when it comes further ultimate goals, hamas is isis and isis is hamas. what they share in common all militant islamists share in common. in nigeria, in somalia, in lebanon, in syria, in iraq, and the branches in yemen, libya, the philippines, india and elsewhere. some are radical sunnis. some are radical shiites. some want to restore the pre-medieval caliphate from the seventh century. others want to trigger the apocalyptic return from the ninth century. they'd operate in different lands. they target different victims. they even kill each other in their battle for supremacy. but, they all share a fanatic ideology. they all seek to create ever-expanding enclaves of militant islam where there is no freedom and no tolerance. where women are treated as cattle, christians are decimated, minorities are subjugated sometimes given the choice of converting or dying. for them, anyone can be considered an infidel, including fellow muslims. ladies and gentlemen, militant islam's ambition to dominate the world seems mad, but so too did the global ambitions of another

recently, hamas, 96 terrorists, we saved them. this kind of cool operation -- ,his kind of cooperation municipalities enjoyed already political independence. it is not a state as you imagined, but a way to live together. >> israel is losing its friends in the world again. misconceptions. >> absolutely. we already compromised. this experience with the become a safeas haven for terrorists. we suffered homicide bombings all over the country. .ockets launching doh this experience in mind -- believe that the only way what do we get? all of the areas which we .elivered we discuss all issues and gave and b.as a i cannot imagine any restrictions to our freedom. see -- e, we want to >> suppose you are a young thestinian and you hear defense minister, a man with a distinguished career who supported oslo, willing to do things, say what you just said, does that give any hope to them? >> yes. they enjoy geopolitical independence. >> they elect people who support hamas. it is their choice. voteey have the right to -- heir parliament >> that is

talking about hamas as an example. in egypt, they support the muslim battle today. >> are those groups, in your judgment, and hamas, do they have -- do you feel this is the same as isis? or al-nusra? >> the differences instead of beheadings, the kidnapped civilians. generally speaking, the whole idea of al qaeda, isis, is to impose their way of islam all over the world. this is their intentions. they might fight each other and they might cooperate in certain cases. in some way, they are exporting and imposing their way of islam. >> do you believe there is something in islam that motivates them or simply that these are radical jihadist terrorists? as other religious leaders have said, they kidnapped the religion. there is nothing in islam that argues they should be this way. >> yes. i agree with that. this is their interpretation of islam. we cannot ignore the fact that not all muslims are jihadists. but all jihadists are muslims. >> what does that mean? >> this is a clash between civilizations. islam, in the recent his

hamas wasn't supported by those sunni arab countries. neither by egypt nor by jordan, saudi arabia, unit add rab emirates and so forth. so interesting. >> rose: israel's new best friends. >> might be. >> rose: do you think of the united states as in the same place as all the above mentioned countries or because after mubarak and after damascus and assad's crossed the red line, there was, it is publicly acknowledged, some questioning of america's commitment. has the president's trip to see king abdulla and other events caused those countries to say we're reassured now. whatever question we had, we know america's prepared to do the right thing. >> it might be. but anyhow, the united states is our best ally. >> rose: israel's best ally. >> yeah. >> no doubt about it. and of course we enjoy the relationships, the cooperation between the two defense establishment, the minister of defense, the use of armed forces by general dempsey-- dempsey and the israeli defense forces by the general and the cooperation between the terrorist forces. >> and

election, israeli forces invaded gaza, killed half a dozen hamas militants. that led to rockets attacking israeli response, , allof killings palestinians, as usual. by the end of december, a couple of years later, hamas offered to renew the cease-fire. the israeli cabinet considered it, rejected it. this was a dovish cabinet. they rejected it and decided to launch the next major military operation that was cast lead, operation, horrible so much so that it wants -- it action, international investigations by amnesty international, human rights watch. in the middle of the assault -- the assault, incidentally, was carefully timed to end immediately before president obama's inauguration. he'd already been elected, but he was not inaugurated yet, so when he was asked to comment on the atrocities, he responded by saying he could not do so, the united states has only one was nott, and he president yet. he was talking about lots of other things, but not this. the attack was timed to end immediately before the inauguration so he could therefore respond to the questions

by hamas and also are being struck by israeli airstrikes in gaza because hamas is shooting at civilianopulations. >> last bit, hamas shooting at civilian populations is israel's message. >> the middle east is rich in religious history. it's contemporary story rivet by mythology. modern day myths are propagated through the news media. the myth makers have been hard at work over gaza and the journalists, they tell their fables to can be unwitting accomplices to the twisting of the truth. >> my favorite media myth is the tunnels. >> we never heard about these tunnels from gaza into israel before this conflict. and now, we hearing that it's absolutely necessary to destroy these tunnels. these tunnels are aimed at kinder gardens, kibutzs. >> very close to the kibutz. >> it may be that they are aimed at kibutzs and kinder 2k3w5rdens. ham as has used these to attack israeli soldiers in israel, and it's a red herring. it's just a red herring but the american media have treated it as this sort of primary cause of the israel onslaught. >> there is one huge miss c conception that the rockets that

, hamas is isis.sident obama says very clearly isis can never be negotiated with under no circumstances whatsoever. are you saying that you will never negotiate with hamas under any circumstances? >> i negotiate with an enemy who wants to stop being my enemy. that's how you make peace. an enemy who wants to destroy you remains committed to your obliteration is not someone you can negotiate with. you don't negotiate with al qaeda. you don't negotiate with this latter day baghdadi. as long as hamas remains committed to our destruction, what is there to negotiate? the method of my suicide or what? we can talk to the palestinians who want to live in peace with us, we can have disagreements about borders but fundamentally we want to shape a common future of peace with each other. with hamas that calls for our eradication. there's nothing to discuss. >> let me ask you about iran. my reporting tells me that the negotiations are currently in the stage where, you know, the iranians want about 9,500 centrifuges

hamas hace las decapitaciones, hamas tomÓ a decenas de palestinos en gaza y los ejecutÓ simplemente parae no permitirÍa que los criminales de guerra se libran de castigo. ¿usted lo tomÓ como un ataque personal? >> yo lo tomo como algo absurdo. nosotros somos el blanco de estos terroristas que lanzan miles de cohetes contra ciudades israelÍes, contra nuestros civiles. ¿se imagina lo que pasarÍa en cualquier paÍs donde uno tuviera miles de cohetes cayendo sobre las ciudades? en washington, en los Ángeles, miami, o donde sea, y no solamente lanzan cohetes contra civiles, sino que se esconden detrÁs de sus propios civiles, usando a sus niÑos, a sus civiles, como escudos humanos. obviamente tenemos que defendernos de estos ataques con cohetes. >> pero lo estÁn acusando a usted de crÍmenes de guerra. >> bueno, los crÍmenes de guerra fueron cometidos por hamas atacando a civiles y escondiÉndose detrÁs de civiles. >> esta entrevista se va a ver en amÉrica latina, y despuÉs de los ataques en gaza cinco paÍses latinoamericanos retiraron a sus embajadores. ¿le preocupa que israel se estÉ quedando s

does not seem to matter that there a part of hamas dedicated to armed resistance and part of hamas takese of social services, irrigation and social services. secondly, hamas because it is a islamic party it is kara tured as culture of martyrdom. that palestinians in general that do not value life or life of their children in the way that israelis do or in the way that people in the so-called, west are set to do. so to the extent that the human shield argument relies on this gross stereotype that palestinians figured as uncivillized and premodern do not value life as those of us in the west do, we see that a fundamentally orientalist conceit makes this claim possible. the claim that palestinians as a group sacrifice their children for the sake of their cause relies on a conception of palestinians as barbaric and this broader view of the palestinians supports the more specific view that amass is responsible for hits own civilian losses especially the children. there is a great deal to be said how women and children function in these kind of arguments. obviously there is a special kind of s

>> well, it doesn't seem likely that hamas is supporting these groups.s more plausible that the flow of weapons really across egypt from libya into gaza, you know, also meant more weapons in -- in sinai, and that therefore, you know, hamas's control of gaza, and it's desire to import more weapons for its own fight against israel has further militarized the sinai, so we can't completely divorce the situation in gaza from the situation in sinai, but is there strong evidence that hamas has a hand in these attacks, no. >> what about the belingered palestinians living in the gaza strip who only managed recently to get the rafa crossing opening. they depend so much on that opening given the total boycott by the israelis. that presumably they are going to feel the impact of that pretty seriously. >> well, they will, there's no question about that, but right now, and understandably so, the priority for the egyptian government is of course, finding a way to handle this two-front war against jihadis. you can question the way they are going about that, but we shoul

, hamas is isis.ome middle easterners we had on the program said that goes too far. we kuwa equating them is not right. they have different ambitions or goals. >> we never said they were identical or twins. we said they were brothers. to quote him, he said they were ranchers from the same poisonous tree. they are both islamist, militant, violent. they believe in overcoming the modernization state. they both believe gays should be stoned, human rights shouldn't exist, we should return to some sort of pre-medieval primtism society that throws back and rejects all our concepts of freedom. that's what they have in common. >> the u.s. has a different opinion than benjamin netanyahu has. jim responded, here is what she said. >> obviously, we have designated both as terrorist organizations. isis poses a different threat to western interests and the united states. that's a fact. >> is israel disappointed the u.s. doesn't see it the same way that you do? >> i'm not sure they have a big difference from us. ulti

one of them is to disarm hamas. to push hamas out of power.e in power than it was four months ago. >> so we had this unanimous agreement that unless there is this political process, essentially the international community is rebuilding targets in gaza for the israel toys destroy during the next war. >> i wonderful put it that way. what happens is that there are people on the palestinian side who antagonize and invite the destruction. they are insulated from the costs that. gaza has paid tremendous costs. there is way on which the antagonists don't really to have pay the cost because the international community is paying the cost. that encourages people to take risk that's they might not otherwise take. it is known in the financial business as a moral hazard. if gaza is always picked up by the international community after they attack, there is more of a willingness to get into that kind of confrontation. there is more of a willingness in israel to destroy things. and you keep this cycle perpetuat perpetuated. but you don't really get toward th

the united states does not believe hamas is identical to isis. and they've already said that. the prime minister himself is negotiating with hamas indirectly for a cease-fire as he did recently. this is the way netanyahu frames this issue. the real concern for netanyahu is still iran. now, because of the looming deadline, he's going to push harder for the united states not to compromise in any way, shape or form. >> he's going to press president obama on that. but any anticipation that president obama will comply. the relations between the u.s. and israel were strained in the wake of the gaza war, right? >> i think they're going to continue to be strained and complicate and points of cooperation, points of real difference. i think what heshon just said about netanyahu's tendency to paint hamas as the worst villain he can call on. in the united states congress when he spoke there, netanyahu at that time was calling hamas al qaeda. now it's isis. the fact is, if they don't fundamentally come to terms across the palestinian/israeli divide down the road, hamas will be overthrown b

doctor youcef, a senior figure within hamas, saying that hamas is here to stay, but is committed to supporting the unity government. the unity government which is in cairo, hoping to raise the funds needed to rebuild the gaza strip. >> imtiaz tyab reporting from gaza city >>> there has been three car bomb attacks in baghdad, in diyala province. 29 kurdish officers have been kill. 88 people injured. zeina khodr is outside of erbil in northern iraq. >> powerful explosions, well coordinated attacks. three car bombings, targetting three key locations. two of them belonging to the kurdish forces. a third upped the control of the kurds. >> close by is an active front line. the kurd have been trying to wrest control of the town why the islamic state of iraq and levant. and other sunni armed groups. this is not the first times that forces have been targeted. as of late. they have managed to recapture territory from i.s.i.l. it is very ditto stop suicide bombers intent on causing destruction. a message to the kurd that they are on target. and that is a war here in the north of iraq. >> in the north of

hamas is the same as isis? >> hamas and isis, they are not twins but they are brothers. i called them branches of the same poison tree. these are radical islamic movements and they use some of the same methods. look at this. i brought this picture. and when your viewers look at this, they might think this is isis about to carry out an impending execution. but it's not. this is taken roughly at the same time of the it happened not in serial iraq syria or iraq. of this executioner is about to execute one of dozens of palestinians that they killed in order to instill the campaign of fear over the population of gaza. now, there is some differences hamas beheads people or isis beheads people and hamas puts a a bullet in their head. but if you are the victim or their family, the horror is the same. so they use the same tactics. and they also have the same goal of dominating the world with the terrible islamist conception. and i think they should be fought. we fought hamas. now you are fighting isis. but i think we shouldn't lose sight of, in the cracks we shouldn't let iran, t

because hamas and i.s.i.s.are one and the same, the prime minister knows all too well that those arab states during the recent gaza campaign didn't pressure israel in any way at all. you had egypt, saudi and uae all aligning against hamas because their broader priority and their larger fear is not israel. it's i.s.i.s. on one hand, and militant shia islam, iran and hezbollah, on the other. >> the question is, whether you can bring them into a peace process that would come up with a two state solution that would stick. aaron david miller, as always, good to have you with us. >> ools pleasure, thanks. >>> mob ties and corruption, a new book so controversial its british publisher was afraid to release it. >>> also, made in the u.s.a label, when is made in america really american? >>> cruchg tiger hidden lion, a >> i don't really know what's going to happen to me... >> of oscar winner alex gibney's hard hitting series... edge of eighteen >> i'm never going to appoligize for the type of person that i am >> facing to

i don't want to get into hamas. i want to come together, first on the idea, let's save our country and save innocent people. >> the only way to start is people, good people to challenge a charter that calls for the destruction of a state and innocent people. >> maybe if we start at the beginning -- >> if you don't do it, you are in the mob. >> i'm not apologetic. there are steps we must take to get to that. they will cut the cake fairly and not just -- >> more to come. we have to stay there. coming up here on hannity -- >> is not and will never be at war with islamists. islam teaches peace. >> here is president obama saying islam is a religion of peace. some say recent word events may prove otherwise. we'll debate that next as we continue a hannity conversation, radical islam in america, straight ahead. i make a lot of purchases for my business. and i get a lot in return with ink plus from chase. like 70,000 bonus points when i spent $5,000 in the first 3 months after i opened my account. and i earn 5 times the rewa

in other words it is precisely because they have largely supported hamas. that isn't such a matter that there isn't a a party dedicated to the armed resistance and a part that takes care of social medical service irrigation and education. second, because it is an islamic party is very often caricatured as a culture of martyrdom that raises the terms and leads to the incredible generalization that they do not value in life or the life of their children in the way that the israelis do the people of the so-called west are said to do. so to the extent that the argument relies on this growth stereotype the palestinians are figured out as the uncivilized and premodern do not value life as those that us in the west do we see that a fundamentally oriented tendency part of what makes this claim possible. the claim palestinians as a group sacrifice the children for the sake of the cause relies on the conception of palestinians is prepared and this broad view of the palestinians up to the more specific view that hamas is responsible for its own losses essentially the

and as long as israel sees hamas as brutal as some of hamas leaders are and they're still a terrorist group according to the state department. but as long as israel sees them in the same way as we see isis, the barbarians who are beheading people on video, it's going to be very hard to have a real dialogue. >> we'll see if that flies in the public perception, too. thank you for your time, andrea, a pleasure. >>> stay tuned to watch that interview with prime minister netanyahu. you can see it tomorrow on "andrea mitchell reports." >>> and up next, what is beijing's strategy for confronting one of the worst uprisings yet? it's a trick question and you'll see why. we're live from hong kong after this break. i take prilosec otc each morning for my frequent heartburn. because it gives me... zero heartburn! prilosec otc. the number 1 doctor-recommended frequent heartburn medicine for 9 straight years. one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn. need to keep an eye there aon my health.s why i we won... that's why i take meta biotic. a daily probiotic. with 70% of your immune system in y

and i ask you is hamas -- hamas' charter says to obliterate israel. i ask you if they're a terror organization and you say no. >> sean -- >> no. that's a big deal. if you can't admit the obvious. if their charter says to kill jews and obliterate israel, that's a terror organization. >> okay, sean, here's the thing that i don't -- >> why would you say it? >> can i explain? we have a little time here. first of all, not only is hamas's charter needs to be revised. not only does it need to be revised, but -- >> you want to revise their charter or they're the fascists that run the organization. it's not the charter that runs the crime. it's the fascist. >> let your brother talk for a little bit. >> you're killing me. >> i know. we're going to leave here as brothers. >> but you're saying they're not a terror organization. >> i'm saying if we start there and start with where all this stuff started, we don't look at what they say, i don't want to get into condemning -- i don't want to get into hamas. i want to come together first on the idea let's save our co

they house hezbollah and hamas and palestinian running jihad.nd at the same time what the turks are doing is unless we tackle the assad problem, which of course the president has been moved to do, then turkey is not going to come in and they are not going to save kobani. and they are not going to do the same thing and stave off a slaughter. so they are holding off this slaughter as blackmail against the international community. >> doesn't it hurt turkey as well, though? you have 1.4 million refugees from syria fleeing into turkey. and of course turkey needs financial support from the international coalition and the community at large, international community. so aren't they sort of shooting themselves in the foot, so to speak? >> well, i think they are shooting themselves in the foot in many ways. to be sure, they have taken in refugees and are paying the price for that and are doing it for the right reasons, but there are a lot of indication that is turkey is not a good allie for the united states. and certainly not for nato. we are talking rig

a senior spokesman for hamas was told the unity government was made up of professionals, hamas is not going anywhere. >> we are not going to disappear from the political landscaping. we are going to be part of it and hope to build with a strong political party. until that happiness, many challenges remain. rebuilding gaza and the push for a timetable for the creation of a palestinian state is magnified by the ongoing blockade of the gaza strip. without the opening of border crossings, reconstruction is next to impossible. while israeli officials didn't attend the conference, they'll have a major say in what happened next >>> now, evo morales has won a landmark third term as the president of bolivia. exit polls suggest he took around 60% of the vote. the latin america editor has this report from la paz. >> it was historic, bolivians giving a third term to a president, albeit after a court decision allowing evo morales to run yet again. from the presidential balcony, evo morales savured his victory. on behalf of those of us that fought for the liberation of all bolivia, we thank you for

now it's hamas then hamas took over. >> because there was an election. >> they won. they won the election. so if the same thing happens in the west bank where it goes from the palestinian authority to hamas, that's what scares the israelis. there's nine miles between the west bank, that border and the sea and tel aviv. nine miles. >> do you think israel that has taken sufficient risk to reach an agreement, as they almost had with the palestinians back at camp david with bill clinton arafat?ss sar barak was willing to go a long way. >> yeah, and rabin probably had he not been killed. even that roane pulled out of the gaza -- sharone pulled out of the gaza strip. >> he did. he also worried about the demographics. is that something you worry about? >> yeah, if israel stays in the west bank there's anywhere from 1.le million to 2 million palestinians in the west bank. there are two million palestinians in israel. israel is 22% palestinians. so between the two, you would have a majority in no time of palestinians. the only way you could control them was with force. this w

when israel pulled out of gaza, it wasn't hamas that ruled it, it was fatah, right? now it's hamas. hamas took over. >> charlie: because there was an election -- >> and they won. they won the election. so if the same thing happens in west bank, it goes from the palestinian authority to hamas, that's what scares the israelis. it's nine miles between the west bank, that border, and the sea in tel aviv, nine miles. >> charlie: do you think israel has taken sufficient risk to reach a peace agreement as they almost had with -- and the palestinians backed out at camp david with bill clinton, barak and yasser arafat? >> very hard for me to judge. >> charlie: barak was willing to go a long way. >> and rabin probably would have if he had not been killed. and even sharone pulled out of the gaza strip in real life. >> charlie: also understood the demographics. >> he did. >> charlie: is that part of the reason you worry about the future of the demographics is ariel sharon? >> yes, if israel stays in the west bank, there's 1.7 million to 2 million palestinians in the west bank. there's 2 million

qatar plays host to the leadership of hamas, a faction idealistically aligned with hamas. qatar has pledged $400 million in reconstruction aid to gaza, which is controlled by hamas. >> so we have this real problem with qatar to some extent trying to have it both ways. yes, being modern. yes, greater openness, but at the same time trying to be home to the taliban, hamas, and that does give out mixed messages. qatar rightly want to be embraced by the international community, and it deserves that embrace, but it has to shed that baggage of trying to bang roll some of the extremist voices out there. >> and qatar may be arriving at a way of shedding some of that baggage by reverting to some to its traditional role, that of intermediator. >> i express appreciation to the government of qatar in its role in bowe release. >> leading to the release of army sergeant bo boberg dal. and negotiated the release of another journalist. still in the eyes of some critics, the benefit of qatar as mediator is outweighed by the dangers of qatar as a financier of militant groups. the united stat

and hamas are branches of the same poisonous tree. >> the status of peace talks with hamas were one of many issues discussed with president obama on wednesday. the leaders were cordial, but the divergent priorities of each were clear, with president obama pushing for comprehensive peace with palestinians. >> we have to find ways to change the status quo. >> while binyamin netanyahu wanted the focus on iran, warning the president about them developing nuclear wep jones. >> i -- weapons. >> i hope under your leadership that will not happen. >> joining us from the woodrow wilson center, an advisor for the republican and democratic secretaries of state, helping to form ulate u.s. poly and lass an author. erin, the president and prime minister long had a prickly relationship. as i said, they had different agendas. the president wanting to focus on gaza and the broader piece with palestinians, binyamin netanyahu wanted to focus on the iranian nuclear threat. what do you thing was going on behind closed doors? >> first of all, i think the president is lying about focussing on israeli-palestin

>> will i condemn hamas? no, i will not condemn hamas. i wouldn't care if a thousand people disagree. >> hamas's charter says to obliterate jews and obliterate the -- >> they need to change the charter. >> how are you not going to condemn them? >> are we going to talk or scream? >> we're going to get a statement. >> first of all, what i would say is this. first of all, anybody who has an ounce of sense knows that the tag that was given to these people, barbarians, that's perfectly accurate. so don't -- but you can't substitute barbarians with islam. they may take on the idea of islam, but both christianity, judaism and islam, we invite everybody in. let's be fair, sean. let me just finish one thought. >> judaism does not invite everybody. >> but christianity and islam does. >> yes, you do. >> so the point i'm making we can't scrutinize who comes through the door. you can't just because every time someone goes bananas -- >> in the mosque -- >> nor -- >> let michelle. in the mosque in oklahoma we're told they had back room meetings. this wa

so, when it comes to their ultimate goals, hamas is isis and isis is hamas. >> ken pollock, senior fellow at brookings with an impressive resume with cia, his book about iran "unthinkable," now out in paperbook. congratulations on the book's success and thank you for being with us. >> thanks. good to be here. >> we'll talk about iran in a moment. i'd love to get your take on the comparison we just made netanyahu made comparing isis to hamas. what did you make of that? what was he trying to get at there? >> we don't know exactly quite what the prime minister had in mind, but what he was implying, what i took away from it he was saying, mr. president, you're fighting this war against isis and you need to you understand that my war against hamas is the same war as your war on isis, so you should be just as supportive of what i do against hamas as you want me to be against isis. >> the thing is, you look at the video we just showed with president staring down netanyahu going through this litany saying, this is what you worked so hard to do, mr. president. there's no love between these men. we