sanjay gupta.ll, i spoke to a number of nurses and instead of the regular cdc precautions, they went up and above. they said, we want the suits. we want the suits. what do you think in terms of the nurses? are they in a position to be ready to properly handle ebola if it should come to their hospital? >> well, nurses are on the front lines 24/7 and we are sounding the alarm because the majority of nurses are reporting to us that they have not seen hospital emission policies. that they have not been able -- they've received no education and/or training in terms of active training and education on how to deal with the patients from triage throughout their hospital stay. we're sounding the alarm. we know that we can do better in the u.s. hospitals but unfortunately it's a fragmented disparate response. >> the nurse apparently knew that the patient was from liberia, and then the system crashed. don't they have to ask questions repetitively? it's not good enough to say, i asked the question. why didn't

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sanjay gupta. also joining us, senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen. i think we should begin with the second health care worker for folks just waking up to learn this news about the second nurse testing positive for ebola among the people that cared for thomas eric duncan. how did this all happen? what was the chain of events they found out she was sick? did she present and say "okay, guys, things are serious now"? >> they haven't explained to us whether she took her own temperature and saw it was elevate word will it was during one of these visits that she and her colleagues have been getting from health officials that they took the temperature and figured it out. the bottom line is they caught it very early on and that's really crucial so there was very little time for her to get -- for her to infect someone else. >> sanjay, i think a lot of people are looking at this with alarm right now because when thomas eric duncan was finally diagnosed with ebola after being sent home, we should say

sanjay gupta thank you for being with us. we'll check back with you. >>> five minutes past the hour, we're learning of another shocking breach of security just a few feet from the president. a private security contractor with a gun, sharingen elevator with president obama when he visited the cdc in atlanta two weeks ago. this is a violation of secret service protocol. the revelation tuesday seems to conflict with testimony given at a congressional hearing just hours earlier. testimony by secret service director julia pierson. she testified she briefs the president on any serious breach. and the only briefing she's given him is the one with the fence jumper omar gonzalez. on tuesday, the secret service was given a bipartisan thrashing over the september 19th white house intrusion. >> why was there no guard station ted front door of the white house? this is the secret service against one individual with mental illness. and you lost. you lost. and you had three shots at this guy. >> i wonder if there is a fitness problem here. c

sanjay gupta. first to you, sanjay, should other passengers be concerned, considering how much information we've been getting about when you are contagious, when you show symptoms and when you're around other people? break it down for me. >> they're going to be concerned because they got a thing saying they should call the cdc. obviously that's going to raise their concerns understandably. your point is the important one, though, ashleigh. you really don't transmit this virus, spread it until you are sick yourself. and it sounds like from what we're hearing, if she's being completely honest, that she was not sick until she got back into dallas, developed a fever and 90 minutes later was in isolation. i'm curious what the cdc is going to say to these passengers when they get the call. my guess is they'll say, look, there was a passenger who was subsequently diagnosed with ebola on your plane. we think your risk is very, very low. but you should take your temperature yourself for 21 days. you don't n

sanjay gupta to tell his story. "sanjay gupta m.d." starts right now. >> all right. i've never done this before, so here we go. the people back home are so jealous. >> yeah. >> you're probably wondering what's happening right now. well, so was i. truth of it is fun of this was supposed to happen, beach, the camel ride, returning to a country my mother fled 70 years ago as a refugee. did you ever think you would be doing this? >> i was not planning on this. snits going to be a journey of surprises. >> yes. >> what are you thinking right now? >> i can't believe it. i can't believe it. >> you never thought you'd come back here. >> never. never. >> now i'm back with my son after 67 years. >> i'm not 67, just to be clear. >> i'm back after 67 years. a lot of things happened because i was only 5, you cannot be 67. >> right. >> i tell people my mom was a refugee when she was a young person. >> i'm still a refugee. i never got back. >> my mom was a survivor of one of the bloodiest partitions in history, the religious wars between hindus and muslims in india and pakistan. you

gupta thank you for your expertise. >>> u.s. troops dispatched to fight ebola, now the pentagon goes through unprecedented means to keep them safe. we'll tell you what that means next. >>> the pentagon is ramping up efforts to protect the up to 4,000 u.s. troops who will be sent to west africa to stop the spread of ebola. there are 500 on the ground there. commanders now have the authorization to quarantine troops. they have an elevated risk of exposure to this virus. joining me cnn military analyst and retired u.s. army general peter mansour. general, your reaction? >> we have to keep the troops safe. the ebola outbreak is a national security concern to the united states, that's why we're sending twice as many troops to west africa as we currently have fighting ice this the middle east and they're vitally needed. the medical systems in the countries affected are being swamped and the u.s. military has great capabilities in that regard but on the other hand, we got to make sure that the troops are kept safe and they don't transm

sanjay gupta, thank you very much. as sanjay said we are also learning this morning that doctors may not have screened this patient properly from the start. elizabeth cohen live in dallas with that side of the story. good morning. >> we're learning something that's disturbing here this morning, so my friend sanjay just explained this patient showed up here at the hospital that i'm in front of on the 26th with symptoms of ebola, and was sent home, and then came back in an ambulance on the 28th. that is not supposed to happen, and i was speaking with an official who is familiar with this situation and this official told me, look, this patient did not say that we been travel in liberia, and even more importantly, the hospital did not ask about his travel history. this official said hey, this is a big problem, the cdc has been telling hospitals for a long time now you've got to ask for travel histories when people show up with these symptoms, and the fact that a hospital as large as this according to this official didn't a

sanjay gupta. sanjay, up till now, most of us were under the understanding that it wasn't necessarily a lethal virus, that you could beat this. and now we're hearing about a child dying. >> yeah, i think that was the general sort of thinking about this and we obviously have been talking more recently about the fact that this particular virus was people associated with developing weaknesses and even paralysis in some of the limbs. one of the things to keep in mind when you think about this sort of thing is that a child who -- this is a sad, tragic story -- but a child with enterovirus 68, you want to know a lot of things about this child. were there other infections? was the child sick in some other way? we know people who have weakened immune systems are going to be less likely to do well from this sort of infection? some of those details are still coming in from -- i read the same report from rhode island that you did. but we talk about ebola and all these different sort of pathogens. you keep in

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sanjay gupta.the first question here. is it possible that ebola can live on seats, interior door handles, compactionities? can ebola be on stuff that comes in contact with people who have it? >> reporter: this seems like one of the most common questions. i think the best way to sort of answer this is it can live outside the body, first of all, and it can live on surfaces, talking about the ebola virus. i've heard even up to a few days. sun lied, obviously cleaning the surface, that will help devakt vaet the virus. i think people are trying figure out can i subsequently get it, if i go touch that same surface, can i get it? the answer is theoretically yes. we've talked to several experts in this area, scientists who study this virus and they say the virus does change it a little bit being out of the body, on a surface, so it's less likely to infect. theoretically you could get an infection that way, but very, very low likelihood. the way it most typically is transmitted is direct bodily fluid contac

gupta will answer your ebola questions. tweet them to us using #ebola qufrnltsanda. >>> presbyterian hospital officials admit they've made a drastic mistake by sending duncan home. the truth is, a lack of effective communication is not unusual in hospitals. truth be told, many hospitals are simply not prepared to handle cases of ebola. >> we have a lot of hospitals that aren't prepared and probably don't even want patients. what we've seen, we've seen hospitals now are downloading paper-based guidance plans from the internet and are now working out how to do the management, how to do the implementation and how is the how -- how to make these things happen to ensure if they do, unfortunately get an ebola patient, everybody in the hospital is going to be safe. >> this is the paper-based guidelines from the cdc. it's five pages long. is it enough? joining me is seema yasmin a staff writer at the "dallas morning news," but also a medical doctor who worked as a disease detective. welcome, seema. >> thank you. why do you think mo

sanjay gupta about that. first, we're looking at people experiencing a particular type of ebola symptom. this causes them to behave in ways that experts on the virus say just doesn't make any sense to them. it leads to public confusion, unnecessarily fear, possibly delays containment of the virus in africa, ending sadly with the quarantine. one man you will hear about in a moment, his case is remarkable. the famous one is kaci hickox, despite showing no signs of ebola, she was taken to isolation and was supposed to live there for three weeks. she was quarantined because new jersey governor chris christie and new york governor andrew cuomo, they decided to impose a 21-day quarantine on anybody returning from an ebola-stricken country. yesterday, they were forced to backtrack on the decision, and ms. hickox was able to leave the tent but still has to quarantine herself in maine for the next two weeks. governor christie, who first denied he maintained the policy, and ms. hickox, who says she is symptom-free. thi

sanjay gupta who i'd love to hear from this whole thing here. it looks like you're at the white house for this meeting with the doctors. there you go. so just posing the question to you, as a medical professional, you have been in these ebola zones in africa. would you stay in that home, sanjay? >> well, first of all, you hate that it's become so political. >> yep. >> and there's going to be a lot of attention on that home. if she leaves her home, it's going to make a lot of news, upset people and people are going to be scared. but i have to say, based on science, which is a good thing to base something on, frankly, she is in the right here. she works for an organization, dock a doctors without borders, who have been doing this work for a long time and they have specific guidelines. they say quarantine is neither recommended nor warranted for someone who is not sick or showing symptoms of ebola. and she is not. so it -- really, she's within her right as far as the organization goes. i've looked at the cdc guidelines and if you look at her partic

sanjay gupta, thank you as well for your reporting today.ou just heard this notion of being compelled to stay under quarantine. this is a legal order. this woman has no choice. so what about those who may be next? if there are others who start showing any symptoms or they can establish they have actually come into close contact, what is the law? can you be compelled by the government to stay home when you've done nothing wrong? we'll outline all of that after the break. [ female announcer ] we lowered her fever. you raise her spirits. we tackled your shoulder pain. you make him rookie of the year. we took care of your cold symptoms. you take him on an adventure. tylenol® has been the number 1 doctor recommended brand of pain reliever for over 20 years. but for everything we do, we know you do so much more. tylenol®. but for everything we do, we know you do so much more. t-mobile's network has more data capacity than verizon or at&t. it's a network designed differently. a network designed data strong. i've got a nice long life ahead. big plan

sanjay gupta joins me now. as you just demonstrated t seems like the biggest risk certainly is taking off that protective clothing. you tried to follow the protocols and still found yourself contaminated so do you think the cdc needs to change its guidelines perhaps? >> you know, perhaps ana. one thing about ebola it's not forgiving. we know even a small amount can cause abinfection, just keep that in the back of your mind as you're think being protocols. when i was in west africa, in ebola camps and mind you, these are tents that are literally put up in the middle of fields, they had much different and much more stringent protocols and the doctors without borders, they've been doing this for decades and only this year had the first time a patient transmitted the virus to a health care worker and in the united states the first patient transmitted the virus to a health care worker. you look at that garb and it covers every part of your skin. that's sort of the key thing, any bodily fluid that's infected that get

gupta has its own flaws.a program for 15 years taking care of patients in sierra leone with lots of fever which spreads exactly like ebola. and under the most ridimentary circumstances. and we never had but one over the years of transmission. >> what do you attribute it to? >> well, i attribute it to very careful procedures by the staff. and experience is one of the things here. anderson, we may be over -- having more technology than we need. we had a gown, a cloth gown, a cloth mask. and a pair of surgical gloves. that is what people wore to take care of patients. when they came out, first of all their washed their hands with the surgical gloves. that is the first thing they did, in bleach. and then they took off their gown. now, if somebody had as much stuff as i saw in the gown of dr. gupta, then we would spray it with bleach. then we would take our gloves off and put those in bleach. and by the way, we reused our gloves -- >> wow, so you were reusing gloves. >> exactly, and masks. exactly. so my point is

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sanjay gupta helping us on the hours of cnn. at emory hospital. where amber vinson is being treated. a health care worker from dallas. transported from dallas to atlanta last evening. now we are witnessing another health care worker from dallas transported from dallas to maryland and is on her way by ambulance. very shortly. just got in. national institutes of health. and held in isolation there. also, brian todd is in bethesda, maryland, nina pham's plane has landed. and she is on the way to an isolation unit at the national institutes of health as we reported. that's where brian todd is. so, dr. gupta, we are getting wa too much experience. we kind of know the process here. i imagine she gets into the ambulance. and do some checking. they speak to her. what is possibly going on in the ambulance? >> she looks so stable, don, obviously walking off of the plane and on to the ambulance. my guess is, that, it is, just a few minutes maybe of making sure she is, secure, everyone is secure. the ambulance on their way. this is a relatively short ride if

sanjay gupta. joe johns, david gergen, sanjay gupta and, again, celine gounder. let's talk about what this means from a medical perspective. sanjay, we'll start with you and your reaction first of all to this announcement. >> as jake mentioned, we've been talking about the idea that somebody who could sort of work at the executive level of government but not always through formal channels to get things done with regard to ebola, maybe a person like that would be necessary as we've brought in this notion of airline travel and other things and, you know, it seems like much more than a local health issue and it's consumed attention of many people within the government. ron klain, interestingly enough, has done a lot of things. people may also remember him -- i don't know if jake said this -- but he was involved with the recount back in 2000. in fact was part of that. his character was portray bid kevin spacey in the movie "recount." but he's been around for a long time. he was involved with the company that primarily worked on health, revolution health, steve case's

sanjay gupta. he'll join us in just a moment. so dr.lexander, you brought some gloves here and you brought also a suit that's similar, right? to the ones that are being used. take us through. what do you think happened when we talk about breaches in protocol? show us. >> it's really interesting. the first thing to say is the protocols are quite ambiguous. okay? there are two different cdc protocols which they could be using. and they don't specify the kind of gloves. now, the kind of gloves we've got here are vinyl gloves. and these are widely used in hospitals. they're quite brittle and they're transparent. so if you puncture this you can't see through your skin. so it's possible she had a break in the glove. you can feel if you put it on they'll snap very easily. and if you get a small nick in the skin there you can see it's the same color as the skin so much harder to see than a purple glove. >> you can't really see that. you're right. >> but even if you don't have a break in the glove, even if the glove's intact, in taking them off

sanjay gupta. also a senior fellow at the institute for humanitarian affairs.uthor of the book, ebola, the natural and human history of the deadly ebola virus. sanjay, we're getting a lot of questions, cary asked why are patients with ebola being treated at different hospitals and not at just one or two standard locations. a lot of people have asked us that. >> well, a lot of that has to do with where the patients end up. so in the case of mr. duncan he was obviously in dallas when he got sick and went to the emergency room there. and the anticipation, if you sort of had to look in the future a bit, we're likely to get other patients in the united states that after arriving here will be diagnosed with ebola. so they may not be in one of these places that have the centers, the emory, the nebraska, the nih, those places. so that is why the local hospitals, the local emergency departments have to have some of this training. they're still going to be the first line even he haif the pat are subsequently transferred. >> and even if it not here, it could be down the r

sanjay gupta is going to join us. sanjay has been reporting in west africa on the front lines of this outbreak. also the director of the department of emergency medicine at new york's mt. sinai hospital joins us. he was involved in treating a possible case there which turned out not to be ebola. dr. sheerer. and staff writer at the dallas morning news. and a former cdc detective. she joins me here live. sanj sanjay, what does it say that a nurse, not a family member of mr. duncan, but a nurse could contract ebola from him? >> well, you know, on one hand, you know, it's health care professionals who are dealing with patients who are the sickest from ebola. we know when they're sick, that's when they are potentially the most infectious, most contagious in that regard. in part, it's health care workers often who are the ones that get sick, especially in the early parts of an outbreak. on the other hand, she would be wearing personal protective gear, how does it happen despite the fact that she was wearing personal protec

sanjay gupta. quite a series of developments overnight, sanjay. >> no question, the cameraman working for nbc, his name is ashoka mukpo, 33 years old, working on projects in liberia for the last three years, this past tuesday he started working for nbc. the next day he started having some, started feeling not well, some aches, he got his temperature taken and it was a little bit elevated. that prompted this whole testing, testing came back and now they're en route back to the united states. mukbo and the entire nbc team. the rest of the team appears healthy and they'll be checked out when they get here as well. as for mr. duncan, he's where he needs to be, in the hospital, still in serious but stable condition. and members of his family and friends are in quarantine, also where they need to be. but i will tell you, none of this came too easily. health officials now looking at 100 people in the dallas area who may have had contact with thomas eric duncan. >> there could be additional cases who are a

sanjay gupta. it really brings home how easily contamination could occur when taking off the suits. >> want to show you how i'm going to take this protective equipment off. i'm also going to put a possible ebola contamination on my hand. take a look. this is the mask. so here's the most likely contaminated area. we do my gloves. and the front of my gown like this. okay, now i have -- i have to treat this as if i'm potentially contaminated. i come out. what i'm going to do with this particular gown. i'm going to rip it all off together. everything will come off simultaneously. par of the glove brushed against my arm there. that could potentially be an exposure. the glove didn't come off properly, i would reach underneath here as best i could and get underneath. there but perhaps if i didn't do it exactly right, there could be another potential exposure there. i'm reaching behind now. but let's say the side of my face shield is contaminated and i touched here. that could potentially be an exposure. s

gupta. >> well, i agree with i am had.ality is, patients don't know that there's a center of excellence in emory or nebraska. these patients are going to be presenting in our hospitals and maybe in our other health care facilities. so we actually need the education, training and proper equipment to be able to handle tho those patients and handle them properly if we're giving the proper drills and practice and confidence to be able to implement those safety measures. >> dr. gupta, can we talk transparency or lack thereof? at what point does the public right to know take control of these situations to the exclusion or detriment detrimen patient's right to privacy? >> i think this notion that it's mutually exclusive, i think you can still release enough information to the public without completely violating the patient's privacy. there are lessons to be learned in dallas and some of those lessons are going to be released. some already have been released. so, yeah, i think that -- look, what deborah is saying, the missteps in

sanjay gupta, thanks for answering those. >> you got it. patient thomas eric duncan was placed in a texas isolation unit, he was a guest in a home in dallas and now that family, a mother, son and two other relatives are shut away quarantined while they watch and wait for any symptoms. cnn has an exclusive interview with the father and you won't want to miss it. >>> and we go live to hong kong where police went head to head with protesters. that's next. narrator: these are the skater kid: whoa narrator: that got torture tested by teenagers and cried out for help. from the surprised designers. who came to the rescue with a brilliant fix male designer: i love it narrator: which created thousands of new customers for the tennis shoes that got torture tested by teenagers. the internet of everything is changing manufacturing. is your network ready? that's a good thing, but it doesn't cover everything. only about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. so consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhea

sanjay gupta. here's the thing. listen, i realize this is news. i realize the whereabouts of kaci hickox is news. i realize there's law what the governor is saying. i go back to what we touched on yesterday. the optics a woman who so bravely went to africa to help the people who are truly in need. stuck in her home based on through. yet you have the president of the united states flanked by doctors including yourself at the white house yesterday, some of whom are within that 21 day quarantine. can you please make sense of that for me? >> i wish i could. if you were a martian from outer space looking at this right now you would see two almost completely opposite ways of handling the same situation. i think your instincts and perception is exactly right. look, we're not doing the public any favors here because i think it's confusing them even more because this is what they are seeing. what kaci hickox is talking about and no questions she's being provocative. no question people are getting nervous. don't dismiss those people. they are nervous becaus

sanjay gupta pointed out.t the united states is prepared should a highly contagious disease come to our shores? >> i think the fact that we're seeing cases of ebola arrive here now, we're reaping the rewards of not to be month. one charity, doctors without borders has done the bulk of the work. for an international system that's not acceptable. if we want no more cases coming it has to be controlled in west africa. the administration stepped up now to do that,er other country needs to be putting resources in there as well. >> call to action from dr. van tulleken, dr. fauci, dr. sanjay gupta, thank you for the conversation had and it will continue on cnn. >>> another story of great concern the man being held for the disappearance of hannah graham under the microscope. will jesse matthew be linked to other unsolved cases in virginia in we have new details for you ahead. a simple question: in retirement, will you have enough money to live life on your terms? i sure hope so. with healthcare costs, who knows. umm..

sanjay gupta said.o magic potion in the way of a medicine that you can give an ebola patient. so they have to treat nina pham's symptoms here. that means she's going to be receiving fluids, potassium, antibiotics. the key question is, can she fully recover? dr. fauci addressed that, as well. >> when you say recoverable, in the sense of recovering, absolutely. we fully intend to have this patient walk out of this hospital, and will do everything we can to make that happen. >> reporter: while they take care of nina pham, they're also taking care of the care givers who are attending to her. that's a critical component of this, wolf. they're monitoring these people 24-7. each doctor and nurse is wearing a haz/mat suit. the air in her room will never circulate. they are working with the buddy system. that means each nurse and doctor is monitored by a buddy when they go into a room they are monitored. they're watched when they undress from their isolation gowns. it is strictly monitored here, wolf, because th

sanjay gupta. that is a concern. these four close family members ordered to stay inside their home until october 19th. if they leave or violate those orders they may face criminal charges. why are authorities so concerned? >> there's two things to keep in mind. first of all if they're not sick, they're not really a risk to people around them. we've made this point over and over again but you don't transmit the virus or shed the virus unless you're sick yourself. what this really means is they have to keep a close eye on these folks and see if they start to develop any symptoms and for whatever reason as elizabeth was just saying they weren't confident in their ability to do that, maybe these folks weren't checking in to get their temperature checked, who knows? they said that abundance of caution they were going to keep them in a place where they could know where they were at all times. this is going to evolve, carol, i promise you. any time we hear about the guidelines they're referred to as interim guidelines and t

sanjay gupta. so dr. gupta, tell us what you learned about her temperature, her elevated temperature and who she called before the flight. >> yes, we know she flew from dallas to cleveland on the 10th and was going to fly back from cleveland to dallas on the 13th. she was self-monitoring, taking her own temperature, we know her temperature was 99.5. and it sounds like she did the right thing at that point which was to call somebody at the cdc. my understanding, we confirmed it with government officials. she made that call, told them what the temperature was, told them she was going to get on the flight and was given for guidance, that that flight was a no-no. and that is why she did get on the flight and fly back to dallas, again anderson with the temperature of 99.5. little bit of context, you and i talked about this. with an elevated temperature like that and this history of recently having taken care of a patient with ebola, had she been in west africa she would have been flagged for secondary screenin

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sanjay gupta to tell his story. you don't want to miss it. sg md starts right now. >> i've never done this before. >> ah, the people back home would be so jealous. >> yeah. >> you're probably wondering what's happening right now. well, so was i. truth is, none of this was supposed to happen. the beach, the camel ride, the trip to karachi with my mother, returning to a country she fled years ago as a refugee. did you ever think you would be doing this? >> i was not planning on this. >> it's going to be a journey of surprises, i think. >> yes. what are you thinking right now? >> it's so amazing, i can't believe it. i can't believe it. >> you never thought you would come back here? >> never. never. now i'm back with my son after 67 years. >> right. i'm not 67, just to be clear. >> no. i'm back, i'm back after 67 years. i was only 5. you cannot be 67. >> right. i tell people that my mom was a refugee when she was a young person. >> i'm still a refugee. i never got that status back. >> my mom was a survivor of one of the bloodiest partitions in ou

sanjay gupta joins me now. america has the biggest health care system in the world. 16% of the american economy is spent on health care. why does it feel like they were caught flat fooded bia disease that could come here? >> two answers to this. one is a money questions. when you think what we spent on health care, how much is being spent on things that prevent problems down the road. we are not good at that part. the centers for disease control and prevention, $600 million shorter over the last four years in the time period prior to that. that is discretionary spending. it's about a billion dollars less as compared to a decade ago. they will spend about a billion dollars on this ebola outbreak in west africa and here in the united states. we are down about a million dollars. that is part of the problem. if you look at the issue this is past week and the not disclosing, for example, the travel history for this patient and as a result he was out and about two days still sick. things like not cleaning up this wom

sanjay gupta is in atlanta. miguel marquez is in bellevue hospital, at bellevue hospital right here in new york, where a 5-year-old tested negative for ebola today. sanjay, let's begin with you. what can you tell us about this new story coming out of maryland tonight? >> well, it's sort of an ongoing situation, don. the university of maryland medical center has accepted a patient at the direction of the department of public health over there for assessment. so this sounds like someone obviously they're concerned about. we don't know why, what has sort of sparked those concerns necessarily. we also don't know if they have ebola. they're going to be assessed and eventually see if they have symptoms and be tested is my guess. but we'll probably have more information over the next couple of days. it can take some time, as you know, don, to know for sure. right now out of i think respect for the patient's privacy they're not releasing any more details, but we do know that patient's now at university of maryland medic

sanjay gupta. i have a lot of questions. sanjay, we know that this 29-year-old nurse she treated thomas eric duncan who died of ebola last wednesday morning. she then gets on this commercial airline, flies to cleveland and this, according to dr. frieden absolutely violated cdc protocol. would she have known that? >> well she should have known that but i'm giving her the benefit of the doubt my guess is she was not told that. two points. first the cdc is not an authority that can mandate things like this. they provide guidance and recommendations. dr. frieden talked about this idea of controlled movement. they recommend people who have been in contact with somebody who has had ebola have controlled movement. they don't get on commercial airlines. they take a chartered plane, they can get in cars but need to be monitoring their temperature every day. so this shouldn't have happened. whether she was told this and knew this or most i give her the benefit of the doubt and say she didn't and maybe she was being diligent and still

sanjay gupta is joining the conversation.ay, your reaction to this second case and it being transmitted from thomas eric duncan not to one of the four people under quarantine, but a health care worker at this hospital. >> it represents the first time, as you have been talking about, that ebola has now spread from person to person in the united states. that's what we've been talking about in spain over the last several days. there's going to be a lot of questions and hopefully some of the questions will be answered at 8:30. but as he was saying, the question about what exactly this health care worker came in contact with mr. duncan, was this someone who came in contact with him at his first -- the first time he went to the hospital? and was turned away? was it someone that came in contact with him at the second visit when he was admitted but before hes with diagnosed with ebola? or is this a health care worker that came in contact with him after he was officially diagnosed? those are three different scenarios completely. if it

gupta? >> well, he was walking around an ebola clinic. it sounds like -- this is before he was started working as a freelancer for nbc. he was working on a different project. took him to an ebola clinic. i would say that just being around that ebola clinic maybe there was another exposure somewhere around there he, would seem more likely than the idea of washing a car. in part the car's outside, it's in the heat, in the sunlight. we know both those things can deactivate the virus. but we don't know, don. and he doesn't know probably. and the truth is you may never know exactly where the exposure was. but there clearly was an exposure with live virus to asho ashoka. >> the president spoke on the ebola threat today. let's listen. >> as i've said from the start of this outbreak, i consider this a top national security priority. meanwhile, at the federal level we're constantly reviewing and evaluating the measures we already have in place to see if there are additional improvements. we continue to look if there are any additional steps that c

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sanjay gupta here at the cdc in atlanta to just walk us through.e alarmists if we shouldn't be. a lot of people have tweeted us with questions and so we have just a couple questions i want to get to. the first question this man asks is got here on an airplane full of people. who knows -- talking about this patient -- who knows how many people may have been exposed. that's the question. >> well, a couple important points here. a couple important facts. one is that when he got on the plane, he wasn't sick. when he got off of the plane, he wasn't sick. very important because one thing that we keep hearing over and over again that's an important point is you don't spread this virus until you are sick yourself. so the fact that he is known as incubation period carrying the virus in his body but not spreading it. the people on the plane say there's no cause for concern. in fact, they haven't released any of the information about the flight. when we asked them to give us some of the information about the flight, they say there's no cause for concern. thos

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thanks. >> back with our panel, sanjay gupta, what did you make of that?bing the waste in her apartment, how can health officials have left it that way? >> you know, i hate to keep talking about missteps with this whole situation. but it is another one here. you have the situation where this guy was clearly very sick. it is essentially almost active like a hospital room, this bedroom where he was staying. and you know, we know ebola as a virus can live outside the body. so the fact these sheets, towels can be contaminated. they were not cleaned. she had no instruction what to do with it. in the hospital where patients are treated, emory, biocontainment bags would have been brought in here, and they would have been incinerated. but just the lack of humanity with it overall, she is already dealing with the sickness of mr. duncan, it is hard to imagine. >> yeah, doctor, i am not in any way blaming louise here with this. she is coping as best as she can. does it surprise you that somebody is not coming in, telling her what to do with the dirty clothes, the she

sanjay gupta. sanjay, why are these people traveling seemingly so freely when they know they have exposed? >> well part of this is the question should they sort of put it on themselves to limit their travel? they're health care professionals, they've had contact perhaps with the ebola virus and part of it is just sort of what are the rules and regulations. the important, one of the important points here from a public health perspective is that again as elizabeth said if it you're not sick, you're not going to be transmitting the virus, very important. but what we've also heard from dr. frieden a few days ago is that there's this whole policy of what's known as controlled movement and that means if somebody has had contact with a patient who has had ebola, then they can't travel by commercial airline, they can't go on a cruise ship with lots of people. they can in a car or get on a charter plane but shouldn't be doing the movements with lots of other people and that doesn't seem to be happening. peo

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sanjay gupta here to answer some of the questions that you have been tweeting us. here we go. with this one. can ebola survive on surfaces such as door handles and glass windows if somebody sneezes, can i contract ebola that way? >> a couple questions there. so it can live outside of the body, this ebola virus. maybe even up to a couple days? it's still unlikely that if someone touches a surface with ebola virus is and then touches their nose, eyes or mouth they could get the infection that way but it's unlikely. we haven't seen that actually happen. we don't think that's common. as far as sneezing goes, it's one of these things if somebody were to sneeze, it's not so much that it's putting the virus into an airborne state, but if they were to sneeze onto somebody else and the person was infected, that could potentially cause an infection. so sneezing in close proximity more from bodily fluids could cause an infection and it can live outside the body but that's less likely as a source of an infection. >> this is interesting. how long is the ebola virus transmittable in sweat o