hakanis got nothing out of this deal.money here, whether white house directly paid hakanis or caused it through a third party there is money here, they need to be pressed on it. >> brad thor, thank you for being here >> coming up, she's a republican candidate running for u.s. senate in south dakota says she was attacked by left wing hateful comments. wait until you see what she to in response. it's a story you have not heard from bret baier that changed his life forever. don't miss this segment. upgrade to the philips norelco shaver series 8000 for the most advanced shaving experience. with gyroflex 3d technology, you can get to those hard to reach places for the ultimate shave wet or dry. guaranteed. visit philips.com/fathersday now to save $50. our cheese is going thin in a big way. with our ultra thin slices, you can now enjoy the same natural sargento cheese you love, at just 45 calories a slice. the same cheddar, swiss and provolone. just thinner and just 45 calories a slice. it's safe to say, thin has never been mor

of pakistan to the united states international relations professor at boston university who signed hakani welcome it's great to have you with us today some just going to start from the current events there are stretched to the pakistani government from hardline extremists but also from what i understand of the military takeover is an army cooler likely. i'm not sure whether the army would like to take over directly the tremendous influence and i think it would like to continue to erode that influence unfortunately what that does is it better lies this decision making the civilians cannot make decisions because the army is constant be looking over their shoulder and the army doesn't really control everything because after all it has to contend with the civilians so it better lies a decision making it's not a good situation to be in but that's the situation we find the army not liking the civilians the civilians not liking the army and yet and i mean take over not necessarily imminent there's not a factor they anti-government cleric to here will country let a mass revolt last year and is no

so the complication of the hakanis being part of this, that's right. >> and it's also true the hakani network is listed as a foreign terrorist organization. >> that's right. but we didn't negotiate with hakani. >> i think that's a subject we'll want to discuss if we must in the classified discussion -- >> well, i want to make sure the record is clear on that. we engaged the qataris and they engaged the taliban. notic now, if the hakanis were subcontracting to the taliban or whatever that relationship is, you know there's the pakistan taliban and the afghanistan taliban, there's a difference there so we get back into definitions of who has responsibility for whom. but i just want to make sure that that's clear on the record and we can go into a lot more detail. >> i think that you just pointed out some of the difficulty in making categorical statements that we don't negotiate with terrorists when at least for some period the hakanis were the ones who had him. let me just ask about one other thing and that is the five detainees that were released. you said that there is always some risk

so the complication of the hakanis being part of this, that's right. >> and it's also true the hakani network is listed as a foreign terrorist organization. >> that's right. but we didn't negotiate with hakani. >> i think that's a subject we'll want to discuss if we must in the classified discussion -- >> well, i want to make sure the record is clear on that. we engaged the qataris and they engaged the taliban. notic now, if the hakanis were subcontracting to the taliban or whatever that relationship is, you know there's the pakistan taliban and the afghanistan taliban, there's a difference there so we get back into definitions of who has responsibility for whom. but i just want to make sure that that's clear on the record and we can go into a lot more detail. >> i think that you just pointed out some of the difficulty in making categorical statements that we don't negotiate with terrorists when at least for some period the hakanis were the ones who had him. let me just ask about one other thing and that is the five detainees that were released. you said that there is always some risk

but the people we negotiated with, the hakani network. we can't leave anybody on the field of battle. that's the way militaries go to war. >> david, you talked to family members who have people still being held hostage. there. >> real consistent policy, is there? >> there's no policy, no coordination at all between the u.s. and its allies. it's correct, the united states doesn't pay ransoms bath few years ago israel released 1,000 soldiers for one soldier and european countries france in particular that do pay ransoms. there's a british estimate that the british don't pay ransom but al qaeda affiliates received $100 million in ransom in the last three years. yemen, boko haram and honest truth here is militants kidnapping people, civilians or soldiers is working and there isn't a coordinated response and my captors didn't believe that the u.s. didn't pay ransom and made these crazy demands. hakani is the same group, i could have still been there. >> the fact, though, that this exchange has been made does it make it difficult, does that put

so the complication of the hakanis being part of this, that's right. >> and it's also true the hakani network is listed as a foreign terrorist organization. >> that's right. but we didn't negotiate with hakani. >> i think that's a subject we'll want to discuss if we must in the classified discussion -- >> well, i want to make sure the record is clear on that. we engaged the qataris and they engaged the taliban. notic now, if the hakanis were subcontracting to the taliban or whatever that relationship is, you know there's the pakistan taliban and the afghanistan taliban, there's a difference there so we get back into definitions of who has responsibility for whom. but i just want to make sure that that's clear on the record and we can go into a lot more detail. >> i think that you just pointed out some of the difficulty in making categorical statements that we don't negotiate with terrorists when at least for some period the hakanis were the ones who had him. let me just ask about one other thing and that is the five detainees that were released. you said that there is always some risk

taliban and they peoplencerned that the who were literally holding ofgdahl who included members the hakani network which is something of a split off group the taliban may not have signed off on the whole trade aboutat when they heard it if it leaked out they might simply kill bergdahl right there rather than turn him back. >> showing how fractured congressional response was you ask senators who went to the briefing was the concern about the potential threats against dahl if this leaked out discussed in the briefing. no. said and others said absolutely. so you had total confusion even when they received the information from the administration about what was actually said in the room. part partisanse of dis agreement? people were even disagreeing about the information they were give. >> and the reason to show the his condition, correct? >> right. >> about showing the shape that he was in and the reason in the administration had to be freed. >> the guy who gave the best and hetion is mark kirk said you could hear it in his voice. it was very shaky. described it toee reporters. maybe 19-20o is

what did hakanis get?y're different groups with different boards of directors i'm telling you, hakanis are always about money. there is money here, somewhere. >> they're a designated terrorist organization under american law we gave them anything that is as serious a felony that you can admit. >> we've got to take a break, we'll have more coming up right after the break. stay with us. did you know, your eyes can lose vital nutrients as you age? [ male announcer ] that's why there's ocuvite to help replenish key eye nutrients. ocuvite has a unique formula not found in your multivitamin to help protect your eye health. ocuvite. help protect your eye health. so, i'm working on a cistern intake valve, and the guy hands me a locknut wrench. no way! i'm like, what is this, a drainpipe slipknot? wherever your business takes you, you can se money with progressive commercial auto. [ sighs ] [ flo speaking japanese ] [ shouting in japanese ] we work wherever you work. now, that's progressive. call or click today. >>

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i saw no effort by the pakistani military to confront the hakanis.was able to escape with the help of a colleague because we were being held half a mile from a pakistani military base. the soldiers never came off that base to investigate what the taliban were doing. and thank god this afghan soldier brought me to the base -- >> rose: back to the relationship between al-qaeda network and isi. >> isi turned a blind eye to the very least to the hakani network. we learned our lesson. the pakistanis still think they can use them as proxies and control them and it's disastrous. >> rose: you come to the conclusion you took a blind eye to the fact that osama bin laden was that far from the military base. >> at least a blind eye or they knew about it. again this is an american soldier for five years on the territory of pakistan and people let's hear from bowe bergdahl and maybe he deserves some criticism but so does pakistan. >> rose: if this guy was in afghanistan special forces could have gotten him you would assume. >>8n i think so. the issue in afghanista

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and a hostage to the hakani network. >> another stage in the treatment, what is happening in this reintegration process? >> well, this is a critically important process that's going on with him. there is -- he is at the brook army hospital, melt processing, now he's going through more extensive treatment and his psychological reintegration into the united states and into the u.s. army. so that's very important step. because for the last five years he has been living in the environment where a he wasn't trained and b he's been under intense stress, intense psychological stress. so he needs to are brought back and reintegrated into our society and the force he came from. >> and by the stress you refer to, this would be different, after all we heard about vietnam and the prisoners of war in that venue nap but in this case we're talking about a force that might have been treating him how? >> well, there would be almost no difference between how certain people in viet flam were treated and sometimes how terrorist hostages are treated. they're kept in a confined space, often they're kept in close con

we start with bergdahl's capture by the hakani network on june 30th, 2009. within 90 days, his captors began exploring a prisoner swap. by may of 2010, negotiations for bergdahl's release were said to have collapsed. on june the 5th of 2010, bergdahl was observed at a bazaar in north waziristan and was said to be not tightly controlled by his captors. guess what, 12 days later, bergdahl escaped. on june the 22nd after five days, he was recaptured, returned and observed collapsing in ill health. his captors then put him in a specially constructed metal cage. by august of 2012 in the last sit rep that we obtained, bergdahl was allegedly observed having converted to islam, carrying himself a mujahid, which means warrior for islam, and was observed firing ak-47s in target practice with his captors. harris? >> james rosen, what's the response now from the white house before i let you go? >> well, top obama white house officials said yesterday, they hadn't heard any of that. the same from the state department today. >> well, i've seen mr. rosen's story. i haven't

now if the hakanis were subcontracting to the taliban or whatever that relationship, as you know, there's the pakistan taliban and afghan taliban, there's a difference there so we get back into definitions of who has responsibility for whom, but i just want to make sure that that's clear on the record and we can go into a lot more detail. >> well, i think you just pointed out some of the difficulty in making categorical statements that we don't negotiate with terrorists when at some point the hakanis had him. let me ask another question. the five detainees that were released. you said that there is always some risk associated with releasing someone from guantanamo, but you also said they have not been implicated in any attacks on the united states. i have some unclassified summary of evidence before the combatant status review tribunals. for example, for mr. fassal it says the detainee engaged in hostilities against the united states or its coalition partners, maybe there's a difference between us and our partners, for mr. wazik, it says the detainee participated in military operations ag

press reports indicate that sergeant bergdahl was captured a network commander and was held by the hakani network. is that true? >> what i'd prefer, as i noted, in the classified session that we get in the specifics of that 156 commander report that was done on the circumstances at the time of sergeant bergdahl's capture. i believe that was done in august of 2009. that's been sent up here, unredacted, sent up here yesterday and i assume get in but i will assified say that, in that report that the army did, he was classified s missing/captive. >> so i wasn't -- to verify as i understand it, administration people have said clearly it was the haqqani network that kept him. >> well, the haqqani did have him through periods of time. this was the complication, over a five-year period he was moved around. we had difficulty finding him. knowing where he was. different groups held him. it's a complication of the haqqanis being part of that, it's right. > and the haqqani network is listed by the foreign intelligence department as a terrorist network. >> that's right. we didn't negotiate with haqqan

>> my guess is the hakanis didn't get anything unless it was the money.eds to be answered now, brian, is the congress needs to go back to this white house and demand to know was a ransom paid. because all the documents that i have seen, all the intelligence that i have seen, the eclipsed documents, the raw intelligence says all the haqqanis wanted was money. and so why were those five added to this mix by the white house? >> we'll see because the haqqani network asked for $1.2 million from "the new york times" to get their writer back and they got it. so this could happen too. let's talk about the conditions that you understand that he went through. according to your sources, this eclipse group has been out there. they say he was caged, true, but he also was allowed to carry an ak-47 at times and play soccer with them. he became one of them. >> he at least showed he was trying to build an affinity with them. my concern right now is people are going to jump to some conclusions that may or may not be accurate. the responsibility of his chain of command, and