goldwater's candidacy in 1964. what prompted that shift? that's an awkward subject in a lot of ways because kirk goes against his own principles. in every way i can find, kirk had his moments of integrity, but he really tried to live what he preached. he did make a lot of money, but he gave it all away. we can talk about that. 1953, andas early as he takes from one of the great writers of the late 19th century, george gibson, he said politics is for the poor edge -- the poorly educated. he believed that real change -- at least early on, real change came from righting books, dealing with newspaper editors, came by righting syndicated columns. he believed a real intellectual presence would take at least 25 years. he did not believe in going to and getting this one law passed. he knew how civilizations and risen and fallen. the three greats of greek society -- socrates, plato, and aristotle -- they came at the end of greece. they were nostalgic, righting about what they lost. the same thing is true of cicero. they all

people used to talk about when goldwater and nixon would meet with donors, goldwater would never, ever placate a donor. if it was gm and they wanted a subsidy on tariffs, goldwater would say to their face, "no, i would never do that," and nixon would say "i think we could work something out." and again, i am not an expert on goldwater or nixon, but i don't think any of us would think oldwater lied. he is just a guy who whatever he hought he spoke. i think kirk was pretty taken from that. goldwater calling him from washington, d.c., saying "my two favorite authors are you and friedrich hayek. i need to know what to say to make this work. how will i convince people?" i think a young kirk was pretty flattered by that. he became very involved. goldwater called him all the ime. they met at times in places like florida. they with william f buckley strategized, "how do we take out the birchers? we we don't want these people on our side. how do we take out the radical right? none of these people should be a part of genuine conservatism." then the goldwater movement took off in different direct

that was susan goldwater marc m. >> right. i think there is something to be said for that at about the same time goldwater was a practical politician. not just a man of principle of the conscious of the conservative but also practical. he would have said wait a minut minute. 63million people voted for him. why? what is he doing? he would say supreme court nominations. deregulation. tax cuts. strong military. national defense, concerned free but fair i think he would have applauded all of those things. i'm pretty sure he would have at the same time he probably would have said something like why didn't trump's mother wash out his mouth with soap? and make them understand we don't need a potty mouth except goldwater where not have use the word potty. >> how did you become known as a conservative historian quick. >> i don't think i am. i think the historian of the conservative movement is george nash who wrote a marvelous book called the intellectual history of the conservative movement that is the bible and the primer that we ref

where would barry goldwater be today? would there be a place in politics for barry goldwater today? george: barry goldwater had a clear disciple, senator jeff flake of arizona, who had been head of the goldwater institute, a wonderful, state-based think tank. he wrote a book called "the conscience of a conservative," which was the title of barry's book, and he's out of politics because he offended the president. i don't think so. barry was a cheerful malcontent and he proved that that adjective and noun go together. you can be a malcontent and cheerful about it. i like to think i am. i think barry goldwater, some people say he lost the 1964 election merely because he lost 44 states. i say he won, it just took 16 years to count the votes. >> you mentioned "the conscience of conservative," barry goldwater's book, it seems to me you are the conscience of conservatism today. who would you anoint to carry on that responsibility? george: i don't know. >> is there anyone out there who you think has the ability to wage a conservative movement successfully? george: i'm a little cross with fr

bere would barry goldwater today. would there be a place in politics for barry goldwater today? george: barry goldwater had a clear depart -- disciple and senator jeff flake, who had been head of the goldwater institute, a wonderful think tank. he wrote a book called "the consciousness of a conservative." auntie is out of politics prints.he offended the i do not think so. he was a cheerful malcontent. thatsay, he proved that adjective goes together. you can be a malcontent but cheerful about it. i like to think i am. i think barry goldwater, some people say he lost the 1964 election because he lost 44 states. i stay -- he won and it took 16 years to count the votes. mentioned "the consciousness of the conservative," it seems that you are today.

that's what barry goldwater talked about in 1964. he didn't have a shot to win but he's like, conservatives, grow up, we got to get our act together. it took until 1980 before it happened. i think progressives are making the argument that that's how we actually change things is find our voice. there's a lot of agreement on that stage tonight. a lot of that agreement is about cementing what that progressive path is. >> i do love that goldwater analogy that he lost in '64 and took until reagan for his ideology to be embodied within the oval office. i think there are large portion of americans right now who are so exhausted by this presidency that they don't want to wait, you know, 10, 15 years, however long it is, for the platonic ideal of progressivism to materialize and take the oval office. you know, it's why i do think that senator michael bennet, he didn't make the stage tonight but did have a message, like, a month ago and said, i kind of want to make america boring again, i promise if you elect me, you will not hear about me for

last week, excuse me, tuesday, we talked about senator barry goldwater. phoenix. one of the fathers of u.s. conservatism. there are goldwater became so successful in phoenix not just because of his family's department for business. which he inherited from his father but because he had other city leaders in phoenix changed the laws to make phoenix business friendly. phoenix in the 1950's went from being a backwater southwestern engine being an economic for the nation and into the sprawling metropolitan center to you know today. for a few reasons. the first was tax incentives. business inpen a the northeast, even in chicago, you have to pay a lot of taxes. people in the city will tell you they pay out the nose. , in phoenix, the city fathers established a system so that they could lure manufacturers to their part of the country by here, wef you come will not charge you taxes for your first five years. we will bring that are taxes to make you affordable. example -- a big is goingstorage space to open surely. a lot of people did not want to have public storage it is n

and you also bring up barry goldwater. the contrast of nominees on race relations will likely be as stark as any republicans since 1964 nominated senator barry goldwater who posed the civil rights act against president lyndon johnson who steered it into law. how ugly could this get, how will this play out? >> it's very pointed already. and how much could it get than tweeting people should go back even though they are americans? look, i think what we're seeing, you know, and you see the counter move on the other side which is i think democrats face partly because trump has been so overt, they face enormous pressure. they are using language we've not seen kbfr frfrom democratic nominees and arguing that economic inequity is rooted and 1990s new democrat language as tangled as it was, remember that part beyond the record playing in his answers talking about sending social workers to help low income parents raise their kids, look at the backlash he received over that intense and widespread among african-american thought leader

. >> you also bring up barry goldwater in 1964. let me read this in.on issues of race relations will likely be as stark as any since the republicans in 1964 nominated senator barry goldwater, who opposed the civil rights act, against president lyndon johnson, who steered it into law. you also say trump is appealing to white racial resentments. how ugly could this get? how will this play out? >> look, i think it's going to get very pointed. it's already. how much uglier can it get than tweeting that people should go back even though they are, you know, americans? look, i think that what we're seeing -- and you see the countermove on the other size, which i think democrats face partly because trump has been so overt, they face enormous pressure. they are using language we have not seen before from democratic nominees and talking about systemic racism and basically arguing that economic inequity is rooted in systemic racism. even when joe biden tried to return to some fairly standard issue 1990s new democrat language, as tangled as it was about combining

in 1964 goldwater's loss put an end to the conservative movement. but in the late 60s and early 70s that will provide more fodder to the republican party. in 1969 there was a book about the emerging republican majority he looks at the white cells, blue-collar whites in the north and said this will be part of a future republican majority we talked about the silent majority speech. this trusted institution, this antiauthority field. this emphasis on individualism fuels conservatism. because of its criticism of government, is that big government. reagan comes into office in 1981 and he says the problem is a government. this belief that government is ineffective and they don't do the job well is fueled by this distrust of institutions that we see coming in from the 1970s. we talked a little bit about what else is driving the conservative time. the rise of the moral majority, the increasing number of evangelical protestants as mainline churches decline , these evangelical churches are on the rise. abortion turning into a political issue. northern ethnic

that's what barry goldwater talked about in 1964.knew he didn't have a shot to win but he's like, conservatives, grow up, we got to get our act together. it took until 1980 before it happened. i think progressives are making the argument that that's how we actually change things is find our voice. there's a lot of agreement on that stage tonight. a lot of that agreement is about cementing what that progressive path is. >> i do love that goldwater analogy that he lost in '64 and took until reagan for his ideology to be embodied within the oval office. i think there are large portion of americans right now who are so exhausted by this presidency that they don't want to wait, you know, 10, 15 years, however long it is, for the platonic ideal of progressivism to materialize and take the oval office. you know, it's why i do think that senator michael bennet, he didn't make the stage tonight but did have a message, like, a month ago and said, i kind of want to make america boring again, i promise if you elect me, you will not hear about me

head of the goldwater institute, a wonderful think tank. he wrote a book called "the consciousness of a conservative." auntie is out of politics prints.he offended the i do not think so. he was a cheerful malcontent. thatsay, he proved that adjective goes together. you can be a malcontent but cheerful about it. i like to think i am. i think barry goldwater, some people say he lost the 1964 election because he lost 44 states. i stay -- he won and it took 16 years to count the votes. mentioned "the consciousness of the conservative," it seems that you are today. on would you anoint to carry that responsibility? >> thanks you for being here, i am evan smith. i am spending time today walking around and saying hello to folks in the audience at sessions that we consider to be fundamental to the success of this event and are the best aligned with the mission. we worked really hard all year long to get representative andds -- roy, georgia -- meadows to have an a diversity of ideas and have folks from all sides. we won people in every room to talk a

went to the white house and barry goldwater said mr. president, you've lied to me for the last time. your support in the senate is zero. and until that point there was a clear republican majority prepared to hang out to dry for richard nixon. of course they all lost in next year's election, which is what's going to happen to these republicans if they don't change their tune. but i agree with congressman holtzman. it may not be a torrent at first but? are going to come and as the facts come out assuming the house does proceed with an inquiry, which is all the house judiciary committee did with nixon, they're just in the middle of an inquiry -- >> liz made that point another day, that that's what it was. >> there was no point in the house to impeach the president but they unearthed enough facts so nobody could deny it. and that's what's going to happen to trump. >> as a former governor, as a former prosecutor, the interesting thing in this case is not just that it may have happened. it's the efforts that the white house and the decht of j

it took until 1980 for those principles -- >> how did it go for barry goldwater in 1964? >> but my point is, that was a statement of conservative principle. and it took a while. but it was still galvanizing -- >> a lot of -- it was 16 years later. >> the whole idea of, are you going to sort of paint in bold colors or pastels. and i think if you're beto o'rourke, he hasn't been doing that well. he kind of busted on to the scene, did really well, raised a bunch of money. now he's at the bottom of the pack and he needed something, i think, to dwuistinguish himself. and i think he also saw what elizabeth warren did, right? elizabeth warren, when she first announced, she was stofort of flailing, right? people thought she had made a big mistake with the dna test, but came out with all of these big, bold plans and really outlined this progressi iviv ii ambition. >> and they're a lot more progressive than barry gold wae water water. i know you covered that. it's not enough to say, this is how we beat the opposition. >> i think the time that he took away, off the campaign trail to

workers union was called quote more dangerous than sputnik or anything soviet russia might do barry goldwater when they dared to suggest the idea of profit sharing in the auto manufacturing business at the time journalist mike wallace even argued that auto industry executives deserve their exorbitant salaries and bonuses because they bear the red and they run the company while unionized worser workers asking for profit sharing was an accidental threat to the free market system here is then u.a.w. president walter walter ruther a serious response to mike wallace well you'd have a very difficult job convincing ford workers and chrysler workers and general motors workers who are unemployed that they don't risk anything but they don't suffer a loss when the company's in bed and in bad condition they also suffer but here's the thing you need to understand that this prince of girl is being applied in seward in general motors in chrysler's the executives are carrying in the profits now they're not sharing in the profits as stockholders they're sharing in the profits as employees because they run the

of an astronaut you cannot help but being impressed to go to the moon in that regard that barry goldwater from the right wanted the money to go to the air force not nasa. why not put more money into the military? and on the left even liberal senators like fulbright and mondale thought the money should be spent here at home and lbj who backed kennedy would argue this is home producing technology and jobs. like fdr did the tennessee valley authority and we are employing people. but is an interesting dynamic building rockets to go to the moon in jim crow huntsville and to be fair nasa does move into integration pretty quickly by the mid-sixties their sense of bringing minorities into the program was a little slow but they are there and the good news today women astronauts it is an incredible place for women to work and they are trying with the first woman spacewalk or so that glass ceiling has been broken so if anybody is listening in the audience and are interested there are great opportunities for women working at nasa and in space we have come a long way in that regard. >> and those doing

the organizers of the barry goldwater convention were not so delighted to learn that the democratic campaignacross from the invention home. they were caught off guard and when they got to san francisco there were projections of reagan and other people across from there walt attacking him. >> so i have to get on the record and clarify something i said it. many people are out there saying, harris faulkner said we were number one. no, the leader is still joe biden. senator is optimistic on progress on gun control after talking to the president. but a new report suggests that democrats may just play politics. >> president trump: we are looking up background checks and putting every thing together in a unified way so that we can have something that is meaningful. at the same in time, all of us want to protect our great second amendment. nana! bend at the waist! i'm tryin'! keep it up. you'll get there. whoa-hoa-hoa! 30 grams of protein, and one gram of sugar. ensure max protein. and i...was... take shocked.test. i'm from cameroon, congo, and...the bantu people. new features. greater details. rich

republicans went to him and barry goldwater went to him and they said enough is enough.gn. republicans today should heed that historic lesson because if they don't put that -- they don't all have to call for impeachment right now. they just have to call for an impeachment inquiry. they have to be responsible in the moment to say in a bipartisan way we'll get to the bottom of what's happening here. they have to be responsible. >> the interesting part though is back then, nixon was very, very popular. by the time these hearings concluded, he was very unpopular. he was republicans were being heroes and doing the right thing. on another they were seeing where the wind was blowing. if you put the fingers up and see where the wind is blowing right now, donald trump is not an albatross. you have to tie yourself to him in order to survive. >> yeah, that's why you can't look at the republicans who are going to live by polling even though there is polling right now that shows 30% of republicans are very much in support of the impeachment inquiry. the people you need to look at are

barry goldwater stood up and told nixon, i've had enough of your lies.ct committees tend to go a little slower. we're now in fast speed. nancy pelosi would like to see this done before christmas. does not want impeachment proceedings bleeding into the caucus and primaries of early 2020. so we are on a very fast-going ship right now, hence everybody's focusing on the ukraine piece. there are other things donald trump might be able to be impeached on but this ukraine situation is something that can be brought home quite expeditiously by the democrats, at least in the next two months. >> so let's back up a bit from kind of the individual pieces of what's happened over the last several days. the president has now joined a very small club where there is now an impeachment inquiry if it goes to articles that are sent over to the senate. he will join an even smaller club. given the gravity of what is happening and the significance of what is happening in the scope of history. >> no president wants to have the big eye tattooed on him impeachment. it makes you pa

they have what i would describe as a goldwater nichols equivalent in terms of their reorganizing their military in 2017. if you look at north korea, a large amount of their icbm testing, no one nuclear test took place in 2016 and 2017. so clearly it is a different place in terms of number of tests and so forth. i think you would have to say that iran today is more aggressive in projecting malign influence than they were in the 2017. one area i would highlight a significant change in a positive sense is that in 2015, if you go back and read your newspaper and the headlines, they would have talked about isis and the domination of isis. in iraq and syria, and the establishment of a physical caliphate. i think the fight against trans regional extremism is far from over, but we have made significant progress against isis in iraq and syria specifically. david: we will drill down on each of those. let me start with the same military strategy you described. during your tenure, the military strategy of the united states , at least the broad objectives, radically changed. we moved from a governm

barry goldwater was basically the first figure to say we are going to stand for something different. he referred to eisenhower's new deal and his election and 64 was a huge debacle, a huge loss. it was unprecedented so basically what i guess the loss of the fairness doctrine and when you didn't hav have to corporately approve the perspectives and you had this increased radicalization and i use that on the right, that's when it was like alright now we are going to have two different ideologies and we are going to encourage people to decrease in self segregate and we saw this in the presidential debate which would have been unthinkable in 88 when you had the candidates yelling at the moderators and screening what kind of questions are thes these this isn't what e care about. this never would have been 20 years ago because the percepti perception. now it's okay they have an agenda. they are people we have to grapple with. >> if you look at the polling data, the majority of the people that actually supported trump in 2016 also have views on immigration they are far more moderate than you

>> the goldwater ranges a national jewel. i've been there to watch the performance and it is something rarely replicable. number two at the faa, looking at the use of airspace. it is a really important matter. that block of air set-aside is really a benefit to training for the united states air force. >> thanks. i want to thank you both for your willingness to serve your country at this important time. i look forward to supporting your nomination and confirmation and i look forward to continuing to partner with you. thanks. >> thank you, senator mcsally. senator duckworth. >> thank you, mister chairman. i would like to thank both of you for being here. ms. barrett, continuing on the subject of logistics from our conversation a couple days ago, i want to get into the details with you. we talked about what we would need to position our forces across those distances. this highlights serious logistical challenges i brought up to you. our needs are significant, but they would grow even more dire. as i said, i recently traveled to

to deconstruct the administrative state harkens back to goldwater and reagan. his racism is a more overt manifestation of nixon's southern strategy and his misogyny is not surprising. moreover, his two primary accomplishments in office, a tax cut and judicial appointments are gop orthodoxy. what are the implications of this view of donald trump? is it just the politics of this era is politics as usual. donald trump views himself as more of a distraction. op-ed, toork times ophobia can be counterproductive. extent that you are inclined to this view, the problem is a modern gop. adherence to this view will be left inclined to seek alliances -- theythey will seek will see the republican party as the core of the problem. the seams largely to be the electoral strategy for people like elizabeth warren and bernie sanders. the third and final way of looking at donald trump that i want to look at is as a weak president. any 21st century president is powerful on an absolute scale ?ut how would he compare his approval rating has been underwater since the first week of his

we continue to have those discussions right until the -- until goldwater, 54 when my family went out to san francisco and -- >> host: republican convention? >> guest: republican convention. the entire family went and dad was there with rockefeller. and they lost and they had to regroup and we literally drove back across country and we literally stopped off at rockefellers ranch so he and dad could sit on the porch and say the republican party is going in a different direction, and they met in regroup. and then my dad, from that point on kind of, well, he didn't have that much longer but he voted for candidates or supported people that he felt regardless of party who he could support try what you did he pass and at what age? >> guest: he was 53. >> host: and the reason? >> guest: my dad had type i diabetes and heart disease. it runs in the males on his side. adult onset type one, and he had a massive heart attack. >> host: you had two brothers. what happened to jackie junior? >> guest: jackie died in a car accident when he was 24. >> host: and he is featured in your book what you reme

. >> goldwater ranges a national juul and i've been there to watch in performance and it is somethingthat is rarely replicable because of the airspace. for my ten years we put the faa and looking at the use of the airspace, it's really important matter. that black bear set aside is really benefit to training for the united states air force. >> great, thanks. i want to thank you both for your service and willingness. at this very important time and i look forward to supporting your nomination. i hope boy do that swiftly and i look forward to continue to partner we put you. >> thank you mr. chairman. i like to think both of you for being here. ms. barrick, continuing on the subject of logistics in our conversations, a couple of days ago. i wanted get further into the details we put you. boy talked about great power competition and the masses boy would need to position across those distances. but it's highly some seriously logistical challenges. specifically the end they know daja region. they would grow even more dire. for example, as i said i recently traveled to the pacific and i had

the way that history will judge them in this defining, deciding moment of truth, much like barry goldwater in 1974, traveling to the white house to talk to president nixon, there is that republican senator or senators who will do the right thing right now. and i think they're going to be forced to do that by their constituents. >> now, there are a lot of people who say that if you are not the nominee of the democratic party for president, that they would love to see you challenge senator cornyn in your state of texas. do you think senator cornyn would be somebody who would have the character to go to donald trump and tell him that it's time for him to resign? >> as one of his constituents here in el paso, texas, i call on senator cornyn to put this country ahead of his party, this country ahead of his loyalty to the president, this country and the future of our democracy ahead of his next election. to do the right thing, while there is still time to do the right thing for this country. whether you're a republican, a democrat, an independent, whether you care about politics at all, if you l

. >> the goldwater range is a national jewel. i have been there to watch a performance, and it is something that is rarely replicable because of the airspace. from my tenure as number two at the faa, looking at the use of airspace is an important matter. that block of air set aside is a g tofit to training the united states air force. >> i want to thank you for serving your country at this important time. i look forward to continue partnering with you. >> senator duckworth. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i want to thank both of you for being here. miss barrett, continuing on the subject of logistics from our conversation a couple of days ago, i want to get further into the details with you. we talked about great power competition and the vast distances we would need to position our forces across those distances. highlight some serious challenges i brought up to you. we spoke specifically on the indo pacific region. they wouldironment, grow even more dire. for example, i traveled to the pacific and had a chance to speak to several co

to put pressure on ukraine to go after paul manafort or let's go back to 1964 when it was barry goldwater'smical çto suggest abuse of power is happening given their track record. >> i didn't have 1964 on my bingo card. it might be in the halftime report. >> julie: adam schiff is on a mission. wants congress to get this information. they want all the information off the whistle-blower as they are entitled to by law. to come out and threaten to defund intel funds. that to me seems like you are walking into muddy waters. is that a safe and smart bet? >> there are two pieces here. the first is donald trump is in trouble for his rehe can election. the "wall street journal" came out and said 69% of voters dislike him. at 42% was george bush after at that time reina. he is seeking a foreign government. the problem for donald trump, the real crime here, is when he picked up the phone and called the president of ukraine he did it for his own political benefit. not the benefit of the united states of america. and its national security interests. that is the problem. doesn't matter who he talked abou

but at the same time, goldwater was a practical politician. he was not just a man of principle, which he was, the conscience of a conservative, but he was also a practical person. and he would have said, wait a minute now, 63 million people voted for this guy. why? what is he doing? i think that he would begin saying, well, let's see now, supreme court nomination, deregulation, tax cuts, strong military, national defense being built up, being concerned about trade that is not just free, but fair. i think barry goldwater would have applauded all those things. i'm pretty sure he would have. at the same time, he probably would have said something like, well, why didn't trump's mother wash his mouth out with soap and make him understand that we don't need a potty mouth, except goldwater would not have used the word "potty." >> host: how did you become known as a conservative historian, or the historian of the conservative? [laughter] >> guest: well, i don't think i am. i think the historian of the conservative movement is george nash. wrote a marv

i think barry goldwater would have applauded those things. at the same time, he probably would have said something like, well, why didn't trump's mother wash his mouth out with soap? and make him understand that we don't need a potty mouth, except gold whort would not have wood in the word potty. >> how did you become known as a histori' conservative or historian of the conservative movement? >> i don't think i am. i think the historian of the conservative movement is george nash. a marvelous book, called an intel leg to all history of the conservative -- intellectual history of the consecutive movement flint 1945 and that's the primer we refer to he want to no what happened. 40s, '50s, 'into the '70 asks, george mash is a marvelous, careful, painstaking, brilliant historian so i count him as the historian of the conservative movement. it so happens i have written some books and biographies and histories. so maybe i'm sort of coming up maybe from -- making my way up in this race. i didn't start out to be a historian. i really started out all