the house oversight committee released a transcript from gregg hicks. from the get-go, everyone in the mission they knew it was a terrorist attack but perhaps even more powerful, take a look at this. this is what he has to say about the administration's response. first susan rice and what she said are five days after the attacks. do we have sound from ambassador rice? >> that is the best assessment we have today, this was not a preplanned, premeditated attack. that what happened initially it was a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired in cairo as a consequence of the video. >> heather: here is what gregg hicks has to say about that response from the administration. first of all, he says he is asked, did you ever have any indication that there was a protest, a popular protest outside the mission in benghazi. his answer, no. question, ambassador rice did the sunday shows and in advance of that surely you were an integral part of the preparation. is that true? >> no, i was not. i was not in any way of her preparations. so, congressman sestak, i'

. >>> bear in mind as well that gregg hicks or his aides spoke to the state department describing what was going on. they talked to the pentagon and they talked to the african command in germany trying to get help. there was wide array of senior officials in government that knew what is what was going on there. the question is why did the administration --. >> paul: what is your answer, dan? >> my answer is that the talking points were set in the white house either by the president himself or one of his top aides and forced everyone to come up with totally implausible accounts. >> paul: there is new evidence here come out by abc news about the talking points which were distributed to the government as a matter of routine were altered 12 times. this is the highly important part. early on we heard from jay carney that the talking points had all come intel community. >> now, we're learning that various departments were getting in their equities, basically bureaucratic coverups they didn't want to point out the c.i.a. that the diplomatic facilities and western details in benghazi were unde

. >> gregg hicks, he gave incredible testimony about his many efforts to save the people on the groundhazi at the last moment. i think he acquitted himself quite well in the testimony but acquitted himself and his service. >> chris: your loser? >> president obama, hillary clinton and jay carney. this is a story that we have been chasing for a long time and it's collapsing. >> and three women that emerged into freedom after all the years in can activity. along with them charles ramsey that came to a rescue and made himself a hero. my loser is khiarls mills. an able warrior who had worked kind out of limelight but pops up in benghazi hearing. >> chris: as the person who reprimanded gregory hicks for saying what he said. >> you are both wrong. big winner of the week is steve hayes, very, very steve hayes with the panel. he work on the story. he broke the story. he was considered a little bit out there. it turned out he had the story. it's now unraveling. it's the work of one person. the article he wrote last week on the emails, if it doesn't win the national magazine award, the award ough

. >> heather: clearly gregg hicks his testimony were not what we were led to believe initially. congress have to do? >> they have to recall some of the more senior people in the state department. congress can be shielded by executive privilege, but there are a lot of people that were involved if the communication circle on that fateful day and responses afterwards. hearings got very close to who was responsible for walking back the narrative on terrorism. we have no indication where on the youtube video come from. the hearings made clear this week that has strategic consequences. it disrupted the nation's government in libya island delayed the f.b.i. investigation. it had has real world consequences and it matters to follow up on that. >> heather: as an answer to hillary clinton's question, what does it matter? it delayed the f.b.i. to get in there, 15-18 days. >> right. during that period of time the situation was picked very clean. there is no way a crime scene sits well in your investigation proceed better over time. no one has been brought forward as a lead in custody or lea

the other two men are describing themselves as whistleblowers is gregg hick are ri and another terrorism official. on what gregory hick maze say on wednesday based on his conversations with republican senator lindsay graham. >> you will surprised to hear what he says about interaction between him and washington. he is in up two guy. he was chris stevens deputy. he was on the phone with chris right before he died. he is going to give you a chilling story and how he felt when he heard susan rice write this off to a spontaneous riot caused by hateful video. >> molly: you can hear more of the interview on huckabee on fox. they were peppered with questions whether the state department or white house were trying to silence the benghazi survivors. they insisted anyone that wants to testify is welcome to. >> it happened a long time ago. we are unaware of any agency stopping an employee from testifying. >> this has been a closely guarded secret in washington who will provide that information on wednesday. >> heather: there are unanswered questions and later in this hour former ambassador john bol

we reported yesterday that gregg hicks is not a political person. he is not a right winger.mony. there is no way i can write him as an activist or tea party guy. he is career military guy. >> alisyn: all the military efforts experts we have had on, maybe the air ships weren't ready to go somehow and change the course of events over those seven and a half hours. why didn't we even try? here is the general on the show last night. >> the order to actually engage troops in a rescue operation has to come from the president unless its military facility. then the commander has certain authorities, but it has to come from the president to put troops in harm's way. now, in that case because we don't know enough of the details that could have come from the commander of the africa command that told them to stand down. play that all the way out. who told them not to allow that. when you are under attack, we are going to be there. that was the whole point of it. so to say that we didn't know enough -- i don't buy that. i think that is incredible and i think somebody needs to task over th

she called gregg hicks. i don't think she has been asked about it. bill: did he talk to secretary clinton after 2:00 a.m.? >> no. beth jones and cheryl mills yes, hillary clinton no. bill: we have a couple more aged to get to. including democratic reaction to what we watched yesterday. that's forthcoming on america's newsroom. heather: we are going to take a live look at capitol hill where where -- where hearings on the boston bombings are getting underway. bill: new trouble for carnival cruise lines after two passengers small overboard on the coast of australia. a search underway for the missing couple. surveillance video shows the couple falling off a deck 65 miles offshore. they are not sure if the couple jumped or if that was an accident. heather: the first hearings on the boston bombings is underway on capitol hill. lawmakers looking into answers for potential intelligence failures that could have let the two suspects slip through the cracks. among those testifying boston police commissioner edward davis. catherine what is the focus of today's h

bill: gregg hicks will be a critical witness. he was on the ground in tripoli, we believe he may have been the last person to speak with chris stevens. >> he's a career foreign person. he's a real patriot. i think he felt suppressed when i went to visit him in libya. we'll hear what was happening with the military response. we'll hear about the consequences of those talking points. i have got to give it a few hours. bill: in the past you have spoke and you said the country was misled, based on what? >> if it wasn't for darrell issa we would be led to believe the decisions were made on the ground by the security people. that's not true. we have the foreign emergency response team in the state department. we have military assets in country, people ready to go into battle and put their own lives at risk. but we believe they were told to stand down. after the fact the country was led to believe it was some errant video, some mob. that was never true. i don't know what else this will lead to, but there are four things that the adminis

then the questioning from representative chaffetz to gregg hicks, it was about the special forces team and special forces on the ground in tripoli who was going to get on c-130 to get the people out thereof and they were told to stand down. they wouldn't have made it in time for the second attack, the mortar attack that killed the two navy seals. however, we're being told and the lawmakers are being told and we may get to the questioning here that stand down order for the military in tripoli had been issued earlier than that. they were not allowed to go to benghazi. that made them livid. >> megyn: let me stop you there. are we talking about one or two stand down orders? is there a difference between the c-130 team that was ready to deploy and the f.e. s.t. team? >> two different things. these are the libyan and the c-130 is the vehicle by which they were going to take the u.s. forces in tripoli. the fest team is something that would be activated in washington. they would be responding within four hours, technically f.e.s.t. teams operate in crises around the world. the questions by khi

hicks. >> i had the ambassador on the other end and he said, gregg, we are under attack. >> in tripoli at the time of attack, he said he wanted to send a special forces team to benghazi, but was turned down. >> how did the personnel react to being told they were standing down? curious. >> asked about susan rice's comments that the attack was the result of a spontaneous protest, hicks says he's that -- says that he was stunned. he was later demoted to a desk job. on fox news, charles, i heard you ask about the commander in chief's role in all this. >> it would be nice to have a time line for what he did from the be from -- briefing he had to the many hours and the deaths. where was he, who did he speak to, what orders were given? what we are learning from the testimony of hicks and others is the cover-up of the story -- you have to ask yourself, what was even the crime? but the attempt to deflect any blame of what happened began within hours of the attack. when you heard hicks say that the testimony of the video and the demonstration was given, and he heard it and found it stunning, john d

gregg: the whistle-blower gregory hicks testified that he told hillary clinton the very night of the assault this is a terrorist attack yet for days thereafter she claimed, no, it was just outrage over a videotape. so arguably the talking points had to be changed to support her erroneous claims? >> yes. because, david petraeus has come forward saying that the cia assessment was very much more detailed. had a very different conclusion than in fact what they ended up giving the american public. gregg: petraeus now contradicts everything the white house is saying? >> here is the thing, gregg. david petraeus has nothing left to lose. there is nothing more dangerous to a cover-up to an honest man who has nothing left to lose. it is very important, like watergate, that probably the house has a select committee on benghazi. gregg: petraeus could be the sort of john dean benghazi scandal. >> more so. he will know what happened before. why was no additional security offered. who made that decision. while there was no rescue operation while it was on going and he will know after the fact about

the ground, the now deceased ambassador, ambassador stevens, who said to his deputy, gregg, we're under attack. greg hicksknew this was a terrorist attack from the get-go, certainly the president of libya said so on national television. at the same time, susan rice was delivering false information. when you look at this train, you still have to ask the question, how did they go from the correct information to the incorrect information, and isn't 100 pages or more a pushback on the cia effectively telling the cia, you've got to change your story? >> one final question, congressman, before i let you go. the exchange you had with eric holder today, the attorney general of the united states, on a totally unrelated matter, the secretary -- the labor secretary nominee. it was an angry exchange. and he was furious at you. i want to play the exchange for our viewers, because i want you to respond to what he accused you of. it was pretty biting. >> mr. cummings, my ranking member, joined in a letter requesting that we have the full contents pursuant to our subpoena of all 1,200. will you make them available to the

hicks said, his drop dropped when he saw susan rice. i was on another sunday morning show after susan rice made those statements statements and my jaw dropped. >>greggrats? how are they responding to the intensism criticism? >>reporter: they say it is political. the focus of the republican attacks is, of course, hillary clinton, secretary of state at the time. democrats say this clearly is a partisan effort to undermine a possible president a run. >> my concern is when hillary clinton's name is mentioned 32 times in a hearing that the point of the hearing is to discredit the secretary of state who has very high popularity and may well be a candidate for president. >>reporter: of course she has not announce add decision about running. >>gregg: thank you steve. >> benghazi attack is dominating the headlines. what does it mean politically? what will the impact be? our political insiders are here this morning, weighing in on that just ahead. >>heather: iran's president could be punished to 74 lashes for his election filing appearance. a group said they will seek charges against mahmoud ahmadinejad accused of breaking public fund rules by arriving at the