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i mean, you know, indus gordon brown,|andsave and said, gordon brown, i'll save you. kept the cost ofubsidies . private subsidies. >> essentially we've been subsidising salaries for a very long time. >> we have now the problem is because it's been going for on such time, it's now such a long time, it's now become a culture country become a culture in this country and cruel. and i think it's cruel. >> any society which >> i think any society which has a to where it's a structure to where it's acceptable not to go to work, it's acceptable not to earn your own living . it's acceptable to own living. it's acceptable to rely on the state to help you out. >> is a very bad culture. >> is a very bad culture. >> it's something i don't like because this might sound, you know, the old violins and all that, but i got my first job when i was 13 on a newspaper round, and i've literally worked every day since. and i mean that sincerely . be the greatest joy sincerely. be the greatest joy i get in life is working. a lot of people like to go work people like to go to work because it because it's produ

he built close ties with gordon brown. a pits them against his one time superior.lans in an exclusive interview with bloomberg. >> we have had five presidential terms. the people of singapore do not want a fourth walkover. i am throwing my hat into the riding -- ring so that there was a contest and the people of singapore can choose. yvonne: tomorrow he speaks about the state of singapore in politics and the recent corruption investigation and the transfer minister. donald trump says he has been notified he has a target into efforts to overturn the 2020 election results, signaling he is likely to be charged with federal crimes. trump says he received the notice from special counsel. he added he expects to be charged because such a move almost always means that an arrest. david: futures up about one point. gxa is the ticker. there was a big move up out of the most hawkish members there. not really having the need to move further. very quickly, u.k. inflation, we are still at generational highs the fact that the headline tomorrow will likely be u.k. inflation slows t

. >> the dying years of >> this is in the dying years of gordon brown's. >> empty? and it was yeah, it out. it went out. >> oh, that thing just >> oh, man, that thing just limped the line when it was auction. >> it's really sad to see. well no, liz truss would just be a sign can of like gin and tonic like not even a bottle, just a can. half drunk. yeah. okay. well let's see if we can squeeze this one in. >> we've got the telegraph with a very british dispute over watering flower pots. dan, we've only got maybe 45 seconds. >> okay. >> okay. >> hanging baskets are scrapped for being biodiverse enough for not being biodiverse enough . salisbury . so councillors in salisbury have been accused of virtue signalling because they want to bnngin signalling because they want to bring in different ways of bringing spaces into bringing green spaces into salisbury and they're saying that hanging are not that the hanging baskets are not biodiverse because the biodiverse enough because the climate changing climate is changing and so they're about bringing climate is changing and s

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we�*rejoined now by lord hain, labour peer and a former secretary of state under tony blair and gordon brownr frankie leach, who was an advisor to former party leaderjeremy corbyn. welcome to you. frankie leach, do you think keir starmer should be setting out a more radical agenda? he absolutely should be. it was interesting to see my former colleague andrew fisher earlier talking about essentially how the labour party has reneged on what we consider its more radical commitments, whether renationalising energy, trying to end the hostile environment we have seen for immigrants and migrants and asylum—seekers and i think the labour party is right when it analyses the fact we are in a fiscal emergency but what i am concerned about is if we take away the investment from things like public sector and we take away the investment for people who are on the breadline already suffering without offering radical policies like rent control or giving people who is well needed public sector pay rises, what the labour party is doing is not putting much clear water between them and the conservatives. what pu

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in gordon brown's opinion, he said he did not feel like he could speak out publicly because it wouldne the integrity and independence of the bank. so it is likely these conversations will just happen behind the scenes. lizzy: the coolest reporter, i can see a surfboard in the background there. thank you for that. elsewhere in monetary policy, don't miss the ecb rate decision on bloomberg tv at 1:15 p.m. u.k. time, followed by the press conference at 1:45 p.m. u.k. time. we will have a slew of interviews to bring you throughout the morning. we will speak to the shell ceo, and don't forget our conversation with the volkswagen ceo, coming just after 8:00 a.m. u.k. time. also we will speak with the mercedes ceo. of next we have markets today. this is bloomberg. ♪

she famously gordon brown are wanted . fiona gordon brown are wanted. fiona phillips in his cab. in labour circles. so i could imagine an her becoming almost one of those game changing forces perhaps in this country behind what we understand about alzheimer's. >> yeah, i can i can absolutely see that. and i think there's something incredibly noble when something incredibly noble when something that dreadful happens to you about to make the to you about trying to make the best it, even though there best of it, even though there isn't really a best, but it does kind put into context kind of put into context when everything few weeks everything blew up a few weeks ago, honestly. so tiny ago, i mean, honestly. so tiny and so stupid and petty comparative kyiv to when you're deahng comparative kyiv to when you're dealing with actual real life dealing with an actual real life human and that story about human drama and that story about gordon brown that broke at my birthday party did it? >> yeah. well, she was there with martin and she told i'm not going to say who it was , has going to

she famously gordon brown are wanted . fiona gordon brown are wanted. fiona phillips in his cab. circles. so i could imagine an her becoming almost one of those game changing forces perhaps in this country behind what we understand about alzheimer's. >> yeah, i can i can absolutely see that. and i think there's something incredibly noble when something incredibly noble when something that dreadful happens to you about to make the to you about trying to make the best it, even though there best of it, even though there isn't really a best, but it does kind put into context kind of put into context when everything few weeks everything blew up a few weeks ago, honestly. so tiny ago, i mean, honestly. so tiny and so stupid and petty comparative kyiv to when you're deaung comparative kyiv to when you're dealing with actual real life dealing with an actual real life human and that story about human drama and that story about gordon brown that broke at my birthday party did it? >> yeah. well, she was there with martin and she told i'm not going to say who it was , has going to say who it

gordon wood was a history professor at brown at the time. and david bid at all these guys kept talking. gordon he wrote a lot about it. if you go back and read his book this place had a lot of wild come widely different views. it's always been likeat that. that's why it works because it chops them up and sorts them out over time. we have to be careful that we don't do things but i think, that set. if you go back to the heart of your question, which is the first part of it is about we as companies strive things that are important to our customers or teammates, our shareholders and that is the societal part. we can't be strong in cleveland was cleveland is strong. we're just going to reflect. our job is to make it stronger what we do about jobs or around even the arts is geared towards helping peoplee understand the value of the arts. there's a a great quote attrid to winston churchill which, like all winston churchill things, they may it's a 20% of them but everyone thinks he said 100% of them. he's going into part of entering the red box pres

i was in american history major and i had the great fortune of arriving with gordon brown, a popular history professor at the time. david bailey, all these guys. gordon wrote a lot about it. even in the founding, this place had a lot of wildly different views. it has always been like that. that is why it works. it chops them up and source them out over time. we have to be careful that we don't do things, but going back to the heart of your question, we as companies strive for things important to our shareholders and customers. we cannot be strong in cleveland unless cleveland is strong. what we do around jobs or the arts is geared toward helping people understand the value of the arts. there is a great quote attributed to winston churchill. like all winston churchill things, he may have said 20% of it. he's going into parliament and carrying the red box and presenting the budget or whatever it is. they are getting bombed and spending every dollar on rationing and everything is going to the war effort. someone says let's cut funding for the art museums. he basically said, what are we f

may be the left direction, that was gordon brown's mission.— brown's mission.ss, | good morning._ tricky good morning. good morning. tricky one for politicians, _ good morning. good morning. tricky one for politicians, a _ good morning. good morning. tricky one for politicians, a complicated i one for politicians, a complicated issue for people. is one for politicians, a complicated issue for people.— issue for people. is extremely complicated — issue for people. is extremely complicated and _ issue for people. is extremely complicated and i _ issue for people. is extremely complicated and i should - issue for people. is extremely l complicated and i should prefix issue for people. is extremely - complicated and i should prefix my comments with, i've been a member of the labour party for nearly 40 years and i think sir keir starmer this morning absolutely struggled to answer that gender recognition question. in answer that gender recognition cuestion. . ., , answer that gender recognition cuestion. . �* , m question. in what way? because... he mentioned the — q

and there was a great surge of excitement and it put gordon brown off an immediate election.f you remember. so that was for three years. that sort of meant the election didn't happen because of this . didn't happen because of this. and then george osborne again went on about this after he was chancellor so they try it on because people just think, oh, great tax cuts. >> but i mean, they do need to provide something that tories can kind of cling on to because i find it funny, they talk in this language of it needs to be a retail offer. well, it just needs to be a conservative policy that might be in danger of actually encouraging people to for them. i mean, john, to vote for them. i mean, john, i slightly desperate, i mean, it's slightly desperate, isn't it? >> well, the trouble is >> well, i think the trouble is they seem to connected they seem to be more connected with with the opinion polls with with what the opinion polls are and what the people are saying and what the people say to various say in answer to various questions focus groups. that questions in focus groups. th

, tony people like gordon brown, tony blair and being accused of constant flip flopping.ere do labour stand on these things? they're going to come under a lot more scrutiny as they get closer to an election and possibly being in government . there's going to be, i think, a lot more criticism and focus on what they're doing . on what they're doing. >> and quickly, we're seeing a big problem in the wall. big problem in the blue wall. these kind of remainer these are the kind of remainer tories that are drawn towards the liberal democrats . that's the liberal democrats. that's what happens certainly in somerton shropshire and somerton in north shropshire and in the tories in tiverton. how do the tories woo those people back? because going issues going harder on the eco issues won't going harder on won't land well, going harder on immigration land immigration perhaps won't land well what something like well, what about something like the , though? the inheritance tax, though? let's are older, let's face it, these are older, more people in places more affluent people in places

the then prime minister gordon brown put it forward for debate, citing europe, america and asia, saying the coalition govermment at an initial estimated cost of £33 billion. 11 years on, the department for transport�*s latest estimate is £71 billion for a scaled back scheme. to date, government figures put the spend so far at almost £25 billion. now the ipa, the infrastructure projects authority, which advises the government on infrastructure and major construction projects, has raised a red flag on hs2, saying it is not achievable. here's sima. the route for hs2 was first put forward by a labour government in 2010. two years later, under the tory—lib dem coalition government, it was announced that a new high speed railway line to improve connectivity in england would be built in two phases. several years after that, the project was given royal assent, even though some living along the line were protesting. the plan is to provide high speed rail links between london and major cities in the midlands and the north of england. and here's how it's supposed to work. phase 1 will run from lon

then it was gordon brown he was gordon brown when he was chancellor labour.been something. like 2008, two thousand and seven, when he encouraged all of us to get diesel cars. >> oh, that was a scandal. >> oh, that was a scandal. >> it was a scandal. >> it was a scandal. >> and he actually even made diesel cars cheaper to buy. he did. >> he took the tax off a litre of diesel. that was it. to make it more attractive, i could have told him because i worked in a petrol station as a kid when i was 15 years of age. every weekend that diesel is filthy , weekend that diesel is filthy, you know what i mean? it's gritty and it's not like oil. it's like slurry . it's like slurry. >> it's a very cheap it's a very cheap fuel. >> i bet you've never owned a diesel mike. >> oh, i have. one of my mercedes is diesel, actually. really? >> one of my. >> one of my. >> sorry. yeah >> sorry. yeah >> new patrick mike the jay leno of surrey . of surrey. >> yeah. >> yeah. and >> yeah. and the >> yeah. and the problem >> yeah. and the problem is actually, you have to always make sure y

then it was gordon brown he was gordon brown when he was chancellor labour.been something. like 2008, two thousand and seven, when he encouraged all of us to get diesel cars. >> oh, that was a scandal. >> oh, that was a scandal. >> it was a scandal. >> it was a scandal. >> and he actually even made diesel cars cheaper to buy. he did. >> he took the tax off a litre of diesel. that was it. to make it more attractive, i could have told him because i worked in a petrol station as a kid when i was 15 years of age. every weekend that diesel is filthy , weekend that diesel is filthy, you know what i mean? it's gritty and it's not like oil. it's like slurry . it's like slurry. >> it's a very cheap it's a very cheap fuel. >> i bet you've never owned a diesel mike. >> oh, i have. one of my mercedes is diesel, actually. really? >> one of my. >> one of my. >> sorry. yeah >> sorry. yeah >> new patrick mike the jay leno of surrey . of surrey. >> yeah. >> yeah. and >> yeah. and the >> yeah. and the problem >> yeah. and the problem is actually, you have to always make sure y

and gordon brown got fritz. he was terrified.. why, at the time ? why? because people don't time? why? because people don't like it if leaders are afraid to go to the polls. so the reason this polls well, even though it only affects under 4% of deaths a year is because a lot of people wrongly and that is an important word here wrongly think it will or might affect them. it won't. okay. it's worth pointing out, though, that some of liberal democracies on of those liberal democracies on the planet are the types that you really look you would no doubt really look up to be place like up to aspire to be a place like canada, new zealand , norway have canada, new zealand, norway have 0% inherit tax. so maybe we could learn something from them . let's move now, gents, to . let's move on now, gents, to another story that's been doing the rounds today. this idea, and i'll start with you, peter, of mickey mouse degrees, a feeling that there are too many students doing pointless degrees. they're getting into debt, £44 getting massively into

, wae-rtgnt tn— gordon brown, believe it or not, was-right in what- gordon brown, believe it or not,y kerb their views. well, yes .— probably kerb their views. well, yee , tecaee— probably kerb their views. well, yes , because wonder, yes, because you do wonder, ten-t— yes, because you do wonder, tent-ant— yes, because you do wonder, don't-and peter,- yes, because you do wonder,i don't-and peter, you're don't you? and peter, you're right say we have the right to say we don't have the details yorkshire building details about yorkshire building society vicar, who had society and this vicar, who had he wondered why there were so many pride flags. we're told it's reported in in the branches of the yorkshire building society. have the society. we don't have the details that, but these banks details on that, but these banks will start to now about will start to worry now about having bud light moment, having their bud light moment, won't remind what the won't they remind you what the bud light was fully charged? bud light was fully charged? bud line by line. very popular. us beer. and they

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lawson, a labour party member for 44 years and who has worked for or closely with tony blair, gordon brownve a point? i think it is worrying when it reaches the kind of soft left mainstream elements of the labour party. clearly a party needs discipline and the people are acting around the anti—semitism issue than those things must be dealt with. but i am a pluralist and i like working with people across the whole party and outside of the labour party to build a better country. and if they come for me then i'm not quite sure who is safe. you cannot go to government wanting to change the country if you mps are scared and your activists are scared. they should be a feeling of hope and optimism and desire to build a different country and everyone at the moment is looking over their shoulder.— over their shoulder. having been a labour over their shoulder. having been a labour party _ over their shoulder. having been a labour party member _ over their shoulder. having been a labour party member for - over their shoulder. having been a labour party member for 40 i over their shoulder. having been

committee was first formed 1997, you and i have formed in 1997, you and i have disagreed with gordon brown over the years, but at monetary policy at least the monetary policy committee had genuine high calibre, highly intellectual, streetwise thought calibre, highly intellectual, streetwithe thought calibre, highly intellectual, streetwithe box thought calibre, highly intellectual, streetwithe box . thought calibre, highly intellectual, streetwithe box . these thought calibre, highly intellectual, streetwithe box . these people ht outside the box. these people aren't household but . aren't household names, but. they're well known within economics, and they had the licence to do and say things that weren't kind of sanctioned. they weren't the normal suspects. got sort of suspects. now we've got sort of plain economists on plain vanilla economists on the bank of england's monetary policy committee, and there's a lack of diverse city of lack of proper, diverse city of cognitive which cognitive opinion, an which is why think bank of england why i think the bank of england was behind the curve.

i mean, i remember when gordon brown was going to call snap election going to call his snap election he was prime minister george this george osborne made this big announcement george osborne made this big announ(the3nt george osborne made this big announ(the conservatives tax and the conservatives went up persuaded up in the polls and persuaded gordon call an gordon brown not to call an election. it a is it a vote? election. is it a is it a vote? is it a vote winner, do you think, or not? think it's think, or not? i think it's a major vote winner. major potential vote winner. >> all, because people major potential vote winner. >> realisingll, because people major potential vote winner. >> realising thatzcause people major potential vote winner. >> realising that lots;e people major potential vote winner. >> realising that lots of people are realising that lots of people surprised they people are surprised when they realise their for realise their parents, for example, have example, when their parents have sadly they're sadly passed away and they're deaung sadly passed away and they'

socialist model, which the concern lviv government's done for the last 13 years, and tony blair before gordon brown that, you up before that, you end up effectively with everyone , one effectively with everyone, one feeling dependent on the state. and once that happens, you create quite a sort of underclass . and so in the underclass. and so in the pursuit of equal outcomes , what pursuit of equal outcomes, what we've done is break what we already had learned at vast cost in the 1980s was was the right model , which in the 1980s was was the right model, which is an aspirational all western capitalist anglo—saxon approach to life . anglo—saxon approach to life. and we need to find our way back to that. we need to create equal opportunities , not equal outcomes. >> do you trace it back to tony blair? i think i very much do. i do, absolutely. >> tony blair and you know, he he who has not gone away, let's remember, he is still now working very hard on the globalist agenda that we know in agenda 23. >> he's right there. >> he's right there. >> all the agendas which i oppose, he's at the heart of and if

it used to be an adviser to gordon brown, and he's been onoeooenei— gordon brown, and he's been threatened mp who defected. i know. they've got somebody know. so they've got somebody who stood for the conservatives in that's fine . and in 2019. that's fine. and attacked labour- in 2019. that's fine. and attacked labour in- “ �*ql �*7 and attacked labour in the most wiowieno— attacked labour in the most virulent terms— attacked labour in the most virulent terms when he did. yesi_ virulent terms when he did. wee. oneoe-e— virulent terms when he did. yes, there's-real-tol yes, there's no real logic to it. no, i'm quite sure there wiii— it. no, i'm quite sure there wiii ie— it. no, i'm quite sure there will be tactical— c no, i'm quite sure there will be tactical voting. keir soooneo— will be tactical voting. keir starmer will— will be tactical voting. keir starmer will be _ will be tactical voting. keir starmer will be doing some with the starmer will be doing some with one-oene— starmer will be doing some with the-dems across.— starmer will be doing some with the dems across. already the lib

unemployment went up after the financial it was a it financial crash and it was a it was higher under gordon brownw. >> so at the end of the last tony blair was unemployment, unemployment lower unemployment higher or lower than the end of blair. >> it was about the same as now, i suspect, because tony blair's premiership of low premiership was the start of low unemployment moment. unemployment at the moment. >> not necessarily >> but that's not necessarily a good thing. economic more >> but that's not necessarily a g01a thing. economic more >> but that's not necessarily a g01a result. economic more >> but that's not necessarily a g01a result of :onomic more >> but that's not necessarily a g01a result of the mic more >> but that's not necessarily a g01a result of the fact more >> but that's not necessarily a g01a result of the fact thatnore as a result of the fact that we've amounts of we've got huge amounts of vacancies. with tony vacancies. the problem with tony blair that he does mean, blair is that he does i mean, talk the nanny state talk about the nanny state measures. he banned measures. i m

unemployment went up after the financial it was a it financial crash and it was a it was higher under gordon brownw. >> so at the end of the last tony blair was unemployment, unemployment lower unemployment higher or lower than the end of blair. >> it was about the same as now, i suspect, because tony blair's premiership of low premiership was the start of low unemployment moment. unemployment at the moment. >> not necessarily >> but that's not necessarily a good thing. economic more >> but that's not necessarily a g01a thing. economic more >> but that's not necessarily a g01a result. economic more >> but that's not necessarily a g01a result of :onomic more >> but that's not necessarily a g01a result of the mic more >> but that's not necessarily a g01a result of the fact more >> but that's not necessarily a g01a result of the fact thatnore as a result of the fact that we've amounts of we've got huge amounts of vacancies. with tony vacancies. the problem with tony blair that he does mean, blair is that he does i mean, talk the nanny state talk about the nanny state measures. he banned measures. i m

well, that's what gordon brown did. >> behind in >> gordon brown was behind in the in the run up to 2010 up to 2010 and everyone was saying, you're and everyone was saying, you're a street, a squatter in downing street, when this when are you going to call this election? it to the election? and he left it to the last that he last possible moment so that he could prime minister for could be a prime minister for three rishi sunak three years. would rishi sunak thinking would three years. would rishi sunak thinking to would three years. would rishi sunak thinking to sort would three years. would rishi sunak thinking to sort of would three years. would rishi sunak thinking to sort of stretchiould three years. would rishi sunak thinking to sort of stretch outi he want to sort of stretch out his time in downing street for as possible? might he as long as possible? or might he think, to throw in think, oh, i'm going to throw in the towel here? this is just too difficult. these bad difficult. i hate all these bad headlines. move back headlines. i want to move back to perhaps. to sunny california

and more importantly , gordon brown importantly, gordon brown wouldn't give him the money, which was ndered why the hull shines so much, the rivets do not show because they put the rivets inside the inside the ship. so they don't show on the back, on they don't show on the back, on the outside . and it shone like the outside. and it shone like a mirror. and of course, it was a very valuable tool to diplomacy. and it was, of course, a home from home away . from home away. >> and there you are. >> and there you are. >> you see the queen she piped a tear when it was decommissioned at leith in edinburgh , which i at leith in edinburgh, which i know quite well . i think she know quite well. i think she wasn't crying for herself . she wasn't crying for herself. she wasn't crying for herself. she was crying for all the fantastic memories that she'd had . and the memories that she'd had. and the ship was commissioned two days before her father died , and it before her father died, and it was delivered just before the coronation in 1953, which was pretty good turnaround for a yard up in glasgo

i mean, she puts she makes gordon brown look exciting, but start verdict.d talk about credibility. and that's that's a problem starmer has got he has a credibility problem because he got himself elected as leader , appealing to elected as leader, appealing to the far left and that got him elected. and now he's trying to transition to the centre ground of politics. and so he's flip flopping on a whole range of issues. it was not long ago they were both promising. reeves and starmer to borrow £28 billion a year to invest in a green plan. and now they're trying to roll back from that. so we don't really know what he stands for. and that's an issue that's going to more and we to come out more and more as we get closer general election. >> yeah, well, what do you think about this about his performance on tv this morning? on what morning? not being led on what kind rises the public morning? not being led on what kind wouldises the public morning? not being led on what kind would accrue? public morning? not being led on what kind would accrue? lookc morning? not b

and we'll move later on in, in our conversation onto the gordon brown scenario, which is a very interestingsian nonsense. >> yes, russian funding, russian backing and all that. and that's all just a smear, complete smear. >> smear. >> but what is the electoral commission do the day before the election, they put it out the night before that they're going to visiting offices to to be visiting the offices to have at illegal have a look at illegal donations. that's what they found. absolutely nothing. yes and you know, it was this approach that was throughout any official organisation towards it's amazing you got it off the ground at all. >> can we talk about nigel's role in it all? i mean, how pivotal was he and does he need to get more involved in reform as the brexit party is now known ? >> 7- >> that's a ? >> that's a decision 7 >> that's a decision that he will make. i know, but me , i am will make. i know, but me, i am rocket fuel. yeah he is. he is rocket fuel. yeah he is. he is rocket fuel. yeah he is. he is rocket fuel. look nigel has a following of about 5 million people like it or li

i mean, she puts she makes gordon brown look exciting, but start verdict.nd talk about credibility. and that's that's a problem starmer has got he has a credibility problem because he got himself elected as leader , appealing to elected as leader, appealing to the far left and that got him elected. and now he's trying to transition to the centre ground of politics. and so he's flip flopping on a whole range of issues. it was not long ago they were both promising. reeves and starmer to borrow £28 billion a year to invest in a green plan. and now they're trying to roll back from that. so we don't really know what he stands for. and that's an issue that's going to more and as we to come out more and more as we get a general election. >> yeah, well, what do think >> yeah, well, what do you think about tv this about his performance on tv this morning? on what morning? not being led on what kind rises public kind of pay rises the public sector look the sector would accrue? look the best to judge keir starmer best way to judge keir starmer performance with huge re

well this is basically the gordon brown, tony blair playbook from 1997 when we were terrified. >> thes those of us in the labour party is the accusation that the labour party spends money and the conservative party creates money therefore had money and therefore we had to show we were fiscally show that we were fiscally responsible. and this is responsible. and i think this is a example. the british a good example. the british economy the is economy at the moment is tanking. a terrible tanking. it is in a terrible state and the next general election housing is going to be the huge because housing the huge issue because housing mortgages, the the huge issue because housing morissue s, the the huge issue because housing morissue . the the huge issue because housing morissue . what the the huge issue because housing morissue . what we the the huge issue because housing morissue . what we have the the huge issue because housing morissue . what we have to :he the huge issue because housing morissue . what we have to do is big issue. what we have to do is to ensure that we actually have int

i've been , i've been i've been a been, i've been i've been a labour member under tony blair and gordon brown. she was deputy leader and you're staying put. i'm not going anywhere. >> thank you . thank you very >> thank you. thank you very much indeed forjoining us. >> now, a spate of recent events has led to questions as to whether britain is still a christian society . christian society. >> last week, a pro—life group were prevented from attending york minster and the archbishop of york has described the opening of the lord's prayer as problematic. a conservative council has also been suspended for calling pride a sin of the christian faith. >> are christian beliefs still competing with modern society in britain? well, joining us now to discuss is dieppe discuss this is tim dieppe spokesman christian concern spokesman for christian concern . so, tim, thanks for joining us. do you worry that being a christian now incompatible christian is now incompatible all with british society ? thank you. >> i think it's become sadly socially acceptable. it seems to discriminate against christians in our

we sank into this industry because of their mistakes back in the gordon brown days back in 22,000 tok that we should be quite tough on them . its entirely tough on them. its entirely right to say she shouldn't be an adviser to the prime minister. the prime minister doesn't need advice from people who take such advice from people who take such a prejudicial view of the world, i'm afraid. >> and just finally, david, very briefly, time briefly, under pressure on time , nigel farage gunning for , nigel farage is gunning for more . should chief executive more. should the chief executive of coutts bank itself , more. should the chief executive of coutts bank itself, mr flavour, go or even the managing director, camilla stoll , who director, camilla stoll, who looked after nigel nigel's bank account and was a remainer and was pretty pretty hostile to him from the beginning . from the beginning. >> whoever was responsible for the original decision, i think their jobs at risk. the original decision, i think theirjobs at risk. i'm not quite with nigel trying to wipe out the entire senior manag

it peculiar because we were to told buy diesels ten, 15 years ago by the labour government, the gordon brown a pittance for them, they'll get a pittance for them because they don't reach them because they don't reach the compliance criteria . the ulez compliance criteria. petroleum cars, generally speaking , generally speaking, speaking, generally speaking, petrol 2004 onwards will petrol cars 2004 onwards will pass, but a 2014 diesel won't pass, but a 2014 diesel won't pass. pass, but a 2014 diesel won't pass . it's counter—intuitive, pass. it's counter—intuitive, isn't it ? so yeah, i do agree. i isn't it? so yeah, i do agree. i think the future really. i wish there would be some sort of compromise because invariably we're going to talk in the future months about the 2030 deadune future months about the 2030 deadline for petrol and diesel cars.i deadline for petrol and diesel cars. i think there should be some compromise where you're still petrol, still allowed to buy petrol, hybnd still allowed to buy petrol, hybrid the rules should hybrid cars and the rules should be you're in town or a

back at the legislation that tony blair put in his his and his subsequent administration under gordon browndded in the companies act 2006, the requirement for directors to have an eye on the environment . have an eye on the environment. and with the net zero agenda a completely already firmly in place. back in 2006, tony blair is squarely part of the problem, which i see as an emasculation, as a direct emasculation of the british economy in the pursuit of what is unsettled science and by the way, jim, the only thing laymen have to go by by is their weather app. you know, when you see on mainstream media, the entire continent of europe painted in various shades of red telling us that this is some kind of crisis right across europe and in england. and i was in england at the time and it certainly was not boiling over. when you have the head of the un saying this is not global warming, this is global boiling. some with a degree of some of us with a degree of scepticism, been scepticism, having been accustomed to politicians, mainstream media and other outlets not telling the whole truth , you

or gordon brown being able to phones being able to throw phones across the office.se don't stick really, because they're beyond what the day to day of politics, the people actually care about. and when the issues that are facing the country so big, right. the country are so big, right. the economy, health service, economy, the health service, immigration, this is just this is non—story that, you know, is a non—story that, you know, political geeks like us like to talk but it won't move talk about, but it won't move like i feel a like that because i feel a slight, slight burning sense of injustice that there's not because you could you could make loads of this. >> you could i mean, obviously, we're talking about it now and all but the meat you all of that. but if the meat you really wanted to, could go really wanted to, they could go absolutely on this absolutely massive on this and make life very make keir starmer's life very very but of very uncomfortable. but of course they're not going to do that. look, thank you very, very much. really enjoy our much. i really d

we have built more homes in our time in office than the labour party did under tony blair and gordon brown to the implementation of our plan. the steps the prime minister and chancellor have taken to control public spending and borrowing and are broader fiscal spending and borrowing policy is working and inflation is coming down but we need to maintain the discipline which is why the proposals of the labour party to borrow an additional £28 billion every year, theirfailure borrow an additional £28 billion every year, their failure to support sustainable pay settlements under policy of unilateral energy disarmament are so dangerous. each is inflationary and together they would be the ingredients of an acid which would corrode the foundations of economic recovery. instead, underpinning our long—term plan for economic recovery is a long—term plan for housing. the first and most important component of that is our programme of urban regeneration and a new inner—city renaissance. renaissance because we want to ensure our cities have all the ingredients for success that we identified in our level

than our predecessors, stronger than our predecessors, stronger under labour under tony blair and gordon brownmanchester, wolverhampton and sheffield and elsewhere. in wolverhampton and sheffield and elsewhere. ., , wolverhampton and sheffield and elsewhere. . , ., elsewhere. in cambridge, the local conservative _ elsewhere. in cambridge, the local conservative mp _ elsewhere. in cambridge, the local conservative mp in _ elsewhere. in cambridge, the local conservative mp in cambridge - elsewhere. in cambridge, the local conservative mp in cambridge is i conservative mp in cambridge is against these plans. can your party deliver when there is so much disagreement within the conservatives about how to go ahead? are right. the individual mp in south cambridgeshire has expressed concerns, which are principally about water, which is understandable. we believe what we have set up will be able to resolve that question possibly with a new reservoir and appropriate infrastructure. i am convinced we can take him and others with us. the business leaders, scientific leaders vital to cambridge's future hav

that was the remit was there given by gordon brown. anything to cause a riot. police get tough or do anything to cause a riot.- police-get tough or the police need to get tough or the nnaae— police need to get tough or the nnan country— police need to get tough or the whole country will— police need to get tough or the whole country will go up in flames— whole country will go up in flames .— whole country will go up in flames . well,— whole country will go up in flames . well, sandra, that's flames. well, sandra, that's already—.- flames. well, sandra, that's already_. they're already happening. they're nonna— already happening. they're nosing-ans- already happening. they're looting the kind of looting stalls. the kind of breakdown _ looting stalls. the kind of breakdown of— looting stalls. the kind of breakdown of racial tensions is n— breakdown of racial tensions is it seems— breakdown of racial tensions is now, it seems, is— breakdown of racial tensions is now, it seems, is about getting a ease— now, it seems, is about getting a gucci

of it and actually , if you remember, many actually, if you remember, many years ago, i think gordon browncampaign about alzheimer's and dementia , what alzheimer's and dementia, what you should do about it and talked about her father having it and it is really worth reading the whole of the interview because a lot of it her husband has to fill in the facts . i mean, she can't facts. i mean, she can't remember she can remember being in the doctor's office when he said, you've got alzheimer's. but all all the things before because they thought it was the menopause and they hoped it was and the hrt would cure it. and you have this woman, i mean, who who, you know, was known on tv was bright sparky, wonderful all. and she's now going downhill. she is she is on a trial for drugs that might work . the problem with trials is you don't know if you're on the real drug or if you're on the placebo. so they don't know. and we just have to hope and we have to remember that actually we need to do something about alzheimer's. >> it's just such a cruel illness because it takes away all your memories, all

represent the elected in 2010 to represent the constituent under constituent ac of rochdale under gordon brownat picture than he does here. i'm sorry about that, simon. just sorry about that, simon. i just thought, is that? is that thought, who is that? is that the same person? the same? the same person? is it the same? oh, even more hair oh, there he is. even more hair there can under this. there. i can talk under this. i'm tell you i'm bald, simon. i'll tell you that. served that. now. now, simon served as the for rochdale for the labour mp for rochdale for over years. he's most over seven years. he's most notable spearheading an notable for spearheading an investigation historic investigation into historic allegations abuse allegations of child abuse against . and they against politicians. and they even an expose entitled even wrote an expose entitled smile for the camera the double life of cyril smith . for his life of cyril smith. for his efforts, he was awarded a campaigner of the year. well, i'm pleased to say that simon, as joins me now. as you know, joins me now. simon, very much. as

the kind of rows )er exactly the same kind of rows that tony blair and brown that tony blair and gordon brown before that landslide. >> i'm not saying it's going to be it's similar be a landslide, but it's similar to just know that you to and they just know that you know, noise off usual know, noise is off the usual suspects saying suspects making a row saying betrayal doesn't betrayal, betrayal. it doesn't do harm at all. actually. do any harm at all. actually. it gets people to listen and look at again in maybe for the at labour again in maybe for the first time and think about voting labour based on this economic responsibility. >> do you think that is >> do you think that labour is ready to rule? >> , i do. i mean, we've been >> yes, i do. i mean, we've been out of power for a long time, but i there are some but i think there are some really people now in the really good people now in the shadow real shadow cabinet and some real grown the room. grown ups now in the room. i think. starmer i know think think. starmer i know we think he's i wouldn't he's boring. i wouldn't necessarily pint w

, would put this derek, would you put this squarely at feet of gordon squarely at the feet of gordon brown'sancial regulation away from the financial services themselves or let them let them regulate themselves? well they don't regulate themselves. >> there's the financial conduct authority and there's , of authority and there's, of course, the bank of england and the bank england is really the bank of england is really the bank of england is really the regulator there because the lead regulator there because it together with the chancellor of the exchequer , they appoint of the exchequer, they appoint the of financial the chairman of the financial conduct authority, and it's their job conduct authority, and it's theirjob supervise the banks their job to supervise the banks and how they conduct their work. i mean, i think that we must all understand that being in the banking sector, particularly the retail banking sector, is a very fragile business and it entirely turns on consumer confidence and the risk in all this is that consumer confidence is lost all around. >> yeah, right. around. >>