in our politics, one of the other things about abby grossberg that i think is really interesting.at is this fox news -- former fox news producer doing? how did she end up here? she actually answered that to anderson, explaining why she went from being a part of the problem to being almost like a whistleblower. >> i was definitely seduced for about a week by those ideas as tens of millions of americans were. and wondering if there could be evidence. that evidence never came. so for me it took a few days to kind of just realize that the whole thing was a ruse. >> maria bart romo did not push back on sidney powell or rudy giuliani. did you feel an obligation to get in her ear and say you got to push back? >> yeah. and i had statements and i had statements and -- >> you put up a deposition -- a dm dominion statement on the screen and she didn't read it. >> ultimately it was up to her to read it and she didn't. >> do you buy that? >> you know, it's possible that she still believes it, but i think that whole notion that you get seduced by this and you live in this kind of crazy bubble w

grossberg who explosive lawsuit against fox marked a turning point for dominion, in its case againstork also spoke out about the power that carlson tried to wield over politicians. politicians like the house speaker, kevin mccarthy. >> i don't think that journalist should have that kind of power to threaten and bully people. and tucker did and reveled in it. >> he enjoyed that. that was part of his persona. >> yeah. they believed that he could broker who was speaker, house speaker, he wanted to do that live on air but kevin mccarthy said no. >> what do you mean he wanted to do that live on our? >> his plan was to have kevin mccarthy, come on the show, so fast forward to january 5th, they start asking me to book mccarthy on the show that night. i had worked with him a lot when i was at sunday morning features and had a relationship with this team. that afternoon, just in common. and he said, here's the plan. tucker is going to first have kevin on. hear him begged and grovel. then, we'll bring in matt gates and matt gates will then kind of set his terms. then tucker will set his terms

some of it comes from his former head booker, abby grossberg.he's filed a pair of lawsuits against fox in delaware in federal court here in new york. we should also mention, she work for this program in 2007, as an associate producer. she and i spoke just before airtime. >> when you heard that tucker carlson got fired, did you feel vindicated in a way? >> in a way i did at first, it was a shock. so, there's obviously a lot to process. >> you can expect they would do that? >> no, i don't believe people when they told me. >> because he had so much power at the network? >> i thought he was invincible. i thought his team was invincible. they believe they were to. by the way that they behaved. >> you say, in 2 of your lawsuits, you say that you endured over confinement, quote, subjugate women based on vile, sexist stereotypes, typecast religious minorities, belittles their traditions, and demonstrates little to no regard for those suffering from mental illness. and the end of lawsuit you say mr. carson's derogatory comments before women in those -- m

as for people like maria bartiromo, in light of the abby grossberg situation, don't her to be terminated any time soon. they're not going to poke that bear and invite drama from mar eye bartiromo by terminating her. >> tip of the iceberg? are there more? >> well, as we were talking about the "times" is seeking through the judge to have the messages un-redacted and more of it made public. that, i assume, will take many days if not weeks, if think longer. i don't think that will be a quick process. my guess is that fox will make its own argument in the course of it. but you know, when i sort of step back from all of this and look at this, you have to look at this in the totality of the damage that the dominion suit did to fox. it cost it over $700 million. it created starting in february with the disclosure of the text messages that did come out, very, very bad publicity for the company publicly, and created internal issues and finger pointing about what people were saying about each other in private messages. and it's led to the disclosure of this message. we would not have seen this mess

. >> abby grossberg, thanks for being with us. >>> the rape trial for the former president, the evidence say proves her statements. that's next. and expertise you need to bring o out the innovator in you. but now that i got the inspire implant, it's making me think of doing otherhings i've been putting off. like removing that tattoo of your first wi's name. inspire. learn more and view important safety information at inspiresleep.com. >>> attorneys for jean carroll, the woman accusing donald trump of rape. described the phone call she said she received moments after the alleged attack in the mid-1990s. she was hyperventilating and emotional. another woman claims the president assaulted her on an airplane in the 1970s. the president has denied all counts. paula, what can you tell us? >> reporter: carroll's attorneys put on the witnesses to bolster their case. a contemporaneous account is so important. it happened 30 years ago. i remember she called me after it happened, what she sounded like, how i interpreted it. but she told carroll at the time what she was hearing was a rape, but at th

client feel emboldened by other lawsuits from dominion and smartmatic and former fox producer abby grossberg to start to speak out and step up to hold the company accountable. >> max rodriguez, thank you so much for your time. a second hour of the mehdi hasan show after this break. and we will discuss a new development in the george santos saga and i will be joined by a trio of democratic state attorneys. make your dream car...a reality. mercedes-benz certified pre-owned vehicles are rigorously inspected to live up to the highest of expectations. (wheezing) asthma isn't pretty. it's the moment when you realize that a good day... is about to become a bad one. but then, i remembered that the world is so much bigger than that, with trelegy. because one dose a day helps keep my asthma symptoms under control. and with 3 medicines in 1 inhaler, trelegy helps improve lung function so i can breathe easier for a full 24 hours. trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. trelegy contains a medicine that increases risk of hospitalizations and death from asthma problems when us

the evidence from abbey grossberg every grossman seems more evidence that he knew and that all the peopleere was no fraud. people who are espousing this nonsense could not support. they knew it wasn't true. fox knew it wasn't true. so did the people speaking. and every piece of evidence that weighs in on this helps in all the cases that are pending. including the smartmatic case, as well as every other situation. the jacks mitt investigations. all of that will be held by this. as will the georgia case. i expect it will be brought earlier in the timeframe that bonnie willis has laid out because of the unique requirements in georgia about how you have to go to have a speedy trial. she would want to do it early in the time of the grand jury, rather than later. probably july. >> panel, please stick around, there's a lot more to discuss. we're going to turn our attention to another major trial. this one involving the former leader of the proud boys. he's placing the blame for january six, you guessed, for january six, you guessed, it donald trump's feet. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed

it might cost them money, because abby grossberg has to lawsuits against them. likes to use. so, you know, it's not because they suddenly said oh, he called joan walsh the sea word. and he has called these other people, -- love sponge, you know, calling women the sea word and saying sexist things. no. they do not care. it could cost them money, it maybe did cause the money, and it could embarrass the network even further. so, it's just appalling. >> yeah. the lines that you quassa fox or not the racism sexism lines. it is -- costs money lines. i noticed a lot of other hosts who cost the money, wonder what they are thinking this week about their future. and career prospects. jamele bowie, joan walsh, thank you both for your time tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> coming up next, the men behind the watergate scandal, the stars of hbo's new chair -- david mandel joins us next to talk about what makes this show so different. so different one... back... one... the school play was really coming together. ♪ until... disaster struck. ♪ tensions... were high. lucki

and here is what abby grossberg had to say that were tucker's next plans. his next move. >> tucker is going to first have kevin on. hear him beg and gravel. then we'll bring in matt gaetz and matt gaetz will then kind of set his terms. then tucker will set his terms that mccarthy has to agree to. >> tucker carlson had terms for mccarthy. >> had terms, yeah, had terms. >> the challenge is, charlie, tucker believed rightly he controlled the republican party. jd vance, all the rest. they work for fox, right? and fox works for whoever the wildest people in their base are, the craziest. >> this is a key point because what you had here is tucker's hubris, the fact he had this over weaning sense of pride. he believed he was bigger than fox. he believed he was the king maker. he believed that he could go on the air and make united states senators gravel because they would. he thought that he could -- that he could control the speakership of the house of representatives because, maybe he could. he could get the former president to do his bidding. but the problem is

rupert murdoch himself and that carlson's exit is related to a discrimination lawsuit filed by abby grossberger fired by the network last month meanwhile, the "wall street journal" reported that tucker carlson's vulgar offensive messages about his colleagues helped seal his fate at fox news. and then "vanity fair" reported yet another, stranger theory that tucker carlson's prayer talk may have led to his fox news ouster, with one source saying, "that stuff freaks rupert out." [ laughter ] and it wouldn't surprise me. rupert murdoch definitely seems like the kind of guy who, even if he did go to church, would play hardball when the collection basket comes around "i'm not giving you [ bleep ] a bloody cent unless i get vip access to heaven." look, we can't - [ laughter ] we can't guarantee vip access. we can tell saint peter to expedite the entry process "all right, all right. here's a dollar. hold on! i'm taking that 85 cents don't move the basket you [ bleep ]! [ laughter ] by the way, it also wouldn't surprise me if, when it comes to a guy like tucker carlson, there was, you know, more than

scandals around, a tv presenter in particular, a lawsuit against and a happy former producer emby grossbergwho claims that the working environment in his team is an unbearable wife. hateful carlson allegedly subjugates women based on vile sexist stereotypes and also shows little to no respect for those who suffer from mental illness. it took me a while to connect these dots. another obvious version is already in all american kitchens, the democrats, they pressed the pressure, and finally they crushed the nordak. in anticipation of the chosen cycle, it is sealed with a mouth. you will not talk about biden's dementia, but his son's drug addiction, but a rotten snickering deep state. but this assumption is beaten by two facts in focus. news, there are many presenters who also actively continue to criticize the current american system. secondly, not all snakes of the empire have a muzzle about the republican yes and carlson would not have been a carlson. if one of the users of the tweet were so simple, the congressman, by the way, subtly remarked tucker, the first journalist in history who brok