jennifer granholm, and david, what a fellah. good to have you as always. governor, why is the democrat message better? >> well, really basic. people care about health care. if you ask democrats and independents, and let's just talk about independents. democrats we know care about health care. republicans do, too. but those independents that could potentially go either way, that's their number one issue. this is why trump is trying to distract from health care. there are 53 million people in america who have pre-existing conditions. they all care about the cost of their prescription drugs. and those independents -- the three quick states, independents are going for the democrat in arizona in the senate. the democrat in arizona by 26 points. in tennessee, by 24 points. in indiana by 23 points. if we are trying to fight for that group of undecided or independent voters, health care is a key issue. >> chris, your comparisons were entertaining. it problem is they didn't include the one that have been the deciding factor since 1950, and that is strong economy. t

he was talking about granholm, not me.the president was working to shore up his base for cindy hyde-smith, i brought this up because i think it matters. what do you think he meant when he said this? >> cindy's far left opponent, he is far left, oh, he is out there. how does he fit in with mississippi? how does he fit? >> in fairs on the me, there is more to that quote. and if you look at it, you can see the president was struggling about whether or not he really wanted to go somewhere. and remember who he is backing in cindy hyde-smith. remember what she said in that  election when she refused to apologize for specifically. the fool that he backed in virginia. what he did with roy moore in alabama. this is a president who hasn't shied away from supporting people who support causes that are way too akin to bigotry that we've ever seen with a republican in the modern era, a president back them. was it just us versus them of politics, or was it something else? let's bring in d. lemon. what did you hear in terms of the refere

jen, thanks so much for joining me, governor granholm. >> you bet.> good to have you as always. >>> the votes are in. now time to count them. recount after the break. >>> it's been four days since the midterm elections but those in florida, georgia, have no idea who their governor will be. brian kemp and stacey abrams and then arizona, ballots still counted in the senate race with kerstin cinema and martha mcsally and all eyes on florida like it's 2000 all over again. remember that headache? where do those races stand? cnn ryan nobles. what's the latest on how long this recount is supposed to take there and whether there are any initial tallies? >> reporter: the big thing, after what happened in 2000, florida went through an exhaustive effort to remake their election system so they wouldn't have that huge controversy that they had 18 years ago. so the system here is much different. in other words, there are no hanging chads and there are firm deadlines that they have to reach. they have to get the automatic recount done and reassess the vote at that

sounds like the makings of a great debate of we have somewhere political commentator jennifer granholm and washington cooperator lobbyist and cnn political commentator, david under. how many tiles do yo-- titles d have? i remember in one of the many briefings that cram so much information before the election, i remember hearing that if they get 35, 37, the democrats should be i don't ever joinoverjoyed. how is that not a whooping, brother? >> chris, as you know, let's look at history, right? historically every president, every president in the midterms has lost big seats, big numbers. look -- >> not everyone. >> every president but two in modern history. >> and trump could have been like them. go ahead. >> they were two war-type presidents. post-9/11 is when you lost seats. that's an otherwise pretty standard scale there. look, all the pundit tri-the chattering class in washington and around the world that examines these things all predicted between 35 and 45 seat loss. you end up with 39, that's squarely in the middle. we're not talking about pickups in the senate. >> should have gott

. >>> to our great debaters, jennifer granholm and ken cuccinelli. let's see if we can start out on a point of mutual agreement. does anybody agree that the election should have ended last tuesday and all counting stopped on that day? do we all agree that is an absurd notion? yes, yes, yes? good. we'll move on. ken, i'll give you silence as acceptance. >> if all the ballots are there. >> they're not all there, though. that's the point. the president was not over his skis or looking to create chaos instead of consensus. all right. let's talk about the matters at hand. in florida, jennifer granholm, you democrats are sloppy, you're sloppy in charge of that broward county. >> hey, don't broad brush all of us. >> palm beach. all with the same brush. you represent them all today. good for you. so do they have a point that there was a lack of transparency? they had to sue to get information they should have had under law and there is a right and a right reason for republicans to be worried about the authenticity of the votes? >> i think that they are right

again, joining me right now to discuss, former democratic governor of michigan, jennifer granholm, andublican strategist and former communications director for senator ted cruz, alice steward. great to see all of you. this could potentially be another historic year. it was 1992, jennifer, when the year of the woman -- >> the first one. >> right, the first one following the clarence thomas confirmation hearings. what has provoked this kind of excitement and engagement among women? >> i think donald trump is the greatest recruiter for democrats in particular, maybe for women overall. i think women are angry about a number of things. they're mad that this president has been so utterly divisive and has used rhetoric that is calling people names. you wouldn't tell your children to behave like him, so they're mad about that. they're mad about the notion that he preys on fear and not on hope, as president obama said in the rally that you played recently. they're mad about him taking health care away or republicans in general doing that. they're mad about guns. they're mad about safety. so wom

david chalian, nia malika henderson, gloria borger, van jones, jennifer granholm, former senator rick santorum, david urban as well. senator santorum, have you ever paid attention to midterms? >> i remember one particular midterm in 2006. that was very memorable. >> which permits you to be here tonight. >> that's why i'm here. so thank you very much. people have asked me how important this midterm is. i'll be honest with you. i hate to say it. i don't think it's that important. i mean, i don't think things are going to change that much in washington. in fact, i see -- david and i were talking about this offstage. i actually think that the way it's stacking up right now just is a -- is perfectly for trump. >> how so? >> because he needs to pick up seats in the senate. for a variety of reasons. he wants to confirm his judges. he wants to be able to have a block about any bad things the house is going to do. and i think that's happening. if you look at where he's campaigning, he's campaigning in senate races. his message, all about winning those red states in the senate. he is trying to

guns with zero indictments between them, can i happily say, david chelian, david axelrod, jennifer granholman jones and rick santorum. david, what do you make, the president obama that you see there, are you surprised to see him kind of out as i don't know as aggressively is the right word but energetically? >> well, you know, he -- he has been unpressure for a long time. a lot of people wanted him out there. his feeling was other democrats have to step up and that he sucks all the oxygen out of the tank when he tries to assume that mantle. b, he didn't want to be in a long term kind of back and forth with trump, but now that we're here i think that his belief is that voter mobilization is the key and that he can be helpful in some of these close races by spurring people to the polls. ive think that's why joe donnelly wanted him over in lake county in gary today to campaign, and so i -- i feel like he is answering the call and trying to balance, you know, prudence with his responsibilities as a party leader. >> i mean, one of the things when he was president, i wanted him to go out there an

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