whether or not they're buying them from a gun sale from a gun seller a licensed gun dealer a gun show or someone or some guy off the internet this is their property first of all i wish i still had that naive belief that the government is good and can be trusted this has nothing to do with the government will they do with these background checks it creates the defacto congress do you think we should have no background checks you think in ninety four when the law was created to prevent background checks i would have is against the next you're going to say that i know you're a soldier you're high that the one point eight million people who've been turned down trying to buy guns as a through background checks i would say to those two million syrians are those are false positives very small percentage i would say seventy five percent. well the numbers there and you can have your numbers i can remember my numbers here but do you agree that there are mentally ill people in violent criminals out there who are trying to do you think they should have guns do you think they have already been adj

have guns? >> anyone that's permitted and goes through the right training, sir, i think should be able to carry a gun. long as they go through the proper government safety laws, sir. >> and get the training. get the certifications that all gun owners are required to have to have a concealed hand gun permit on their person. >> on their person. >> dan patrick, let me come to you. do you agree with this? >> yes. in fact, i thought you were going to have a new issue tonight, piers. i thought you would want banning of knives all over america because you have wanted to ban guns and let's in a very serious mode, piers -- >> why would you start the conversation by being so completely facetious? >> because actually, the way you've been thinking about the whole gun issue, i found just totally out of touch with reality. >> i know. it's crazy, isn't it. it's crazy that i think 100,000 americans being shot a year is out of control. crazy, i think the 30,000 americans who kill themselves every year or shoot o

gun debate added urgency. four firefighters held who is damage by barricaded gunman are safe after an ordeal that lasted for hours. the suspect exchanged gunfire with s.w.a.t. officers and is now dead. the firefighters had superficial injuries. cnn's david mattingly is live for us in suwanee, georgia, with more tonight. david? >> reporter: piers, this started as a standard sort of medical call. firefighters got the call that there was someone in medical distress. they showed up at this address, came out with their equipment, had a gurney, went inside the house. and at that point they realized there was something very wrong here. they encountered a man with some kind of weapon who then held them hostage for several hours. we were able to hear the voice of one of the firefighters after they encountered this man. this was from scanner traffic that was overheard as he was radioing back, telling everyone what the situation was that they ran into. listen. >> we are in a situation where we have a, uh -- an armed pers

reduce gun violence and reduce senseless gun death. law enforcement officials across the country need this legislation to protect our communities from illegal weapons, and if you are a responsible law-abiding gun owner watching this, you should support this legislation, too. and i could tell you my friends who are second amendment supporters and are gun owners and are hunters, they support this commonsense legislation. so i'm urging all of my colleagues on both sides of the aisle to join us. stand with families in our communities all across the country who are looking to us to take action, to prevent the next senseless tragedy, to prevent the next death, the next naisha pryor yard. i urge you to stand with the brave men and women of our law enforcement at every level who are asking us to take these critical commonsense measures needed so that they can do a better job for us and to keep our families safer. i yield the floor. mr. blumenthal: madam president? the presiding officer: the senator from connecticut. mr. blumenthal: thank you,

or gun violence. just like i never cut out imagined that i would be standing here in the wake of 20 little kids having died in sandy hook or six adults who protected them. but sometimes issues find you. so here i am. i am pleased to have the majority leader and majority whip and so many of my colleagues on the floor with me here today. i want to start with the unpleasant parts. i take it is important for all of my colleagues to understand why we're having this debate in next week about gun violence. why for the first time we were able to break the logjam and started doing something about the gun violence that has plagued this nation. to just box your ears and pretend it did not happen. just pretend it did not -- it is not here. it is here. the next new town names are does waiting to be added to the list if we do nothing. here is what we do. sometime in the early morning hours of december 14, a very disturbed, reclusive man named adam lanza went into his mother's arms and shot her dead in her sleep. a

registry and intimidate state and national gun makers at lawmakers excuse me sympathetic to gun control gun control supporters one victories in connecticut and colorado the n.r.a. has used its lobbying weight to ensure that republican lawmakers in congress toed that party line and has been the case throughout the obama administration republicans have used their block anything the president supports strategy to kill ideas like the new assault weapons ban that most of the country supports but out of the families of gun violence victims feel about the senate's going to control initiative what the law enforcement officials think needs to be done to stop america's plague of gun crime i'm now joined by emily not him whose son gave an aide to congresswoman gabby giffords was killed in tucson arizona when the congresswoman was shot in two thousand and eleven in art pace of itoh chief of police for austin texas welcome to both of you thank you joining us tonight family first of all as the mother of a victim of gun violence what's your sense of what's going on here what but i don't want to get in

director of the gun owners of america. followed by exit interviews with outgoing interior secretary ken salazar and transportation secretary ray lahood. >> this week on "newsmakers" we want to welcome to larry pratt. thank you. we have to reporters with us to help with questions, david sherfinski and ginger ibson. let me have you tell us the difference between your group and the national rifle association. > the easiest way would be two points are how we were organized. after the war between the states, they organized the nra. a hundred years later when you organized not to help the government but to oppose the government because of the growing flood of legislation we were facing. that shapes our attitudes from the very beginning. >> how would you say you are different? > we have maintained a position opposed to the background checks from the get go. the nra now agrees with us on that. we are very happy that is the case. it makes it much more likely that we will prevail in stopping the background check from getting put on

it already takes place in gun shops, licensed gun dealers. so what they don't like is that now this also creates more paper work and there is, yes, this concern that this is just the beginning and that eventually even though it's not federalized it's not hooked up in one big information system it can to be done. >> they essentially believe the government is not going manage it properly which is why when you had this, this compromise today on guns specifically they had, to they spelled out what the bill will not do and one of the things the bill will not do is it will not create a national registry and makes it illegal. >> the big fear is if there's a national registry the federal government will knock on everyone's door. there won be a national registry. >> the white house is making a major push this week. the president, vice president, the first lady. the debate will go on for a while and then move on the house. will the president continue to be out front? >> yes. the president and the white house will continue pushing, wolf. we can try to d

some of your tweets that have come in on gun control and on gun legislation kim tweets, your gun rights stop at my child. americans are looking to us for solutions. senator lea i'm not. and david, tweets want to watch me alienate everyone. we own guns. i'm also a giant supporter of increased gun control. it's possible. your tweets coming in at hash tag gun control. remieshed coming up at 1:15 eastern we'll have live coverage of john boehner's briefing and following that will be house minority leader nancy pelosi. we'll have live coverage at c-span2. >>> while we wait earlier today jeffrey the acting districter of office and management budget deafed about the 2014 budget. >> i want to commend the president for bringing a budget that however was 65-days late, the law of the land states the president presents a budget on the first monday of february, and the president of his administration did not do so. one would have thought had he taken that much time he would have presented a budget that actually balanced. he had the extra time to do so. sadly, that's not what the budget does. it incre

>> these guns guns were illegal. are we really going to say, america, we will disarm you, legal, law abiding citizens when these thug assembly lines are going on? please, let's have more people on the other side of the door, on the good side of the door armed so the criminal does president -- doesn't know and he goes ding dong you are dead. maybe it is ding dong you are dead. >> or a transition into a different policy and set of laws which would be legalization. interesting. >>> coming up, in the white house are they -- i am not going to say that. afraid of mat drudge? one of the president's key advisors says what the drudge report does is, quote, very damaging to what they are trying to accomplish. how the white house deals with one of the fiercest critics when we come back. >> matt drudge is is a legend on the internet. he is a power house and reports to no one. regular folks are big fans as well. check out these numbers. about 33 million visits in the last 24 hours alone. almost 900 million in the last month. get

you sell him 12 guns, he comes back a week later, guys another 12 guns you probably ought to noticehat these weapons are probably not for the soul use of that gun owner. so why should we let the seller off the hook when if they were in any other industry a bar tender, or a grocer selling cigarettes to minors we don't let any of those people off the hook, but we do let the gun industry off of the hook and that doesn't make sense. >> michael: yeah, i totally agree, and i think people don't know about this which is why your legislation is so important even in starting the conversation, and it's a very small minority of gun sellers that are irresponsible. why is the gun industry and lobbyists so resistant to changing this law? >> well, again, it's where the money from the nra comes from. but holding the industry accountable is something that they are simply and diametrically opposed to and any industry that could get a free pass that negligently, wouldn't get the free pass, unfortunately this industry has gotten their will through congress in part because of the weakness of some of the

nancy lanza probably thought she was a sick gun owner and then one day or guns were taken by or doraine son turned on her and turned on twenty little kids and their teachers at newtown elementary school and who's responsible for all this while knowing if a car was responsible for all this carnage someone would be liable to compensate the victims but since it was a gun nothing so shouldn't we take some of the same precautions with gun ownership that we do with car ownership congressman carolyn maloney from new york thinks so should reduce the firearm risk protection act requires gun owners to purchase liability insurance just like car owners in case their gun is used to kill or injure someone if gun owners don't want to purchase insurance well that's ok but they'll have to pay a ten thousand dollars fine so they can cut it so that they can cover whatever damage their gun may cost to society in the future this simple measure will make people think carefully about buying a gun in the risks associated with it just as people think carefully about driving a car in the risks associated with th

guy to have a gun. an extraordinary video of a store owner wielding a bat at the gunman. he had enough with robberies and he had to do something. he most certainly did and good for him. thanks to my audience, that's all for us tonight.

by gun violence? i think on this particular -- ring this particular debate, post-newtown, post-aurora that gun advocates have gone done this that road and second amendment advocates have done a asking on repeating them you show me how this helps? ask me how this helps. if you ask him on piers morgan on cnn he crushed him because he made logical arguments. the fact is, doing something, which is say the assault weapons prevent id not columbine when it is as piece of legislation. looking a the situation saying we must do something, this is something. let's do it. that is not sufficient. in fact, i would argue that when you look at chicago or washington, d.c. that enacting the same laws that have failed and do not protect the people that you want to protect that you're edging from sillyness into criminal negligence. you're disarming people, you're taking people's freedoms away and you're doing nothing to help the people you claim you want to help. don't tell me i don't care. you tell me what you're doing

gun store. subjected to background check. and if you go online you will be subject to the same as your if you buy a gun online in another state. so those are all the things we're doing but yes, we got everybody to the table. we have spoken to the nra and i cannot tell you what the position is but i can tell you we have done the things that pat said we just did. we strengthened basically the rights of the law-abiding gun owners to be able to exercise our second amendment rights, but we've also i think in a tremendous favor to the citizens of our great country on background checks, expanded into keep people's guns from people should have been. people have been criminally adjudicated, and mentally adjudicated. >> senator, are you worried that -- [inaudible] >> what matters to me is human rights. i think this is the right thing, and i think most pennsylvanians will agree that making it more difficult for criminals, mentally ill people to obtain guns is the right thing to do, securing the rights of l

at gun shops. to show all of you what was going on what it takes to buy a gun. >> chris. >> mike, what can i do for you? >> i'm looking for home protection shotgun. >> okay. i'm going to bring you down to our shotgun section. >> reporter: seems simple, but there's more to it than you might think. every purchase from a licensed dealer requires a federal background check. are you under indictment? no. have you been convicted of any felony? no. 20 personal questions including mental health history. thousands across the country and it could feel like an obstacle course. >> there's a background check for the rifle. if you live in the city, there's a rifle shotgun card, if there's a pistol, there's also a pistol license. >> reporter: but this pails in comparison to the pain the nation felt on december 14th in newtown, connecticut. the most vulnerable victimized by dangerous weapons in the wrong sick hands. cnn's latest poll shows people want it to stop. calls to do something resulting in demands for expa

guns. reporter: what? the city actually pays the company to destroy guns, fully automatic assault weapons, short-barreled rifles, short-barelied shotguns >> reporter: you see, gun termination happen right in heller's backyard when two town councilmen organized a gun buy-back program to take old existing guns out of the community for destruction. and when heller witnessed the gun carnage, it was just too hard breaking. >> what a waste. reporter: what a waste. mmmm. >> that one makes me think about what happened in the warsaw ghetto in 1943 >> reporter: it does shades of what helped lead to the holocaust. >> reporter: very definitely not overstating it. >> nope. it's not. >> reporter: nope. i couldn't bear witness to this horror any longer. so i went to confront gun hitler himself, steve >> we gave people a legitimate opportunity to get guns out of their homes that they simply didn't want there anymore >> reporter: give me your guns. that is an order. so i can melt them down >> right. in the

gun store.m another state and i call pat's state in pennsylvania, i'm in west virginia, they send the gun. they have it send the gun to an ffl dealer, a licensed dealer and i have to go there and do a background check. all we're saying is no matter where you buy the gun, in state or out of state you have to go through the same process. >> i would say three simple things here. our legislation strengthens background system and makes it work efficiently and quickly for a law abiding citizen to get the approval and it makes it more difficult for the criminals and mentally dangerous to obtain weapons and, thirdly, better secure second amendment rights in a variety of other areas for law abiding citizens. which of those three do we disagree with? i understand people on the left want to ban categories of guns and ammo i would never support. our bill does none of that and if it did i wouldn't support it. >> let me interrupt you, pat. >> yeah. >> how does your bill strengthen second amendment rights? wha

a lot of gun safety is important in the home in terms of how the gun is locked up or how the gun is usedw the gun is talked about in the home. >> we have about 30 seconds left. in a child is exposed to gun violence, what with week do to keep them from being further traumatized? >> avoid too much reaction, get used for yourself before you start engaging with them in terms of a conversation. >> cheryl: great advice. we do have to take a break, but when we come back we'll hear from a local mother who lost two sons at the same time to gun violence. stay with us. we'll be right back. [ female announcer ] this is a special message from at&t. [ male announcer ] it's no secret that the price of things just keeps going up. [ female announcer ] but we have some good news. it's our bundle price promise. [ male announcer ] a price you can definitely count on for two whole years. from at&t. call now for a new low price. u-verse triple play bundles start at $79 a month. get the same great price for two years. [ female announcer ] plus now get two times the internet speed than before. [ male announcer

to guns purchased at gun shows or over the internet.are already purchased through a background check system. this would have covered a lot of the guns that are currently outside that system. shows respect for gun owners and respect for victims of gun violence. gabby giffords, by the way is both. she's a gun owner and a victim of gun violence. she supports these background checks. in fact, even the nra used to support expanded background checks. the leader of the nra used to support these background checks. so while this compromise didn't contain everything i wanted or everything that these families wanted, it did represent progress. it represented moderation and common sense. that's why 90% of the american people supported it. but instead of supporting this compromise, the gun lobby and its allies willfully lied about the bill. they claimed that it would create some sort of big brother gun registry. even though the bill did the opposite. this legislation, in fact, outlawed any registry. plain and simple. right there in the text. but tha

, a federally licensed gun dealer.: talk birck ronnie. >about irony.y. >> who thinks everyone needs a background check. lou: but you got carried away, it goes beyond background checks, in connecticut deciding that another hundred guns are illegal now, going past mental illness. i got interrupted -- i must -- >> i'm sorry, i didn't mean to interrupt you, i want to clarify. lou: you have a minute left. >> you are right. that mental health is a problem in this country, across the world, we have to treat it better, but in united kingdom in go given year there are 45 gun-related murders here about 11,000 to 12,000, the difference is the way we handle gun laws, not they are less mentally ill than we are. lou: there are a lot of subsets of differences, but the fact is that we have a constitution that i like to see honored, if you like the magna carta go for it. that is an option. >> never been a fan of the magna carta. lou: how do you think it will unfold. >> i think that members are congress are having a hard fight, they are

has a very high number of guns. therefore, there is going to be more chances for somebody to be killed with a gun. >> right. right. >> right. >> right. that's my point. the senate might think living in a society with dramatically reduced gun violence is eye who-dee-do, and people in australia couldn't agree with him more. >> whoop-dee-do. >> whoop-dee-do, mate. >> whoop-dee-do, whatever that means. >> whoop-dee-( bleep )-do! ( cheers applause ) >> jon: welcome back. my guest tonightlitzer prize-winning correspondent for the "new york times." is new book is called "the way of the knife: the cia, a secret army, and a war at the ends of the earth." please welcome to the program, mark mazzetti mazzetti. how are you. nice to see you thp this is "the way of the knife" the c.i.a. and secret army" which i'm guessing is really not so secret anymore. >> not so much. >> jon: how did you get access to this information? >> it was hard. there were a lot of people who don't want to talk. and there were sources that i had spent a l

hollywood loves their guns. hollywood is that going to give up their guns. there is preaching that we should give up our guns. >> can you talk about the u.n. arms straight treaty and why --re is such a position vociferous opposition? is almost never likely to get a 2/3 vote of the senate. >> why do you say that? >> the u.n. treaty would require gun licensing to comply with terms of the treaty. we have a government that ran fast and furious. porringer mexicans were murdered by criminals that our government gave guns. this judgment over whether i could have a gun without their provision, this government has bank implicit in murder nothing has been done about this. the attorney general was caught lying under oath. he has been turned over to federal court of prosecution for the house. nothing. >> can i go back to what you said about speaker bayer -- john boehner saying he had no backbone? he had tremendous leverage as the with the -- fellow with the purse to say we will knock this out. we're going to get rid of obamacare. that is the way you can get rid of it, p

more guns out there.inder most crime happens within families. i want to bring out a point about separating the dangerously mentally ill from criminals. criminals belong in prisons and mentally ill people need treatment. and i think underlying it all is a lack of accessible treatment for most individuals. >> we also need good ideas. i want to bring in lauren sorge, you have a great idea, called the life plate. and you designed this because you had relatives caught up in school shootings, not personally, but were there when they happened. and you thought enough is enough. what is the idea you came up with? >> okay. so this right here is the life plate shield. this is kind of an example of what it looks like. and this one specifically was shot close-range with a .44 magnum. and you can kind of see where the bullet penetrated. but it does not go through. and most bullet-proof shields or protection, for that matter, are made out of kevlar, which is like the universal material. but this isn't made out of kevlar

guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun? >> it doesn't work. it doesn't work. >> reporter: realistically, had she not been shot would the pro-gun congresswoman have been open to voting for stricter gun laws? candidly, would you have said yes? >> yes. yes. >> i think it depends on what those measures were. >> yes. >> gabby was middle of the road. >> middle of the road. >> she was -- >> straight in the middle. >> reporter: there is no question the gun culture is deeply ingrained in giffords. it has to be to still expose herself to guns, even after her near fatal shooting. what's it like to sit and hear the gunshot go off? does it startle you? >> no. no. >> i think that's because gabby doesn't remember the gunshot going off the day she was injured. you don't remember that? >> no. >> reporter: if you could, would you shoot a gun today? >> yes. >> we've talked about it. gabby's actually held it. hasn't shot one since she's been injured, but a few days ago she was actually trying to aim with it with her left hand. >> reporter: is

they deal with guns every day they hunt with guns and defend themselves with guns and my dad was a gun dealer. i know it is a lot of fun to shoot guns. on our side, it is a less of a culture or lifestyle issue. we sort of care when something bad happens. but i think the difference is that traditional intensity gap has been wiped away by this rapidly escalating series of increasingly terrible mass shootings in the two years i've had this job, we had tucson, aurora newtown and tens of thousands of other people murdered in two years. people have reached a breaking point. they want to see something done. >> john: you said something pivotal there. you think the intensity gap has been wiped out. the amount of hate i get from guys on twitter who don't understand what a well-regulated militia means is astonishing. do you think the gun-safety regulation posse has the same intensity and is ready to bring the fight to this tiny minority that seemingly controls the rest of us? >> there is intensity and then there's intensity. i think on our side, we don't really have the people who show up at cong

why not a gun? i mean, at least a car has a remdemptive value of getting people one place to another. a gun is an instrument to kill something. whether you know, so i would think that we would be able to make more progress than this. as i said before, it is not something i would oppose because it doesn't actually do something bad. but it is so much less than the people, the american people deserve. it's so little and so meager and to think that they're running into opposition for doing something this small, the fact is in my own district, we had people, we add gun violence prevention forum in my district just last week. we had a lot of people in attendance telling stories about how they lost their fathers, lost their children, lost their son. it is just so sad. you mentioned chicago, they've had an ep dem ib of gun violence there. i just think we ought to be able to do more. and i think we shouldn't settle for this. although, we ought to take it, move forward and keep on plugging. >> thank you so mu

and they want a gun and get a gun. >> i see. i thought the guns were waiting to get over here. >> let me ask you this. where are the gun manufacturers in d.c.? >> there's not a gun store. >> they're not made here. they come in here. i want to go back to my moral question which may work with you or not. if you're a moral gun salesman, do you want to sell to criminals? >> i don't think anybody wants to still -- >> how do you help a person not sell to a criminal? >> we're not helping -- >> no, how do you help a gun her hasn't from not selling to criminals? >> because the criminals are not being thwarted. the tradeoff -- >> in other words, guns on demand? >> national gun registry, that's unacceptable. >> your argument is guns on demand. walk into a store, i'm a citizen, you got to sell me that gun. i don't care how crazy i look, you have to sell me the gun. >> that actually will not impair the ability -- >> you don't have a good argument. let me tell you how good your argument is doing. >> all you want is control. you want to know w

gun enthusiasts were five and six deep at the gun show. despite the natnal debate in washington, gun ownership and local gun shows are as hot as ever. >> i think the resentment of law-abiding gun owners is the random act0s of homicidniac are being p o lawful, legal guck owners. >> bob is the owner of crossroads of the west gun show. based in exput do more than 60 shows a year. san francisco is among the company's top revenue generators. >> johns i one of the reasons why the ehaven't is so pop explar why the attendees will spend thousands of dollars on the hot's item of the day, ammo. >> came from four counties away to get ammo because nobody has ammo, and this is very disconcerning. >> the line was two hours long. john and others felt compelled to wait it out. he is concerned legislation will require people to register before they can purchase ammunition so, like everyone hells, -- else, he i stocking up. >> if a they understand the safety -- mechanisms tested to make sure they're safe. there she about less concern. we're the good guys, no

the guns. could have saved the life of ricky berzon and could also save the lives of so many others who were being gunned down on the street because people are owning and using guns who have no legal right to. the train to amendment business in the direction of closing the gap in the law. i know the gun lobby opposes this amendment and i don't know what their position is on the underlying the, but overwhelmingly american think i'm undersupported. so here's the question, can the senate rise above the political pressure to go for this measure? we need 60 votes in any of that to be bipartisan. not just the majority on the side of the aisle, but a good number on the other side. i am encouraged by last week's vote because last week we had a preliminary vote about whether we were even going to debate this issue and there is a question about it. before the vote came out, 13 republican senators including the minority leader sent a public letter saying they were going to oppose any effort to debate the

i can't imagine -- host: you said you were a gun owner. have you ever bought a gun at a gun show? caller: i have begun from individual people, i have bought a gun from a gun show. -- do youou think have a problem with the fact that you get checked at retail stores but he did not get checked again show? checked out aget gun show? shows: i go to many gun in the state of arizona. when you purchase a firearm at a fromhow, if you purchase an individual owner you do not require a check. ffl if you purchase from an sales person,l they ahve a store or are ffl licensed, then they are required to have you fill out a background check from and call it in. host: there is a difference between the individual and the ffl holder. do you think that difference ought to be maintained. caller: no, sir. it would lead to a national gun registry. it would be no different than it is in great britain. to a seizing lead and eventually come down to you need a permit ownven own a firearm or meantms that are only for hunting or clay shooting who is to say it will not turn into a police state? host: are you ind

opponents of actual guns or the gun laws.th one with bill o'reilly at the beginning of this debate. one was suggested a federal law that had already passed post virginia tech massacre with 98 percent of the senate behind it so he had no idea what laws were already there. and i had to say you know, that all are basically semi-automatic, right? they said why would you ban those? i said okay. explaining that and pointing that out if you want to make new laws you should learn what the ones are that are in place. also to echo civilians who stop these incidents to become a household name to make our job to make that happen. it is disrespectful. he is not looking to be obeyed hero i am sure and not wanting a ticker-tape parade but these are the people who do protect us. their stories are ignored. plainly, willfully. on purpose. bringing those to light using that data right after newtown that no civilian had never stopped a man shooting but they classified it it had to be four or more people died but they stop them before they kill f

>> well, it is not about gun control anymore but gun violence prevention.hat support in the u.s. congress, as well right now. no. i think the reason it is a package, the democratic leadership made the determination we will go together, all holding hands on these and all of them to get to the governor's desk. >> what would you say to those in the cross roads of the gun control show in san francisco today, controlling or taxing the ammunition they buy. >> that is the debate. we see the horrific tragedy that is occur and the daily gunning down of so many americans. the gun violence in this country is off the charts compared to trading partners. so, what good are guns without ammunition? we are not implying sport's people can't enjoy their sport, but as diane feinstein argued so articulately, why do we need semi-automatic weapon, weapons of war, on our streets. i mean, it is easier to buy ammunition than sudafed. what sense is that? >> that is your message to the people of the cross roads today as they stack up the ammunition in record numbers in anticipation o

guns than have dogs.t's a statistic we just found from the nationwide children's hospital. more guns than dogs in america, pets in america. so you think about it that way, we don't ask these questions. i think newtown has changed that. look, a colleague today told me it would be offensive to ask someone if they had guns in the home. it would be like asking if they had a pedophile in the family. it's not really the same. newtown has changed everything. we're asking more questions because we're worried and because we've changed the way we think about -- >> we need to ask those questions, christine. thank you so much. kyra, i will baby sit. i've baby sat them before and i will bring the checklist, okay. >> i don't worry about you. i do not worry at all about you. i would let my kids live with you if i needed to. >> i'll borrow them, how's that? >> that's a deal. >> of course, you can follow kyra. she continues to tackle all these issues when she talks about "raising america," her show airing weekdays on hln.

their gun. and they didn't buy it from a federally licensed firearm dealer. they bought it from one of us. and the very fact that we're going to have a piece of legislation go through here that will not solve the real problem of keeping hands out of the mentally impaired and felons is a shame. and there are ways that we can do that. i haven't talked to one gun owner that i know that doesn't agree with the fact that they would like to be able to know that if they sold their gun, they didn't want it to go into the hands of a felon or somebody mentally impaired. and yet, we get hung up on records, and the proposal that comes from senator toomey and senator manchin and senator kirk is a step forward, i won't deny that, but tell me how a record, which is only going to be looked at after a crime is committed, is going to help anybody that's a victim of that crime? it's not. so if you really want to solve this problem, what you have got to do is put in the hands of us americans who are law-abiding the

gun control has been turned into gun safety legislation.rywhere else. how do you negotiate with people that want total gun bans? how do you do that? >> well, i guess you would say shoot them. >> caller: come on now that's ridiculous. >> jim! >> stephanie: he's engaging in hyperbole to prove a point. >> caller: i would like to debate the issue and say cut background checks, we have that in illinois. it doesn't hurt anybody's ability to own a gun. >> stephanie: tim again you're starting with a straw man. jim went immediately to hyperbole. who wants to take away all of the guns? nobody does. >> caller: i would have to say feinstein said mr. and mrs. america turn in your guns. i would say the person buying the assault weapons ban is -- >> that's not realistic. she understands that's not realistic. >> why is it not realistic? i know anti-gun people that want total gun bans. that's it. that's what -- >> that's not what is being proposed. >> stephanie: do you think any american believes that is going to happen or it is possible? >> caller: yes. >>

they were legal guns before they became illegal guns. somewhere along the line their status transferred. and the question is: what can we do to stop that transformation from happening? i believe in the second amendment. i believe in the protection that it affords people to own a gun, to be able to hunt or to shoot for sport or to protect themselves. but i want to make sure that guns stay in that legal category and don't leach into the illegal category. that's why 90% of americans think that we should have a law in this nation that provides for universal mandatory background checks for everybody that buys a gun. that's a really simple thing to do. this is just a sampling of the lives that could have been protected. the gun that was used in newtown, that went through a background check. but so many of the guns that are used to kill boys and girls and young adults, men and women in our cities, those guns don't go through background checks. we think about 40% of guns that are sold across this country don't go through background checks. one o

gun grabbers.nwhile back in washington the senate is opening debate tomorrow on a second amendment crushing gun control bills that may not include restrictions on semiautomatics for magazine capacity but does include background checks and a complete ban on holding your gun sideways because you saw it in a movie once. >> i'm giving a wag of my finger to the senate republicans. last week kentucky senator and home birth cautionary tale rand paul promised woe filibuster this bill. now the republicans have cold feet because 85% of the gun owners favor universal background checks. well, of course owners are okay with background checks. they've already got their guns. [laughter] the same reason i support a mandatory herpes vaccine. i've already had mine. besides the issue is gun violence. why do we keep talking about guns? no one has the courage to talk about the real problems, and when i say no one i usually mean joe scarborough because this morning he hit the head on the nail. jim? >> why don't you say