. >> host: joining us now is journalist and author glenn greenwald, will be talking about his newest "securing democracy" interest in it, that glenn greenwald, we are at the libertarian freedom fast, festival in las vegas, and you're here. is her an oddity? >> guest: the deathly is an oddity. that's obvious that i've long been perceived as associate with the left and and i don't tht of people from that's true at this particular conference. the same time very early on when i began writing about politics and my focus was concerns over bush-cheney executive power series and some of the trampling of civil liberties and the war on terror, i always had an audience not just on the left but also libertarians as well. my first book the first two that i would did was at the aclu and the second was at the cato institute so that gives you a flavor for our always managed have these various audiences, how do you do that? is aware the left and the right meet? >> guest: i think are more places where the left and right meet than either side likes to admit, and that the media typically conveys because

well glenn greenwald, that's your some of your american experience. but now you've taken your job to brazil. how'd you get down there? i had been visiting brazil quite a bit in the late 90s and early 2000s. i was working as a lawyer in new york at the time and really just a place. i think we all find those places that just resonate with our soul that just speak to us. i was always overwhelmed by age beauty, but then in 2005 when i went there i intended to stay seven weeks. i met my now husband of 17 years. and at the time the defense of marriage act, which was a law in the clinton years baron get gay couples from getting green cards or other immigration rights for their same sex spouses brazil being the largest catholic country in the world, nonetheless offered those rights and so we were only able to live in brazil together. so we built our life there we have three kids. an elected member of congress and i've lived there ever since but obviously have kept one foot strongly planted in the united states as well with the work. i've been doing well your

. >> joining us now is journalist and author glenn greenwald, talking about his newest book "securing democracy: my fight for press freedom and justice in bolsonaro's brazil" in just a minute but glenn greenwald, we are at the libertarian freedom fest festival in las vegas and you are here. is there an oddity here? >> there is an oddity that is obvious. i don't think a lot of people at this particular conference but very early on, talking about politics, my focus was concerns over bush and cheney executive power theory and trampling of civil liberties and the war on terror. i always had an audience not just on the left but libertarians throughout my first book, and the cato institute, that gives you a flavor for how i managed to have these impromptus with my audience. >> host: where the left and the right meet. >> guest: there are more places left and right meet the neither side likes to admit and the media typically conveys. what attracts standard media attention is when the left and right are fighting at that of skewers how many areas they have in common. they have a lot more agreem

pick us the sources find us the same way any journalist would find their sources i don't think glenn greenwald knew heto would sign a contract in the nsa with that contract found him. so this year the fbi agent found me after they rated my home and that agent came to us with internal restricted documents from within the fbi system they were calling us news media it's a very big deal because the c case hinges on if we are news media so people tend too find journalist they can trust and most people don't trust. but we don't pick our subjects. they find us. host: how many times have you been sued. >> or jailed or indicted. >> or my attorneys are standing 5 feet away from me and laughing i don't know exactly how manyla but a few times a couple dozen pieces of litigation over the last ten years we never really lost a case. so if you are in the right and you don't ever settle usually when in a court of law. most recently going on offense for defamation in the beginning of my career people was to me and the opportunity to settle a case i was am not settling any of these we found out with the defamati

glenn greenwald is not a right-winger. these are just honest things about the state of our media.0s and '80s journalists, newsmen were willing to sacrifice profit on the balance sheet and have a loss leader on the balance sheet to go do that investigative reporting. no more. now it's about the money and it's all about preserving the relationship that you have with the powers that be. that's not journalism under any accepted understanding of what journalism is. >> host: in "american muckraker" you spend a bit of time talking about saul alinsky and his influence but what is at? >> guest: i think saul alinsky had some smart things to say. from chicago. he wrote a book called rules for radicals and one of the things he talked about was make them live up to their own principles. he said that's the most important thing to do is to use their own rules and make them live up to them. i think that's another with saying that is exposing hypocrisy. he also sucks that had give taking a subject and really focusing on it as opposed to lofty broad narratives are kind of think this can be applied

resources find us in the same event any journalist find sources like the way that ed snowden found glenn greenwaldt think the growing green will lose what find it conducting the same for the contractor found him and much of the case the whistleblowers defined as, for example is your fbi agent found me the fbi rated by home fbi agent came to us with internal restrictive documents from within the fbi systems and where they were calling us news media and is a very big deal because the case hinges on whether we are using the since of the people tend to find the journalism that they can trust in these days, most sources don't really trust any journalist and almost people do not trust media but we don't really pick our subjects about subjects find us. >> how many times have you been sued. >> were jailed or indicted are sitting in the exhibit all my attorneys are setting about 5 feet away from me and i know that they are probably laughing and i don't know exactly how few, couple of dozen pieces of litigation over the last ten years we really never lost a case going to lose because were in the right andse

why glenn greenwald is an independent journalist. his work is on substance. joins us tonight to assess. glenn,o as thanks so much for coming on . >> so everybody feels obviously pain, thinking of an eighty two year old man being hit with a hammer. h >> it's the worst thing imaginable. it's quite common now. t why should the rest of rest of us sit here and accept obvious inconsistencies in a story that has public policy implications t and not say anything? >> we obviously shouldn't and is think is the most important t point about all of this, which is how many millions of people have been conditioned to believe that it's immoral or even some kind of reflection of mental illness, like your conspiracy theorists, ifliy you don't immediately and unquestionably accept whatever story is told to you by institutions of authority. and the amazing thinionsg abouti that, tucker, is that this framework is being constructed by journalists, people whose primary purpose in lifeed t is supposed to be to question and challenge the claimsbe to qf the powerful and instead nstead

d here now is independent journalist glenn greenwald. glenn, they forget that it's not just speech you agree with that's protected by the first amendment speech that's inconvenient that you even find vilereenwald is also protected, especially when you're talking about political speech.wh >> what'ats happening here? i? >> i yeah, i mean, if free speech only is for people with whomgree you agree or think is telling the truth, you would need freee speech. norman, noam chomsky has always said one of the people on the left who has been a steadfast defender of free speech, that even hermann goerin hermag believed that ine speech, for those who agreed with every dictator believes in that. i think, you know, dick durbin has to know what he said. was a lie. you would be kicked out of law l school or fail the first yearie of law school if you said that what's happening is that democrats since 2016 really did conclude that the only way they can win elections is thatlh they can control the flow of information over the internet. and in order to do th

here glenn greenwald. speech you even find vile is also protected by the first amendment.t is happening here? >> if free speech is only for people with whom you agree, you would not need free speech. norm said from the left that even herman goring believed that free speech for people you agree with, every dictator believes that. what is happening is that democrats since 2016 concluded that the only way they can win elections is to control the flow of information over the internet. they are redefining what free speech is to mean information that is false as the government defines it can be constrained and those who express it can be punished. >> laura: glenn, a former fbi assistant director is piggybacking off durbin's comments. >> it's not free speech without responsibility. we are duped into thinking, you do have the right to say whatever you want even if people are getting killed. we have become numb to the violent radicals and becoming duped into thinking, that's free speech. >> laura: what a dope. free speech is not something you can be duped into. it's something that

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glenn greenwald is an independent journalist, he joins us tonight to assess. glenn. everybody feels obviously in pain thinking of an 82-year-old man getting hit with a hammer. it's the worst thing imaginable. why should the rest of us sit here and accept obvious inconsistencies in the story that has public policy implications not say anything? >> this is the most important point about all of this. how many millions of people have been conditioned to believe that it's immoral or even some kind of reflection of mental illness like you're a conspiracy theorist you don't immediately in unquestionably accept whatever story is told to you by institutions of authority? the amazing thing about that tucker is that this framework is being constructed by journalists, people whose primary purpose in life is supposed to be to question and challenge the claims of the powerful and instead they're demonizing anybody who does so. skepticism itself can never be wrong. it says, there are evidentiary holes and faulty reasoning and were being told, even of evidence does emerge lat

glenn greenwald is as whelp or t is one of the bravest and mos famous journalists and the country.n't know and you may not have known is that he also is a dog lover. we went in and visited him in rio de janeiro and went to his animal shelter and his home and thought we would show you what it's like. >> good morning. hi, guys, how are you? >> they are bilingual. this was a dork that was born i my office. his mother a picked up when she was pregnant. >> with a beautiful dog. he's kind of the leader of this fact. these are sisters. they are twins. >> can i just ask what's going on here? i'm sorry, can we just talk about this? it's interesting, dogs are like our pathway into the animal world or something. it's like they are the bridge between us and the other species . for me, they are the gateway into getting people to care about animals. that bond between a dog and a person is just so profound. >> end hard to really understand . it's like why did this evolve this way. it's interesting. >> i guess it makes sense that it was wise evolutionary state for dogs to make themselves so well a

well, as glenn greenwald pointed out today, ninety one billion dollars is twice the average annual us expenditure during our own war in afghanistan, 91 billion dollars is thirty three percent more than the entire annual military budget of the entire country of russia. but not enough. today, mark milley informed us that ninety one billion dollars is just the beginning. >> the united states are determined to continue to support ukraine with the means to defend themselves for as long as it takes. we will continue to support ukraine for as long as it takes, and we will continue to support them as long as it takes. and until then, we will continue to support all the way for as long as it takes . >> we will be there for as long as it takes. so there you have the obedient little general reading the talking points again. but still doesn't answer the question why? >> as long as it takes okay, some things are worth that commitment. but why this one ? what is the point of this exactly? we can't say we're defending democracy in ukraine, which is not a democratic country. we can't explain clearly

and honestlyanksgiving editionll for dogs.is glenn , glenn greenwald is as well.e of the bravest and most famous journalists in this country, is frequentl the y on the show. what we didn't h know, and you may not have known, is that he weso is a dog who's devoted his life to helping dogs.nd visited we visited him i hn riimo de janeiro, went to his animal shelter in his home and thought we would show you what it's like. oh, good morning. hi, guys.w are are you say they're bilingual?he how are you doing? this was the dog that was bornot in my office. >> no way. his mother i picked up when she was pregnant. ohdo, what a beautiful dog.his yeah, he's awesome. he's kind of the leader of this pack of this part of the park. these are sisters, those two little black dogs, are they ? >> yeah.ns they're like 25%. what can i just ask what's going on here? and i'm sure can we just talk at this. >> what are you doing? it's interesting. it's lik interese our pathway i the animal world or something.ot it'shing. they're the bridge betweentwee us and all the other species. animals

i can't believo backe how right people like glenn greenwald were back in the day about all of this when they first saw it., >> well, and alex jones, for that matter, who said our intel agencies are interfering in domestic politics. people like me said that's impossible, that's illegal, it's immoral. totalitarian. i that can't possibly, be happening. you're crazy. but that is happening. n, butopenly . >> the amount of people i was>>s very doubtful of first whenrted this when these things first ou started to come out, when people are saying thatt,e said i groups that arlle being set upy to fight al qaeda will someday be turned on , american citizensurn on said that's. ridiculous. i weont went to ground zer shortly. r after i saw it. i felt that pain. it was awful to be around. people were really frightened,ve but all those people werernme completely right. the government is doinnt is g the governments working with twitter now. it's coming out, shut dvernments working to shu,t down scientists, to shut downt o doctors, to shut down peopleompl who later turn out to beetel completely correct.

well, as glenn greenwald pointed out today, $91 billion is twice the annual us $91 billion spent on ourtan. this is 33% more than the entire military budget. all russia completes the seven-day period. joe's granddaughter's wedding and own birthday, anniversary of 80 years. and then there are some missiles somewhere in poland, but still attracted the attention of the united states. and now they are affiliated with the state department and the white house. the media writes he drags us into war word to senator taylor green the rocket attack that killed two innocent people in poland was likely hit by ukrainian air defenses we should stop allowing zelensky to demand money and weapons from the us taxpayers while he tries to drag us into a third world war of money. more to ukraine . no. it's time to end this war and demand peace, the french charlet hebdo comes out with such a cover, the italians write that this man is dangerous. he is trying to unleash the third world war, the principle says, barn harry's hut, that is, nato let's activate the fifth point, and military intervention is understan

glenn greenwald and a whole host of people. it's one of my favorite chapters in the book because of these liberals are now joining with conservatives. robert f kennedy jr has come incredibly and we're building alliances now because it's no longer the left right. it's versus tyranny. next. so we must start planning a permanent pandemic. remember i told you about the emergency powers going back to the roman republic? they don't want to give it. we're still under a covid emergency. joe biden keeps the covid emergency indefinite delay. he keeps pushing it. i think we're in next march right now. and of course, governors states can do the same thing. and i'll get to it. but he's now, according the associated press setting, a climate declaration of emergency which is going to give 130 new powers. we'll get to that in a minute next scottish government trying to make emergency permanent. this is all over the world. it's politicians drunk on power. so great reset in part is as old as power. politics itself. they don't want to give up thi