he had great advisors like linen garment, henry kissinger, arthur burns who were jewish, but in privateinst his enemies who were jewish, he could be very ugly. i think this was sort of a blanket statement. holdeman had his own biases, but nixon wanted a protestant, mainstream, white american. brian: i found the last 120 pages where there were source notes, not a part of the narrative in your book, some of the most interesting stuff. anybody watching, usually people that are older, they are going to know who richard nixon wasn't -- nixon was and all that you i'm not to go into the details. that's why i am focusing on this. with that in mind, i want you to hear something that you know about from one of the tapes. first of all, did holdeman know that richard nixon had a taping system? holdeman and president nixon talking in the white house in 1971. >> [indiscernible] john: both of them knew they were on tape. what in the world are they talking about? brian: both of them knew they were on tape. it would take far too much intellectual concentration and effort to talk all the time for the tap

then henry kissinger, who has this brilliant analytical mind and is a wonderful writer, put together three volumes of memoirs almost immediately after he left government service. they are just magical sources. you could go back to them time and time again. brian: what book is this for you? john: the third. brian: the first two were about? i did a biography of speaker tip o'neill and i did a biography of clearance darrell. i grew up in huntington, new york. i worked for the denver post twice, each time five years stints. i came back and worked for the denver post in washington. brian: how long have you not worked for a newspaper? john: since about 2003. the buyouts began and the newspaper industry began to crater. i decided that i would try to do this full-time. brian: you make a particular point of the importance of the following comment that richard nixon made in the david frost-nixon interviews in 1977. this is only 25 seconds. clip] >> i don't go with the idea that what brought me down was a conspiracy, etc. i brought myself down. i gave them a sword, and they stuck it in and twis

and yet henry kissinger, alan greenspan were jewish., if you were on his side, nixon was not as ugly. he reserved the real ugliness for the openers and the editors -- the owners and the editors of "the new york times" or the federal judges in new york who were jewish who ruled against him in the pentagon papers. but that, definitely, that ugliness was in there, and to his great dismay as somebody said the other day, he's looking up at us -- [laughter] the tapes are going to forever cloud history's verdict. what was the second part of the question? >> well, in the middle east -- >> yeah, the middle east. part of that was that this was great power politics. the russians were trying to use the israeli-egyptian war to increase their influence in the middle east. and is so he was alerted to this because he was a cold warrior, and this was all about the soviet union throughout his entire presidency. but on the other hand, he thought the israelis -- he liked them. he thought they were spupg key. the -- spupg key. the israelis sort of fit his i

question, that, this what about henry kissinger's role during this time period? what was he up to? i shy away from wrapping things up neatly. [laughter] steve: this question puts me on the spot. i cannot fully address it because there is no time and there are documents i found which give us a totally new understanding of henry kissinger's role in the negotiations, which i hope to make my next book. , henry speaking kissinger do not believe in c.o.r.d.s., the south vietnamese, did not believe we would win, and that colored his negotiations with hanoi. hanoi agreed naoi -- could leave their troops in vietnam. a 1972, they sent down every regular division they had. lla war.ot a guerri 90% of the people in south vietnam supported the government and thought they would win. nobody wanted the communists to win. the south vietnamese army holds with american air power. iraq in recent years. the south vietnamese stood up and fought. they had some brilliant officers, never covered by the american press. that is why i say c.o.r.d.s. won. people could mobilize, the south vietnamese government c

a jewish top foreign policy advisory and the incomparable henry kissinger. jewish chairman of the fed, arthur burns. what more do people want him to do? convert or be bar mitzvahed? it's incredible. yes, used a few country club cliches about jews in private talking to bob haldaman, but when it came to action, he was the very best friend to jewish people that they've ever had. he was above all else the savior of israel. when egypt and syria had -- invaded israel in the young gipper war, they were caught in their own flat-footedness and the anti-aircraft missile supplied by the soviets. those missiles in their radars nullified the usual enormous israeli air superiority. the egyptian and syrian seem to be about to take jerusalem. gold to my ear. gold to my ear. had already laid out suicide pills for her to take. richard nixon left israel's defense in a way no other president ever had acting with the brilliant help of dr. kissinger. he airlifted to israel the most up-to-date black box and rockets were jamming and destroying the soviet supplies radars. within hou

i think henry kissinger has taken jared kushner on as a project. hen real estate kissinger's age, the last project he may undertake to teach him about the way in which a great power like the united states maneuvers, especially in a period of adversity. we have to remember that kissinger came in at a time when the vietnam war had really enfeeb eled the united states, it was thought, similar time now, many would argue. and i think inadvicably, we don't read or hear about this, it seems that kissinger is giving advice to kushner and through him to the president. >> nick burns, is how-- how do you perceive the russians to be reacting. >> i think the russians are angry. and a little bit stunned. i mean charlie we all saw during the transition in the first month of the administration all those positive words from donald trump, the russians were thinking this could be a sea change in the relationship with the united states. there's tremendous disappointment about this in moscow. president putin kept secretary tillerson waiting a little bit, didn't get his

henry kissinger, most of what he did like it or not were not as a formal titled way.e had sweeping powers, but he was a security adviser and he was only the secretary of state -- >> can i sum it up? >> at the end. >> please. >> can i sum it up? >> yeah. >> blood is thicker than water. blood is thicker than water. you met with the president-elect in december, correct me if i'm wrong, and you said to him, be careful of these people around you, because they're for themselves but not that son-in-law and the daughter. >> exactly. they all came in with strong agendas and weren't necessarily his mission. blood is thicker than water as jfk said in explaining his appointment of his brother as toublgs attorney general. there are some conflicts and i believe they're on top of them. the courage he has to speak truth to power and jared and ivanka can tell him the truth in important ways, we have seen anybody who can restore the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, cia director and national security -- national director of intelligence back into the national security council is d

i was special assistant to henry kissinger, the national security advisor, and i was in charge of orchestratinggether the thick briefing books for the president, for his trip to china. my first impressions that beijing was that it was a very bleak, rather depressing place. it was very drab. everybody was dressed the same. very few cars. mostly bicycles. we arrived at the guesthouse and to our surprise, they announced that chairman mao would like to see president nixon right away. this was chairman mao acting like a traditional chinese emperor, not giving you any warning as to when you're going to be summoned to his presence. i have worked for many presidents, including several close—up. president nixon was by far the most well—versed and strategic in international relations. he was extraordinary. whatever his flaws, one has to grant him that. as a person, he was quite shy. he was always somewhat ill—at—ease and engaging in banter, or small talk. both sides had clear reasons for trying to reopen communications after 22 years of mutual enmity and indeed fighting each other in korea. when you meet

i'm struck by the way donald trump is doing what henry kissinger prided himself on doing, which is playingriangular relationship the , u.s., russia and china, playing off of the two superpower rivals, seeking advantage, leaning one way then the other. that's classic kissinger balance of power diplomacy and oddly enough, donald trump most inexperienced president in my lifetime, seems to be doing a little bit of that. charlie: and i think jared kushner is being schooled by him. you may know more about that than i do. there have been conversations as jared kushner realizes that he has not been in government and he reaches out to learn as much as he can. david: i have that same impression. jared kushner, 36 years old. young man, harvard grad but not much experience, certainly in foreign policy. i think henry kissinger has taken jared kushner on as a project. the last project he may undertake in trying to teach him about the way in which a great power like the united states maneuvers, especially during a period of adversity. kissinger came in at a time the vietnam war had really enfeebled the u

we got henry kissinger to write about him, who knows a thing or two about advising presidents.t creates a conversation among the influencers and it is in interesting experience to read. tim: ok. and you have live worldwide covers. how did you choose who they were going to be? >> we want to present the same . if you look at the people on the list, we have a musician, john legend, entertainers like viola davis, philanthropists like melinda gates. theoes to show how broad influencers are that we cover. tim: who is the most surprising person to make the cut, as far as you are concerned? >> one of the people who is a surprising is sandra day o'connor, former supreme court justice, no longer on the bench. and what is really interesting about her, is as justice sotomayor writes about in her blurb, she has become more influential outside the supreme court because she has decided to get into civic education, and she created a video-game nonprofit to teach students how to get involved in civic s education and it is one of the most widely adopted middle school curricula in the country. ti

this amazing transcript where kissinger comes in and they're talking about military strategic and diplomatic maneuvers and all of a sudden, nixon starts screaming at henry seigneur the press is the enemy, the press is the enemy, write that on your blackboard, the press is the enemy. it would erupt like that over and over again. >> kissinger ignored it. >> he didn't say that the press was the enemy of the american people which is a step higher. in nixon's case of line, nixon had a basic respect for the basic intelligence of people that his work cover lies. president trumps are such blatant lies. i've been wiretapped by brock obama. it's almost surrealistic. it's an insult that nixon would never have died and i give you an example. when they came back from china, someone had said, we want to preserve a set of the chopsticks for the nixon library and nixon says, grab any pair of topics. people will never know. he didn't have a basic reverence for truth either. >> i attended a talk a few years ago and it was a guy from nixon's administration and he said, there was a loyalty with an any administration that he was being sworn in he felt like he was swearing t

to china and everyone suggested he thinks the henry kissinger. i think he thought there was a good possibility. iran was the most important country in the persian gulf for a lot of reasons. lots of good reasons to try to see what was possible to achieve. how it got into trading arms for hostages is -- it comes down to reagan. reagan may have been told this is a strategic possibility and we should explore it. fromt support in that idea none other than george schultz and caspar weinberger, who years deniedrds to this day they ever thought this was any kind of a good idea. in fairness to them it was broached as a possible opening. both of those two senior cabinet officers essentially said it is ok by us. go ahead and pursue this. with certain caveats. in the summer of 85 reagan, in the hospital at this point having surgery, he meets with they discussed this idea over the course of a couple of weeks or so. then it is another story of how it goes from there. figure you one other have not mentioned. the director of central intelligence. malcolm: who is

and experts do present their vice how henry kissinger used to present his options with launch of vague thermonuclear war and in the democracy they are the servant not the master. we are here to serve the rest of society to make the people who are here smarter about those problems by worry that the left will say my answers are obvious put the right tools say science doesn't matter a damn behalf to stop violating but what we could take to argue with each other with those agreed upon rules and standards i talk a lot about confirmation bias which nobody seems to understand they say i knew a guy once. [laughter] >> good to see you again. can you talk you mention neil degrasse tyson or others who operate in the same sphere talking bill gates to play the role with the public expert with an intellectual and social conscience can you talk about the expertise you are experts on deterrence of russia and the soviet union or what about astrophysics but there are people once you get the expert license and one area their experts in everything. >> and the public plays into this you experts and your cr

henry kissinger, john f.rzezinski watching russia who has been watching every twist and turn of china in the united states. who's that person in the obama administration on point. you can't name that person. we haven't been paying attention to china. china operating outside our field of vision and planning and plotting and strategizing how to top us economically. trish: yeah, we got to get serious. >> one of the things that could happen this weekend is these two gentlemen have the capacity to start talking tough trade negotiation. trish: you are hopeful, i'm hopeful, too. thank you so much. >>> breaking news, dustin johnson ranked number one in the world is pulling out of the u.s. masters after hurting his back when he slipped and fell on stairs. he was the favorite to win the tournament after becoming the fourth player in history to enter the masters after three straight pga tour wins. johnson is no stranger to freak accidents. in 2013 he had to withdraw after injuring his back lifting a jet ski. all right,

ahead of me and he's a former editor of time magazine and written biographies of steve jobs, henry kissinger ben franklin, and walter, who was wonderful, wonderful writer, as i he was the most accessible person anybody ever knew. he went to harvard and a rhodes scholar and every two years the headmaster brought him into the newman schools to tell us what we should be when we grew up. by about tenth grade we were sticking our fingers down his throat when he walked in. the first piece of of a life walter gave me, after i wrote, was now you need to write your book about a great man. i thought, no. that's not what i'm going to do. that's it you do. i just never felt it. i never felt the slightest inclination to do it. the idea bores me. that's not a good start for a literary project to be bored by the idea. >> there's always a lot of serendipity, as you said earlier, you can be truly passive. you must go out and look for interesting stories. you don't sit at home and they come from manna to heaven. how would you go about looking for stories and what is it when you see a story triggered something

or china -- >> remember first out reach to china was with henry kissinger, president septembe sent him to china, china knew that president trump of the serious. charles: real quick, mercedes. >> i think you will see tammy used that word hawkish, he is concerned about using any sort o military in these hot spots, it is important to watch this meeting between president and chinese pete president, they might appear they are getting along, i would say behind closed-doors there will be a lot of tension, especially with issue of north korea. korea. your insurance on time. tap one little bumper, and up go your rates. what good is having insurance if you get punished for using it? news flash: nobody's perfect. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise your rates due to your first accident. and if you do have an accident, our claims centers are availab to assist you 24/7. call for a free quote today. liberty stands with you™ liberty mutual insurance charles: health care reform is on life supports, trump administration and house republicans are racing against the clock, e

henry kissinger. >> he has the most important person with him, president trump.ink it is very big that xi jinping decided to come here. clearly xi jinping open to come here with his wife if it was going to be hostile. up to the chinese to decide whether this will be hostile or not. i think they are going to work at out. we will work with them, work things out. the number one and number trico economies and number one and number two economies meeting together at mar-a-lago, this is a great thing. an interesting thought. xi jinping has north korea to worry about. i would say russia, putin has almost the same issue with syria going on. would we be just as likely to have a discussion with russia, another superpower? that might be a great thing, but will the left and some of the people on the right say, this would be fantastic if trump could sit down and work with the russians? >> i think the obama administration did just that. with trump, a difficult situation given all of the interference in the election. >> my point is, i think this is a very positive thing. >> it i

tellld henry kissinger, them you work for a crazy president and they should operate with you.er that is the case here, president trump deliberately trying to keep people off balance or simply responding to things as they come. he wrote in his first memoir that he does not like to think ahead. so ites to go day by day, is keeping with that approach he took in business. charlie: some have said and you have written that, speaking of president trump, what ever is against or the opposite of what president obama did. peter: i think there is something to that. he had the president of egypt to the white house last week. the military a few years back and president obama refused to let him come to the white house. trump invites him to the white house and lavishes praise on him. decided to strike syria in response, even though he said to president obama that you should not do it. he said i am fulfilling the red line. influenced byo be desire not to the president obama. a lot of presidents want to be different than their prejudice predecessor. charlie: back to the doctrine. is there a sen

again, it's inevitable that you will have what henry kissinger called a revolutionary states where ifthey see an opportunity to change things, they'll do just that. >> let me bring in the fact that in 2014, russian president vladimir held the bell die conference and i believe that was the tenth anniversary of bell die. it was global older, new rules of the game without rules. how does that relate to the thesis that you're putting forward and looking back historically ? how do you set the stage in the book? >> is relevant in a couple of ways. roughly a quarter of a century since the berlin wall came down, the end of the cold war and i would argue that there are several things are happening. one is that there is less consensus than there was if there was that much to begin with about the rules of the world ought to be. what bubbles should organize the world and what are the behaviors, shall shall we say, that our example as behaviors that are discouraged. there's growing friction between russia and china and the united states and others including: europe. the the balance of power is wea

put every form of secretary estate in the same room whether it be james baker or john kerry or henry kissinger they wouldn't have answers at this point in time because in the end what is america's real role in the world here in terms of defending the united states interest? we've gone overboard in areas we shouldn't have gone to, for example, in the middle east, and we should be stepping back and letting other countries do that work for us. we shouldn't be the world policemen but have vital interests to defend the american homeland. host: talking foreign policy in the middle east, syria and afghanistan in particular and our guest is marc ginsburg and james is our caller from easley, south carolina. thanks for waiting. good morning. aller: yeah, good morning. i want to say everything in the world has to do with greed, nothing to do with -- with hing has to do greed. guest: i look at 40 years and those that want to come into the world because of greed but our values are great about us and at the same time we have dictators and corrupt officials around the world whose only reason to be in power i

american, he is -- was one of young leaders of the grow group-frencn foundation, they are honored henry kissingeroming up. does that bode well for our relations with france, if he wins, facing vladimir putin, other threats that france and we face together? >> we have a win-win if we have gotten the far left candidate it would have been really difficult for the united states. socialists in france, are not all the same stripe. fillon is considered a socialist, but he is considered a facture like which of -- which conservative. we could have a good friend there regardless of which ones, the french voters have the ball now it is their call. eric: it was closer than a lot thought, and according to polls macron predicted to win by about 30 points in two weeks, but we know a lot could happen in that time, steve thank you. >> thank you. eric, of course,. arthel: u.s. defense secretary jim mattis is in africa as parts of his week-long tour of the region, and he is visiting a key military base in djibouti. at southern entrance to the red sea working to affirm key u.s. military alliances in least and africa

immensely dangerous to have a regime that is not merely a rogue regime in this case, i think henry kissinger's a cost, not a country, iran. what is the cost? it's to dominate first the middle east and then the world with a shiite revivalism. and to subjugate and remove anybody that stands in their wake him up first in the muslim world and then everybody else, convert, die, now you say that's madness. then you say it can't be at the beginning of the 21st century, there are still regimes and movements, causes that believe in that madness. can it be? of course it can. it's right before our eyes, what you see in isis is small compared to what you could see with iran, they too have a cause. they think we're the ones who should be dominated, the world should be islamist and were going to be king of the hill, that's what they're fighting with that shiites, who is going to be king of this islamist hill? but they don't disagree that it only has room for those who adopt and except through submission their version of islam. who is resisting? other muslims? they don't want to go down that path, non-musl

orchestrated by trump's sonld gera-in-law jaredr had high level backing and he comes in the form of henry kissingerr modern china and the u.s. during the mixon administration. writing about kushner's goal is to broaden and improve the relationship despite several persistent challenges. that runs with other top officials who want to confront beijing with various issues as trump promised in the campaign. it's a one-on-one battle between the team that want probably more engaging discussions with china. more cooperation. and the other side of the cabinet right now that want to be more confrontational led by steve bannon, according to this "washington post" op-ed. >> the most important of the foreign leader meetings so far. either way, already, the tone as we approach it infinitely more conciliatory than it could have been a week ago or a month ago. the tone has been improving. and heightened by the comments towards china saying trade is the key thing. >>> coming up to the hour, "squawk box." joe kernin is there. >> good morning, i love that josh rogin -- hilarious, isn't he? wasn't he in -- seth rogen.

. >>> up next, what do henry kissinger, rupaul and ted cruz have in common?uite a riddle. >> -- is next on morning cokie. >>> it's time for your business entrepreneur of the week. marleana stell began to create youtube tutorials for her friend and they spread like wildfire. today she does 20 million in sales each year. for more watch "your business" sunday mornings at 7:30 on msnbc. >>> joining us now, assistant managing editor at "time" magazine here to reveal this week's five covers for the "time" 100, the 100 most influential people in the world. i'm again not on it, dan -- >> sorry about that. >> but the cover story, riz ahmed. >> so he's one of our five covers. you talk about breakout years. he has really had a breakout year. he's been in almost everything as lin manuel miranda writes about in his tribute. he was in "star wars," he even raps and performed at coachella. >> you had henry kissinger writing about jared kushner. >> yes. that's one of the great things about this list. we really think about it as the time 200 because we try to find writers who

henrys kissinger said when trump changes his mind in the right direction we should go more softly. we have so much to complain about in the administration, maybe coming along and understanding reality. i think you are 100% right on that. reality trumps trump. after all he is still president of the united states and he can make some really critical decisions. we have big problems coming up ahead of us. north korea, syria, russia, china. the fact that he gets something right is a help. we're not there yet and he has a tendency as one of you mentioned to reverse every once and a whi while. constant is something we hope to appreciate. >> chris, to both those points, no one denies a knnew comer to washington a steep learning curve and on the job learning. in terms of the real word consequen world consequences on russia and china and syria. do we know where the u.s. is now? >> in truth, i think the answer to that is to be determined. to david's point, it is hard to know what today is predictive of tomorrow or a week from now or a month from now. i think the important thing is that david

>> what did henry kissinger say? americans have no permanent enemies or friends, just interests?ics is that way as well. i'm a capitalist. anybody should have a right to make money -- >> neil: it concerned elizabeth warren and concerned bernie san sanders. >> if they were offered it, they'd probably take it. the reality is, they only sign the backs of checks. they don't know what it's like to sign the front. >> neil: so you think barack obama is getting too much heat over it? >> i do. >> neil: would you liked it better if he waited for a wall street speech? >> why? if wall treat wants -- >> neil: he called them fat cats. i thought it was bad. he could have called them calorie challenged. >> look, the push-back on obama is he focused on an agenda that was anti-wealth, anti-business. i speak about it in the 2012 election. so go to the capital markets and earn $400,000, i'd like to say this, mr. president. welcome to the club. >> neil: it's a free country. don peebles, the president and ceo of the peep -- peebles corporation. he got the same amount last night and we have more next.

adversaries wonder what you are going to do and you wonder what the creative ambiguity is an -- as henry kissingerd to talk about it is, i think, valuable. on the other hand, they want some predictability. they want to know what our real interests are. when the previous administration spend so much time repudiating whatever went on before -- it is quite remarkable hearing the vice president speaking in south korea, decrying the obama policy of strategic patience, but he linked that to every president before. there is a lot to be worried about and a lot of diplomatic works from this new administration to accomplish to deal with that. >> to you think they meant to say we are no longer patient? >> i think the idea was being patient. they used the word strategic to convey a kind of wisdom i am being patient. i think the idea is to say this strategic patience hasn't gotten us anywhere and we need to deal with this issue. it's not -- i don't think the trump administration is trying to say we are done with talking, we need to move on to some military solution. i think they are saying we can't let this is

fascinating background and color to all of this, patty, as we bring in the facts cukushr met with henry kissingerit is fascinating. you have said sort of politics aside of your dislike of the president's politics, you think he comes into these meetings especially the meeting with the chinese president, from a position of weakness. how so? >> well look, his favorability is in the 30s. he is under fbi investigation. he has lost his two big first initiatives and that's his travel ban and then health care. he is a lot of talk, tough talk, a lot of bluster but going into the meetings in a weakened position as the leader of the most powerful country in the world. he's meeting with the leader of arguably the second most powerful country in the world and comes at it in a weakened position. also there's no clear foreign policy coming out of this administration. we don't know who is in charge as david gergen suggested, recognize tillerson, kninikki y haley, jared kushner? there is no second tear for foreign affairs. he's going into the meeting not only weakened but probably ill prepared. >> you know it's i

he talked to two henry kissinger and said tell them you work for , a crazy president, you do not knowt he will do and they , should operate with you. it was very calculated. i'm not sure whether that is the case here, president trump deliberately trying to keep people off balance or simply responding to things as they come. he wrote in his first memoir that he does not like to think ahead. he likes to go day by day, not planning far in advance. it is keeping with that approach he took in business. charlie: some have said and you have written that, speaking of president trump, whatever is against or the opposite of what president obama did. peter: i think there is something to that. he had the president of egypt to the white house last week. this is a former general that took over a few years back and president obama refused to let him come to the white house. president trump not only invite him to the white house but lavishes praise on him. does not mention the tens of thousands of people imprisoned since his takeover. similarly, he decided to strike syria in response to the chemical

as secretaries of state henry kissinger and george shultz warned, they warned, obama's deal "risk empowering iran and, of course, they were right." it bestowed a wind fall for billions to distribute to the proxies, obama's deal with tehran prevented his administration from taking a regional approach to stop iran. today we can combat iran's ability to funneld terrorists l hezbollah and hamas and the proxies and syria. and at least to a broader point as well. the best way to bolster israel's security in the region is to enhance america's influence in the region. the best way to do so is by focusing on three areas, three areas -- rebuilding our capabilities here, rebuilding our partnerships, and, frankly, rebuilding our will. so the first step is rebuild our capability. we need a multiyear plan to rebuild our own military, our total force needs to be rebuilt of america's to remain capable of fulfilling the traditional role as guarantor of the international order. during the obama administration, we had times where our commanders lacked sufficient aircraft carrier presence or tactical units like

president ford and henry kissinger gave personally and the green light to invade east timor which produced most extensive proportional slaughter since the nazis. a regimeimplemented which involved kind of a semi religious glorification of the army and stigmatization of any kind of reformist elements, which they would characterize as communist. and when needed or when they felt like it over the years, they would stage additional massacres. result 1998, , partly as a of the asian financial crisis triggered by banks, partly as a result of the amazing courage of activists who came out on the streets of jakarta to demand the ouster of the general, partly as a result of the fact that the grassroots move it here in the u.s. had succeeded in cutting off most of the arms pipeline from the u.s. to indonesia, which then constrained them in the extent to which they were willing to open fire on those demonstrators, the general felt. after he came, what is referred to reform, which is still underway, the army is still the dominant number one power in indonesia. other power is much less than a used to be

in foreign policy generally, a lot of people have said that president trump is following what henry kissingermad man theory. that is if you make other people think you're crazy they don't know what you're going to do, they're going to give you a wide birth and they might just back down. and i think president trump has been doing such a magnificent job of practicing the mad man theory he's convinced people he is a mad man both abroad and at home because a lot of people don't have any idea what he's planning to do in north korea or elsewhere. so i was giving friendly advice to the north korean dictator that he might want to back down, give up on the nukes and he could sue president trump for something, say the way paula jones did to president clinton. i'm sure that will work out better. that's the american way. >> well we've been having this conversation, steve mnuchin, treasury secretary, just saying that the trump administration is close, this is a live look here, i believe this is a live look, the treasury secretary is -- looks to be involved in some sort of interview here, he just said that

richard nixon was in power it was just him and when richard nixon was in power it wasjust him and henry kissingerional security decisions, let alone anyone else. you have to ask yourself when the crunch comes, who goes to the situation room? he is in there, who will be called on to speak, who is called on to advise and to really does the president listened to in those situations? i don't think there is any sign that steve bannon will not be part of that in a significant way. thank you for bringing us up today. a service of hope and reconciliation has taken place at westminster abbey, a fortnight after the attack on westminster bridge and the houses of parliament. the service took place to remember the victims of khalid masood, who drove a car into pedestrians, and stabbed a police officer. at the abbey, the duke and duchess of cambridge and prince harryjoined around two thousand people attending the multi faith service, as our royal correspondent, nicholas witchell, reports. two weeks ago the area around westminster abbey was caught up in the chaos of that afternoon. nearby on westminster bridge