but a year after the sentencing, gurley recanted her testimony. claimed she had been induced into testifying against duckett by investigator rocky harris. >> rocky harris took me in and out of the jail, asked a lot of questions. lot of questions. >> as a matter of fact, i never offered her any deal whatsoever. >> after learning that gwen gurley had recanted her testimony, marshal also found that duckett had an alibi. >> he told me he could never have been there at the murder because he got a call at the jiffy stop, another convenience store, and went over there around the time the little girl was murdered. he jotted everything down in his little spiral, the traffic stop, activity. >> the notebook has her information in it that i wrote down that night. >> said it is in that log sheet introduced at trial? i said no, i don't know what happened to it. it was taken by the police. >> when they took the notebook and impounded the patrol car, the notebook has teresa's information that i wrote down at 10:30 that night, and 11:00 i was at the jiffy store. h

police work. >> they called gurley.y eyewitness who placed teresa in duckett's patrol car had recanted her original testimony. >> if they used her to put me here and if she is no longer telling their lies, that should count for something. >> i can remember when we talked to gwen. this is great stuff. she's recanted. she's the only person that saw the victim in the car. so we think, this will get us a new trial. $175. our clients need a lot of attention. there's unlimited talk and text. we're working deals all day. you get 10 gigabytes of data to share. what about expansion potential? add a line, anytime, for $15 a month. low dues, great terms. let's close! new at&t mobile share value plans our best value plans ever for business. i gotta go deposit a check, transfer some money. so it's your uncle's turn. what? wait, wait, wait... no, no, no, wait, wait. (baby crying) so you can deposit a check... with the touch of a finger. so you can arrange a transfer in the blink of an eye. so you can help make a bond... i got it. tha

van gurley, let me start with you, we have seen a lot of pictures of the planes flying over this area of ocean. how critical is it we get ships on to that area too? >> well, that's absolutely critical for the next phase of the operation. a search like this is multiphased evolution. first is getting some idea where the debris field may be and that's the role of the long-range aircraft that could cover a large area quickly and of satellites. but once there is the debris, potential debris spotted as appears to have happened in the last 24 hours, then the next most crucial piece is getting ships directly on to the pieces so they can possibly identify what they are and if they are aircraft pieces and parts, link them back to this flight. >> robert francis, what do you think of what john donaldson was saying there in that report, we may find debris and may find the black box from the plane but we may never know what happened here? >> i'm not as optimistic as some in terms of finding anything to tell you the truth. i think there's a lot of debris in oceans all over the place but to -- to fin

also joining us is van gurley, oceanographer. what your men and women have spotted and how realistic is that this could be wreckage from the airliner? >> good morning from new zealand. the crew from new zealand went on task yesterday morning perth time and came back late afternoon. during that time, 4 1/2 hours on task, they identified, picked up 11 objects. they varied from what looked like orange fishing buoy to objects that were around 1 meter square white in shape. they have taken high-definition photos of those objects and sent the information back to the headquarters in perth. but they weren't able to actually identify those objects. we'll actually have to wait for them to be picked up by a ship. >> when will that happen, based on the information that you have, general, that a ship will get close enough to those objects to determine whether or not they are from the airliner? >> well, i expect in two hours time that there will be four ships in the area and able to be directed onto the location of the objects. the aircraft th

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we're also joined by former navy oceanography van gurley.ill get there on thursday , thy don't have any wreckage yet, is this, for all practical purposes, a waste of time? >> no. because the moment they do have a debris or debris field, which could happen at any time, as you've heard people say, they will put that into the water. it is just not useful to do it willy-nilly at such a vast space. >> van, i want to play for you a clip. this is chuck hagel speaking about this entire operation. listen to this. >> just a reminder, that area is the size of new mexico and this very sophisticated equipment that we have provided and we have provided, as far as i know, everything that the malaysian government has requested of us, is really reliant totally on defined search areas. it's got tremendous capability but we're going to have to narrow the search area. >> so can they do it without actually finding -- they need really a piece of that plane before they can narrow it significantly, right? >> yes, wolf. there's two problems here. first is, getting t

. >> reporter: gurley's team at metron has new animation models projecting where objects spotted recentlyllites may have drifted. they use weather, wind, and ocean current projections from noaa and determine what kind of objects could be floating. >> based on the types of things you would expect either from a boating accident, someone lost at sea or an aircraft accident. >> reporter: like luggage and seats floating. it could have drifted on sunday by midday thursday. >> the circle is where it was spotted on the 23rd and in this particular field it's about 60 miles on this axis from the southwest to the northeast but the pattern doesn't really go to the north and does go to the south again about 60 miles. >> reporter: 60 miles in each direction. what about the field of 300 some objects spotted by a thai satellite? >> it's moved about 60 miles to the north, 65 miles to the south but you can see this entire field has moved east. >> reporter: a key question, if gurley's team can project these objects forward in time, can they track them backward to the morning of march 8th when the plane's la

. >> a key question, if gurley's team could project forward in time, could they track backwards to marchwhere the signals were sent, sea where the plane hit the ocean. >> it's more difficult because of the amount of time. now on day twenty. >> good news, what the time represents in realtime. >> australian ship's success near an area where the debris may be based on the 23rd are march imagery. >> not just debris similar models help the coast guard find people who are lost at sea. they take a report of where someone has been lost and project currents anderson drifts ahead, where the person may be drifting and where the coast guard will start a search. cnn, weston,, virginia. >> lets bring back panel of analysts. welcome back to all of you. we've learned and heard there might be new objects certainliers are going to be looking for, orange objects that could be six feet in length. again, no images of this. they haven't been plucked from the ocean. this is something many of the ships are looking for. perhaps those are potential dpl glimmers of hope. we talked about and made reference to air f

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. >> now let's bring in former retired navy captain john van gurley, who commanded the navy operations as well as former pilot paul mccarthy. thank you both. as ian was reporting and as we've been hearing, we're talking about an area that already experiences pretty rough seas. now we're talking about the potential for an even rougher go of it today. what is the likelihood that ships are going to have and flights are going to be able to have the visit that they need to find more evidence? >> well, it's going to be a difficult go of it, as your reporter was just saying. the last two days, the reports in the search area have been for good conditions yesterday and fair conditions the day before, but prior to that they reported a lot of rain and low, overcast conditions. that reduces your visibility. right now for the kinds of things they're looking for, it's a visual search. you need to see objects bobbing in the water. if you're in areas where you have rough seas, high waves, lots of white caps, rain and low visibility, that all greatly hinders your ability to see anything in the area you

keir, i want you to stand by, i want to bring in john van gurley. captain, i think keir simmons said something that was very important, and he talked about how the families may be questioning why would the malaysian prime minister make this announcement now, we're just getting new information on possible objects, but the plane wreckage has not been found, so why be so definitive now? >> well, good morning. it's hard with the breaking news situation we have right now to understand the details of the analysis that he referred to, but as we've watched the story from my company, metron, that's been the most compelling information, to vector the search down. so they have very high confidence now on the southern corridor, and it's been backed up by the british investigation authorities, that, i think, is probably what drove toward the announcement today to start helping the families put a finality on this situation. >> let me get you reaction to the objects found today, they were spotted by both an australian plane and chinese plane, objects in the water,

. >> captain gurley, i wonder if this -- we talked about -- if this is part of 370, but considering theble amount of time? i wonder at what point does someone like you say we have to either dramatically increase the resources or scale back because we are looking for something without a starting point? >> well, that's a great point. that, in fact, is one of the issues they are dealing with. there is a mathematical technique theory that we apply to the problems. what that tells you to do, a mathematical way to go in and look at how certain you are of each piece of information so you don't -- the term is don't play little kid soccer. have all of the assets run to one spot and run to another spot. what i hope the australia yns a doing, they are using the satellite information. if they are not part of an aircraft, then we don't get misled and we continue to search the area. it is a very broad area. more ships, more aircraft, would always help. it is encouraging the number of countries that have assets en route to that area, but it is a daunting task they are facing right now. >> randy padfie

. >> we are joining by tom gurley. he is the director and naval oceanographer.and white. yesterday, one of our reporters was on the p-8 when they spotted a blue bag. there was a lot of junk, christi called it flotsam out in the ocean. do you believe these could be connected to 370 or is it still too soon to tell? let's start with steve. >> too soon to tell. this has been, you know, we keep getting sightings. ships are participating in this effort. really too soon to tell. there so much debris in the ocean. everybody is clinging to various hopes here. hopes we find something to definitively associate with the airplane. families are hoping for a miracle. there is no reason to take that hope away from them. what is this debris? i can't hazard a guess based on what i have seen. >> van, i know you have an oceangraphic search company. if you were in charge of this and you were waking up to this news right now that they found this, how would you proceed forward? >> as steve was saying, the key point is to get one of the ship onto the objects spotted recently so we can

. >>> rene marsh is still with us, as well as miles o'brien, michael schmidt, and van gurley.you an earlier interview with chris mclaughlin of inmarsat. the malaysian prime minister says the airliner is in the indian ocean. they say that everyone on board, 239 people are dead. here's the exchange that i had with mclaughlin. do you know for sure, without any doubt whatever ever, that the plane went into the indian ocean and that there are no survivors? >> no. there are a number of jumps there. as an operator of the distressed service for 34 years, we have a lot of experience. we feel the sadness of the families and we do feel for them at this point. but if you look at the plots that we have using our recent adjusted techniques, we can say that the most likely route is the south and the most likely ending is in roughly in the area that they are looking now but, of course, nothing is final. we're not operation satellites, we're data satellites. it will require a lot of different skills and a lot of different people not least the naked high to help confirm what happened to 370. >>

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