me, glen martin with great pointer and it goes back to my original question here, is that this is just ideologically driven, it's. it's not rationally, but it's not, it's not ok. this is not assessing your assets and your strength in your ability to get what you want to me if they've made these roasted glasses is itself limiting and it's actually so humiliating. go ahead. 30 seconds. are we going to break? i am good example. this is exactly the chinese because our hours with china could easily be resolved on this coast back to the one china policy like china has been very open if you will not intervene in taiwan unless you have steps over the line recognizes independence or want us to use been good, gradually abandoning the one china policy, which sparks tiny since ranch. and based on this, we're now making china enemy because is predictably responding to a publication as we had already expected. so it is no different than nato expansion propagation. and then you can reaction, gentlemen, we're going to go to what your break and after that your break, we'll continue, our discussion will

ready well, with this new world order, it's interesting what martin just said there and glen, because if we frame it in ideological terms, well, a lot of what the western liberalism and that's going to spread means today. well, 1st of all, very daily into most of the world this woke isn't stuff and all of that make most of the world scott, that is being just ridiculous. i mean, are you build a coherent, prosperous society based on these ideas that the west is very forcefully exports right now. and i guess a result of what we've seen the global south, not condemning russia or it's military operation. ukraine. i think you can draw 2 conclusions. one, they don't take the west very seriously any more. and number 2 and very importantly, they're not a rate of it any more thoughts? no, i agree, no other way. and another thing i think when the rest keeps talking about, this is an attack on the rules based order. this becomes a role. this becomes a way of expressing, again, ideology as power. so they're saying, you know, we without western hedge money, you can't have the survival of example, l

the glen martin, the great pointer and it goes back to my original question. here is it? this is just ideologically driven. it's not rationally, but it's, it's not, this is not assessing your assets and your strength and your ability to get what you want to mean. if they're, these roasted glasses is itself limiting and they'll actually so humiliate, go ahead. good, 30 seconds. are we going to break? i think good example of this is exactly the chinese because the china could easily be a result of this cause back to this one. china policy, like china, been very open, it will not intervene in taiwan unless the us that's over their mind the recognize this independence want to do it gradually abandoning the one china policy which a ranch. and based on this, we're now making china enemy, because it's predictably responding to a publication as we had already expected. so it is no different than nato expansion propagation. and then you get a reaction general that we're going to go to with your break. and after that, we'll continue our discussion will stay, ah, for look forward to

glen martin then brings up a great pointer and it goes back to my original question. here is that this is just ideologically driven, it's, it's not rationally, but it's not, it's not ok. this is not assessing your assets and your strength in your ability to get what you want to me. and then these rose tinted glasses is itself limiting and it's actually so humiliating. go ahead like 30 seconds. are we going to break? i am good example. this is exactly the chinese issue because our hours with china could easily be resolved along this coast back to the one china policy like china has been very open if you will not intervene in pie one unless you have steps over the line. recognizing the end of the want us to use been good, gradually abandoning that one china policy, which on this intervention. and based on this, we're now making china and to me because is particularly responding to a publication as we have already expected. so it is no different than nato expansion propagation. and then you can reaction that we're going to get to what you're breaking up for that short br

glen these in oslo. he's a professor at the university of southeastern norway as well as author of the book, phobia propaganda in international politics. and in america we crossed martin jay, he's an award.

and judges said to be close to glen, were arrested or dismissed and replaced by inexperienced officials, loyal to the government. the diplomat martin at mann was the german ambassador to turkey. at the time of the failed coo, most of turk, his german political prisoners, were detained during his posting. and german turkish relations were at a low point. is incessant, for there is an overarching political atmosphere in which judges or prosecutors believe they have to act a certain way. it's one aspect of the politicization of the system to pull it is the on to sustained in some cases, detained. foreigners have been openly used as political hostages. one example is the u. s. pastor andrew brunson at one would like to exchange him for another clergyman that to la glenn, who he sees as the mastermind of the qu, attempt glen, now lives in exile in the united states. navy again, bill hughes of you yet, she heard you. americans also have a preacher of iran, give us our preacher, and you will get yours. papa's reserve, tunica harden left him there, president, is it actually on golf game? not. but after that statement by the president, cyni