with me now is jeff toobin gloria borger, david urban, paul begala. also we welcome cnn political commentator tara setmayer. tara-s there a difference between things the president has said in the past and what steve king has said and the reaction to it? >> well, no to the former. and yes to the latter. they are very similar in things they have said. and the president's history is -- of saying racially insensitive and flat out racist things. paul ryan even said that during the campaign when he attacked judge curiel saying he couldn't possibly rule fairly on the trump university case because he was a mexican. actually, he's from indiana. so the president has done things like this before. the reaction has been very different because he has taken over the republican party and republicans have been craven and they have been cowards in standing up to this. and it's gotten worse and worse and worse. and you could have tried to -- even i was reluctant to call him

chief political analyst gloria borger, it is laughable. when you listen to these guys from a couple years ago, but then you hear jacqueline with these two kids saying i don't have to have a snack because she

gloria borger, joe marino, back with us on this. what do you make of this, gloria? >> it's kind of an ah dashsauda story, first of all. second, this is a president who complains about fake news. what he was trying to do, and michael cohen said it was at the president's direction, what he was trying to do was supply fake news in the form of polling and supply fake polls to make him look better. so i don't think the president has a lot of credibility when he talks about anything that's fake because that's what he was trying to do. >> when we at cnn, joseph, look at polls, we don't use online polls, just to be clear. when we're doing polls of polls and citing different polls, we're very judicious with polls. you don't know who is on the other end asking the question, but is there anything legally wrong with this? >> any time we see one of these revelations, it's the first thing i think of. could this be pafrt of the an indictment, part of an impeachment case? i don't know if this is going to be pafrtrt of a larger case or t one of the tawdry details we've learned about

gloria borger just sat down. and my goodness.the possible other places he could still give it, but first your reaction to her response. >> talk about hardball. this is it. and she didn't even talk about the security concerns really in this letter. she said the house is just not going to consider this resolution authorizing the speech until you reopen the government. period. so now the conversation has shifted a little bit from security, which you could argue was a political point in the first place, to sorry, we're not going to have you here. you're not invited until the government is open. >> so trump's other options if he doesn't go to capitol hill, hold a rally, what? the border and the white house? >> i guess. talking from the oval office is not his strength. if you'll recall when he did that little speech on the shutdown, he didn't even like the way it went. he needs an audience to get his energy. he's not great at reading off the prompter. i think he knows that. but if you're going to do a pep rally, that's not a state of t

we have gloria borger here. the president, gloria, as you note in a granite gram, they note that it stopped people from getting over the border illegally. you say it had more to do with him. >> yes, i have a little bit of a different take. here's something he said on august 12, 2018. >> it's going to be so beautiful, because someday they may call it the trump wall, right? i'll be proud of that wall. if they call it the trump wall, it has to be beautiful. >> my theory is that will this is a document for itself. . not like a trade bill or not like tax reform, you can fly over it and he can say, i built this wall. >> does he factor that and other reasons he alleges he wants the wall, and he factors the politics into it as well. >> sure. >> what about the furloughed workers, the out-of-work contracted workers, how does that factor in? >> as you know, we don't hear a lot from the president about the furloughed workers other than saying they support him and they're all for him. i looked back to atlantic city when he wa

at the center for new american security, kerry cor derksdero, have our chief political analyst gloria borger. this is significant, gloria, and i know people are looking at the mueller investigation and the peripheral investigations that are related to similar things. it becomes this kind of drip, drip, drip and they wonder is this a significant day today, is this a significant thing? well, if true, this is a significant thing, right? because this is the first time, instance, that we the public know about president trump directing someone to lie under oath to conceal interactions with russia. >> sure, and again, if true, and we ought to point out that cnn has not independently confirmed this story. that if true, this wuld be according to the president's attorney general designate, bill barr, this would be a clear case of obstruction of justice, trying to find -- trying to direct somebody to lie. so we don't know at this point independently whether it is, but what we do know from court filings is that cohen has said he interacted with white house-based staff before he testified, and that he di

se kupp, gloria borger, thank you so much.e are standing by for the president to speak after this face-to-face meeting on the shut down with democrats and top republicans. we will see what he said about whether progress was made. this shut down is dragging on. federal workers are fearing for their lives without their paychecks. i'm going to speak with one contract worker that someone who is not getting back pay who said she will not already be able to pay her bills. i am not for colds. i am not for just treating my symptoms... (ah-choo) i am for shortening colds when i'm sick. with zicam. zicam is completely different. unlike most other cold medicines... ...zicam is clinically proven to shorten colds. i am a zifan for zicam. oral or nasal. >>> we are keeping an eye on the rose garden and awaiting the president's remarks after his meeting with democrats and top republicans as well. keep in mind it's day 14 of the shut down. this is 14 days too long for hundreds of thousands of americans who are going without paychecks. hundreds

we have chief political analyst glor gloria borger here. gloria, what do you make of roger stone leaving the door open to talking with mueller also about conversations with the president? that was interesting. now he's saying, no, no, i won't cut a deal. what do you make of all this? >> first of all, i think we have to step back and ask the question whether or not the special counsel wants to cut a deal with roger stone. >> that's a good point. >> roger stone is not exactly the most credible witness that you would want testifying on your behalf, and so i'm not quite clear that the special counsel will be running to roger stone and saying, please cooperate with me. it's clear that they were interested in getting a lot of his recording devices, as you just talked about, and that they want a lot of equipment from him because they want more details, perhaps, of his e-mails, et cetera, et cetera. but whether they want roger stone, who has already said i will not bear false witness against the president, i think is kind of an open question. i can

gloria borger, thank you. the white house is acknowledging it underestimated the economic impact of the government shutdown, which is forcing 800,000 federal workers to go without pay. top economic adviser kevin has set said they predicted some, but all the federal contractors who will not get back pay were excluded from that first analysis. so we have cnn crews across the country. so zach wolf reports on how more federal employees were forced to work without pay. but ed lavandera, start iing wi you. i see everyone shouting over your shoulder. what's going on? >> reporter: you're hearing the chants of we need a paycheck. this is a group of american federation of government employees union that have been gatt. ering here throughout the morning. continue to be here throughout the afternoon. these are tsa employees, also air traffic controller employees and local pilots unions and flight attendant unions to support these groups as well. everything we're hearing is that this government shutdown is really starting

chief political analyst gloria borger, it is laughable.n you listen to these guys from a couple years ago, but then you hear jacqueline with these two kids saying i don't have to have a snack because she knows her mom isn't getting paid. you hear these grown men playing politics, totally hypocritical. to that i say, what? >> right, where you stand depends on where you sit. last time they were sitting in the minority. now this time they have the president as a a republican in the white house. ask they are going to support him on this. i'm old enough to remember in 2014 when we had congressional elections, the big thing that republicans were talking about was the so-called imperial presidency. do you remember that? this is an imperial president who wants to govern by fiat. he doesn't want to consult congress. he wants to go over congress's head. well, here we are now with the government shutdown and what are they talking about? they are talking about the declaration of a national emergency, which would go around congress and go over congress

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i want to bring in gloria borger and dana bash to talk about this. what a day. what a news day, right? if there appears to be some sort of agreement, walk us through what that could be, dana, because we knew there was this bipartisan group of senators that was aiming for something that we've heard about before, which is -- this has been on the table or discussed or out there -- a stopgap measure that funds the government for a short period of time so they can talk about border security separately. >> you have a bipartisan group of senators banging their collective heads against a wall, because it looks like what they have been talking about and begging the president to do might be exact ly the road he's going to go down. we'll see that in about 20 minutes if that's the case. if he does reopen the government, it is -- there is no other way to say it and see it as the fact that he capitulated. he has had no choice. it has gotten worse and worse and worse for him politically. people who are close to him, people who are around him who i'm talking to have been tearin

gloria borger is here to talk about it.uch an interesting fly on the wall moment in this book. what does this scene reveal to you? >> i remember the night that this occurred and i remember watching that video, and chris christie is absolutely right. it did look like a hostage video. what his story tells me is that trump was in charge, that people were saying that trump -- there were questions about whether you should say if anyone was offended, you should stop talking about the clintons in this. this is not about the clintons said christie, advised him. i like the apology. i don't like the clinton part. he said that to someone over the phone and in the end, they went with this horrible statement, horrible that donald trump -- >> the videotape one. >> the videotape one and the next day reince priebus said everyone is saying you need to withdraw. >> this is what's interesting you get the window into new math and old math. you can't talk like that, you'd be finished. if someone was offended, if anyone was offended? of course,

back now with jeff toobin, dana bash and gloria borger.ed by a mobster, you can go into witness protection. >> exactly. that's what happens. that's why the witness protection program exists because bad guys make threats against witnesses and their families. what makes this situation in many ways worse is that the guy making the threat is in charge of the witness protection program and the justice department and the fbi. so donald trump, you know, is saying why don't they investigate the father-in-law. well, whose in charge of that? he is. it is the most clear abuse of power that you can imagine. and, you know, we've become so inured to this. it's oh, it's just trump talking. but this is not how the system is supposed to work. >> but as we've been saying all day, this did work. rudy giuliani and donald trump scared michael cohen enough one way or another to get him to back off, at least for now. >> which makes it even worse. >> fearful of his family being prosecuted? >> i think he is fearful of his family. he is fearful that he will be in j

gloria borger, i've still got you and, you know, this to me just exemplifies, both sides are diggingresident saying this isn't going to end any time soon. obviously he's so worry philadelphia he doesn't get his money for his wall, i have to imagine he's thinking, pure politics. >> this is pure politics and my producer is reminding me that the president went to iraq early on in the shutdown, himself. a handful of days into the shutdown, so it's rich that he's telling nancy pelosi that she can't and for all we know, by the way, she may be deciding or have decided that she wasn't going to go because we're in the middle of a shutdown here and that she needed to be back in washington to negotiate. we just -- we have no idea because this is nothing that pelosi would talk about publicly. to get back to your question, this is politics and was nancy pelosi -- let me just be fair here, was nancy pelosi playing politics when she said to the president, sorry, you're not allowed to come up to the hill to do the state of the union because we're in a shutdown and we don't have the secret service? s

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gloria borger, thanks for having with me we'll chat in a second. the question was so you don't need congressional approval to build a wall? the president said absolutely, we can call a national emergency, i haven't done it, i may do it, we can call a national emergency. the follow-up question was is that a threat hanging over democrats, he said i never threaten anybody but i am allowed to do it. then i want to

l let's bring in gloria borger and jeff zeleny. so good to see you. as we wait for this press briefing at the white house in just minutes from now, gloria, let me start with you. roger stone says he has no intention of cutting a deal with mueller, but the question is, would mueller even want to cut a deal with him? >> i don't think so. i really don't. i can't imagine that anyone would think roger stone would be a credible witness. particularly after mueller's office has just indicted him for lying for heaven's sakes. so i think what mueller would like from roger stone and we saw they gathered more things today from a storage place owned by stone, i think they want his devices. i think they want his information that he has and his cell phone. and his computer. and all kinds of things. i think roger stone per se is not somebody they would want. >> on the mueller probe, jeff, we just learned that senators blumenthal and grassley introduced this deal to require that the special counsel's report be made public. do you expect pushback from the white house on

with me now is gloria borger and elijah cummins. gloria, is this a total trump cave? >> well, yes, when you think about this could have been done weeks ago, that the democrats have been talking about reopening the government and let's have a discussion about some kind of immigration reform. the president said no, no, no, i need money for the wall. he didn't get money for the wall today. what was striking to me was that the president somehow today and my notes are not verbatim, but he did say that the democrats have finally acknowledged that having barriers, walls, fences are some kind of an important part of the solution. i haven't heard that from democrats. they have in the past voted for certain kinds of barriers as we know, but that's not apart of this new discussion, so i don't know where he's getting that from and also, he hung out this notion that on hanging this emergency authority over your head which you were discussing in the last segment is very questionable legally and that's an issue for conservatives as well because a lot of conservatives think it's an a

. >>> gloria borger. she laughs. what's confusing to you? it's just us talking here. >> i'm confused here. this is a president who was talking about slats a week ago, slats and all different kinds of things, right? it doesn't have to be concrete because maybe you have to see through it, so don't call it a wall. >> now it's a wall. >> now we're back to wall, so, yeah, it's semantics but the president keeps changing his tune on this. >> he's changing his tune, although listening to speaker pelosi -- when you look at the deal of this on paper, there's absolutely zero wall funding but we played the clip from speaker pelosi where maybe she's presenting a potential opening for a little wiggle room in negotiations, i'm just curious how you heard it. >> yeah, i think she might be. she called it fencing and norman did i fencing which is what they put on mountainous ter rains so the cars can't go through it. i think that would probably not be something trump would want unless he was looking for a lifesaver, but you've got the democrats offer up on you

gloria borger, thank you very much. gloria on the politics. we'll talk legal in a second. here's what's happening right now. >>> anger is growing over this government shutdown. protests have erupted nationwide as hundreds of thousands of federal workers are about to miss their first paycheck as of tomorrow. will have a live report on that ahead and breaking news. cnn is learning that robert mueller's team has questioned a trump campaign pollster. why that could be significant to the larger russia investigation? you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. because there are options. like an "unjection™". xeljanz xr. a once-daily pill for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well enough. xeljanz xr can reduce pain, swelling and further joint damage, even without methotrexate. xeljanz xr can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma have happened. as have tears in the stomach or intestines, serious allergic reactions, low blood cell counts, higher liver tests

gloria borger, thanks for having with me we'll chat in a second. the question was so you don't need congressional approval to build a wall? the president said absolutely, we can call a national emergency, i haven't done it, i may do it, we can call a national emergency. the follow-up question was is that a threat hanging over democrats, he said i never threaten anybody but i am allowed to do it. then i want to get to kaitlan collins' question -- and we got dana bash, too. the bit about concrete versus steel because this is so much more than the material, right, this is -- it's a much bigger point. i just want to go back to a tweet from the president from five days ago, kaitlan is saying how are you fulfilling your campaign promise, he says five days ago an all-concrete wall was never abandoned as has been reported by the media. dana, i'll start with you on this. flash forward to five seconds ago when he's like, no, no, no, steel is stronger than concrete, it will be steel and i'm wondering to you if this might actually be some sort of opening in a

let's bring in gloria borger. how significant is this? >> it's good news for donald trump junior, i would have to say, because those phone calls were considered very problematic, because the big question is, what did donald trump know about the russia meeting and when did he know it? since those calls came from a blocked number, they were with a blocked number, there was a lot of presumption that it was with the then candidate trump. so the reporting from pamela and manu shows that, in fact, it wasn't. it doesn't mean that he didn't walk upstairs and talk to his father. it didn't mean that they never had any conversations about it. but it does settle this mystery. >> you heard, jeffrey, senator blumenthal suggest it's possible that mueller might, in the end, go ahead and actually indict or charge donald trump junior potentially for lying when he testified before the senate. >> that is possible. one thing that's been certainly very noticeable is that the mueller team has never asked to interview donald trump junior, which seems like a sign

i want to go now to our chief political analyst gloria borger.avid, why is the president calling his own intelligence chiefs naive and passive? that's not just inappropriate, it's belittling and demeaning. >> it sure is. there's no racial explanation, erin. only the ir racitional and emotional that goes to his instinctive response. this is more dangerous. he's undermined the intelligence community before when it comes to what the russians did. he has taken putin's word over his own intelligence community. the people who testified yesterday were basically his people. people he put in the job. they are not disloyal. they are trying to serve the country well. when the president attacks them, it credibility. i'm surprised. when he's at weakst point of his presidency and a fight is looming with mueller and he's going to go after mueller, you would think he want to prop up his credibility and not further erode it. >> ginas haspel, christopher wrey, they all went through confirmation hearings. these are people he picked. now he's slamming all of them as

the politics of this whole episode plays out, that's an open question we want to get into with gloria borger and paul begala. gloria, who do you think has the upper hand tonight? you have the president threatening to declare a national emergency in order to get a wall built, and a split congress with negotiations seemingly go nowhere. >> look, i think right now, this president is reeling, because he's not -- he's not winning the narrative here and he's trying to change it. he's trying to create a crisis where i believe one does not exist, and if you look at the polling, you have 62% of the people in this country oppose the building of a wall. you have a majority of people, according to a bunch of polls, who say they blame the republicans and the president more than the democrats for a shutdown. so, what the president's trying to do with this speech tomorrow night is kind of reset and say, look. this is a crisis here and here is why and that's why he's going for the photo op at the border, as well. but i have to say, you know, we've been talking about a wall. the president has been talking ab

. >> let's bring in c this,nn pol analyst david gregory and gloria borger. we need to figure out what alexandria ocacio-cortez is talking about. she's not saying it would be the top 70% of the money made by a millionaire. >> i'm not sure what's clear, but she's going far beyond where democrats have gone in recent decades on progressive taxation to really soak the rich with the idea that's ultimately going to help the economy. there is a constituency for that. she's got a voice in the party that's getting a lot of attention. but i think it's out of sync with a lot of americans. >> are you saying, even if she's saying the first $10 million you're not paying 70% on, but it kicks to the next 10 million? are you saying that it's unrealistic to raise it to 70% at any cap? >> the congressman would say, oh, i could go for that. but as a general matter if that could be the starting point, that would be the end of it, i'm sure many who are opposed to higher taxes on the wealthy would be opposed to that. >> i just don't know why democrats are getting into specifics abo

we have dana bash and gloria borger sitting next to me. dana, to you first. you blink the last time we were on tv. well, the latest volley from speaker pelosi her daring him to not come or to disinvite and now here we have it that challenge accepted. >> she did just that. david said it perfectly. she is in a position of power. she's in a position of supreme power. even though she and the democrats only control one-half of one branch of government. but it happens to be when you're talking about state of the union, the actual chamber where he delivers it. kind of a big deal. and more importantly, look, you definitely hear the president and republicans saying over and over, really trying to stick to the message that they are being take b over by radicals on the left. they don't care about your security. those messages, republicans, particularly those in trump world, are still convinced will resinate with the independents that he and republicans lost a couple months ago. but it's really unclear how long that's going to last when they are saying, okay, maybe that'

let's bring in our analysts and gloria borger.ow do you sift through these confusing very complicated statements? >> not easily. not easily. but i think the most damaging one was rudy giuliani was quoting the president, himself, to "the new york times" and quoting the president he said the trump tower moscow discussions were going on from the day i announced to the day i won." and the reason this is so problematic or could be problematic is we don't know what the president's lawyers said in their written answers to the special counsel about this. and he now is directly quoting his client. now, never mind whether he's breaking attorney/client privilege in doing that, but i think that could give mueller reason to say, you know what, i really do need to talk to the president about this. >> is he quoting the president directly -- >> yes. >> -- but then he says it's hypothetical. how do you explain it? zr. >> those two things do not match. it's hard to square that. >> very hard, indeed. listen to this exchange rudy giuliani had with ou

. >>> joining us now is cnn chief legal analyst jeffrey toobin and our cnn analyst gloria borger. jeff, do you agree is barr leaving wiggle room in his testimony? >> i think there's a lot of wiggle room in the disclosure of the report. i thought it was as close to as iron clad as possible he won't fire mueller. i just don't think that is in the cards. but on the report it was very, frankly, confusing testimony. and there were several places where he did even suggest that he might only release a summary of the -- of mueller's report, which i think would be totally unacceptable to the house of representatives. and that would certainly lead to litigation between the house and the executive branch. >> but he has the power to do that? >> he seems to under the regulation. the regulation itself is pretty vaguely and oddly written. so it places a lot of power in the supervisor who is the attorney general. so i was certainly struck by the weasel words in terms of the report. >> is that a legal term? >> yes, that's a legal term. as for firing mueller i think it's really not going to happen.

i'm joined by jeff toobin and gloria borger and dana bash.w they also have some questions for you. jeff? >> should mueller investigate the president for this? should he add this to the things he's investigating? >> jeff, you know, i think that a lot of what we're concerned about actually has happened in front of our own eyes. for example, obstruction of justice. and, yeah, i think we -- they went on television and did this. and it's had an impact, and i think it is absolutely worthy of examination by the special prosecutor before he completes his work. >> does it make it less of a crime that someone duds it in public as opposed to in secret? >> no, it's just maybe a little more clever because a lot of us can't see what's in front of us. it's almost like that story of the king with no clothes. it's happening in front of you but you don't see it. >> do democrats on the committee want subpoena him now? do they think that this is important enough and would set a bad enough precedent for them as you take over the congress and you want to talk to w

gloria borger is saying he accepted that subpoena. he will show up, presumably in february, before he begins his three-year prison sentence in march. he is deeply concerned. he rejected the house oversight committee's open hearing because he says he fears for his family's safety after what the president and rudy giuliani have said. how are you going to deal with that issue? >> i think we have to respect that. we have to try to take whatever steps are necessary to protect that. it gets close to witness intimidation, which isn't in any legal system allowed or proper. so we're going to have to take that into consideration. he is subpoenaed. the difference between the house side, he wasn't subpoenaed. he was appearing voluntarily. now he is subpoenaed. he has no choice but to come. hopefully, we will be able to get some information from him that he didn't share before. as manu said, when he appeared before, he wasn't truthful. that was one his not telling the truth to the -- to our committee is one of the things that he pledge guilty to t

i want to go now to gloria borger, our chief political analyst, robbast areno, and joan walsh, national affairs correspondent for the nation. gloria, this is not the way a winning negotiation ends. at least it isn't the way it ends if you're president trump. >> no, i sort of miss this. i was looking at the art of the deal and i missed this chapter about the great negotiation that never happened here. this deal that the president got today is one that he could have gotten three weeks ago. this is what the democrats were proposing when they said just reopen the government and then let's talk about negotiating what we want to do on immigration reform. you know, afterwards. and this is what has occurred. the president tried everything. as caitlyn was saying, mitch mcconnell warned him, you're going to start losing your republicans. not only were his personal poll numbers going down, but people inside the white house were panicking there was no way out of this. and so this wasn't really a negotiation as much as it was a capitulation, complete by the president. >> i mean, rob, no doubt he kno

i want to go now to gloria borger, our chief political analyst. john dean, former nixon white house council during watergate, and berit berger, former prosecutor for the southern district of new york. gloria, trump says he is not worried about cohen's testimony. look, that is hard to believe. >> it is. it is hard to believe. michael cohen was a loyal trooper for donald trump, worked for him since 2006. and you know, my sources close to cohen say to me that this is a man who believes that his whole life has been turned upside down, because he had to lie, or he chose to lie, to protect donald trump. and as he said in that clip that you just showed, he said, i'm not going to be the villain in this story. and he is not. he intends to kind of reverse engineer his reputation here. and so we are going to hear a lot about the president and the question of whether he directed these payments to stormy daniels or karen mcdougal. and i also wouldn't be surprised if they ask questions, not directly about russia, but if they ask questions about whether he coordi

that's an open question which we want to get into with gloria borger, michael cap cuto and pa.ve the president threatening to declare a national emergency to get a wall build billion build. >> i think this president is reeling because he's not winning the narrative here and he's just trying to change it. he's trying to create a crisis. where i believe one does not exist. and if you look at the poll, you have 62% oppose the building of the wall. you have a majority of the people who say they blame the republicans and the president more than the democrats for shutdown. so what the president is trying to do with the speech tomorrow night the reset and say look, this is a crisis here. and here is why and that's why he's going for the photo op at the border at well. we've been talking about wall. the president has been talking about this for what, more than a couple of years. and questions can be raised if it is a crisis and has been a crisis, when he controlled both houses of congress, why didn't it get built? >> michael, what about that? do you think at this point, the president s

also a former democratic member of the los angeles city council, and cnn chief political analyst, gloria borger. jack, your name is not a coincidence. your brother is andrew, right, as sarah was just referring to. he posted this thread on twitter about the timeline crediting you with the idea. how did you connect all of the ideas here? >> well, look, andrew is a russia policy expert and i'm a former fed. so for the last two years, we just go back and forth on a daily basis, wherever something pops up. when the hamburg summit first occurred and ian bremmer came out with that scoop of his after the summit that trump had sought putin out and had met with him privately, we both thought that was bizarre and probably indicative of something. over the weekend that just passed, when "the washington post" reported that trump had confiscated his interpreter's notes from the meeting earlier in the day, instructed that interpreter not to talk about the meeting with anyone, we just thought it was important to lay out the whole chronology that sarah just did in her report. you put all of that together and fo

. >> senior political reporter and analyst is with us, gloria borger -- davand "usa today" columnist kirsten powers, mike shields, and the obama solicitor general. neal, from the legal standpoint, can the white house make a valid executive privilege argument on the interpreter's notes? >> they can try but i think they'll lose. it goes all the way back to george washington. he asserted it in 1792 with respect to the indians. he lost there and had to turn over the information. most presidents have asserted executive privilege have lost, for reasons congressman schiff said, this isn't the strongest case. it's not one between the president and his advisers. i think they may try. they certainly sent signals to the trump folks they will try. they will lose and the most relevant precedent, it always comes to this talking about trump, nixon, because nixon lost unanimously in the supreme court. the supreme court said the public has a need to know. and i think that if this went to the supreme court, they would say the same thing. >> the chairman also said that if the notes were destroyed by th

the solicit or general in the obama administration, jeffrey toobin and chief political analyst gloria borger. are these shifting narratives from guiliani and kind of putting out a statement to explain what his prior statement meant, is that a problem for him? or is that just a part of his strategy? >> i think it's probably a mix of things. but i think there is one overriding goal at the moment in the trump defense camp. which is that he has now submitted answers to the mueller investigation under oath, signed, take home exam. we haven't seen the results, but we know he's done it. guiliani has to tailor all his comments to what trump said in those answers. undoubtedly, some of those trump answers are different from the things he said all along, especially about when these negotiations were going on. as you heard from in all those things, where he said there was nothing going on. obviously, something was going on. so guiliani has to sort of move trump's answer in line with what trump said in the questionnaire without seeming to. and it's impossible. so he sound ridiculous. >> gloria, what are

with me now is gloria borger and laura jarrett and shimon prokupecz and jeffrey toobin. thanks for having me in your town. >> thanks for coming. >> i want to start with my justice reporters first, ladies first to you, i've been listening for hours and hours to this testimony and the thing that stuck out to me -- because everyone watching is thinking, when this whole mueller investigation wraps, will we, we, the american people, being able to see it. he testified that by regulation the report mueller submits to doj will be quote confidential so any publicly issued report he said would be an attorney general's report. translate that for me. >> so under the regulations, mueller doesn't have to submit anything to the public. all he does is list out all of his prosecution decisions and declinations, meaning the people he didn't prosecute but there might be classified information, there might be executive privilege issues so what he's trying to say here is, mueller will give me the report but i will take a look at it and i will draft up something that is capable of being deliv

let's bring in our analysts and gloria borger, clearly, the president feels he's got to do something going to deal with the tweets and sort of the off-the-cuff exchanges with reporters not working. >> it is not working. look, a majority of people and the polls we're looking at blame the republicans for the shutdown. more than 60% oppose the wall. i would presume most of those people do not consider this to be a national emergency. so the president has got to now, he understands he has to talk to the american public, but he's got to convince the american public that it is a crisis and so far, they're not buying it and what they're hearing from the president is, yes, this is a crisis, but they're not hearing from him any empathy for any of the people who are losing their salaries. who are losing their paychecks. who cannot pay their mortgage. he's not talking about that and most of the american public is thinking about those people. that's what the democrats are talking about, and he's saying, you know what, they understand, they support me, they support the wall, and we've seen no pro

i want to bring in gloria borger and when you look at michael cohen, his team, gloria, has often referred to him as the john dean in this story. they are comparing him to nixon's white house counsel who testified before congress essentially turned on president nixon and a lot of people looked at what john dean was saying, they actually didn't believe it, but then there would be corroborating evidence. he came out and said what seemed like the most outlandish things to congress and they ended up being true. is that the expectation of what's going to happen here, the outlandish aspects of it i would say? >> what you'll hear from michael cohen and i have no idea what questions the members of congress are going to ask is, is him trying to set the record straight here because don't forget, he did lie to congress previously and i think this is somebody who is, you know, supposed to go to jail in march and wants to set the record straight publicly against donald trump. as shimon was saying and i agree with him 100%, this is something the white house is going to be watching very, very carefully b