i am learning hebrew because it could help us in our daily life. for almost seven years, the gaza strip has been under an israeli siege. most palestinians are not allowed into israel, so they cannot even practice speaking hebrew, that they can read it, and watch and listen to israeli television and radio. many older palestinian men who used to work in israel before the siege know about israeli society and can speak hebrew. now, the next generation is learning, too. generation is also learning to get a better understanding of their neighbors culture and religion. their teacher studied in israel in the years before gaza was sealed off. >> hebrew is a language like arabic. i would like to improve studies in gaza and establish my own research center. asked the government of hamas is behind the push for hebrew across the strip, even offering night classes to members. >> we live close to the border and the enemy enters a lot here at the young people used to hear israeli soldier speaking in hebrew, and in the future they want to know what they are talking

that was his great affection for the hebrew university also. he wanted a place for jews to be professors. hebrew university is the center piece for his love of palestine as a place for them to find cultural refuge. >> you know he really disliked nationalism. >> yes. >> and that's what he felt israel might develop into. >> he said it quite explicitly. he said it as late as 1946, before the aglo american committee into the state of palestine. this is the committee in which richard crossman was in witcha. the idea a state is hateful to me. two years bere the founding of the state of israel. >> when whitesman died, who offered the presidency to einstein? >> bangurian. wouldn't that have been a disaster. >> there's the famous joke that he said, what do we do if he accepts? but because they considered him to be the greatest jew of the 20th century, they had no choice but to offer it to him. there was no danger he would have accepted. >> let's inquire about whether the world hasn't produced another einstein in the past hundred years. why is it only al

in his wildest dreams that it would turn into a corn that cope yaof endorsements. >> do you think hebrewversity in jerusalem is >> i thk they are, shall i say, capitalizing on it. i einstein's image to be ing commercialized?@ >>pparently, they ha the right to do it if they want to. >> you think they have it in the light of what einstein himself said about the corruptionnvold, the commercial endorsements? specify, i think that they cannot do this, and i don't think he foresaw that ey would actually do this and fire an agencyto sell his image. >> is there any harm done by the marketing of einstein's image? >> i@think that einsin is untouchable in e sense at his true commit -- true acevements both in physics and in the political sphere are safe from this kind of comearblization. in a wa9, he towers so far above the commercialization tha$ i dot ink that it -- >> is itlike the branding of any corporate image that's hammered into the american psyche in this particular instance that popular culture takes over and soon the image replaces the reality behind it. >> that's probably true. >> is that

since the early twentieth century and they have this crazy idea that the modern jews are not the hebrews of the bible but are a later group called up cause are those who converted to judaism and that in fact the hebrews of the bible are today's blue-eyed blond christians so they take you know the bible and they take history and completely inverted it for their own purposes and they believe that there is a coming race war that these phony jews are going to be leading their black minions against the true hebrews the white blonde blue eyed christians of today am in me is there anything you can do about those people and some like nuts to me. i think there are a couple of things actually i mean on one hand on the negative and there's law enforcement and a certain and sort of neighborhood activity on the other hand i would actually say that we need to improve our education system i'll tell you why. the kind of thinking that leads to the conspiratorial sort of rigid manichean thinking that alan is referring to can be can be untrained i mean you need to be trained to be critical thinking critica

>> phil will he be you -- hebrew and a little yiddish. but she is like no fun. she is like miss sourpuss the whole time because she has never recovered from the death of her eldest sun. and the wildness that is us just seems like a violation of all the progress of her, sort of, aristocratic russian upbringing. .. >> he makes his way. he is in the army during the end of world war i, never leaves the country but is a boxing champion in texas. has a number of laboring jobs, the works at bargain hammer, a butcher, a steelworker, a dedicated democrat a head union organizer. he was of graf very, very earthy guy and a we were all beloved of him. he is a huge amount of fun but also very tough so things he used to take us into bakeries. he knew everyone because he was in the food business. i remember vividly, he walked by the bagels and he sticks his hand in and grabs three bagels and tosses them back to us. they were burning hot and eventually he sold his business 1970 and sold the house and sold the car and packed it up to say we are moving to israel. one problem, he d

now that we are at war with israel, i'm studying hebrew. we should learn to communicate with enemies. i met.the first iraq hi we got into baghdad and we met a woman. black womenlove poets. who is your favorite? she started telling me hers. it is an educated country with wonderful people. >> how many on that first trip? >> 12. >> coupÉ? -- who paid? .> everyone paid for them self we had people from the jewish community. everyone pays their own expenses on the entire trip. >> where did you get the name " codepink" and why? >> we were on a treat and -- on a retreat and we took a break. we were joking about yellow lines and red. we do not know what we were supposed to do if the alert change from one to another. without we need another code alert. that is how we came up with it. >> these hearing rooms, they see with pink. what did they say to you when you come into the room? and theyards see us speak into their walkie-talkies , codepink is here. it is kind of silly, but they know us and that we are committed to peace. building thing they do is m

there is no hebrew fate. it implies the semitism. they asked what he had to say about that. he had to say i have never read the covenant. somebody smart dug up metzenbaum's the mentor and that phrase had been there since the 1920's and 1930's and had been struck down by the court and had no validity and that ended that argument. my point is that they were going after rehnquist no matter what. he asked how many votes to be against me this time and i said probably 38. he said that many? i said yes, but we will be all right so come down. 36t: the first time he got votes and 23 against. what was he like up close and how did you learn to tell people to pipe down? guest: it was difficult. the first thing that happens when you get a supreme court or nominee.- you have to bring him back to earth for that hearing. rehnquist was a casual guy who sat back in his hair and shuffled a little bit. he was just a normal, brilliant, a lawyer. he read cases. he was at justice and he read the cases. when the selection process was being made when he was an associate attorney general over there -

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there was a phrase that said this house shall not be resold to anyone of the hebrew faith. there is no hebrew faith. anti-similartism. jewish faith. what do you have to say about that? rehnquist says i have never read my covenant. so somebody on our side dug up the senator's covenant. and sure enough this phrase had been struck down by the courts anded the no validity so that ended that argument. my point is they were going after rehnquist no matter what. he said how many votes are going to be against me this time. i said probably 36 or 38. that many? >> i said yes but we're going to be all right. first time he lost 26 then the second time 65-33. >> right. >> what was he like up close and how did you learn to tell people to pipe down? >> it was difficult. the first thing that happened when you get a supreme court nominee or any nominee, he is ewe forrick, the president of the united states has asked me to be fill in the blank. you got to bring them back to earth especially for the hearing. rehnquist was a castle guy which he wore hutch puppies and sat back in his chair whic

no hebrew it implies jewish faith what do you have to say about that. rehnquist said i've never read my covenant. somebody smart dug up the senator's covenant and sure enough this phrase had been struck down by the courts and had no validity so that ended that argument. my point is they were going after rehnquist no matter what. he said to me how many votes are going to be against me this time. and i said probably 36 or 38 and he said that many? i said yes but we're going to be all right. >> he got 65 to 33 the second time. >> right. >> what was he like up close and how did you learn how to tell people to pipe down. >> it was difficult. the first thing that happens when you get a supreme court nominee or any nominee. he is euphoric the president of the united states has asked me to be fill in the blank. and you've got to bring them back to earth, especially for the hearing which rehnquist was a casual guy. he wore hush puppies and sat back in his chair. he shuffled a little bit. he was just a normal brilliant lawyer that read cases. he was over at justi

i taught myself hebrew, biblical hebrew.ing busy. >> yeah. >> though collins seemed interested in more peaceful pursuits, he also let us know he was staying sharp should there be any trouble in the future. >> every now and then when i would talk to brian collins he would talk about his martial arts he crafted over the time of him being incarcerated, and on certain occasions he would just break out into these weird moves that, you know, he said were a hybrid style that he kind of created and came up with. >> a few days later collins had another check-in with dr. matias and he had already set a new goal. he wanted to transfer to general population where he would have even more freedom. >> population. >> population. why you do that? >> well, in the time i've known you you've either been in lockup or here. and so the idea of you running around population doing your thing, working a job, hanging out with your friends -- >> it's kind of a big step for me. >> it's kind of like mind-boggling. if you ran into a guy you had some confl

the chief of staff saying in hebrew, he would then walk and explain in hebrew what the president was getting that. sharon, by the way, in these conversations, there was one thing that happened -- don't kill yasser arafat. do not kill him. you have my word, let's shake on it. in the meeting they had in early 2005 after yasser arafat's death, the president was asking about the post arafat palestinians, thank you for not killing us. sharon replied sometimes god helps. we fought after the withdrawal from gaza, june of 2003 the way forward, after the call from gaza there was a way forward, we said to the palestinians, show the world, show the israelis when a palestinian state will be like and it did not work out as successfully as we hoped. but we fought -- sharthought -- mind pulling back from the isolated settlement but keeping the jordan river, but as you recall, withdrawal from gaza is the end of 2005, and his second stroke went into the cola where he still finds himself. let me just step back. there was a great plan with sharon. sometimes god doesn't help. now what? i wondered the sa

one of the biggest questions i get is my kid, we don't go to services, don't know hebrew, don't knowongs, and will my kid fit in? my overwhelming response is yes. we have a base plan. when i started working there, the welcoming community is striking, accepting all kids from all backgrounds, all nationalities into our community. what we see in jewish identity formation is really an amazing transformation of people who find themselves at camp and become their best selves at camp. each friday night during our service, we do a priestly benediction, blessing of our campers n jewish homes across the world on friday night, parents bless their children. we adapt that and our coselors you look out at the congregation, see this sea of blessings over the kids. the counselors bless their children. after one of these -- the first one of the summer, a counselor came up to us and said how powerful that moment was for him, that his entire life as a camper, he experienced it from the other end. but then to stand up and bless his own campers was an amazing experience for him and was really transformat

so i -- chris: that's like the hebrew national tv commercial. i answer to a higher authority. >> and he -- i think to a certain extent he did answer it that way. if in your mind you track this and i was able to track it almost day by day and hour by hour in the decision-making process going to war, i think he thought it would be a liberator. i think he thought he was going in and take down those statues of saddam and they're going to actually erect statues of me. chris: anyone else understand the religious piece? >> there was always a sense he was on something -- i don't want to go too far -- of a sacred mission, particularly the freedom agenda. he gave many speeches about this. freedom was given by god and that in to some extent he seemed like he was jahr carrying it out. there were other people who saw that and said let's caboose our agenda on to it. let's make them at least whole and free or something. but it was -- it was a mixture of agendas. but he's the one who spoke more publicly about it. >> that's why i think the religion -- i don't th

survivors now have more than 125 children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren, reminding us of a hebrewch means "more life." their reward when they came out of the darkness. terry moran, abc news, new york. >> "no place on earth" was written and directed by the gifted janice tobias, once and always part of our abc family. "no place on earth" opens this weekend. we thank you for watching. we're also there for you at abcnews.com. and "nightline" later at its new time of 12:35 eastern, and as we say goodnight, a reminder. this day marks 45 years since the assassination of martin luther king jr, so we leave you with a live picture of his memorial in washington, d.c. tonight. goodnight. >>> only on abc 7 news cruel knock knock joke being played on bay area homeowners and you can be the next victim if you don't answer the door. >> police investigate a robbery in this restaurant. how they wound up shooting a teenager. >> tonight the rescue of a lost hiker in southern california. the signal she sent that may have saved her life. >> the president's parting shots and the environment as he conclud

that is a look at it but about the nature of the events i wish you would have visited for instance hebrew and to see by his own eyes graphically the system of segregation that israel has created what i wish he would have gone to a palestinian university and met with palestinian students that are not selected specifically to meet with him and yet maybe being too critical on president obama i mean he did come to an ally he did meet with the palestinian leadership and prior to his visit the white house didn't present the trip as if he was going to make any big announcements the expectation was you know perhaps we're being too critical on him i don't think so the question is would he have visited them a lot if he was not visiting israel. and we're not saying that it's bad that he visited them a lot of good he's the president of one of the most powerful countries in the world and it's good that he's visiting the question is what is coming out of this visit and the bigger question is why the continuation of this passive american approach this passivity passiveness at a time when the whole. the

now that we are at war with israel, i'm studying hebrew.icate with enemies. at was the first iraqi i met. we got into baghdad and we met a woman. she said, i love black women poets. who is your favorite? she started telling me hers. it is an educated country with wonderful people. >> how many on that first trip? >> 12. >> who paid? >> everyone paid for themself. we had people from the jewish community. everyone pays their own expenses on the entire trip. >> where did you get the name "codepink" and why? >> we were on a retreat and we took a break. we were joking about yellow lines and red. we do not know what we were supposed to do if the alert change from one to another. without we need another code alert. that is how we came up with it. >> these hearing rooms, they see with pink. what did they say to you when you come into the room? >> the guards see us and they speak into their walkie-talkies, codepink is here. it is kind of silly, but they know us and that we are committed to peace. the thing we do is maybe hold up a little sign. they t

think they translated it from this to this to this to this, but i find out it's translated from the hebrew to english or from the greek to english or from the arabic to english. it doesn't lose anything any more than translations of our day and time would not be, you know, trustworthy. we have communiquÉs between nations- they don't have a big problem with that; they know what they're talking about. and so the god who inspired the bible to be written we believe also preserved the bible for you and me today, and we can trust what god says in his word. it's fundamental to believe the bible's the word of god. it's fundamental to believe in the deity of the lord jesus christ, that he was truly virgin born. if he had not been, he would be a man like you or me, and have his own sin to have to deal with, so he had to be sinless, and the only way god could bring a sinless savior into the world would be through the virgin birth. joseph was not his father- god was. and we believe that he died an atoning death after living a perfect life. i can't live a perfect life, but he can and did, and he marche

much beyond that he did not and you would get convoluted sentences the then they would explain in hebrew what he was getting at but chevron -- sharon by the way there was one thing that happened in 2004 when the prime minister sharon do not kill arafat. don't do it. don't kill him. and sharon would never say okay you have my word. let's sheik. he would blush. [laughter] but in the meeting early 2005 after arafat's death at the bush ranch in texas president was asking about arafat and the palestinians and he said by the way thank you for not killing him and he said sometimes god helps. [laughter] we thought after the withdrawal from gaza there was a way for word in greece said this is your chance to show the world and the israelis with a palestinian state would we like. that did not work out as successful as we hoped but we thought and most thought sharon had in mind, going back to defense to the west bank at of the more isolated settlements to keep the jordan valley and jordan river but, as you recall the end of summer 2005 he had the first joke than the second stroke he went into the. o

it's actually the hebrew word for cyrus, and cyrus is this persian king who, in the bible, is actuallyhe messiah has to be a descendant of king david. >> during this time, koresh announces he's entitled to more than one wife within the group. soon he has four. including david bund's 17-year-old sister, robin. >> he talked about the house of david, how he's supposed to have all these wives. so the idea was, you know, this appears to be of god. and it technically was illegal. but when you're in a cult and you've got -- answering to a higher power, you don't worry about the law so much sometimes. >> koresh learns that his former mentor, lois roden, is dead. and her son, george, is in a state psychiatric hospital. with the property up for grabs, he takes back mt. carmel and continues to recruit around the world. >> he drew people from england, australia and from the west indies as well as americans. it was a multiracial and multiethnic setting. >> why did you come here? >> because i heard there was something here that i wanted to listen to. >> what do you think of david? >> i think he's gr

i've been in courts with farsc, hebrew, english, french.tural aspect is irrelevant, but if the interpreter is not competent, that's mixes apples and oranges. lou: sounds like the judge is incompetent. what duke? >> it's blown out. what it means is he doesn't understand what's going on like we said. all you have is give him an interpreter, give him somebody to sit with him, to speak his language, to explain to him what's going op in the process to help defend himself, and there you go, rehabilitated, and we can have the trial. lou: the judge, though, is insistent on the unique cultural disadvantage, and at the same time, the prosecutors face something of a disadvantage. i know in court, they are referred to as the defendants' disadvantage, but a passenger in his pickup truck, a -- who had been detained by the immigration and customs enforcement because they suspected he was here illegally, they put a bracelet op as -- on his ankle, i guess, so he cut it and left the united states. >> i was going to mention that. what's been described as an i

quote, the hebrews have done to civilized man than any other nation, quote. martin van buren, he was actively involved in saving jews from being massacred in syria. the ordeal began in 1840, when an italian servant reported missing. somebody suggested they be murdered. although there was no suspect, the cry went up, the jews did it. the government then arrested and im-- imprisoned most of the male jewish population in damascus, all the cities rabbis, jewish grave diggers, and even young jewish schoolboys. they then began to torture the rabbis, forcing their wives and daughters to watch. excuse me. but the they killed them all and maimed them for life. when americans jews told van buren about the ongoing massacre, he went in to action. he, together with british and european leaders, pressured syria to stop the massacre and to free the surviving prisoners. for syrian government eventually admitted they had no absolutely no evidence against the jews, incidentally the murders of the priests and servant, if in fact they were murders, were never solved. fortunately

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what they did is they took clay and, like the hebrews in ancient egypt, put grass in the clay and then plastered it on the sticks which were the wall of the house. it's very much the same system the indians up in the country have today. we'll get the shape of the house from the post holes, so, we'll know a lot about this very simple first kind of housing in a permanent village. keach: the cobblestone floors macneish discovered would have been the foundations for small mud and thatch houses, like these. a settlement like this marks a dramatic turning point when early farmers begin to abandon their nomadic way of life for a settled one. so, ajalpan, in fact, is what mao zedong would call the first great leap forward from when people were food collectors to when people were food producers. and once you're food producers, why the sky's the limit in terms of moving on to civilization. but this step has to happen before you can go on. keach: with the advent of agriculture different societies all over mesoamerica began to evolve cultures of enormous complexity. on the western border of what i

but it has ultimate origins in the hebrew bible in judy is on and that is a fundamental distinction between the priest and the king. also the notion that the morrill wall that god gives stands above any nation in the judges said including israel. now that's important. morality is made by law. you also have no dividing of any human being allowed. that is the key. why? because you go to any pagen area, the faeroe, the roman cesar come alexander the great. you have a fusion of religious and political power. that is the normal situation, the fusion. caesar was the chief priest and the emperor considered divine. they stood right in and they make it more intense. jesus up the morrill antito make the case for the radical monogamy, it doesn't allow for the divorce and christianity, no pity and a lifelong union of male and female, no divorce except under very particular circumstances. so the church was the overseer of this new morality. and when jesus said my kingdom is not of this world, then he made the split complete because that meant the king in the temporal rule within to be kept distinct from

reminding us of a hebrew blessing which means more life, their reward when they came out of the darkness. terry moran, abc news, new york. >> amazing -- how amazing does that documentary look? >> there aren't a whole lot of wonderful survival stories to be able to tell. to tell it and have people alive to tell the story. even in their old age to go back. the fact that he felt comfortable in the complete darkness more so than when the lights were on. >> captivating personalities the two brothers. the family hold the world record for surviving underground, one year, 146 days. >> absolutely. we do want to say this, "no place on earth" written and directed by the gifted janet tobias, once and always part of the abc family. opens this weekend. definitely want to catch it. something worth watching. >>> coming up, when mark zuckerberg takes the stage, people listen. >>> will you buy the new facebook phone? after you see why it is so different. you will have a better idea of what you will do. that's coming up next. >> announcer: "world news no >> you don't think something you are watching on tv

owning caterpillar is like eating a whole box of slim jims and then following it up with a little hebrew national dessert. you could fuel a liquefied natural gas powered eighteen wheeler with the effluvium from that meal. effluvium. okay. this is not the way portfolio managers with a long-term horizon think. sure, conagra has momentum and earnings projections are going in the right direction. the owners for caterpillar probably have to come down a lot. that's right. the estimates are too high for these guys given the weakness. and just as i expect many analysts to reiterate their buys of this guy tomorrow, i expect more downgrades and number crunches to come for caterpillar. so why would anyone possibly choose this stock over this one? simple. because of the size of the opportunity that's out there. do you know the last time cat got downgraded endlessly was back in 2011? when everyone was worried sick about the debt ceiling and possible government shutdown. the stock plunged from 115 to 69. 115 to 69. it was a horrendous no-parachute decline and you missed it! but caterpillar almost imme

i was raised in a religious jew, wrote two books on judaism, journalist, and we -- the hebrew root for torah, teacher, and parent is the same. that's how holy the teaching role is in my tradition. the left has sullied the word "teacher," and i never thought it possible. it's like the purist word you have. what the teachers' unions have done to teaching in the public schools and what they -- what the left has done, and i call them left wing seminaries, they are there to reduce committed christians, the universities produces committed leftists, and they succeed. that's the reason for election results, biggest reason for shift in american values, and you don't hear these ideas at an american campus, not here at usc, i'm not picking on usc, but it doesn't matter where we'd be. there are fine teachers in every university, no question, but overwhelmingly, it is an indoctrination. bill mar, a man of the left, just had a guy from the e.u -- you see a san bernardino that if there was a show mocking islam like it mocks mormonism, do you think they would have put it op and would have been violenc

and friends who surround them, we turn to these words taken from psalm 147, verse 3 -- [speaking in hebrew brokenhearted, and binder of their wounds, grant consolation to those who mourn and healing to all those who suffered loss and pain. endow them with strength and courage and restored to them and to all of us who grieve with them the sense of life plus goodness and purpose. fill their hearts and hours reverence and with love that we might turn to you again with hearts restored to wholeness and committed to the re-creation of well-being and peace. >> god heals the brokenhearted. we will now hear a reflection from the chair of the new england interfaith council and the civil rights outreach director of the american islamic conference. >> in the name of god, the most compassionate and most merciful, mr. president, governor patrick, mayor menino, and citizens, we are gathered together to mourn the loss of life in a criminal attack on our community. what happened on monday has shocked and horrified us, but it has also brought us together. i ask you to share the message of my community's cul

but it has its ultimate origins in the hebrew bible request judaism and that fundamental distinction between the priest and the king. also, the notion that the moral law god gives stands above any particular nation and judges it, including israel. that's important. morality isn't made by the law, the laws must conform to morality. you've also have no dividization of any human being allowed among the jews. that's key because you go to any pagan, the -- king considered to be a god and chief priest so you have a fusion of religion and political power. that's the normal situation for most of human history. a fusion. united in one man. cesar was the chief priest and the emperor and also considered divine. christianity steps right in, following judaism, and makes it more intense. and one of the reasons it's made more intense is jesus ups the moral ante, making the case for what i call radical monogamy. judaism allowed for divorce, christianity, no. no doctors exceptor in particular circumstances. so the church was the overseer of this knew moriality, and when jesus said, my kingdom is not

from hebrews 1:14, it's not what people do, it's the deeds they leave undone that gives us all remorse at the setting of the sun. >> butterfield, who frequently wrote songs and poems to his daughter, says he kept her body in the belief that a miracle would raise her from the dead. >> some people have never seen a miracle. i personally have. i'm not going to just get rid of my daughter. even if there's a chance in a million, one in 10 million that a miracle could happen, you take it. why not? >> usually, though, butterfield was more interested in getting to know us than he was in discussing his case. >> i'm excited to see you guys. isn't that something? >> he made some assumptions about my life in particular. at one point he offered to play trombone at my wedding. >> i played trombone for 47 years. amazing grace. >> he certainly assumed that i was to be married soon and that he would be available to play the trombone. >> if you need a trombone player at the wedding, you know, okay. >> with his murder trial rapidly approaching, butterfield often expressed more concern over matters like t

i don't know any hebrew. if you look at a gallup poll from 2012, 96% of people would vote for a black president. 95% would vote for a woman. 48% of people would vote for an atheist. there is no reason it should influence state -- any kind of governmental decision. i think it is pretty clear in our government records. >> john: i want to say i'm not an atheist but i believe in them. paul? >> i actually just, based on the letter i got yesterday from my church which says if you vote for the candidate in favor of gay marriage, you will burn in hell, i'm going to say there is no separation of church and state. [ laughter ] >> john: that's great. okay, well i ask this because kansas senator sam brownback just signed an abortion bill that's one of the most restrictive in the nation blocking tax breaks for abortion providers and defines life as beginning at the moment of conception. which means the drinking age in kansas should technically by 20 years, three months. but these photos of brownback's copy of his bill are

that was the ex-extent of reading material there plus a bible in hebrew, you know. >> brown: when it came to... there you were teaching american literature and you had to teach yourself in some ways? >> i was a prisoner of the library. i just spent hours sitting on the... in the stacks on a lighted floor which gave up some heat in the main branch of the carnegie library in pittsburgh just reading, reading, and reading. after i graduated from college and i did with highest honors i was really a bright student, i wasn't a major in english. i majored in political science. i was going to be a lawyer. my dad, my poor da said, well, what are you going to do? i was offered all kinds of scholarships. i said i'm going to take off a year and read. that became ten years. i lived in paris, new york and all that stuff. >> brown: then a life of reading and a life of writing. >> yeah. brown: just bring us up in our last minute here like bring us up to date. i mean, where are you now as a writer, as a poet? >> in 2012 i had two books published. this book called "in beauty bright" which is a book of

but it has its origin in the hebrew bible in judaism and that fundamental distinction between the priest and the king. also the notion that the moral law god gives stands above any particular nation and judges it, including israel. that's important, you know? moralities are made by the law, the laws must conform to morality. you also have no divination of any human being allowed among the jews. that's key. why? because you go to any pagan area -- the pharoah, right? the caesar, alexander the great in greece, you have a divination of the king. they're considered to be god, also chief priests, so you have an infusion of political power. united in one man. caesar was both the chief priest and the emperor but also considered define. christianity steps right in following judaism and makes it more intense. and one of the reasons it's made more intense is jesus ups the moral ante. making the case for what i call radical monogamy. judaism allowed polygamy, judaism allowed for divorce, and christianity, no. lifelong union of male and female, no divorce except under very particular circumstances.

maybe it is because i am a member of the ancient hebrew tribes. i am a person of a book. i have been on this trough for really long time. >> thanks. [laughter] >> so, david, there is a great remark about your work from sebastian youngbear is says that he refused to judge or to gloss anything over. but i wonder if more problems, for you tonight because your dealing with really kind of horrific and violent acts in trying to do so artfully. >> that is actually, you know, this gets at the heart of, you know, putting violence on the page. it was something that i really struggled with in this book. i had written fiction previously and this -- and in one of those novels i have actually, you know, included a scene or a couple of scenes of extreme violence, but it was really, you know, very artificial. was almost in the spirit of quentin tarantino, is over the top baroque of violence. and, you know, that service certain artistic purpose. then suddenly, you know, came confronting the real thing. looking at it in real life and try to put it on the page. and it is a very, very striki