celine gounder, health and host of the epidemic podcast. dr.under, does the president timeline, as he laid it out, make sense? >> ana, i think we will have a vaccine approved later this calendar year. but to say that it's going to be widely available to the general public is just deceiving the general public. a more realistic timeline, which has been laid out, also, by dr. fauci at nih, by dr. redfield at cdc, is more along the lines of having the vaccine widely available towards the end of the spring, around may. and that we would be doing mass vaccination between may and the end of the summer, say, august. so, to say that this is going to be available tomorrow essentially and that we're going to be able to vaccinate everybody right away is just -- is unrealistic. >> a pew research poll out this week says only 51% would be willing to get a vaccine. that's a 21% drop from may. now, if that's still the number when we get a vaccine, will it even be effective? >> and that's a great point because if you don't have the population widely vaccinated,

gounder, you hear mr. atlas now inside the white house, perhaps the most influential perhap on the president. the projection says more to double the death toll between now and the end of the year and he dr. fauci in disagreement saying we have turned the corner. >> by the way, we are rounding the corner. we are rounding the corner on the virus. >> i'm not sure what he means. certain states are doing well in the sense that the case numbers are coming down. our concern right now is that there are a number of states, particularly, for example, the dakotas, montana, michigan, minnesota and others who are starting to have an uptick. >> you got 12 states with a positivity rate tracking a week now back above 10% in double digits. you have got -- keep looking at the other states with cases trending up. have we rounded the corner? we have a baseline of 40,000, new infections a day. >> the least reliable forecaster coming to this pandemic is the president. he said this will go away with the summer weather, it did no

cnn medical analyst celine gounder is joining us. dr. gounder, why does the number keep increasing and what needs to be done right now to reach a best case scenario? >> well, ana, the numbers keep increasing because we still have not contained transmission of the coronavirus. our numbers are unacceptably high for a developed nation. if you compare us to countries like canada or south korea, we have twice as many deaths for the size of our population as canada, 100 times as many deaths as south korea and it's because we haven't gotten our act together on the basics like mask wearing and social distancing. >> the cdc says the covid-19 death rate is under 1%. for everyone except people over 70. so could we potentially implement a strategic shelter in place strategy with low risk groups, you know, allowed to go out, the high risk groups told to stay in? >> well, there's two major problems with that. one is that people over the age of 70 don't all live together on an island separate from everybody else. we do interact with people over the age

gounder is a former assistant new york city commissioner of health. we have had many sad conversations over six months, 200,000 americans lost, again, huntsville, alabama, salt lake city, grand rapids, michigan, gone. somebody's son or daughter or a spouse, somebody's partner. listen to the president of the united states last night who seems to me this is callous saying the people that died, they had problems anyway. >> now we know it. it affects elderly people, elderly people with heart problems and other problems. if they have other problems. that's what it really affects. that's it. in some states thousands of people, nobody young. below the age of 18, like nobody. it affects. virtually nobody. it is an amazing thing. >> i don't have words for that. i'm not sure if you do. >> john, i think this is one of the greatest tragedies in american history, not least because these 200,000 deaths, those deaths were preventible. we have had the means to control the virus. we have had the tools, we haven't had the resolve. other countries made use of the tools,

celine gounder, the commissioner of health in new york city and a cnn medical analyst. good to have you back. on this model, i know it is one of the more aggressive ones out there, just in terms of projections. but again, it predicts that the death rate could reach nearly 3,000 a day. a day. by december. and researchers say partly because of the declining vigilance of the public, folks not wearing face coverings. what do you make of those numbers? >> i think the important thing to remember, brooke, is that no model is perfect. it is sort of like trying to place chess against a chess grand master, how many moves ahead could you predict. and things will change in the interim. so i think where models are helpful is in helping us figure out how much do certain interventions impact transmission and deaths. and clearly the ihme model does show if you were to have 95% of the population wearing masks, aas opposed to the 50% wearing them now, you could half the death rate between now and december. so the message is we all need to go back to wearing masks. >> especially into the

gounder, thank you so much for joining us. i do want to take a turn now and let's go to shanksville, pennsylvania, where former vice president joe biden is there honoring this somber day 9/11 and those who were lost there in pennsylvania. i want to bring in ryan nobles. he is traveling with biden. ryan, what are we expecting today and just tell us about this day in jn and how the former vice president is paying his respect. >> reporter: yeah. this is of course a very special day in pennsylvania, brianna. this is the side where united flight 93 crashed on 9/11, the 40 passengers and crew on board taking it upon themselves to overtake the hijackers and crash the plane in a field preventing an enormous loss of life believing it was going to the capitol and what we have seen is president trump who was here earlier today for remarks in the formal ceremony and now former vice president joe biden paying respects. from what we have seen from biden's visit here it is much more low key as part of the formal ceremony. the president gave

celine gounder. thank you for joining us and all that you do. >> my pleasure. >> this country has lost nearly 200,000 americans to covid-19 and yet we can't apparently rely on the cdc for reliable guidance on how contagious and deadly this virus is after the cdc abruptly reversed new guidelines on monday on airborne transmission claiming it was posted in error. what is going on here? >> rosemary, this is new old news. we've been saying as scientists since february, march, that this is likely at least in part transmitted through aerosols, that it's airborne. the real debate that we're still having is to what degree is it droplet born versus airborne. big picture, the measures we need to be controlling the spread of the virus remain the same. it remains that the facemasks, it remains social distancing although at a minimum six feet, not only six feet. the other new old news here is that the cdc continues to have mixed messaging on the science, and i'm not sure, actually, whether this was through politi

celine gounder. good to have you here with us and happy labor day weekend.stay well and enjoy. >>> all right, up to 40 million americans could face evictions during the pandemic. as cnn saw in houston, no one is being spared, not the elderly, not those with young children. this emotional report and how you can help next. i'm hector. i'm a delivery operations manager in san diego, california. we were one of the first stations to pilot a fleet of electric vehicles. we're striving to deliver a package with zero emissions into the air. i feel really proud of the impact that has on the environment. we have two daughters and i want to do everything i can to protect the environment so hopefully they can have a great future. >>> this next story is one you have to see, and it is worth watching again. they are just some of the faces behind the economic suffering happening across the country right now. people are literally getting kicked out of their homes because they can't pay their rent. our kyeon law brings us some of their stories from houston, texas. >> hello, co

celine gounder is joining us. for an indoor, especially an indoor event like this. cases spike a few days later. why do people deliberately put their health and maybe their lives, family's health at risk? >> wolf, i think unfortunately whenever you pit culture against science, political, psychology against science, social networks or social identify against science, science never wins. culture, political psychology and social networks will trump the science. and people are social beings. we collaborate very well in times of crisis. but sometimes this kind of group mentality, needing to show -- whether you want to call it peer pressure or something like that, needing to show allegiance to your group can hurt us. >> it's interesting, a cnn medical analyst, professor at the george washington university, jonathan reiner says the decision by the trump campaign to hold this rally is what he calls negligent homicide. what's your reaction to a very blunt statement like that? >> i think that the data is showing that indoor

doctor gounder, finish with you. you talked to the president about the lack of trust in public messaging many americans feel when it comes to this crisis. what more did he say to you? i asked, why is it that public health is so mur more politicized than say basic science research. the research portfolio he actually manages at nih. interesting. his comment was, well, public health is much less abstract. it touches our lives in very intimate ways. and so you're just going to have a very different gut reaction, personal reaction, to issues of public health in the way that you might not about something that's happening in the lab. >> okay. okay. let's stick around. we're going to wait and watch for the q&a and glorpia, i'll come back to you on your point of republicans. many haven't heard the news, or are -- zzzzzip. >>> thank you both. >>> coming up here on cnn. president trump also mocked bob woodward for asking about the existence of white privilege, claiming that woodward, quote/unquote, drank the kool-aid. so let's

saline gounder.back to the old guidance make sense from a public health perspective? as somebody out there on the front lines that might say let's check with the cdc, what is the latest guidelines, what does this do to confidence in the agency? >> well, in terms of confidence in the agency i do think it has been tremendously shaken over the last couple of weeks and it means that many of us are turning to other authorities, guidance whether it's the national academy of sciences, that is the infectious disease society and other bodies that do exist to provide guidance. in terms of what this means for public health measures and for control, big picture is a lot of exact same things we have been talking about but we have to be that much more vigilant about wearing masks, this may influence the mask we recommend over time but definitely we should aullways be wearing mask the six feet apart rule is a minimum and the context of aerosol, airborne spread and we need to be paying better attention to ventilatio

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