posed with russia would there be a scandal in any country? there is no parallel to the hatred in the world. that just being in a photo with an israeli is a crime. >> yes. >> and thank god for that, joanne. i'm kidding. you were miss new york. doesn't this go against everything pageants stand for? all that stuff is supposed to be outside. >> and we all bond over bikinis and hair extensions and we have a pillow fight. that's how we work out our frustrations. >> ideally in a perfect world it would be summer camp and we would all be friends. you take such pride in representing whether it be your state or in this case your country and you know that you want to make everyone at home proud. but there is also the issue in l

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american companies like snapchat and whatsapp are offering encryption services especially after glen greenwald's reporting how the government is spying on american citizens of the concern terrorists are also using encryptions to hide their planning. cameron is even considering blocking american internet companies that use encryption from doing business in great britain. thus far the obama administration has, remains largely non-committal trying to strike that important balance between security and privacy. here's josh earnest. >> i do remain optimistic that conversations with the british prime minister and in the cybersecurity summit a month later will allow to us make some progress trying to sus out policies that will preparely strike balance between those two values. >> reporter: in a joint op ed the two leaders published in "the times of london" earlier this week the two struck a balance towards the security side of things. here is a bit what they wrote in the op ed quote, security and prosperity go hand in hand. by confronting terrorists threaten us, standing together against russia peace ag

i think sullivan has done a very good job of protecting the jim risens and glen greenwalds of the world for being sued for libel. what has changed, however, is that they are more at risk for being hauled off to jail for attempting to protect the confidentiality of their sources or for reporting what the government deems to be classified information and, therefore, puts them in line for violating something like the espionage act that prohibits publishing classified information that might do harm to national security. and we have gone through a period in the last few years where the government has first, for the first time ever gone on record in an affidavit filed in a federal court in the district of columbia, saying that journalist could be prosecuted under the espionage act for publishing classified information it received from a source but at the same time we have since had the attorney general of the united states state publicly that will never happen so long as he is attorney general. as you know he mitted his resignation and won't be around so long so we don't know how good that's