reporter: hayden has one used hearing aid that still works.hey can't afford a new pair and they learned that insurance in most states won't pay to cover hearing aids for kids. when we first shared hayden's story three months ago, his mother was frustrated. >> we make too much money to, you know, to do the medicaid route, and we can't use them -- can't get any kind of supplement, so it's just all out of pocket and at $6,000 is a lot of money. >> reporter: the problem the mckenzie family faced in georgia is a problem many other working class families struggle with when raising hearing impaired children. a recent study by the centers for disease control and prevention shows that 5 in hefer 1,000 children in the u.s. age 3 to 17 suffers from some form of hearing loss. amanda said when she called looking for help, the insurance company told her hearing aids are elective. >> so if we had bigger suitcases, then we would have put him on there. >> reporter: but now there's new hope for hayden. this kid from atlanta found it in minneapolis. >> it feels

welcome back to the show our guest today is michael hayden former n.s.a. and cia director when we're discussing the fallout from prison gate on edward snowden's extraordinary revelations general hayden what exactly does it tell you about your system that your own people whistle blow on you because it's not the first time. no no it's not and you know i mentioned before that i believe mr snowden was not a hero he had committed a crime but he was also a troubled young man let me phrase it for you this way what kind of what kind of moral arrogance is required to believe that your personal moral judgment trumps that of two presidents two houses of our congress the american courts and over thirty thousand of your coworkers. know i would miss it in american society as in russian society we have a generation of young folks whose kind of absolute commitment to transparency reaches well beyond anything of my generation or even my children's generation and we are now like the russian security services or any security service or out the world we're now recruiting from

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and cia director for star general michael hayden it's really great to have you on our show tonight thank you very much so in your opinion is snowden a hero or a traitor. well he's certainly not a hero and i don't think he meets the legal definition of being a traitor according to our constitution but he certainly has done a very very bad thing and i think he's also a very troubled young man so perhaps truth lies somewhere. in between the two extremes you pointed out what do you think it could be a chinese spy dick cheney seems to think so. you know i don't have evidence of it. but i'm going to it's a curious thing why would he go to hong kong for his refuge there are other places available that he could have chosen and given the state of side of the american relations particularly when it comes to things about the cyber domain it really is a curious choice but again no evidence to date i'll tell you how i would handle it or i still in government i would make this one of my working i pod to seize one not not all one of my working up offices and then try to seek out evidence to prove that

hayden has described these firms as "digital blackwater."ccording to the journalist tim shorrock, about 70% of the national intelligence budget is spent on the private-sector. >> the leaks by edward snowden has also raised questions over who has access to the nation's biggest secret. according to the washington post, authorities are unsure how contract employee at a distant nsa satellite office was able to obtain a highly classified copy of an order from the foreign intelligence surveillance court. edward snowden claimed get the power to spy on anyone, including the president. >> an analyst at any time can target anyone anywhere. where this communications will be picked up depends on the range of the internet works and the authorities that analyst is empowered with, which not all have the ability to target everything. but i sitting at my desk certainly have the authorities to wiretap anyone from you or your accountant to a federal judge to even the president if i had a personal email. >> to talk more about edward snowden and the protest worl

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general hayden, let's talk first of all about the general reaction you have to senator paul.into specific issues with you. as a man who used to run these programs how important and how effective have they been in keeping us safe and how do you feel when you hear senator paul talk about class action lawsuits to the supreme court? new congressional restrictions? >> first of all, chris, with regard to how effective they are i think they're very effective. we had two presidents doing the same thing with regard to electronic surveillance. that seems to me to suggest that these things do work. with regard to what the senator said, if i believed nsaa was doing some of the things they fear he's doing i would have backstopped in the first segment. he said we're trolling through millions of records. that's just simply not true. it acquires records as business records from the telecom providers and then doesn't go into that database without an arguable reason connected to terrorism to ask that database a question. if you don't have any link to that original predicate, terrorism, your ph

michael hayden, who has run both of america's major spy agencies, the nsa and the cia, will give us some straight answers. >>> then is edward snowden a hero or a zero. two of the "new yorker" magazine's finest journalists who follow the subject disagree. jeff toobin versus john cassidy, a fight to the finish. >> then we look at the middle east, turkey, egypt and much more. what to make of it all.

what the policy is, as general hayden pointed out, is much stronger under this president. and the technology has forced us into following the phones and the emails rather than following the people in the -- as the old system used to be, but you cannot -- the problem is it is the right thing to do and it is how we connect the dots and just because it's the right thing to do doesn't mean it will be done right and what people can't see is this. what they can't see is it's conflation with the irs, horrible, horrible. >> bus abuse of private liberti and privacy. so you can't take these things in a vacuum. in this obama care and all of the rest are not just scandals and the intrusiveness and the overreach of the government, people, of course, the public rightly attaches it to this kind of intelligence gathering. >> this is interesting, peter. and, frankly, to watch what happens in the panel because there's a difference between government surveillance program which has been approved by congress which there is a court buy-in on, and the president says that he's outraged by, the ir

moik al hayden, who has run both of america's major spy agencies, the nsa and the cia, will give us some straight answers. >>> then is edward snowden a hero or a zero. two of the new yorker magazine's finest journalists who follow the subject disagree. je jeff toobin versus john cassidy, a fight to the finish. >> then we look at the middle east, turkey, egypt and much more. what to make of it all. >> and -- 50 years later, we'll talk about that speech and another one, one that jeffrey sachs says is the most important presidential speech of the modern era. >> and that is the most important topic on earth, peace. >> but first here's my take. so, the obama administration has now decided that syria's use of chemical weapons crosses a red line. as a result, the united states will supply the opposition with small arms and ammunition. this strikes me as a risky decision. too little to have a real impact and enough to commit the united states in a complex civil war. first let's be clear. this will not ease the humanitarian nightmare unfolding in syria. the opposition forces will now have some mo

general hayden, you have been in the thick of this debate in your past as one of the nation's top spiess are interesting in terms of where the american people are. and we'll put some of the polling on the screen. 56% believe that the secret court ordering the tracking of calls of millions of americans is something that is acceptable to the american people. do you think that still holds? will it hold as more information is known about it? >> i actually think as more accurate information is known about it, it will hold, and perhaps even expand. now, there's a natural instinct in the united states, a natural instinct by the way we cover these sorts of things to rush the story to the darkest corner of the room, but i don't think that's where this story belongs. and as americans learn about the safeguards and the effects of the products of this program, i think they'll become even more comfortable. >> what has been misconstrued, from your judgment, having presided over these programs? what is done that people don't really understand is being done? >> what's most unfortunate is that both stor

i know mike hayden well, his predecessor. mike became cia director. i worked with mike hayden when we set up the program. he came to me, he and george tenet. we said there were additional things we could gather if we had more authority. i took it to the president and he signed off on it with strict limitations and restrictions on what we could do. these men are as fine officers as you will find in the united states military. i have met a lot of them over the years. i trust them with my life. >> what do you make of -- >> what i make of what the saying is they are to be believed. they are good honest americans, patriotic and they care about their responsibility to safe guard civil liberties. >> what do you make of the president suggesting, well i had to scrub up what they left me? >> i don't pay attention to a lot of what barack obama says. i find a lot of it in irs, benghazi, not credible. i'm not a fan of the incumbent president. i don't know what he did to the program. the program obviously from what's now been released is still in operation. i think

as general michael hayden the nsa director who took charge in 1989 put it in an age of telenoncations breakthroughs the nsa was becoming deaf. 9/11 delivered a shock that was loud enough for everyone to hear. the nsa got a bigger budget and a new mission. stop the next attack. and we are now learning more about the nsa's vast capabilities to monitor what all of us do online which leads us to things like a massive data collection center being built in the utah desert. >> really a turnkey situation where it could become a totaltarian state >>> even electrons take up space, though not much. i just bought this memory card. 59 bucks. 46 gigabytes. this can hold almost 30,000 copies of this book, "war and peace." staggering. what is even more staggering is an nsa data center five times the size much the capitol behind me he filled with memory cards and computer chips. you may not know about it but as catherine herridge reports, it may soon know about you. >>> bluff dale utah. 25 miles due south of salt lake city and just west of the middle of no where a massive construction project is neari

we also talked to the head of nas security agency, general michael hayden defends the program. congress is going to restrict the government from do what they say is necessary to protect us against terrorism is a tough vote. >> jamie: i'm personally careful what i say on the air because i don't want to help the bad guys. you don't want to give information to help them in their war on terror. did he classifying this program that is critical release of this information basically handed over a playbook of some of our methods to the terrorists. do we need to recover from that or is it okay they know maybe there is more they don't? >> the answer is we didn't discuss that, but the answer is the idea that there is a huge dragnet of surveillance, i think is something that any terrorist would have suspected. i would be surprised that the idea that emails and phone calls are intercepted. we are long way from knowing how they pull that off and how they are able to sift through 3 billion phone calls a day. this is the reason that osama bin laden didn't conduct any business on the internet o

. >> reporter: when talking to 7-year-old hayden mckenzie you got to speak up.and his parents can't afford a new one. when we first shared hayden's story three months ago, his mother was frustrated. >> we make too much money to do the medicaid route. and you can't use them -- we can't get any kind of supplement. so it's just all out of pocket. and $6,000 is a lot of money. >> reporter: the problem that the mckenzie family faced in georgia say problem that other families face. a research shows 1 in 5 children in the u.s. age 3 to 17 suffers from some form of hearing loss. amanda said when she called looking for help, the insurance company told her hearing aids are elective. >> so if we had bigger suitcases we would have put them on there. >> reporter: now there's new hope for hayden, this kid from atlanta, found it in minneapolis. >> it feels like we've been on this road for about three years now. it finally feels like you're seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. >> reporter: it's an opportunity this family never asked for, never expected. >> hearing technol

hayden knew at the time that the companies in silicon valley had the knowledge and skill required to happen. in an interview with the national journal, hayden is quoted as saying, "we made them part of the team because" -- and i'm quoting here, "why would we not turn the most powerful telecommunications and computing management struck on the planet to our use." it's that interview given by michael hayden, he gets to the core of the political revelation that's have rocked the political and tech world over the past week. which is the fact that the same electronic architecture that brings us everything that is amazing about social media and also makes a lot of money is, to use edward snowden's catchy phrase, an architecture of oppression. and all of this has been super embarrassing for the tech industry. the nsa is said to have tapped into the servers of nine of the biggest companies. still the heads of two of those companies have put up a rather curious but united front by issuing nearly identical and very carefully parsed, measured statements denying any knowledge of nsa's prism progr

director and retired general, michael hayden.o play some sound. i spoke with senator rand paul a little while ago and asked him how edward snowden should be handled and this is what he said. >> i think he was divulging a program that i think clearly there are constitutional questions about and for which the director of intelligence, frankly lied to the u.s. senate and said, we're not collecting any data on any americans, when in fact they're doing a billion pieces of data every day. >> so he says there are constitutional questions about the surveillance programs and there are serious credibility problems with the intelligence apparatus in this country. do you agree? >> no, i don't. >> with either one of those? >> no, with neither. let me assume that i do for a moment, all right? to be a true whistleblower, you need to raise your hand inside the institution. you need to go to your supervisor. you need to go to the inspector-general. you need to go to members of congress. all of these things are laid out. if you think something's w

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companies who did hand over data to the government got a big thank you that's according to michael hayden who used to head the cia as well as the national security agency which runs of course the prism program and mr hayden told bloomberg this if i were the director and had a relationship with a company who was doing things that were not just directed by law but were also valuable to the defense of the republic i would go out of my way to thank them and give them a sense as to why this is necessary and useful all right well what kind of thank you exactly are we talking about here well again not a lot of details but anonymous sources did tell bloomberg that leaders of the companies who handed over data to the government were showered with attention and information by government agencies in fact in some instances that meant quick warnings about the threats that could affect their bottom line for example serious internet attacks and who's behind them of course this exchange of information is supposed to be voluntary and while at this point we don't exactly have evidence that this is not the

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