now, how you can morph that into pulling the plug on grandma i don't know. i think it's despicable, i think it's all of the lies that have come out on this bill that are just designed to frighten the daylights out of people but i think the american people is much smarter than politicians in washington give them credit for and they're going to figure this out and they know they really do want health care reform. >> schieffer: governor dean, thank you so much for being with us this morning. i'll be back with some final thoughts in just a second. soon there will be 1 trillion connected devices... in the world. can you hear them? food is talking to store shelves. cargo containers are talking to supply chains. power lines are talking to the grid. now that's smart. systems that allow carrots to tell truck drivers how fresh they are. roads alert cars about traffic patterns. cars alert mechanics before they break down. when things communicate... systems connect. when systems connect... the world gets smarter. that's what i'm working on. i'm an ibmer. let's build a s

the critics claim the democrats are trying to pull the plug on grandma for money.e congressional budget office say the program will actually cost? yes, yes, cost the federal government over the next ten years. $2.7 billion. so don't be surprised if it falls out of the bill because it's just too expensive. the end of life counseling provision will cost, not save, cost the government $2.7 billion. tonight's "big number." >>> up next, is former vice president dick cheney ready to reveal his frustration with george bush in his new book? revelations about the rift between bush and cheney with pat buchanan and tom defrank. you're watching "hardball" only on msnbc. this is my verizon small business specialist, tom. now, i know the catering business but when i walked in here i wasn't sure what i needed. i'm not sure what i need. tom showed me how to use mifi to get my whole team working online, on location. i was like, "woah". woah ! only verizon wireless has small business specialists in every store to help you do business better. you're like my secret ingredient. come in

i understand why brad is up there claiming about grandma.s is their only way to stop progress. >> you didn't hear brad say that. that didn't come from me. >> regardless where they're coming from, they are working. here's what happened during senator claire mccaskill's town hall on tuesday. watch what happened. >> so what happened right now is that you can -- >> the poster featured civil rights hero rosa parks. she puts it down. a photographer comes over to ask her about the poster. watch for a woman in a blue shirt not with the senator's security. just attending the town hall. she comes over and you're going to see here in a second, she is going to grab the woman's poster, crumble it up and throw it ot floor. and the crowd cheers. brad, that's not appropriate, is it. >> it is not. you know what's not appropriate either is when the democrats send union thugs out to intimidate people who are not for their plan. that's exactly what's happening. you have both sides. >> give me a break. >> josh, is that what they're doing. >> give me a break. the

we love you grandma.od of love, hear our prayer. >> grandma, thank you for watching mermaids with me, having magical tea parties, our many competitive sailing adventures and always teaching me boys can -- that girls can do anything that boys can do. we pray to the lord. >> oh, god of love hear our prayer. >> for all those who doubt themselves or believe in liminetations encourage my grandmother obtained and instill in us to consistently strive to do their best and be their best. we pray to the lord. >> o god of love hear our prayer. >> grandma, thanks for everything. thank you for encouraging me at all my sport games and for teaching me the importance of community service. for this we pray to the lord. >> o god of love, hear our prayer. >> grandma, thank you for teaching me to care for others and myself. just like you cared for all of us. i love you so much. that we all continue to care for others we pray to the lord. >> oh, god of love, hear our prayer. >> thank you, grandma, for whisking away for your r

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somehow the house of representatives voted for death panels that will basically pull the plug on grandma -- >> i hate to use my mother's voice here because i've got

you should not do is start saying things like we want to set up death penalty to pull the plug on grandma. i mean, come on. [applause] first of all, when you make a comment like that, i just lost my grandmother last year. i know what it is like to watch somebody love who is aging deteriorated and have to struggle with that. the notion that somehow i ran for public office, or members of congress are in this so that they can go around pulling the plug on grandma? when you start making arguments like that, that is simply dishonest. especially when i hear the arguments coming from members of congress in the other party who, it turns out, sponsored similar provisions. here is what this was about. here was the genesis of this little piece of information. we had a provision in the house bill that would give the option of somebody getting counseling on end of life care our hospice care and have it reimbursed by medicare. the option, voluntary, so you would have more information about how to deal with these situations. it turns out the biggest proponent of this was a republican congressman who is

today, a key republican senator said you should worry about the government pulling a plug on grandma. and senator chairman of the republican party michael steele. we have other own sanjay gupta. but, first, c candy crowley. >> senator chuck grassley holds his second town hall meeting of the year. >> we're here at a time when i fear that people are scared for our country. >> town hall has been sometimes two, three times bigger than in previous years. so many hands in the air and so many cross burns. >> i need to know what are you doing to these insurance companies that are putting ne g everything in their pocket and laughing at everybody else. >> so we can cover the people whop want coverage with a private policy cheaper. >> making his way through the questions festering in the iowa countryside, grassly is really in a mind field. why does he sip port cuts in medicare? he doesn't. will he support a plan with a government insurance option? no. and about those so called death panels, they say it will put the government in the ut eat nash sha business. . >> i don't have any problem with th

we wanted her to look hot, cool and not like a grandma. she's a wonderful woman, best friend and a wonderful mom. >> oh. >> i love her. >> i know you're crying now but we're going to take good care of you. are you ready to go? >> yes! >> maria is so ready. >> her family is ready to with the ping and red blindfolds off. >> the little one. >> no, he doesn't want it. >> okay, you don't have to have it. you get what you want,

>> pull the plug on grandma. >> pull the plug on grandma. >> the death panel talk continues. >> ugh! >> we'll fact check the death panels tonight. separating truth from fiction. this says the administration fights back itself blasting a myth busting e-mail to supporters charging the emerging picture of health care reform bears little resemblance to the truth. press secretary robert gibbs clearly on message. >> one of the reasons we pushed back is because misconceptions. some contributed to the poll numbers. and we hope to quell the misconceptio misconceptions. misconception that's are out there. misconceptions or misimpressions. we're not going to start pushing back on the misconceptions. some of these misconceptions. misconceptions out there. >> also helping the white house tackle the misconceptions, aof campaign. >>> a somber homecoming for a war hero missing for nearly 20 years. >> michael scott spiker, navy pilot, shot down over the -- over iraq on the first night of operation desert storm. and here we welcome him back to the united states of america. a solemn moment, an importan

we should not have a government program that determines when you pull the plug on grandma. >> the grandma plug pullers and others are alive and well thanks to sarah palin. she boasts she got the death panels removed. payback is the proverbial "b" word. beck humiliated at congressman rick larsen's town hall in washington state. >> i've got beck at my side and you've got glenn beck on your side. just not going to play out that way. >> as a dozen advertisers chance l on beck comedy central catches him in a bit of a contradiction. >> you're about to lose the best health care system in the world. getting well in this country actually almost kills you. >> worse, the minneapolis newspaper praises michelle bachman's son for going in to teach for america. says he's a smart, caring kid who must have been well raised. so she declares the paper has done a hit job on him. and karl rove on family? and joe the plumber, the standup comedian? how will we know when his act is over? all that and more now on "countdown." good evening from new york. after weeks of fear mongering, shouting lies, death threats,

we're not pulling the plug on grandma.hen people stoop to that level, yes, there are five bills and i am going to give tony some credit here. i think obama has to step up and begin to narrow the range of choices that he will accept in terms of how we pay for this and the issue of the public option. if he is not going to go for it, i think he has to and will but if he's going to cave on that then say that and we'll have a different debate. but the fact that he hasn't is because he's working with republicans. he's trying to get a bipartisan bill. that is starting to seem crazy to me because republicans are lying about everything he does. >> tony, let me read to you and the audience what chuck grassley said today. he was asked about the death panels as he was bound to be and he said, you have a right to be afraid. that's how he begins his answer and his final line on it is we should not have a government program that determines if you're going to pull the plug on grandma. now, every democrat when asked that question says, the

grandma is not just your grandmother. she is a statistic, and we have to decide what is the cost to society to keep her alive, and i think she won't get plugged in. her ventilator won't be plugged in if she's 92, because society may say we don't have enough money to do that. >> there's a couple of things here that tom daschle defined in his federal healthcare board in his book "kit cal, what we can do about the healthcare crisis," and he said "like the federal reserve" -- which worked out so well" the federal health board would be composed of health experts insulated from politics and congress and the white house would relinquish some of their health-policy decisions to it, for example, a shift to a more effective drug service would be enacted without an act of congress or the white house. " what does that mean? >> glenn, you're right. it is based on the same committee they have in britain with the "nice" committee. they decide what your life is worth over the final six months and will only spend $22,000 on medication. yo

he would instead technically be a grandma plug puller.et's call in democratic strategist chris kofinis. chris, good evening. >> good evening, keith. >> grassley first. it would be merely absurd if this were not so maddening. i mean, he's been fueling death panel fear, and now he's trying to mince words with senator specter. but grassley is the kind of gop lead negotiator the democrats are supposed to trust in this? >> it is kind of ironic that the senator that's leading the bipartisan effort to get a health care reform bill seems to be unleashing partisan attacks full of fallshoods. i think it's a terrible statement. listen, at worst case scenario it exposes this as a process amongst some of the republicans particularly senator grassley in terms of what their real agenda may be which is to either stop or fundamentally reshape health care reform. at a minimum it's just toxic to the whole process. if you're actually serious about pursuing a bipartisan effort the last thing you should be doing is spreading outright lies. >> more outright hyp

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we're not going to pull the plug on grandma.are legislation passed. a lot of people out there are wondering what's in this bill. >> mika, gail collins and i were on a panel talking, i was talking about my book, she was talking about her extraordinary book on women. we also had a couple other people there. sort of disturbing book. but that's another story. but she would be a perfect person to weigh in on the hillary clinton -- >> we'll play it. chris, do you have the sound bite that we can play, hillary clinton and nigeria, i believe it is? talking about some imperfections in our democratic process as she's trying to relate with people of the country. take a listen. >> democracy is still evolving. we had all kinds of problems in some of our past elections, as you might remember. in 2 chow, our presidential election came down to one state where the brother of the man running for president was the governor of the state. so we have our problems, too. >> gail, as the author of the book "america's women," how do you think hillary clin

. >> they had a party for everybody 85 years old and over and my grandma was there. she was 101.grandma about a man who served the state for 47 years. longer than the lives of his brothers. that's not to say that the brothers weren't on people's minds. what do you have to say? >> good-bye. i'm glad he's with his family. you get to see all your brothers and sisters. >> it wentpast st. stephen's h died. past faneuil hall where he declared his candidacy for president in 1979. >> today i formally announce i 'm a candidate for president of the united states. >> boston mayor through south boston where kennedy campaigned each of the nine times he ran for senate. and then, it arrived at the library. when john kennedy lied in state at the capitol, the crowds stretched for miles. for ted, they turned out too. but this is a different as if to say thank you for standing by the kennedys. then, and now. ted kennedy lived 77 years, so much longer than his brothers. i'm john berman for "nightline" in boston. >> in fact, the crowds at this hour are still so large that the family decided to allow

i mean come on. >> so you hear that right there, we're not going to pull the plug on grandma, he had used that general phrase at previous town halls, but right before that he had invoted his own grandma. how she wored at the end of his life, but it's very interesting that he invoked his own grandmother, it shows how personal this battle is to him, don. >> is there any other moments that you notice this is one moment when i talked to my guest here. and by the way, the reason we have two guests here that are against the president's health care plan, is because that's what we're covering here in atlanta. if it were something different, we would have two people who support the plan. i also noticed, he said i'm not an expert of this, i have suddenly become a student of all of this, but there is no magic bullet that's going to fix it and we all need to work together. did you notice that moment. >> absolutely, and i think as the criticism has come in, we can't just focus on conservatives, liberals in the president's own party who want a single payer system, they're not happy either, they th

we should not have a government program that determines you're going to pull the plug on grandma. >> tell america he's actually read the house bill. i thought he was working so hard on the senate finance committee. here's the deal. and listen. this is a key point. in the senate help people and on the health care side, this is reimbursement to the doctor who is working with you in dealing with your grandma, who may be close to dieing. so we're going to reimburse the doctor for talking to you about a family issue. what is wrong with that? joining me now is ohio senator, sharrod brown a member of the health, education, labor and pensions committee. senator, good to have you with us tonight. appreciate your time. are you amazed at the misinformation that is out there in the town halls that's being thrown at you and other members of the congress? at the level that it's gotten to. >> in some sense i'm amazed. in another sense i've been doing this long enough i shouldn't be. you think the average executive is making $8 million a year. they kind of like that $8 million a year and that's why

does anybody think barack obama wants to snuff out anybody's grandma? >> absolutely not. >> glenn: what is the connection that i've just been saying? >> i think what you are pointing out in any system where the governmental oh indicates scarce resources to the population based on the judgments who is entitled to receive benefits and who is not to entitled to receive those benefits there are serious issues and questions about possible discrimination and injustice. who is going to bear the burden of the regime and who is not going to get the treatment. those are serious questions about fairness. all of the proposals we have seen raise those kind of questions. peter singer is the most obvious one because his is indifferent to fairness and distribution. but others, emanuel, his proposal and his curve raises similar questions about how the most vulnerable will do. >> glenn: i'm not saying any of these people, in academics you should have these conversations. i'm not saying any of the conversations they have are inherently evil but it's in the implementation

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that will. >> he has to say that he will not pull the plug on grandma?where the debate is. one of the reasons it was probably helpful is you had opponents wearing opposition tee shirts and they were opponents. they were the real deal. they didn't get up and yell. they felt like new hampshire, they have town hall meetings all the time. maybe we are in a belter place to hear and address issues. and you can see the rumors chasing ahead of the story. people will find out if there will be mobs outside. instead of actually trying to figure out why people are so uncomfortable. is there going be a government plan? is private insurance going to go bankrupt? are taxes going go up? there is a reason for discomfort. >> we talked about this. there is no actual bill. there are versions circulating around. it is hard to defend against rumors of things that don't exist. where do you get things accomplished? part of the problem is the folks on the left who want to push through a bill. they are not his friends. they are working to undermine him. he needs to go back, recla

pull the plug on grandma. that's not part of this debate? it's not in the bill, senator? >> david, it's hyp ee's hypobol mongering, it's the anxiety and fear that people have tide. -- today. it's amazing to me that a good idea that many of us would agree with that there ought to be some consultation, some opportunity to talk about those things outside of the moment when you're at your most emoti emoti vulnerable state in your life. johnny isaacson, a member of the health committee, actually offered it as a mandatory requirement, that there be a mandatory counseling. it turns out, it was -- they persuaded him to offer it as a voluntary measure. but that voluntary counseling that is something we ought to be encouraging, not discouraging. >> the prescription drug bill that the republican congress passed in 2003 had a similar provision, did it not? >> i don't know. i wasn't in congress in 2003 so i'm not familiar with that. but i was add mately opposed to the prescription drug bill because it added $10 trillion to

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tavis: it sounds like grandma is due some royalties somewhere. >> oh, yeah. grandmas were telling the stories or packing away the stories, grandad, as we called him, would whistle all around. blues whistling. they were from the south, alabama, my grandparents, but they could whistle up a storm and tell these stories. i just recontained all that stuff about human nature. there's where a lot of them came from. tavis: i want to though -- throw some names about some of the groups and you tell me whatever you want to tell me. i want to start with the supremes. it's hard for us to imagine it now but at one point they were known inside the company at the no-hit supremes. they didn't have no hits and y'all went to work and something happened. >> yeah, we had to go to work. we wrote a little song first called "when the love light starts shining in his eyes ." that was a top 30 song and it did fairly well. so they dropped back down in that status, the no-hit supremes area again after that. suddenly i came up with this idea, and i was banging on the piano and -- ♪ baby

>> pull the plug on grandma. that's not part of the debate. >> it's hyperbolic, fear mongering, politics at its worst. it generates anger and fear and anxiety people have today. it's amazing to me that a very good idea, one i'm sure maybe even all of us agree with, that there ought to be some consultation, some opportunity to talk about these things outside of that moment when you're at your most emotionally vulnerable state in life. the amazing thing is that johnny isaacson, a member of the health committee offered it as a mandatory requirement, there be this mandatory counseling. it turns out they persuaded him to offer it as a voluntary measure. that voluntary counseling is something we ought to be encouraging not discouraging. >> senator coburn, the drug bill passed in 2003 had a similar provision, did it not? >> i don't know. i wasn't in congress in 2003, so i'm not familiar with that, but i was adamantly opposed to the prescription drug bill mainly because it added $10 trillion to our grandkids' debt. look,

we should not have a government program that determines you're going to pull the plug on grandma. >> but there are no such government programs in any democratic bill. and even grassley's republican colleagues have called the charge false. well, this afternoon faced with the choice of either condemning grassley and signaling a firm approach or giving grassley a pass, the white house chose to forgive and forget. >> we will hope to quell the misconceptions that are apparently held even by some in the senate about what the bill is and what the bill isn't, but we'll continue to hope that they can make progress. whether or not it happens, you know, i don't know. >> president obama has been having weekly discussions with grassley in the hopes he will join democrats and make reform bo bipartisan, but that's leaving the white house on the defensive over what the white house has gained from those efforts. >> seems to be playing rope-a-dope with the white house, leading you along and then slamming the door. >> well, i guess we'll see about that. >> is grassley playing? the white house approach

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we should not have a government program that determines you are going to pull the plug on grandma. >> let's see if we can play this to rest is the obama administration plan to pull the plug on grandma, jeanne? >> no, they are not planning to do that. this is one of those provisions that because it is poorly written or people see a benefit from it has been totally misinterpreted. clearly, what it is is a reimbursement for services, and seniors that want to write a living will can get that for free, essentially, or at a discount. but it is voluntary, not mandatory. >> evan, why is this debate so nasty? >> it is the administration tried to get away with something. at the outset, they said we would control costs, but they said that nothing would change. people smelled a rat. they knew instinctively that could not be true, and try to fly to that and get the bill done quickly, and although there is misinformation and this is a nutty theory that is out there, the public is not wrong to suspect that you cannot have it both ways, you cannot control costs and have the same health care. the admi

does anybody here believe that barack obama wants to snuff out anybody's grandma? >> absolutely not. glenn: so what is the connection to what i've just been saying? >> well, i think what you're pointing out is that in any system where the government allocates scarce resources to the population based on its own judgments about who is entitled to receive benefits, and more importantly who is not entitled to receive the benefits, there are serious issues and questions, very serious questions about possible discrimination and injustice. who is going to bear the burden of the regime? who is not going to get the treatments, and i think those are serious questions to raise, questions about fairness, and all of the proposals that have been floated so far in the public square raise those kinds of questions. peter singer is the most obvious one because his program is indifferent to fairness and distribution. but others, even zeke emanuel, a thoughtful person, his proposal and his curve raises similar questions about how the weakest and most sulker inable will do under these

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government doesn't have a plan on when to pull the plug on grandma. do you think we're focussing on that part of the debate, even as senator grassley said, you should be having these counseling sessions 20 years earlier. are we missing the point that living wills are something we all should consider no matter how old we are. >> those comments are pretty baffling to the white house. he's there taking talking points that pretty much incite debate. conservatives, republicans have talked in the past about end of life counseling, having end of life wills -- >> even sarah palin, as governor in april 2008, encouraged alaskans to seek out counseling services for these important decisions. >> but i think what's happened is there's been an inflation of two ideas. these two ideas have somehow gotten merged together so that we're talking about death panels, but i think that's why you're seeing the white house push back saying this isn't going to happen. >> i appreciate you clearing it up. >>> it's hurricane season. let's get a check now on the stormy weather. cla

if we can play this thing to rest is the obama administration planning to pull the plug on grandma, jeanne? >> no, they are not planning to do that. this is one of those divisions that either because it is poorly written or because people see a benefit in it has been clearly misinterpreted. but it is -- what is is a reimbursement for services and seniors that want to write a living will can get that for free, essentially, or at a discount. but it is voluntary, not mandatory. >> evan, why is this a debate so nasty? >> because the administration tried to get away with something. they said we would control costs, but that nothing would really change, you can still have your insurance. people smelled a rat. they knew instinctively that that cannot be true, and the administration will either slide through that and get the bill done quickly, and although there is misinformation, and this is a nutty theory that is out there, the public is not wrong to suspect that you cannot have it both ways, you cannot control costs and have the same health care. i think the administration has been caugh

is the obama administration planning to pull the ug on grandma, jene? >> no, they are t planning to do that. this is oneof those provisions thatecause it is poorly written or because peoe see a benefit in it haseen totally sinterpreted. clearly, what it is is a reimbursent fo services where a senior who wants torite a livingill canget that for fr, essentially, or at a discount, but it is volunry, not mandory. >> evan, why is this debate so nasty? >> because the administration tried to getway with somethg. at the outset, theyaid we need control costs, t they said that nothing would change an you would ha your insurance. people smell a rat they knew instctively that it could not be true. although there a lot of misinfmation and this is nutty theo that is out tre, the public is not wrong to suect that you cannot have it both ways, you cannocontrol costs and had e same heth care. i think thedministration has been caught on s own petard on this. >> mark? >> i believehat the death panel story is a productf eithergnorance or malice. think you can say malice in

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