hastings -- >> put mr. hastings back in his chair until we are concluded. >> or?ld on until i'm done -- >> i thought you said they weren't supposed to react? >> sit down! >> judge wulle warns hastings his behavior won't help him later. >> you're really hurting your case in front of the court of appeals. they're going to see this entire record. they're going see your record, they're going to see how you're running your mouth, your honor. bye-bye, we know how to handle kids like you, son? okay, yeah, they're going to see that too. remember, you're on record, just like me, pops. >> finally, the judge gets in the last word, sentencing hastings to the maximum, 120 years in prison. >> all right, thank you, gentleman. in my world, i deal with nothing but ugly features of the human personality.find ways to not le so i can provide the next person coming into the courtroom with a fair environment. >>> coming up, a lawyer is shot. a defendant goes for a gun. and there are cries of shock and horror in the courtroom, when "caught on camera: chaos in the court" continues. [ mal

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what was not said was hastings had never taken this hastings cut off at that point. when people finally did they discovered you can do that if you are riding on a horse but you can't do it very well in these huge wagons. and the daughters against all good advice had 80 wagons, decided they would try to cross through this hastings' cut off. oh my goodness, they got stranded in the desert and had to throw away fine grandmother's furniture and the indians began to pick off the cattle that they brought and they got mixed up in the what sex range --wassax range. they got wait and wait was something you did not do when you were trying to cross the sierra mountains because when it snows. the we got big mountains up here. these are three times the size of the appalachians. there is a pass at 7,000 feet which is as high as it gets, that was a pass and they had to get there before the end of november and they didn't make it. they got up there and -- only to discover the pass was completely blocked by ten feet of snow and they could get back down because it kept on snowing. the

in 2010 hastings wrote that article that led to the rest signature nays of the top u.s.d of mindset, he's been there a number of times, what kind of mindset would lead people to this kind of video. here's what he told me. >> there's one thing that we sort of forget. marines and infantry men are taught to break the biggest taboo we have in civilization, which is don't kill people. they're trained to do that. so it's a very, very decision. once you unleash the dogs of war, to then say, oh, well, these people who have been trying to i can you that you just killed, you should treat their bodies with respect. >> i want to ask you about the mindset of some of the marines, some very young. you had access to very high brass in afghanistan. can you at all in our experience, michael, trace this attitude that we see clearly from the marines, can it be traceable up the chain? does it reflect commanders' attitudes at all? >> i would say it probably does on a certain level. i mean, i would -- >> probably does, what does that mean? >> i would say that if we injected our generals with t

which is how michael hastings has titled his great new book.d and terrifying inside story of the war in afghanistan." michael, congratulations on the book. it's great. >> thanks for having me. appreciate it. >> that's how i see the two key insights of your book and of your reporting for rolling stone that weren't about mcchrystal as a person. counter insurgency as sort of a problem. >> i think those are the two main points. the original article was the runaway general. the book is the runaway military. besides the crazy one-month boozy wild maniac killers running around europe and in kandahar and afghanistan, i feel i'm trying to give an insight into the people after ten years of work who ended up running this thing. so that's very important. but, yes, the white house's struggle with the pentagon and president obama is trying to regain control of the don't. it's one of the major themes. and coins on the outs. at least the pentagon is reading my material. they finally came around. it only took them a couple of years. i've been saying this for ye

is michael hastings. we thank you. >> thank you very much. >> for a dvd copy of this program call 1877-662-7726. for free transcripts or to give us your comments about this program, visit us at www.q-an- a.org. "q & a" programs are also available as podcasts. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012] >> next, david cameron at the house of commons. after that, florida campaign rallies with r

what was not said was that hastings had never taken this hastings cut off at that point. when people finally did discover you can do that if you're writing of a horse, but you cannot do it very well with huge wagons. end the donner against all good advice, brought 80 wagons and decided that they were going to try to cross through this hastings' cut off. oh, my goodness. they got stranded in the desert. then the indians began to pick off the cattle that they brought. and then they get mixed up in canyons and so on. overall just of it is it got late, and later was something he did not do when you were trying to cross the sierra mountains. we got big mountains appear. these are about three times the size of the appellations. there was a pass at about 7,000 feet which is about as high as it gets. that was the past. they have to get their before the end of november, and they didn't make it. they got up there only to discover that the pass was completely blocked by about 10 feet of snow and they could not get back down because it kept on selling. they did the wrong thing. what

now we were speaking earlier to michael hastings about the footprint that u.s. soldiers may have left in afghanistan and unfortunately a disturbing developments that we're following right now new photos and video have emerged showing what appears to be american soldiers urine eating on dead body bodies in that country now imagine if that sort of thing was happening in the reverse right here at home this video that you're seeing right now posted online shows four men in combat gear standing over three corpses relieving themselves at one point a game here one soldier say have a great day buddy that the u.s. marine corps has a launched an official investigation into the footage and the anonymous person who posted it included the caption scout sniper team four with the third battalion second marines out of camp late late late june peeing on dead taliban's the video and photos are of course sure to strain relations between washington and kabul relations that are already under extreme stress and it brings back memories of another american troops scandal the abu ghraib

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thank you, michael hastings, great book. "the operators" thank you michael. >> thank you, sir. >> when we get back, we finish with the robotic republican nominating process, they are acting like robots, inching toward mitt romney, not giving eight whole lot of thought or any heart. does anybody really want this guy? you're watching "hardball" on msnbc. >>> let me finish tonight with this. words coming tomorrow morning of the official results. iowa caucuses, mitt romney says it doesn't matter who won. doesn't matter? a competition is people put millions of dollars into, he spent that campaign fighting. it doesn't matter who won? is that what he's saying? then i thought, you know romney is right, it served the purpose, saved him in new hampshire, had santorum got the win, romney would have had to come to new hampshire a loser, desperate to win at home when he couldn't win at home. he needed to win at home the country at large rejected him. he had the benefits of the being the winner, he won in new hampshire, made him the winne

and hastings position is that that is what is part of the media complex as he puts it.id that is bad and the people who cover the war should have had more vietnam anti-war fighting experience. they bought it hook line and sinker. he aeroused bad foalings and it raises an interesting point. the iraq war was not a victory and it kind of -- it is a dark truth to realize that and this is what he's writing about as well as afghanistan. >> no doubt the book is generating a lot of buzz. thank you as always. >> a church in michigan is reaching out to worshippers in a modern way. tattoos are just the beginning, stay with us. [ male announcer ] it's simple physics... a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually se arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hour relief for many with arthritis pain and inflammatio plus, in clinical studie

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that a son she actually has a few regrets so her discuss it with me is michael hastings rolling stone contributing editor and author of the operators michael thanks so much for coming on and i think you have just had you on last week talking about mcchrystal now you got assigned to tell me about that why the sunday agree to do an interview with you i've been talking to the wiki leaks people for about a month i felt the songs was a fascinating figure in some ways i could relate to bear on a very small scale what it's like when when other when the government starts to really criticize your work and that's up to me a couple times and i've been out there defending wiki leaks and the mission of what they're doing because i think it's very important and there were very few journalists who were actually going out there and saying hey you know this is a good thing they're doing i think that a lot of people are probably carious about what his state it's like he's been under house arrest has this thing around his ankle been locked away for months and nobody really gets to see him what's what's

but now rolling stone's michael hastings had the rare opportunity to actually sit down with the wiki leaks founder one on one while he's under house arrest in london and awaiting his final appeal attempt with the british supreme court which is set for friday february first of this year three days that hastings spent with a songe also happen to be during bradley manning's article thirty two pretrial hearing that was held at fort meade last month so what is a songe have to say for himself about the u.s. government's case against him about the western media as abandonment of him eruptions we've seen across the world in the form of protest and revolution and the future of wiki leaks he things learns that a songe actually has a few regrets so here discuss it with me is michael hastings rolling stone contributing editor and author of the operators michael thanks so much for coming on and i think just last week talking about mcchrystal now you got a son tell me about that why the sons agree to do an interview with you i've been talking to the wiki leaks people for about a month i felt the s

. >> michael hastings wrote about the commander in the june 2010 issue of "rolling stone." >> i said it was between you and lady gaga just making a joke. general mcchrystal replied just put me and lady gaga in a heart-shaped tub. i thought this is a different kind of general. >> several months later as a result of the article, general mcchrystal had been fired. michael hastings continues the story and talks about his new book "the operators" sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span's q&a. >>> this is c-span3 with politics and public affairs programming throughout the week and every week end "american history tv," 48 hours of people and events telling the american story. get our schedules and see past programs at our websites and join in the conversation on these social media sites. >>> more state of the state addresses now from across the nation. up next iowa republican terry branstad talks about events in his state for the past year. this is about half an hour. >> thank you, thank you. >> madam lieutenant governor, mr. president, mr. speaker, leaders, justices and judges, legislators,

. >> mikeal hastings wrote about the commander of u.s. and nato forces in afghanistan in the june 2010 issue of "rolling stone." >> i said, you know, well, sir, i think it's between you and lady gaga. i was just making some -- trying to make some joke not knowing lady gaga was actually going to be on the cover. general mcchrystal replied, just put me and lady gaga in a heart-shaped tub. i thought, like, this is a different kind of general. this is going to be a different kind of story. >> just several mornts later as a result of the article general mcchrystal had been fired. michael hastings continues the story and talks about his new book "the operators" sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span's q & a. >>> i do believe that the west for all of its historical shortcomings, and i'm scathing in my book in discussing these shortcomings, because they have to be admitted, for all of these shortcomings, the west still today represents the most acceptable and workable, universally workable, political culture. >> in 1991 the united states was the

our guest is michael hastings. we thank you. >> thank you very much. >> for a dvd copy of this program call 1877-662-7726. for free transcripts or to give us your comments about this program, visit us at www.q-an- a.org. "q & a" programs are also available as podcasts. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012] >> next, your calls and comments on [video clip] "washington journal" then, security secretary janet napolitano. at 2:00 p.m., a new gingrich campaign rally in tampa and a mitt romney campaign rally at 6:10 p.m. eastern. >> tonight,ftc commissioners tore the consumer electronics show in las vegas. this is the second in a series of developments in communications and consumer technology. that is tonight at 8:00 eastern on c-span 2. . >> this morning, american conservative union chairman and florida republican party discusses the role of conservatives in the 2012 gop primary. then janet murguia, president and ceo o

. >> michael hastings wrote about the commander of u.s. and nato forces in afghanistan in the 2010 issue of "rolling stone". i said it is between you and lady gaga. i was making a joke. general mccrystal replied put me and lady gaga in a heart shaped tub. i thought this is a different kind of general and a different story. >> several months later as a result of the article general mccrystal had been fired. michael hastings talked about the article sunday night. >>> this is c-span 3 with politics and public affairs programming throughout the week and every weekend american history tv, 48 hours of people and events. get our schedules and see past programs at our websites and join in the conversation on these social media sites. >>> the u.s. army chief of staff friday spoke with reporters about the pentagon's new budget proposal and how it could effect the army. he told it reporters that two u.s. army brigades would leave europe. this is about half an hour. >>> i have about ten minutes and then i want to open it up for any questions that you

. >> michael hastings wrote in the june 2010 issue of rolling stone. >>. >> i said well, sir, i think it's between you and lady gaga. i was just trying to make some joke, not knowing that lady gaga was actually going to be on the cover. general mcchrystal replied just put me and lady gaga in a heart-shaped tub. and i thought this is a different kind of general, this is going to be a different kind of story. >> but just several months later as a result of the article, general mcchrystal had been fired. michael hastings continues the story and talks about his new book "the operators," sunday night at 8 eastern on c-span's q&a. . >>> secretary of state hillary clinton said today that she is ready to leave the, quote, high-wire of american politics. she reiterated her plans to leave government service, even if president obama is elected to a second term. at a town hall meeting at the state department today, she also touched on u.s. policy toward iraq, afghanistan, and other parts of the globe. [ applause ] >> good morning, everyone, and welcome to the secretary of state's town hall meetin

. >> michael hastings wrote about the commander of u.s. and nato forces in afghanistan. in the june 2010 issue of "rolling stone." >> i said, well, sir, i think it's between you and layidy gag. i was making a joke. general mcchrystal replied, just put me and lady gaga in a heart-shaped tub. i thought like, this is -- this is a different kind of general. this is going to be a different kind of story. >> but several months later as a result of the article, general mcchrystal had been fired. michael hastings continues the story and talks about his new book "the operators" on c-span's q&a. >>> we're talking with dave zuchowski, executive vice president of hyundai usa. mr. zuchowski, how many hyundais are made in the u.s.? how many people are employed by hyundai in the u.s.? >> we represent 94,000 jobs in the private sector. we have two assembly plants and produce about 420,000 vehicles. so we sell -- we sold about 645,000 vehicles in 2011. and about 420 of them were built in the united states. >> where are your plants? >> we have a plant in montgomery, alabama, and a plant i

michael hastings, our guest this sunday, 8:00 p.m. this sunday on q & a on c-span radio. he discusses his book, "the operators." >> and welcome back to washington today here on c-span radio. we welcome listeners coast to coast on km channel 119. beat are the 90.1 fm in our nation's capital and streamed at radio.o radio.org. tomorrow the candidates heading to south florida for a hispanic leadership conference. tomorrow at 11:00 eastern time, newt gingrich delivering remarks before the gathering. about 12:30, mitt romney will be speaking there. all eyes tonight on jacksonville and the debate that will take place on cnn. we'll have a chance to reair that debate this weekend. get information by logging on to c-span.o c-span.org. >> the president using the backdrop of the u.p.s. facilities in las vegas, nevada to be talk about his energy policies. he was using it also, according to the las vegas sun up to fend off critics have stifled domestic energy production. the preds today announcing the administration will open up 38 million acres of oil and gas drilling along the xwufl

." >> michael hastings wrote about the commander of u.s. and nato forces in afghanistan in the june 2010 issue of "rolling stone." >> i said, well, sir, i think it's between you and lady gaga. you know, i was just trying to make some joke, not knowing lady gaga was actually going to be on the cover. general mcchrystal replied "just put me and lady gaga in a heart-shaped tub." and i thought this is a different kind of general. this is going to be a different kind of story. >> but several months later as a result of the article, general mcchrystal had been fired. michael hastings continues the story and talks about his new book "the operators" on c-span's q&a. >>> c-span's road to the white house coverage takes you live to the events in florida through the weekend leading up to tuesday's galena park primary. >> by the end of my second term. we will have the first permanent base on the moon, and it will be american. and by the end of 2020, we will have the first continuous propulsion system in space, capable of getting to mars in a remarkably

. >> michael hastings wrote about general mcchrystal in the january 2010 version of "rolling stone." >> i said, sir, i think it's between you you and lady gaga. just put me and lady gaga in a heart shaped tub. i thought, this is going to be a different story. just several months later, general mcchrystal had been fired and michael hastings continues will the story and talks about the operators. >> i do believe that the west for all of its historical shortcoming shortcomings. for all of these shortcomings, the west still today represents the most acceptable and workable university -- >> in 1991, the united states was the only global superpower. today, counter restored status in the world. from former national security advisers on his strategic vision, saturday night at 10:00 eastern. also this weekend on book tv, did fdr use world war ii as a cover to create a more powerful executive branch. that's saturday at 11:00 p.m. and sunday night at 10:00, the new privacy is no privacy. lori andrews on how your rights are being eroided by social networks. book tv every weekend on c-span 2. >>>

i don't care about the article, >> michael hastings wrotet ver. commander of the u.s. and nato forces in afghanistan in the 2010 june issue of "rolling stone." >> i said, sir, it's between you and lady gaga not knowing she was going to be on the cover. >> he replied just put me an lady gaga in a heart-shaped tub. i thought this is a different kind of general, a different kind of story. >> several months later as a result of the article, general mcchrystal had been fired. michael hastings continues the story sunday night on q&a. >> it would be intolerable if a handful of violent people, and that is what it is, just a handful, could harden us against needed change. i've seen an uglier and it

this issue about the school, s yes, hastings, the case is coming before the supreme court, hastings told the christian league, students of the christian league, that they can no longer have university facilities, their law school facilities, because they excluded people whose sexual life was immoral. and i was thinking, you know, i think they ought to have the right to exclude, you know, i think that's a right of free association. it doesn't seem to me that it's damaging a lot of people. i don't know whether that seems like a libertarian to you, but i leaned against the institution. >> the other side, left leaning. >> left leaning is easier. i'm really, really concerned with social justice. i think it's abominable that we don't pay a living wage. when we start paying a living wage to workers all over the world, i bet half of our social problems will be gone. poverty is -- it's the bain of people's lives and there are a lot of people who are poor. i mean, it's not a small number. and so i guess being for the living wage is different from not wanting welfare. i want people to work to be ab

book from michael hastings the rolling stone reporter the rolling stone reporter who broke that story about general stanley mcchrystal now rolling stone is certainly a bigger news organization but it's it's not what you consider and major type of political news they broke that story and they were largely denigrated by the traditional mainstream media organizations that are potentially going to be part of this effort to financially penalize those who criticize those mainstream media organizations so i guess the point here that that day was making over firedoglake and i think it's worth repeating the notion that the only institutions doing real journalism in this society are the old traditional legacy organizations is rob it's not acceptable it's not true and continuing to forward that idea i think only highlights the shortcomings of those traditional news organizations because it's so patently untrue it's a now they've set up the company news right is going ahead is there any way to stop a they think there's going to be a big fight over this or will they make people pay up. i think wha

hastings probably has a better handle on what customers want in this new age and realizes people wanttch content when they want it and saw the value in making subscribers feeling like they were part of a club. but he hurt people. and he's -- the makers of video have become wise. hastings made it clear in a funny moment in the call where he says the average household watches eight hours of tv a day and the average investor doesn't come anywhere near there. starting with total and complete and utter cramer fav, steven van zant. i bet that's going to be a big hit. he said a streaming customer is worth much more than a dvd customer thanks to the minimal cost of servicing the subscriber. all great insights. what do you do with the stocks? if you really believe netflix is coming back, i think you should buy time warner. i think the stephen vietnan zan meant to be like hbo. i know you might be thinking cramer's punting, not offering any direction on netflix, just suggesting you buy something else entirely. sometimes you got to just stay on the sidelines. there are so many people wanting to p

. >> michael hastings wrote about the commander of u.s. and nato forces in afghanistan in the june 2010 issue of "rolling stone." >> i said, well, sir, i think it's between you and lady gaga. you know, i was just making -- trying to make some joke, not knowing lady gaga was actually going to be on the cover. general mcchrystal replied just put me and lady gaga in a heart-shaped tub. and i thought this is a different kind of general. this is going to be a different kind of story. >> but just several months later as a result of the article, general mcchrystal had been fired. michael hastings continues the story and talks about his new book "the operators," sunday night at 8 eastern on c-span's q&a. >>> the center for strategic and international studies held a discussion friday on the newly released fiscal year 2013 defense budget. secretary panetta unveiled the $525 billion package with an additional request of $88.4 billion for overseas operations yesterday. defense and budget analysts examined the numbers and expressed some concerns. this

rare opportunity to sit down with wiki leaks founder julian assange for a one on one interview so hastings is going to join us to tell us about songes regrets his take on the u.s. government's case against him and the future of wiki leaks and also the big news tonight the state department and the obama administration announce that they will not be supporting the keystone x.l. pipeline so we're going to have all of that morphy tonight including a dose of happy hour but first let's take a look at the mainstream media has decided to miss. it so today january eighteenth is blackout day and protest of sopa the stop online piracy act in the house and the protect ip act in the senate hundreds of websites have blacked out their websites and guess what the mainstream media finally noticed . several websites including wicked pedia are blacking out their web pages for the entire day they're protesting an anti-piracy bill in congress a defiant protest today several web sites including wicked pedia literally shutting down their sites they have gone dark today. as a protest of a new bill that many criti

. >> "rolling stone article was written by journalist michael hastings.n his new book, "the operators." michael, a great pleasure to have you here. i will say this. this book is a fantastic read. it is so well done. i tore through it. we have authors on the show. let me go a little more. give you a little more. no, we have authors on the show a lot and i try to read the books or a part of it. but enough to pretend i read the whole thing. i tore through this whole thing and it was just -- it was fantastic testament. >> amazing to hear. i want to say it's actually quite an honor to be on the show. i'm so used to live tweeting your show with a #up that i don't know how i will follow. i appreciate it. thank you so much. >> let's start off that clip. one of the things i think is fascinating about the book is that i think probably partly because of the publicity that article got and the way it affected the world, right? you couldn't just be an observer any more. you were our participant in our afghanistan policy at a certain point because it was your article th