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good morning, commissioners, vice president nakajo, chief hayes-white. mickey callahan, i'm the city's department of human resources director. i'm here with scott wolf who will assist me in facilitating the selection process. our goal is to ensure that the commission has a group of well qualified candidates from whom to select either up to three candidates to send to the mayor for consideration and appointment in light of the announced retirement of chief hayes-white. we have prepared, and i believe you have in your packets, a date and recommended hiring steps, so i'd like to maybe run through the highlights of that for you and talk a little bit about what we will be doing and how we will be supporting the commission, if that's helpful. >> president cleaveland: we do. please proceed. >> we have prepared a -- first, i will note that the charter provides that the obligation of the require commission is to -- fire commission is to under the charter submit at least three qualified applicants. this is the standard that exists for most of the department head s
good morning, commissioners, vice president nakajo, chief hayes-white. mickey callahan, i'm the city's department of human resources director. i'm here with scott wolf who will assist me in facilitating the selection process. our goal is to ensure that the commission has a group of well qualified candidates from whom to select either up to three candidates to send to the mayor for consideration and appointment in light of the announced retirement of chief hayes-white. we have prepared, and i...
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chief hayes-white? >> commissioner hayes-white: thank you. i just wanted to express my thanks to everyone. i think we are a good client, but at times probably from their perspective, a demanding client because we've asked over and over for redo's or we're definitely, through chief rivera and chief zanoff, on it, and it's great from both commissioners that we've heard from, but you've been responsive to our requests and needs. also, the artist has been very diligent in responding to our feedback. i also do think there could be other solutions to the fencing or security. security is a number one concern for that. we're fortunate that there are no adjacent residential properties that are on that block that i'm aware of. it's an industrial area. it doesn't necessarily mean it needs to have chicken wire or security fence like that, but it is something that we're sensitive, too, but also, i know the architect is here today, so thank you. >> president cleaveland: thank you, chief. i appreciate your presentation very much. i have a couple of question
chief hayes-white? >> commissioner hayes-white: thank you. i just wanted to express my thanks to everyone. i think we are a good client, but at times probably from their perspective, a demanding client because we've asked over and over for redo's or we're definitely, through chief rivera and chief zanoff, on it, and it's great from both commissioners that we've heard from, but you've been responsive to our requests and needs. also, the artist has been very diligent in responding to our...
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>> commissioner hayes-white: i believe the first test after a ten-year absence, we administered. i can get it from staff, 2010, we tested for the h-30. i'd have to -- i'll get back to you momentarily. it's been -- we have an active captain's list now, so it's about two years -- yeah. so it's -- there's a current captain's list, either '15 or '16, it was administered. i'll get back to you in a minute. >> commissioner veronese: my concern is we could be pulling from a pool of a half a dozen to a dozen people if the captain's list is more than a decade old that we've actually been hired from. >> commissioner hayes-white: so we've had three captain's exams since i've been chief. >> commissioner veronese: you've been chief for a very long time. >> commissioner hayes-white: correct. i've been chief for 15 years. >> commissioner veronese: so my question is how big is this pool that we're limiting ourselves to? >> commissioner hayes-white: so i could take a moment and text staff and say how many people at the role of captain and above in the last ten years, and i could get that informati
>> commissioner hayes-white: i believe the first test after a ten-year absence, we administered. i can get it from staff, 2010, we tested for the h-30. i'd have to -- i'll get back to you momentarily. it's been -- we have an active captain's list now, so it's about two years -- yeah. so it's -- there's a current captain's list, either '15 or '16, it was administered. i'll get back to you in a minute. >> commissioner veronese: my concern is we could be pulling from a pool of a half a...
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president, chief hayes white. >> i and currently as signed to the airport department. prior to this i worked in the stress unit as one of the two full-time pier stress councilors for five.five years. i want to thank everyone here today for the unwavering support of unit and the members of our department. i stand before you here today because i truly believe that commissioner veronese's you have recommendation could help the members. i believe having two full-time stress unit peer counselors is inadequate for the membership of approximately 1700. again, i think bolstering the unit could be of great assistance to the members of the department. i want to thank you all four your support. good evening. thank you. >> thank you. any other public comment? okay. commissioner would you like to begin the discussion on this? perhaps read the resolution. >> sure. thank you. first of all, i want to start off by thanking dan for coming. he and john christy had donnism amazing work. i am confident that this resolution will save lives. i am confident of that. i know the work john and d
president, chief hayes white. >> i and currently as signed to the airport department. prior to this i worked in the stress unit as one of the two full-time pier stress councilors for five.five years. i want to thank everyone here today for the unwavering support of unit and the members of our department. i stand before you here today because i truly believe that commissioner veronese's you have recommendation could help the members. i believe having two full-time stress unit peer...
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. >> san francisco fire chief joanne hayes-white and chief scott will lead in a turkey carve-off. they will help the salvation army carve up 1,600 pounds of turkey. thanksgiving dinners will be delivered to 4,000 seniors and homebound people in san francisco. it begins at 9:00 a.m. at the salvation army harbor light center. good luck. may the best carve erwin. >> may they all win after that. >> we are so thankful for this rain. >> right. yeah. it's here. it's not quite everywhere, but it will get there eventually today. we talked about that yesterday. it will take a little bit for it to get out of the north bay and move to the south bay. you have the driest commute, south bay and inland east bay, pleasanton, sunol grade. that's where we will have the easiest commute. golden gate bridge northward, it is wet already. a steady rain with waves of showers for the rest of us. scattered rain tomorrow until the evening hours when it becomes steadier and hangs around through friday. then it looks like the weekend is looking brighter and milder. so here's the cold front that will bring us t
. >> san francisco fire chief joanne hayes-white and chief scott will lead in a turkey carve-off. they will help the salvation army carve up 1,600 pounds of turkey. thanksgiving dinners will be delivered to 4,000 seniors and homebound people in san francisco. it begins at 9:00 a.m. at the salvation army harbor light center. good luck. may the best carve erwin. >> may they all win after that. >> we are so thankful for this rain. >> right. yeah. it's here. it's not quite...
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. >> item four report from chief of department joanne hayes-white on currentshires, activities and eventsepartment since the fire commission meeting on october 10, 2018. communications and outreach to government agencies and report from administration deputy chief nicholson. homeland security and training within the department. >> good evening. i just heard from your colleague. he is in route about a block away. he will be joining us shortly. the last meeting was on october 10th. we have finalized the budget including the final mark os that. with regard to the upcoming budget we will begetsing budget innstruction this is about a month'sheim. i have spoken to the committee to discuss preparation for next fiscal year's budget. division training has been busy. in the process of offering the officer academy. all officers promoted within the last three years are expected to attend. the deputies and i spoke with every class last week. on friday we were joined by the vice president to offer words of wisdom, expectations, congratulations as well for all of them stepping up. it is the biggest step
. >> item four report from chief of department joanne hayes-white on currentshires, activities and eventsepartment since the fire commission meeting on october 10, 2018. communications and outreach to government agencies and report from administration deputy chief nicholson. homeland security and training within the department. >> good evening. i just heard from your colleague. he is in route about a block away. he will be joining us shortly. the last meeting was on october 10th. we...
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this is chief hayes-white's last official carving. in may. >> this has been a great tradition for me and the department. a wonderful cause to make people's thanksgiving happier. it's part of what we do. it's become a tradition. one of my favorite days of the year. as we talked about it, i do -- i'm a little emotional because it's my last time in uniform but also because my carving partner isn't here mayor lee. and he is truly missed. he loved this day, as well. >> that's true. the next 48 hours the salvation army is expected to carve 1700 turkeys and prepare over 4,000 thanksgiving meals for seniors and those who are homeless. >> that's it for us. thank you for watching ktvu fox 2 news at 4:00. the five begins after the break. e break. ir >>> umbrellas, roads flooded and also a general sense of relief. the first big rainstorm of the season comes through and finally clears the bay area of all that smoke. good evening, everyone. i'm frank somerville. >> and i'm julie haener. the rain was heavy enough to cause flooding on many local free
this is chief hayes-white's last official carving. in may. >> this has been a great tradition for me and the department. a wonderful cause to make people's thanksgiving happier. it's part of what we do. it's become a tradition. one of my favorite days of the year. as we talked about it, i do -- i'm a little emotional because it's my last time in uniform but also because my carving partner isn't here mayor lee. and he is truly missed. he loved this day, as well. >> that's true. the...
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i had the privilege to represent chief hayes white at the huntington park nobody hill the other night. the captain was awarded recognition. we nominated him for the appointments. he exemplifies the members that go to the deployments. since 2006 he was deployed 19 crimes. our units were part of saving the camp and lodge. he went to the fire in 2017 as part of the strike time that saved did you house us -- houses in santa rosa. part of the job was looking for evidence. that was the task. they did a good job at it. i aim happy they got that award. thank you. >> commissioner hard die man. >> commissioner hardeman: attor, remember that. >> i get paid for the results. >> i sign a lot of checks to lawyers. anyway, the training facility in hayward, have you toured that a new one? >> i have not. >> i saw that on tv. i was shocked how lab brat it looked. i was impressed. it impressed me i didn't know anyone was building the new training facility. they mentioned where the money came from to fund that. it was in one ear and out the other ear. funding for five more engines, can you -- a little mor
i had the privilege to represent chief hayes white at the huntington park nobody hill the other night. the captain was awarded recognition. we nominated him for the appointments. he exemplifies the members that go to the deployments. since 2006 he was deployed 19 crimes. our units were part of saving the camp and lodge. he went to the fire in 2017 as part of the strike time that saved did you house us -- houses in santa rosa. part of the job was looking for evidence. that was the task. they did...
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. >> commissioner hayes-white: so i'll read the certificate from my microphone.hey say the same thing. san francisco fire department of meritorious appreciation. thank you very much from all the members of the san francisco fire department. [applause] >> okay. chief rivera, come back up, and we'll continue with item five. >> good morning. assistant chief tony rivera, and the lovely kathleen o'day. we're going to go ahead, and i believe we may be having some technical difficulties with the display screen, but i just wanted to mention that what you won't see on this display is all the meetings and issues that we had to resolve over -- before we came to this point, and it has really been rewarding to work with kathleen and samuel and the whole team to get to this point, so i just want to make sure that everyone's aware of that. >> are you able to see what i have on the screen? >> president cleaveland: we can see it on the screen here. it's just not visible to the public, i don't think. >> good morning, commissioners. i'd like to also introduce a few people here -- [
. >> commissioner hayes-white: so i'll read the certificate from my microphone.hey say the same thing. san francisco fire department of meritorious appreciation. thank you very much from all the members of the san francisco fire department. [applause] >> okay. chief rivera, come back up, and we'll continue with item five. >> good morning. assistant chief tony rivera, and the lovely kathleen o'day. we're going to go ahead, and i believe we may be having some technical...
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salvation army crews were prepping food this morning including the san francisco fire chief joanne hayes-white but this afternoon organizers at the african-american art and culture complex were serving means to make sure no one is hungry so they invited the needy, homes and no place else to go. those said sometimes when family slips away, they can find another family to share the thanksgiving holiday with. >> without them, i don't know where i'd be in my mind. i lost my cancer. i lost two sisters. then i lost my brother-in-law just last month. so kind of struggling a little bit. >> reporter: in san francisco, christien kafton, ktvu fox 2 news. >>> new at 6:00 tonight, a real estate and restaurant tycoon from southern california has a special gift for paradise high school. the chico enterprise record reports bob wilson is giving every student and employee $1,000. that means all 980 students and 105 employees will soon be getting a check. bob wilson lives near san diego and he has never been to paradise. but he has been following the "camp fire" disaster on the news and says he just wanted to do
salvation army crews were prepping food this morning including the san francisco fire chief joanne hayes-white but this afternoon organizers at the african-american art and culture complex were serving means to make sure no one is hungry so they invited the needy, homes and no place else to go. those said sometimes when family slips away, they can find another family to share the thanksgiving holiday with. >> without them, i don't know where i'd be in my mind. i lost my cancer. i lost two...
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report from chief of department, joanne hayes-white, reports on happenings in the department since the last meeting, and report from operations, deputy chief mark gonzales, report on overall field operations including greater alarm fires, emergency medical services, bureau of fire prevention and investigation and airport division. and this is also a reminder, we need to be out of this room by 12:15. >> president cleaveland: so make it snappy. >> will do. thank you. message received. good morning, president cleaveland and commissioners. this is my report as the commission secretary said since our last meeting on october 24. first and foremost, i did want to say thank you, commissioner cleaveland for having a moment of silence at the top of the meeting for those that are suffering great losses from what's happening in northern california as well as southern california and including the tragedy of what happened in thousand oaks last week. not a natural disaster but man made terrorism. so i want to -- and i think you'll hear from cd-2 given the time we'll move things along, but really prou
report from chief of department, joanne hayes-white, reports on happenings in the department since the last meeting, and report from operations, deputy chief mark gonzales, report on overall field operations including greater alarm fires, emergency medical services, bureau of fire prevention and investigation and airport division. and this is also a reminder, we need to be out of this room by 12:15. >> president cleaveland: so make it snappy. >> will do. thank you. message received....
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hayes. it looks like this white house dn't even vet, they didn't realize that the guy speculated -- well, younow, maybe a recessed opponent -- appointing general could defund the mueller probe. so he describeed what perhaps he was actually about dng. robert: talking about sessions, a final note on his legacy. sessions, of course, got the president irritated because he recused himself fro the mueller probe overseing it. but oimmigration, he was right there. >> right. he pushed forward an agenda like you were saying just a second ago was all trump all theay. the zero tolerance at the border. he held the line when it came to criminal justing reforming people in his own party. anything thales the d.o.j. touched -- i mean, that didn't have anything to do with russia he was right there in lockstep. he had cover because democrats didn't want to touch him bause he was so important to keep in place in order to protect the line above mueller, otherwise, you would have seen a ground swell of opposition toward him. you would have seen much more vitriol out of jeff sessions. >> it's all about the mueller
hayes. it looks like this white house dn't even vet, they didn't realize that the guy speculated -- well, younow, maybe a recessed opponent -- appointing general could defund the mueller probe. so he describeed what perhaps he was actually about dng. robert: talking about sessions, a final note on his legacy. sessions, of course, got the president irritated because he recused himself fro the mueller probe overseing it. but oimmigration, he was right there. >> right. he pushed forward an...
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white house and liked to wear very low-cut dresses and bear arms. and she was the women's christian temperance union which had really been fans of lucy hayes and donated the portrait to the white house because she only served water and soft drinks and andy know they went after misses cleveland and petitioned her and said she was sending an immoral example for the young women of the country. misses cleveland just kept went and looking at what else is going on the technology. finally photographs cannot be reproduced in magazines on the finer linen paper. it is a very fuzzy image but it is the first known photograph of her in a newspaper. simultaneous to that are -- you start to see misses mckinley -- mrs. mckinley captured on film. the very first lady that is seen in the very early motion pictures. moving pictures as they called them. that really begins to affect and accelerate the public interest in what the first ladies are wearing. jumping ahead to the 1920s and the important benchmark of women gaining the right to vote and misses harding -- mrs. hardy ms. in the white house. she is one of the oldest women to become first lady but in spirit she captu
white house and liked to wear very low-cut dresses and bear arms. and she was the women's christian temperance union which had really been fans of lucy hayes and donated the portrait to the white house because she only served water and soft drinks and andy know they went after misses cleveland and petitioned her and said she was sending an immoral example for the young women of the country. misses cleveland just kept went and looking at what else is going on the technology. finally photographs...
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white house. and who liked to wear very low cut dresses and bare her arms. and she was -- the women's christian temperance union which has been fans of lucy hayes and donated her portrait to the white house where there is a water jug coming out because she only served water and soft drinks. and they went after mrs. cleveland and petitioned here and said she was setting an immoral example for the young women of the country. and mrs. cleveland just kept wearing the low cut dresses. but you are again looking at what else is going on. the technology. finally photographs can now be reproduced in magazines on the finer linen paper and just a few years later in 1901 you see ida mckinley who succeeded mrs. cleveland very fuzzy image but it is the first known photograph of her in a newspaper. simultaneous to that are -- you start to see the -- mrs. mckinley captured on film. she's the very first first lady who is seen in the very early motion pictures, moving pictures as they called them. and that really begins to effect and accelerate the public interest in what first ladies are wearing. jumping ahead a little bit then you come say to the 1920s and the import and benc
white house. and who liked to wear very low cut dresses and bare her arms. and she was -- the women's christian temperance union which has been fans of lucy hayes and donated her portrait to the white house where there is a water jug coming out because she only served water and soft drinks. and they went after mrs. cleveland and petitioned here and said she was setting an immoral example for the young women of the country. and mrs. cleveland just kept wearing the low cut dresses. but you are...
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if you look at the stadium, you can see the hayes and it is whited out towards the back.we definitely smell it and unless the air quality in santa clara reaches an index of 200, the 49ers game will go on as scheduled. much of the bay area still sits in the red zone. in oakland, the index is above 180 in some areas. experts say anything between 150 and 200 can affect healthy people. the recommendation is to produce prolonged or heavy exertion outdoors. tonight 49ers "a" game still stadium was extra options for both teams on the sidelines. the air-quality level would have to get significantly worse before any talk of changing the kickoff time or moving the game. yesterday after the raiders game, lots of fans wore masks, sitting at the coliseum. the team addressed their decision to play despite poor air quality.>> yes you feel it, but we can play a football game. people are losing family members and houses and we are playing a football game. i think we are all right.>> a lot of us have friends and relatives, and family, and loved ones going through a lot. and i would say mor
if you look at the stadium, you can see the hayes and it is whited out towards the back.we definitely smell it and unless the air quality in santa clara reaches an index of 200, the 49ers game will go on as scheduled. much of the bay area still sits in the red zone. in oakland, the index is above 180 in some areas. experts say anything between 150 and 200 can affect healthy people. the recommendation is to produce prolonged or heavy exertion outdoors. tonight 49ers "a" game still...
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but the scars from the jaws of that great white are still there, a constant reminder of what he survived. keane webre hayesttack victim:"i dived down, i don't get lobsters sadly, and i come back up, i just feel something tackles me and just keeps me there, pushes me and it shakes me a little bit and i see my body, my wetsuit has been ripped, blood is starting to go into the waters, so i just started screaming fro help, 'shark, help' while i was coming to a kayak."he still doesn't know how he managed to swim 70 yards to a kayak with a broken, torn up shoulder. maybe it was instinct, maybe it was his will to survive. "i wasn't really trying to think about am i gonna die, i was just trying to survive at the moment, i want to get to kayak, i want to get to shore, i wasn't really to scared." that moment for his mother still haunts her, still feels like a nightmare. ellie hayes, victim's mother:"i was on the cliff, i heard the screams, and they were life- threatening screams and since the accidents, most nights when i close my eyes i hear those screams and that is something no mom ever wants to hear."keane despe
but the scars from the jaws of that great white are still there, a constant reminder of what he survived. keane webre hayesttack victim:"i dived down, i don't get lobsters sadly, and i come back up, i just feel something tackles me and just keeps me there, pushes me and it shakes me a little bit and i see my body, my wetsuit has been ripped, blood is starting to go into the waters, so i just started screaming fro help, 'shark, help' while i was coming to a kayak."he still doesn't know...
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remind there was a different vision coming from the white house, with the future of america, it's something that used to come from the presidency. trump hayes just eliminated it. so it will be interesting to see which vision prevails. >> that one you are referencing, when i was watching katy on your show, there was such a strong racist divide there, that she was echoing those sentiments. it was rather shocking, i have to say. >> it still exists. we had myrlie eggers on this, john lewis is following the abrams campaign around. this is a replay of the 1950s and '60s. those rachelle codes are still here. unfortunately they haven't gone away and those people still vote. >> part of that may be a bit of this. the president just a week after the explosive devices, were sent to prominent democratic leaders, also to cnn, the president was blaming reporters for creating violence. take a listen to what he said . >> no, no, you're creating violence by your questions. you are creating. >> reporter: me? >> you. also a lot of the reporters say they're creating violence by not writing the truth. the fake news is creating violence. >> heidi, is this message
remind there was a different vision coming from the white house, with the future of america, it's something that used to come from the presidency. trump hayes just eliminated it. so it will be interesting to see which vision prevails. >> that one you are referencing, when i was watching katy on your show, there was such a strong racist divide there, that she was echoing those sentiments. it was rather shocking, i have to say. >> it still exists. we had myrlie eggers on this, john...
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white house. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. >>> tonight on "all in." >> they're even taking our brave troops away from their families for a political stunt at the border. >> four days out the big finish has begun. >> don't fall for the okeydoke. don't be bamboozled. >> tonight, where the vote stands with charlie cook. >>> plus, as his former lawyer warns of untold racism new evidence the trump campaign of fear could backfire. >> you're creating violence by your questions. >> then new white house fears of trump cabinet corruption. >> i didn't have anybody in my administration get indicted. >> steve king's last-minute ad buy. >> stop it. >> and why women are poised to make history. >> this is the most enthusiasm i have ever seen. >> with gloria stein am, robin morgan and jane fonda. >> you stay in the fight. >> when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. just four days away from election day. today brought into sharp relief the choice between the two major political coalitions in
white house. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. >>> tonight on "all in." >> they're even taking our brave troops away from their families for a political stunt at the border. >> four days out the big finish has begun. >> don't fall for the okeydoke. don't be bamboozled. >> tonight, where the vote stands with charlie cook. >>> plus, as his former lawyer warns...
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white house. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayese even taking our brave troops away from their families for a political stunt at the border. >> four days out the big finish has begun. >> don't fall for the okeydoke. don't be bamboozled. >> tonight, where the vote stands with charlie cook. >>> plus, as his former lawyer warns of untold racism new evidence the trump campaign of fear could backfire. >> you're creating violence by your questions. >> then new white house fears of trump cabinet corruption. >> i didn't have anybody in my administration get indicted. >> steve king's last-minute ad buy. >> stop it. >> and why women are poised
white house. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayese even taking our brave troops away from their families for a political stunt at the border. >> four days out the big finish has begun. >> don't fall for the okeydoke. don't be bamboozled. >> tonight, where the vote stands with charlie cook. >>> plus, as his former lawyer warns of untold racism new evidence the trump campaign of fear could backfire....
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hayes. >> i'm diving and i heard a primal scream like you've never heard a scream before in your life. >> reporter: evers looking for lobsters when out of the blue an 11-foot long great whitend attacks. keane ripping himself from the predator's jaws, struggling to the safety of a nearby kayak. video captured the intense moments rescuers dragged him to shore strapped to a kayak and bleeding badly. keane clinging to life. >> lucky we got him out of the water because i looked back and a shark was behind the kayak. >> reporter: a helicopter airlifting him to a nearby hospital where he underwent five hours of surgery. doctors using roughly a thousand stitches to repair the damage to his body. now, keane was diving for lobsters in water that was about nine feet deep which may seem shallow but not uncommon at all to see sharks in that depth. not uncommon, michael, but i'm still sure it's very shocking for keane. >> yeah, very shocking for keane and we're joined now by keane and his mother ellie, they're here for their first live interview. >> thanks for having us. >> keane, so happy to see you. you're an incredible and strong young man. you lost half the blood in your body. you w
hayes. >> i'm diving and i heard a primal scream like you've never heard a scream before in your life. >> reporter: evers looking for lobsters when out of the blue an 11-foot long great whitend attacks. keane ripping himself from the predator's jaws, struggling to the safety of a nearby kayak. video captured the intense moments rescuers dragged him to shore strapped to a kayak and bleeding badly. keane clinging to life. >> lucky we got him out of the water because i looked...