and on behalf of the working people of chicago, florence greenberg made the following demand. we're asking our government to take health from the list of luxuries to be bought only with money and add it to the list containing the inalienable rights of every citizen. you don't know whether franklin roosevelt ever heard about florence greenberg unprecedented call for health care as a right. because even though he had endorsed the conference, he chose that time to go on vacation. fdr was actually on a cruise. guess we can't really blame him. probably pretty well deserved vacation. but three years earlier, fdr had refused to include medical coverage as part of the social security act because he didn't want to to antagonize the american medical profession. he gets in a message of support to the health conference, but not long afterward the outbreak of world war ii force the president attention elsewhere. five years later on january 11, 1944, in his state of the union address, roosevelt spoke to the american people about the war, and especially about the kind of peace the allies pla

. -- florence greenberg. so the subtitle of the book is rights and rations in the united states. i have already talked about right and how americans don't have them really when it comes to health care, in political argument you'll often hear that the u.s. may have a lot of problems with the health department system but at least we don't ration the way europeans and canadians do. have you -- you've heard this. you may have heard the argument that universal health care means a government bure karat will deny you life saving treatment to save money for the system. we hear some people insisting that reform -- to the death panel and during the first presidential debate he warned of an unelected board that will deny treatments under obamacare. not only are these claims misleading at best, but they also imply that rationing or the denial of health care would be something new to our system. something extremely un-american. but i believe that the claim that the u.s. does not currently ration health care has been count

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anna greenberg is a senior vice president of the democratic polling firm greenberg, quinlan, and roster upon and last but not least our old friend larry sabato, the political guru of the university of virginia center for politics. stewart, let me talk to you. and you i talked last week. >> we did. >> schieffer: you said, don't look at me. i have no idea who is going to win. and this is what you do for a living. right now, how do you think this thing is breaking on this last weekend? >> i think the popular vote looks even or close to even, bob. i think anybody would be crazy to confidently predict how that's going to go. i still think the electoral college is easier for the president to get to 270. it's not impossible for governor romney, but all the pieces have to fit together for him. there are a number of must-win states so it's more difficult. >> schieffer: talk a little bit about that. why? >> when you look at the differences between the national polling and state polling, it's remarkable. republicans have some problems with the state numbers. they say most of the state polls are to

thanks a lot, herb greenberg. a major selloff on the street. michelle is going to take over in the "halftime report." >> welcome, i'm michelle caruso-cabrera. should you be trusting your portfolio prepping your portfolio for a drop off the fiscal cliff? the bear mark can ket territory, you just heard herb greenberg, falling out of the tree with a 20% correction. our trader also tell you should you be buying the dip? first, though, we have to hit a huge selloff. four hours to go until the close. the dow having the biggest drop in nearly a year lower by 2%. dow below 13,000, by the way. s&p down 33 points, a decline of more than 2%. and nasdaq composite lower by 70 points, also getting hit very hard. here's the heat map for the sectors in the s&p 500. they are all in the red. financials, energy, and industrials along with consumer staples not doing as well either leading the decliners. cnbc's proprietary indices that benefit from romney or obama win show the romney index down by more than 4%, 4.5%. look at this. the obama index. in this day, a ma

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democratic pollster and strategist and also stan greenberg, democratic pollster and author of "it's theclass, stupid." stan, let's start with you. you've analyzed the polling on how unmarried women voted. you put out a new report on thursday. i think we can put up some of the information. 67% voted for president obama, 31% for governor romney. among married women. why were unmarried women so much more supported of the president? >> it's fair to say that they produced this kind of victor. there's a lot of things that went into this election but being one in four voters and their obama vote held up from 2008, it did not drop where obama got 53%. all of the drops came with married. no, unmarried women, you know, who were hard hit by the economy and we're in a country where a majority of the households are unmarried. and unmarried women are kind of the vanguard of that and express in support of president obama who represent their values better, responded on the economy, and protected medicare. >> and why distinguish between unmarried and married? how do you campaign between these two groups

." >> evan greenberg. >> and when i was called, then we're like "what is this?" place, and i had this huge smile on my face. like, the literal miss america pageant moment. >> erica durham. >> you know, you're onstage, and, you know, you're clapping and cheering. i definitely felt like i was still in the running. i was nervous, but, you know, the first two you're like, "okay." >> and elizabeth romero. >> the last one comes, and it's like, you know, you've got this smile on your face, but really it's like, "oh, my gosh, they didn't choose me, why?" >> congratulations! >> i'm not even going to lie. i think that was the fakest smile i've ever smiled in my life. >> all right, now this is your time where you have to dash backstage and get ready for your solo. >> really i was so, so devastated. it was too much to take at once. i just had to go put myself in a little corner. i was like, "man, if i had just gotten that shot, or if i had just done something a little different." >> if there was one piece of advice i would want these kids to walk away with, it's that they ca

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. >> peter greenberg has more information you can use. cbs 5 eyewitness news morning update. >>> good morning everyone, it is 7:56. i'm frank mallicoat. get you caught up with some bay area headlines, and the big story this morning, fog, dense fog this morning in all parts of the bay. commuters are a advised to allow for extra time as traffic conclude slower than usual. interstate 280, and a good times for college football in the area. stanford is at 8. and san jose state, for the very first time at number 25. both teams ended the season with big wins and both are bound for bowl games. their exact destinations to be determined. we have your traffic and foggy weather forecast coming up right after the break. >>> good morning, if you're a mass transit rider we have delays to tell you about. there were major b.a.r.t. delays, up to 30 minutes. and capitol corridor delays up to 40 minutes. everything else so far on time. the fog has been the big story this morning. a live look at the golden gate bridge, dense fog advisories there and pretty mu

. >> michael greenberger, a former director of trading for the commodity futures trading commission, the federal agency that oversees oil futures, says there were no supply disruptions that could have justified such a big increase. >> did china and india suddenly have gigantic needs for new oil products in a single day? no--everybody agrees supply-demand could not drive the price up $25, which was a record increase in the price of oil. the price of oil went from somewhere in the $60s to $147 in less than a year. and we were being told on that run-up, "it's supply-demand, supply-demand, supply-demand." >> a report out of mit analyzing world oil production and consumption also concluded that the basic fundamentals of supply and demand could not have been responsible for the 2008 run-up in oil prices. and michael masters says the u.s. department of energy's own statistics show that if the markets had been working properly, the price of oil should have been going down, not up. >> from quarter four of '07 until the second quarter of '08, the e.i.a.--the energy information administration--

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i want to bring in herb greenberg. it feels like a bit of deja vu to this story. >> one of the great going way back. which i'm always reminded of in this situation, mattel and the learning company. learning company is a company co-run by kevin o'leary, mark cuban's nemesis in the shark tank. he ran that company. short sellers were all over it. then mattel desperate to jump-start its growth by going into software buys the learning company, a quarter or two later, kaboom, the whole thing blows up, almost brings mattel down with it. >> there are a number of those examples where we've seen short sellers, you say maybe they got it wrong. at the end of the day they lost money but oftentimes they ended up getting it right. >> there was another case, involving medtronic. over and over and over again. >> history has a way of repeating itself. >> that's one of short tellers' great fears, that they'll be right and proven right but some big dumb acquirer will come along and take the company at a premium. >> along those lines, you

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in greenberg's poll, he only had young people as 15% of the electorate, 17% in 2008 and still has the president up by four. so you have some diminution if you're a democrat, you're worried about diminution of the youth vote. >> let's take a quick break. we got a lot ahead. we are trying to follow any candidates who are making speeches in this hour or the 10:00 hour. we will bring them to you live. thanks everyone. one of the wild cards that could have an impact on the election is super storm sandy. will voters in ravaged areas be able to cast votes tomorrow? officials are scrambling to try to make it easier. we'll take a look at that ahead. we'rwith questions fromtump sombing elections.kies do you know where your polling place is? maybe somewhere around my house. mine's just, right over that way. well you can find out exactly where it is using bing elections. it's a good day for politics. which way do you lean politically? conservative. republican. well, using the bing news selector you can find news from whichever way you lean. (together) social on this side, financial. which party i

let's bring in herb greenberg and jan nippon.y to blame the weather but in this case, is it justified? >> well, the weather was a problem and the long calendar is a problem. i think the weather was less of a story than the long calendar. when you put two extra selling days in front of christmas in december, it has to come out of somewhere. it will come out of early december, but if only one-third of it even comes out of november, it's about a 400 basis point hit to sales. so i think most of what we're seeing here is early november had two warm of weather in one-third of the country, a great hurricane in one-quarter of the country and the consumer said i got plenty of time, i don't have to really go out and spend so we had a really slow front end of the month. we'll get a lot of that back in december. i'm still predicting a great christmas. >> we have two themes on this show -- panic now or everything's fine. which one is it for retail? >> everything's fine. >> it's a "rise above" pin. >> do these drops in the share prices present

the lawsuit was led by former aig ceo hank greenberg. the government continues to sell off its shares of aig, and currently owns less than a 16% stake. after nearly four decades at the helm of intel, ceo paul otellini will retire in may. during his tenure at the world's largest chip-maker, otellini saw both highs and some lows. intel dominated desktop and personal computing, but fell behind in the era of tablets and smartphones. intel has seen its fortunes with that section of the market improve, but still lags. however, intel did continue to set sales and profit records in 2011. intel's board of directors will look at both internal and external candidates to replace otellini. it's hello ruby tuesday for jj buettgen. he's leaving his post as chief marketing officer at darden restaurants to become president and ceo of ruby tuesday. he starts the job december 1st. ruby tuesday's shares ralied more than 3% on monday. in arizona today, state officials will perform their final inspection of that state's first medical marijuana dispensary. and

cbs news travel editor peter greenberg is here to show us how to navigate that travel maze.e holiday fares are going down! you never say that. >> no, you never say that. especially this year. 24 million people traveling competing for a fewer number of seats. they have nowhere to go but up but there is some hope. >> because you're saying we should pay attention to the websites. >> some websites. >> i still like picking up the phone and talking to somebody. >> i'm a big fan of the conversation. you should still do it. you can always go to the websites afterwards. have the conversation first because once you book a fare you still have 24 hours to purchase it. let's talk about some upside. there's one i like called hipmunk. it not only tracks the air fares for for you're welcome it tracks the agony factor. they give you readings you would never expect. over thanksgiving, how about new york to london? you know what it came up with? new york to london via istanbul. but it gave you a 15-hour layover. so if you plan it right, you get to tour the city and then go to london. >> yeah,

joining us, gregg greenberg, reporter at the street.com. hey, gregg, i know you have been talking to a lot of oil experts today. it's kind of hard to imagine the u.s. after all these years being energy independent. what were they telling new what did you hear? look, scsi, the trend is certainly favorable. it's nice to hear we are producing more energy here in america and much greater than the reverse but i have to take reports like this with a grigg grain of salt. we have been hearing about peak energy for a long time, hearing about saudi arabia's reserves for a long time and you have to take it with a haley dose of skepticism, good news then again you have to be a little bit keptic. >> susie: all right, but if you do believe it's going to happen you have actually identified some companies and industry sectors that will be winners and losers if there is certainly does happen. let's look at the list. go down your list, you start out saying that the oil majors will be winners here. so i guess are you talking about companies like exxon mobile,

greenberg. he worked on the campaigns of bill clinton and tony blair, a who barack, nelson mandela. he is known as the leading pollster in the world in terms of international campaigns. he started to send these e-mails days ago where he was predicting how sure he was of a great big obama a victory and how early the election was one to be called. congratulations for your accuracy. i watched the video is that you and james were sending out to everyone who was willing to listen to you about how sure you were that obama would have a big night. let us start with you, stan. in terms of why it happened and what it means for america. >> thank you, jennifer. ralph reed is coming in. delighted to be on the panel with him and to share our mood and observations this morning. a moment of silence. [laughter] no. i will proceed. [no audio [inaudible] i am impressed. the scorecard is done. jennifer cost may dr. greenberg. when i first became a poster, i was advised by my first client that i won with to get rid

allen stanford of the university of virginia center for politics, democratic pollster anna greenberg, and republican analyst leslie sanchez of the impacto group. and our own cbs news elections director anthony salvanto. we're coming to the end of the campaign 2012, and we've got it all on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs from cbs news in washington, "face the nation" with bob schieffer. >> schieffer: good morning, again. most of the country is looking forward to election day, or at the least, looking forward to the campaign being over. but in large parts of the northeast, it is still the aftermath of the storm that is in the forefront of many people's thoughts. at least 110 are dead, more than 2 million are still without power. close to 1 million in new york city alone. 80% of new york city subway service has been restored, but it may be days before gas shortages are rer stored and the national guard has been called in to keep order at gas stations. the storm has caused an estimated $20 billion in damages, plus an estimated $50 billion in economic losses to the region. t

with us now is peter greenberg and captain sully sullenberger.legitimate concern? >> good morning, charlie. this strikes me as a cynical effort on the part of some in the industry to cry wolf and use scare tactics in an intent to influence the faa when they write the final rule on pilot experience to weaken it, and this pilot experience requirement is one that's mandated by the congress. by the way. and unanimous votes in the house and senate, amazing accomplishment in this political environment to solve problems in the regional airline industry that have been the result of a dozen years of crashes taking needless lives includie ing continental 3407 that took countless lives. whether we have one level of safety in the industry or not and we don't in some important ways means they will don't hire pilots who aren't fully experienced to be airline pilots and when they go into the seat as a regional pilot they are getting on the job training with you as the passenger in the back. until they have several thousand hours they haven't seen that many cycl

certainly with what was going on this week, with sandy, with christie and romney having that and greenberg'sbergs endorsemts, slightly diminishing what happened. at the end of the day the economy is moving slowly in the right direction. the question will be on tuesday, quickly enough? >> you have had the unemployment te actually go up. and in the black community you are still in double digits. the latino community is still in double digits. >> so upset they're giving him 0% of the vote. you know the -- lou: are you mocking the black community. >> absolutely not. ethier doing the right thing. lou: doing the right thing. >> the policies that brought us into this mess. lou: we will find out if it is the right thing we wl be back with the "a-team." black women actually watched their unemployment rate rise by three points in this president. why is that the right thing? the first answer that question. the first answer that question. we will come right back. hey, yo, check out this chef, right? right? that's so gay. that's really gay. dude, look at those pants please don't say that. what? don't say

greenberg.hen i first became a pollster and have been academic,, i was advised by my first client i wanted to get rid of the juncture because no one with a doctor really knows anything pratt all about the world. the jennifer always reminds me of that. -- at the heritage. i'm delighted to work with jennifer on sunday subjects. the election was i think a quiet big election. i'm going to summarize very quickly some of the things i saw in the demographics of the anti-attitudes and the politics. i am doing this based on the observation you did. i was doing bbc throughout the night. so is processing in real time. i also didn't get back to bed until 4:00 in the morning. i also have surveys in fields and partial data from those surveys in terms of what people explore and what people were thinking about why they voted the way they did. i'm happy to get some of that on the table. so let me start -- some of this is obvious and then go to the less obvious. the starting point i think is the demographics and

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greenberg.ademics and i was advised by the first client that i had one with to get rid of the doctor because nobody was a doctor and really knows anything practical about the world. but jennifer always reminds me of that heritage. and i'm delighted to work with jennifer on so many subjects. the election was a big election and the country faces some big issues. i'm going to summarize very quickly some of the things that i saw in the demographics of this and the attitudes and the politics. i am doing this based on the observation you did throughout the night and so i was processing and real time and i was also didn't get back to bed until 4:00 in the morning. i also had four surveys in the field that i had partial data from the surveys in terms of what people explored and what people were thinking about why they voted the way they did come in and i am happy to get some of that on the table. so, let me start -- some of this is obvious coming and then i will go to the less obvious. the starting poin

>> herb greenberg is -- made it -- go on twitter and has the release. he's saying they're taking aim at starbucks. those who have taken aim at starbucks over time are idiots. it's worked. you want to be partners with starbucks. not enemies. worldwide. india, starbucks doing very, very well in the initial and green mountain doing best to try to bury the hatchet before it's buried through their head. >> anyway, retailers we should note and talk about retailers this morning upping the ante for the holiday shopping season. walmart beginning the black friday sales on thursday and starting thanksgiving night, the earliest ever to start those sales. meantime kohl's forecasting a rise in sales in the holiday quarter but earnings guidance for the current quarter is below wall street forecasts. >> they had momentum there and kind of took the wind out of the sail. i still don't like the presentation at kohl's versus target. these door busters, these prices, i think that america's eyes glaze over or go to amazon prime. i know that you're going to get crowds and cer

. >> someone else we like to pluck out a big story, pluck out our herb greenberg.s of stuff going on in green mountain coffee. investors are kind of encouraged by announcement of a new ceo, breed breathing new life into this stock. >> investors maybe encouraged. company bringing in brian kelly, top executive from coca-cola this is what i want to know. why did green mountain wait until today to announce this news when s.e.c. filings say the deal was actually signed on friday? based on that nearly 10% pop in green mountain stock on monday, appears somebody knew something and why is the old ceo leaving now when in february, he extended his contract until the end of next year? not that any of this matters. today, we get one analyst after another analyst upgrading green mountain because of kelley's hiring. yet, the only thing that has changed at green mountain is the ceo. everything else is the same. the say. the ongoing s.e.c. investigation is the same. the class action lawsuits that former employees making scurrilous charges are the same. this says it all. in a nutshe

. >> let me talk herb greenberg off the green mountain cliff, what's up? >> caller: the huge 27% whopping rates today i'm wondering if it's time to take my money and run or more to come from the coffee guru. >> i think tomorrow there will be a little short covering and people were shocked because it should have been an adjoining five but i don't know if it should be a 40. walt in new hampshire. >> caller: hey, jim had been how you doing? >> couldn't be better. >> caller: boo-yah from concord, new hampshire. >> the monitor offer med a job in 1977. i almost took it, what's up? >> caller: i wanted to know your feeling about whirlpool. it keeps on climbing. housing is doing well. should i hang on or ring the register. >> no, i don't want you to sell. it should not be sold. it's been a lagger for many years. i owned it in the '50s in my law school dorm. here's patrick in wisconsin. >> caller: hi, jim, boo-yah. >> by yeah. >> caller: given the recent divergence of price of gold going up and the mining stocks staying level or going down, would it be wise to hang

if you look at the poll greenberg did and i can tell you from my experience with stan, he gives you badws when there's bad news and that poll shows the president with a four-point lead. i think if you look at ohio, it's almost impossible to find anything but a republican sponsored poll that's ever said the president's been ahead. 17,000 interviews over the last ten days in ohio. the president's lead is outside the margin of error, we're going to find out tomorrow and we can stop arguing about it. hopefully, we won't spend weeks in court. i remember 2000 well and 2004. >> as we talk about the racial make-up, victoria, of what the election is going to roll out to be, white voter turnout, 72% estimated in the 2012, or excuse me, white voter turnout, as opposed to the 74% in '08. is the latino make-up in this and the obama campaign going after them, is that going to extend the bleeding? >> and we've been hearing a lot of talk about the latino fire wall and if the poll numbers we've been seeing, we're going to see that latinos are going to hold florida, virginia, nevada and colorado. what we