so i think trump is here for the get go. >> sam stein, so far he's no herman cain because herman caina higher number than donald trump has ever reached. >> yes, that's true but it was for a smaller period of time, of course. i think what david is getting at is in 2012 there was a two-tiered primary system, in which it was mitt romney and mitt romney challenger dujour. it is a lot different this time. we have 16 candidates. ten are serious people at one point or another were considered possible leading presidential contenders. you have created a situation in which everyone is waiting to see the field narrow down. when we get to that point in time, i do believe that's when you will see trump's favorabilities and numbers decline a little bit. people will start to make choices. the last poll number was the most important. if people don't think you are electable or can win in a general election that can be a determinative factor going in to a primary vote. >> clarence, that's what we have always seen, even with the flirtations with herman cains and things like that. the republican primary

honestly, we're just recovering from herman cain dropping out of the race. have seen my writers' reaction to that news of herman cain's withdrawal. >> no! >> no! it's not supposed to happen this way! >> oh god, oh man! >> (bleep) (bleep) (bleep). (laughter) >> jon: it was upsetting. they weren't alone. when cane dropped out of the race i felt despondent. i was depressed, i was losing all hope that my job would ever bring me joy again. and... (laughter). and then... >> we are just confirming that donald trump will moderate a republican debate on december 27 in des moines iowa. >> jon: (whispering) thank you, jesus. (cheers and applause) you know sometimes when god closes a door he opens a window! and sometimes standing outside that window a circus peanut wearing a badger. (laughter) here's how you know it's going to be great! regular republicans, the one we used to hate are down right scared. >> jon: it's going to be a giant go trip and anybody who thinks that donald trump is going to be the equivalent of bret baier or any of the other moderates is kidding th

>> we didn't know herman cain the way we knew donald trump. >> the minute herman cain found himself facing scrutiny he didn't stand up. donald trump because people know him it might have brought him the benefit of the doubt. >> is this one of the most unusual candidacies we've ever seen? >> the most unusual i've ever seen. >> so we don't know what will happen? we. >> we don't. does this thing get more serious? in the next few weeks, next few monos the the thing that's missing so far, trump called up on the stage with him jeff sessions the senator from alabama. didn't endorse him but said nice things about him. does trump start getting actual endorsements from republican elected officials? that's the thing that the skeptics say he'll never get. if he starts getting those all bets are off. >> part of his aspiel that he's a populist. >> right. >> not an insider. >> but you need some party support. you can't win the nomination without some party support. does some of the party bend toward trump. >> i want to ask you about carly fiorina. in the upcoming debate she'll be early on not with the bi

julian bond: herman cain went to my college. herman cain is a black man. i am not going to vote for herman cain. [laughter] warren olney: one of the questions of the article is if he were elected he would be president not only of the united states but also the de facto leader of black americans. as he done a good job of both of those things? is he both of those things? julian bond: no, and i think that was the wrong expectation. to think that he would be president of the united states and black america was too much. i do not think there is a president of black america and if there is his name is not barack obama. a good he has been president. if you did not have a pack of objectors shouting or at him -- if he did not have a pack of objectors shouting no at him and he would have been more successful. will behis second term more successful than the first. [applause] warren olney: people accuse him of leaving from behind. does that mean anything to you from behind. does that mean anything to you? julian bond: it means waiting too long. i think he faces an unu

herman cain did not stare down fox news and win. this is something new and different. we're out of time. michael steele, thanks for joining us. >>> and he wants to quote knock the hell out of them and take their oil. that is his plan and it is far from the only we've heard. >>> and hillary clinton struggling and bernie sanders is the only democratic alternative to her. is vice president joe biden now getting serious about jumping into the race? and all the democrats are talking about defunding planned parenthood often ben carson is going so far to accuse the organization of trying, quote, control the african-american population in this country. that's coming one tonight's roundtable. and finally, let me say, he deserves better than he gets from either the right or the left. this is "hardball." i take prilosec otc each morning for my frequent heartburn. because it gives me... zero heartburn! prilosec otc. the number 1 doctor-recommended frequent heartburn medicine for 9 straight years. one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn. >>> 18 presidential candidates will

do not pooh-pooh the polls, and i looked before the 2012 election to see what polls and when was herman cainhele bachmann and the rest, it would be one tiny straw poll and everyone was so excited because romney, dominating on all the polls was losing one tiny straw poll of republican leaders in iowa, for example. cain did it in florida. it is not an issue because of immigration, not straight talk. if it was straight talk, chris christie would be at the top, john mccain would be at the top. lou: what did you think of chris christie getting into it with rand paul? by the way, donald trump saying today after rand paul insulted him again, you know, it's what the people do in the consumer product business. whoever the leader is, that's the one everyone else goes after, and wants them to take notice. >> that's true, but another thing they do. lou: but anyway -- >> you look at leader and you imitate them. imitate him, republicans. they won't! >> donald trump said, this is worth me finishing, i assure you, he's had it up to here, i thought that was interesting with rand paul. >> man, he has good ins

you can clump herman cain and newt gingrich when he wanted poor kids to be janitors at school not very far in our memory, but this guy has been called a game changer, donald trump, by more than a few political pundits. >> but i think that he -- what these poll numbers are showing is that there is something in the air now that he is almost in-vulnerable to things that would have completely destroyed anyone else's candidacy. so i suspect that he will float right through and say things that pundits in the media will just be horrified by. and end up with his numbers even higher. but i personally agree that kasich is the guy to watch. kasich in long forums tends to wander and not be terribly focused. but constrained buyer time he has the potential to be pretty compelling. >> and you can't neglect gate that we're looking at the home field advantage. he can say this happened in my state. and that always brings i think people -- your attention to an individual. they can point to something specific. >> exactly. and that's why his being on that stage on thursday night was so important. and the f

a lot said that political correctness brought down herman cain. that's always there in the background. the more established republican candidates do believe trump is going to hit his ceiling here. they don't want to antagonize him so he may run third party. he's been candid about that talking about his leverage. that's what he's talking about, i'm sure. and at the same time they don't want to sound like they're cozying up to him too much. so they're kind of walking that tight rope right now. >> governor, i have to ask you before we run out of time, today trump talked about his phone call with former president bill clinton, which has become an infamous part of this campaign. listen to this. >> the truth is we talked after, actually long after i decided to run. and i think you know maybe he was feeling -- we didn't even talk about thatp about and we're not particularly friends or anything. iy tell you what, he's not happy i'm running because nobody has hit hillary harder than i have. >> the clinton camp has a different view of how the thing went dow

we had herman cain, a pizza magnet, who led for about 12 weeks.he whole aspect of some celebrity as an outsider is growing. but it is also assigned there is a large group of disenchanted voters who are tired of all it takes as usual. kathy: what are these disenchanted voters actually looking for? because when pushed as he has been in the last couple of days , donaldy specifics trump does not give very thought out answers. what he says is, i will get to that later. a dozen seen as though -- it doesn't seem as though disenchanted voters are looking for policy changes. they are looking for something else. >> that is interesting, because over time we will be looking or what his vision or mission is. right now, about one quarter of the republican primary voters, there is no policy link. there is no ideology linked. moderate is really no conservative link. right now, it is the energy he conveys in the sense that he is an outsider, not beholden to anybody, and he will shake things up. will that last a few dozen and policy elements and a vision that is su

ran another ad in south carolina at a total production cost of $15,000 equating with a vote for herman caina vote for stephen colbert. any thoughts on that, stephen? >> i cannot coordinate with you in any way. (laughter) and i haven't seen the ad but when i watched it, i thought that the final shot of a handsome man smiling could have been a little bit longer. (laughter and applause) and was a little... with a little color correction and maybe you could have done something about the crow's feet. but as i say, i have not seen it, jon, and i cannot coordinate with you in any way. (laughter). >> jon: well, i happen to think it looked nice and it was a very flattering picture of you. >> i wouldn't know. trevor... >> jon: i think we lost him. are you still there? >> yes, i am. >> jon: holy (bleep). this is still legal? >> it should be okay, so far. (laughter). >> jon: all right, i have some future plans. >> i can't coordinate. >> jon: the next superpac attack ad attack it is attack ads of romney and gingrich's uncoordinated superpac ads. they'll be running in head of the charles on the. >> i can

i'm thinking of herman cain the lay-up -- last time around. there's a sense of more urgency here. maybe something about the sentiment of the voters this time around. it feelings like trump might be able too sustain this and might be able to defy the laws of political gravity. you do have a sense that this could go on for some time, maybe even close to some of the actual primary and caucus votes. gwen: what i find interesting about the polls is not who's up or down, who are the folks supporting donald trump on any candidates? >> i spent today culling through "morning consult"'s, the people who have responded to our polls and said they would vote for trump. i called them up and said what do you see in him, why do you support him? first of all, immigration. second of all, the ability to turn around the economy, all couched in this language of he'll say whatever needs to be said. there's a sense that too many politicians are just paying lip service, that there's no action behind their words and that, by the way, this there is a political correctness, a phrase that keeps coming up amon

is like herman cain did in the last cycle and the maid peter out in the establishment of individuals in connecticut that cause scott walker jed bush those individuals will be the one that have the last day fell. trump these individuals out there to articulate their positions are the issues they are generally concerned about what this game of politics that the poor and the home run establishment " of a home run >> pam: had tonight at a fund- raiser stanley and whose murder along the san francisco pier has led to a national effort to reform and immigration laws also phone scam you'll want to hear about before you get your next call just had a commercial video of the officer pulled out his gun approaching a citizen to a >> pam: several months as kate's family was shot of a lawn care 14 with their father in san francisco. tonight family and friends are remembering her in the city in rallying support for what's called the kids lot tougher restrictions on all legal immigrants j are still alive tonight in san francisco. >> j.r.: they say it has been a very difficult month kent sims case sta

. >> so, one of the thing's continue to hear that, go back four years ago, and herman cain was in theead. go back#8Ñ'7y eight years ago, u head rudy giuliani, who was killing it, up 35%. fred thompson second. so these polls mean nothing well hear the experts say that and the average person is saying, are you nuts? you're not paying attention to main street. >> well, i pay attention to history, and i keep getting e-mails and tweets saying, history doesn't necessarily determine the future, and that's true, but over time, patternsízo emerge. history doesn't repeat but it does rhyme, and so the truth is, this is the summer before the election year. people are not as serious about their vote as they will be right before they cast it, whether it's in the primaries or certainly in the general election in november 2016. so, am i taking the polls that seriously? i'm not. i'm thrilled other people are getting excited about politics on account of it, but i would advise you not to put down any bets you can't change later. >> what about the notion, you may not be taking it[e$li woman: as much as i

herman cain was the party for run -- front runner for years ago. the front runner for the germans. a to go down that road gekko erik: thank you very much. hans nichols in new york city. --not going to go down that road. matt: how easy it to perform hack attack on tesla. we will talk to two guys who did it. ♪ matt: the tesla model s is the world's most connected car in also one of the most secure. after two years of in-depth research to hackers managed to hack it and now working to make sure it does not happen again. we are talking to them in las vegas. >> i am a principal's 30 x all caps. -- visible security researcher at cloud cap. >> i'm the founder and ceo of lookout. hack willbecause we sla toest lead -- tels build safer cars in the future. elon musk will is a visionary. a visionary. we wanted to look at there were any issues and what were they? have filled glass. the tesla took a little bit of time. simplyas not a case of hacking the car. we had to do one system, gather the information and gather more information. finally use that to get more information. we were able to get f

. >> herman cain was doing very well at this point, remember?, i do. >> james rosen live for us. thank you for getting up early to bring us that report in cleveland. >> just because they didn't make the top 10 doesn't mean they aren't candidates to watch. charles krauthammer explains why it could be a good opportunity for lesser known candidates to make their mark. >> fiorina, she is extremely articula articulate. she is not that well-known. she doesn't senator the name recognition. she could distinguish herself later on in the top 10 and also rick perry. he's much improved over 2012. and he has the glasses. that could take him a long way. >> heather and i are doing this right after this block we are going to download the fox news election hq 2016 apps for our iphones. we are going to be able to score the candidates while we are watching the debate live after rating their responses you are going to get your debate score card to see who you most align with. it is available in the apple app store and also google play. it is free. >> the pressure i

debate, you are the sold business man who might have a business solution, how does he avoid the herman cain phenomenon or the ross perot phenomenon, and a business star the fadeout from the political scene, most experts say there's a big difference with donald trump, a staggering wealth is one of them, his ability to market quite another. tonight with this test would is going on in these markets and this economy provides a perfect storm to keep all lies on the man who single-handedly changed the dynamics of the race. what is at stake for donald trump and how he plays it tonight. what do you think? >> he is the front runner, the votes to lose or the most to gain because people will be focusing on him. the other candidate so him a lot. he'd troubles, triple or quadruple the audience tuning in to this debate. it will probably be the most watched of all but 169 presidential primary debates the started in a serious stretch in 1944. neil: anna gilligan 169. i look at other business owners with the brass ring around this, herman cain faded for a variety of other reasons, but pizza king got no furt

herman cain. and sanatorium and huckabee led at one point. at one point huckabee and donald trump were tied for the lead. i think it is different. is this race different than any others? absolutely. we don't have a clear front runner. we have leads. but not the big margin and people that are following behind. you go back to 1976 and the democratic bid for presidency to find a field as crowded and in which the front runner and person in first place had a small share of the vote. >> john described this as a demolition derby. you know that one car crosses the finish line first but usually all of them are battered; is that a danger here? >> it is a danger. we don't know if it is going to happen or not. the more people in the contest, the more likely it is you have people getting desperate and throwing hail mary passes and when they throw hail mary passes, it involves saying something bad about someone else. we have a long way to go. there are moments of ugliness and nothing of permanent damage and it is a real possibility. >> who has the most to

this is not unusual when you have people in 2011 you were popping up like herman cain or michele bachmann p. but at the end of the day what fox wants is good tv and good ratings, and they goth both. >> the cnn debate with the newt gingrich question, the first question in that cnn debate a supple cycles ago was a similar kind of moment, right? there's a figure on the stage who's got a big story line, let's make the most of it. i, you know, i think that that debate was, as dan says, more about theater than it was about substance. >> i want to change the topic to one thing about bernie sanders, who is attracted huge crowds, but black lives matters protesters, interrupting one of them, recently, basically sitting down a rally in seattle. i don't know if you have any idea about the answer, why are they only going after bernie sanders and to a lesser demark o'malley? how come they're not targeting republicans or hillary clinton? >> i think in the sfle -- they talked a lot about the issues. martin o'malley got shouted down, he went about meeting with them and putting out very serious policy. i t

four years ago michele bachmann, newt gingrich, herman cain, rick santorum all led the polls at one time or another and of course mitt romney became the nominee. you want to be in first but if you can't be look for reasons why it doesn't matter. that's what the other 1 is 6 campaigns are doing. >> again the argument is trump is running a different campaign this time and more reaganesque. look at the numbers. what is surprising ben carson the brain surgeon in second place and jeb bush f these numbers hold and is it over for him s it curtains for him? >> if the numbers hold, yes. but the question is will they hold and i think the answer to that is no. donald trump is a -- is a celebrity act and sooner or later that's -- ben carson is a honest thoughtful guy but he has never been in politics a lot like her man cane was four years ago. it is difficult to believe when people pay attention all the way down the road next february that he will be in second place. i think going to your question about jeb bush, he has $100 million in the bank. he's probably most people would think he's the leader

. >> i don't know that we know it is the next herman cain we saw something similar with cain with perry. >> michele bachmann. >> a whole host of them. it was a bit like whack-a-mole in 2012. i think you're looking at a very big field. trump said 21 22%. you have to think that that's sort of a ceiling for this guy 78% of republicans are saying he's not my guy. i don't think this is a trump or bush situation there are some really strong candidates that i think are going to have their time in the sun, and it will be interesting to see how that plays out. >> check out the favorability numbers among some key groups here. independents 27% favorability that's down 27% from june. 41% favorability. women voters 41% favorability down from 52% in june. these are not good numbers for hillary clinton. >> i will admit that these are not good numbers, i would say a couple things she's had a rough summer she's been through the ringer all summer on a whole host of things. the thing that we have to look at is in this race right now, hillary clinton is acting as the de facto incumbent, we're not testing h

. >> there were some republican candidates like michele bachmann, herman cain doing well, but then they slid down quickly. i don't get the sense that will necessarily happen to donald trump. >> in fact, this weekend he said when asked about that, they're not me, i'm not them. and he's right. he is tapping into something and has more staying power never mind his $1 billion which helps have more staying power also. but remember there are 16 other people not named trump in this race. that wide field of the non-trump is splitting up all the non-trump and undecided vote. as the field winnows, the dynamics of this race will shift as donald trump gets into a one on one or one on two conversation with his competitors. >> let's not forget, if he says he'll spaend billion dollars, he says "i make $400 million a year, what's a billion?" >> i don't know how the answer that. [ laughter ] >> that's a lot of money. guy, thanks very much. >>> coming up, newly released video between hillary clinton and black lives matter leaders. i'll speak with two of the activists who appear in the video and ask if th

also pointed out that remember at this point four yearings ago, late 2011 everyone talking about herman cain. and he fizzled pretty quickly. >> city way out. ben: a lot of things can happen in the next week let alone next six months. >> that's true. juliet: different than what we've had. overall the last -- 20, 30 years. anyway we have a lot more coming up for you. ben: we do a hip-hop superstar helps students get ready to head back to school plus. juliet: mike's keeping track of the forecast. mike: changes on the way here. first of all heat and humidity back to us yesterday. we're starting off with 76 degrees. another hot humid one above normal temperatures coming to you. daily an hourly forecast available in the fox 5 weather app, search is out at the apple, google play store there. download for free right now. we'll be right back. this fall at dunkin donuts, get lost in pumpkin. pick up your favorite pumpkin-flavored beverages and baked treats, like the new pumpkin cheesecake square, while they're still here. you exercise. you choose the salad. occasionally. but staying well - emotionally

new england throughway by the hutch so long island expressway had an a accidentwood herman cain boulevard cleared away accident and delays but left this delay extra slow here on l.i.e. between clearview and woodhaven because of that accident. rubber necking delays a part of that. as far as your commute with trains metro-north, long island railroad, new jersey transit and path trains on or close to schedule. ben and juliet. >> learning more this morning about real housewives star kim richards alleged stealing spree. >> accused her of trying to steal a shopping cart full of merchandise from a target in van nuys, california. u how was she going get -- >> other issues going on there. 100 items reportedly in the cart no effort to conceal them was she under the influenceful something? richards charged with petty theft not her first run-in with the law back in april she is arrested for causing scene at the very posh beverly hills hotel. >> who are high fest paid actors, may surprise you. robert downey, jr. earned big bucks doing ironman urged $80 million in the past year. this according to "forb

we did this with herman cain for a while. did it with ross perot.ange, eccentrics kind of character. we always revert back to the typical politician pete tree dish. why? >> 100%. it happened with, forbes had okay run for a little while. neil: that's right. >> i don't think pat buchanan is exactly in that ilk but same idea. neil: the unusual guys. >> always goes bad, always. >> in terms of business people carly fiorina is exact opposite from donald trump because she was so composed and articulate but was very effective -- neil: do you think she can get to the next level. >> no. i think she tried in california against barba boxer like meg whitman for governor. neil: that is a hard state to pull off. >> i think she had a great debate in the predebate -- neil: expectations were very low. >> exactly. speaking of business leaders, her business record and her career will be, more heavily scrutinized. neil: you know in the general debate. >> already has been. neil: not as, as much as it will be later on. >> on perry scope she was quizzed by potential voters

what we saw in 2012 through the six-week trend where candidates like a rick perry or santorum or herman cain would rise six weeks and plateau. and then at the end of the six weeks we'd see them go down over a few weeks. donald trump just hit six weeks. >> let's start to look and pay close attention next week to see what will happen with the polls. >> if he ticks up you have to come back and explain. >> even further. >> thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> my pleasure. >>> a lot more ahead, including ing hong kong ramping up her campaign with a page out of president obama's play book. >>> plus, on the tenth an verse i have of hurricane katrina, there's one person visiting new orleans today that might make you say really? seriously? him? stay with us. ugh! heartburn! no one burns on my watch! try alka-seltzer heartburn reliefchews. they work fast and don't taste chalky. mmm...amazing. i have heartburn. alka-seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief. >> cruising down the street. >> all right. ♪ ♪ >> that was dope. you can take over the world. sthoets ♪ >> the star of this summer

herman cain had a good debate appearance and he shot to the top of the polls. newt gingrich had a couple of good debate appearances and ended up winning south carolina. so i think there are a lot of things that can happen. we do have a long way to go before the iowa caucuses in the first part of february. jon: on the democratic side hillary clinton is about to start an advertising campaign and "the new york times" and other outlets are writing that she is eyeing the possibility that the vice president joe biden might actually get into the democratic race. how nervous is the clinton camp over the possibility of joe biden jumping in. >> well, i think they're worried about it. i think you know, it is speculation but part of this ad campaign may be dealing with that. all these stories that joe biden is really considering getting in this race. the other part of course that the focus, this week on the gop in cleveland and she will want to counter that. i do think that the going bet now is that joe biden is really leaning heavily to jump into this race. if that happen

one of the times, especially last time, after they got over some very strange infatuations like herman cainnd so forth and when tim pawlenty was no longer able to fund his campaign, what the republicans ended up doing was going with the best candidate they had. and anybody who wants to say bob dole was a loser has to tell me who was the better candidate that the republicans had in 1996? and it seems to me that no matter how wild they respond in polls at this point or maybe in early voting, they tend to end up with a carefully-chosen, careful candidate. >> they do. which is why jeb bush has gone into this race with that kind of head of steam behind him. look lawrence, it's perfectly natural that republicans are going to criticize the standard bearers who lost. of course they are, but let's also look at the fact that the country has changed a lot. and maybe the country right now is not in a place where it is going to elect a republican president. the demographics have changed so much in favor of the democratic party, at least at the national level, there are now 19 states, 240 electoral votes

four years ago herman cain was probably leading the republican field.ght now there's a real hunger and appetite for what donald trump is saying and he's really tapping into some emotions that are in the republican party and also outside of the republican party. i think you kind of have to look at a number of things. i think for donald trump if you're looking at these numbers, the top three folks leading your poll are all considered outsider republicans. if you're donald trump, that should be encouraging to you because those are other things you can pick up. for donald trump, nofrd for him to be successful, he has to pick up others. >> john, does anybody want trump as their second choice now? i haven't heard much talk. >> no, i don't think so, trump is a first choice candidate. they're trying him out. they want to see how he performs as a front-runner. i think he'll run his course just as rick santorum did. rick santorum is at 1%. that's a huge spread from where he was a year ago. >> what's really interesting, i've heard over the course of this whole tru

but we've seen herman cain the last time around at 30%. rick perry had a spot last time around where he was at 38%. trump does not seem to be moving up. what do you make of that? >> well, i think he's flavor du jour. we've got to remember, this is a marathon, not a sprint. he's out in front right now. he's the new, new thing. but we'll see how well he wears down the road. i think given the inconsistencies and the fact that a lot of his opponents haven't really opened up on him yet, he's kind of at a high watermark. you learn something every week. you think maybe he'll drop, and he's kept that percent. there's a lot of angst out there, what i would call a lot of anti-establishment feeling, and he seems to be capturing that in a bottle right now. >> chuck todd and i had no communication before the interview. and, you know, those questions were pretty good and obvious questions to ask. he didn't need my suggestion for them. let's look at some of chuck's great questions that provoked answers, including donald trump's plan for defeating isis. >

go back four years and herman cain was in first place and go back eight years and look hat that race. rudolph jewel nn nn nny was in place so far. i don't think anybody should be measuring the drapes in the trump white house right now. >> trump says his foreign policy chops are built on tv news. on a journalist dooubl this is that strong enough foundation? we love chuck todd and the others. do you believe this is a basis for foreign policy. >> a lot of his campaign is just a joke. mr. trump doesn't have any consistent positions. they change constantly. this month he can't reveal a certain strategy for isis and a few days later wants to send troops in and take the oil money. he has a symbiotic relationship with the media. he's a creature of reality television and for many years the broadcast media, the corporate media has cast politics as reality television obsessing over the details. the media has really coveted trump. so it is a symbiotic relationship. >> speaking of that symbiotic relationship, they made up, that is fox news, awful quickly with donald trump. were they afraid of, you

. >> this is to take nothing away from carly fiorina, but at one point in the last cycle herman cain the month. there's a whole lot to go between now and nomination time. she certainly is very impressive many many regards, but i suspect her day in the limelight will fade as others rise up. she may come back again. liz: you will be absolutely correct on both sides that people who were early front runners ended up fumbling on certain occasions. christian dorsey, a democratic strategist, and rich lowry, editor of "the national review," she you next time. the dow holding on to gains of 228 points. will we see the seven losing streak days in a row snap? looks like it at the moment. and commodities have been one of the hardest-hit sectors in the market which is why, perhaps, barron's is now saying buy, buy, buy. is barron's right? we go straight to the chicago mercantile exchange where they trade all that stuff and more for the latest. and china's economy continuing to struggle, kicking off the second half of the year on weaker-than-expected footing. what you need to know about china's tro

he's not herman cain, or michele bachmann. he has staying power.that big debate we all watched and marco rubio was the winner. he barely moved in the polls. nothing is seeming to matter. these guys are lifeless and wan and sad. >> wan. thank you, a word, wan. the word is wan. i keep saying a hot knife through soft butter. >> we waited for trump's numbers to drop after that debate, and they didn't. >> a lot of us waited for john kasich to zoom, but people didn't see it. you're all part of america's pastiche of wonderment here. >> i'll get out my dictionary. >> coming up, no surprise here, senator bob menendez under federal indictment right now and facing huge legal fees has come out, big surprise here, against president obama's nuclear deal with iran. he says it's a matter of, excuse me, principle. hmm. >>> we'll talk to a former president of a group opposed to the deal that quit because he supports the agreement, the nuclear deal with iran. >>> democratic sources tell nbc news today that joe biden is not ready to challenge hillary clinton for the d

>> if we look back four years ago when we had the "anybody but romney" movement and we saw herman caink perry and others rise and fall, it was they rose over a six-week period and donald trump just hit that six week period this past week so we'll look closely at the polls coming out in the next 10 to 14 days to see if he's still going up, to see if he's hit a ceiling or the see if he's going down. but this is the crux moment for donald trump to see if he's going to stick around. >> do you think it's different, though, with donald trump? and almost difficult to measure or compare? this is a guy we knew really well before, not as a politician. he's got this whole persona that's been around for a couple decades. >> the difference is here he's not running against the "anybody but the front-runner" because he is the front-runner. what he's running against is washington, d.c. one of the things we know is that republicans have a very dim view of their own republican representatives in congress. and that's basically saying "i don't like politicians" and donald trump is about as anti-politician

that's true, but let me remind you that four years ago, at some point michelle bachmann, rick perry, herman cain, rick santorum and newt gingrich were all at the top of the polls at some point in the process, and of course mitt romney. it may very well be that trump is the nominee, i don't have any idea. but i think the better bet is that this will burn itself out. >> colleen, let's talk about this "new york times" article, columnist marlene dowd reported this weekend that vice president joe biden has been urged to make a run after his son urged him as he died. she wrote, he tried to make his father promise to run, arguing that the white house should not revert to the clintons and that the country would be better off with biden values. joe biden knows what beau wants. now he just has to decide if it's who he is. he doesn't want the party to hover over his legacy, but how do you deny someone, if he does move forward, say he is inspired by his son's words? >> right. i think that's a really good question. and there is no doubt that beau biden's wishes, joe biden's family's wishes will be a factor i

trump and carson are just the next version of michelle baockmn and herman cain.y're not. >> there's anger across the board. it's not just the republicans. it's democrats. there's a sense that the establishment would be hillary clinton or jeb bush represents the failed politics of the past. >> here's where i think we're not quite connected yet. i think we have the unhappiness exposed on the left and on the right. and it's huge, okay? we yet to have a candidate who takes the unhappiness and turns it into the way to fix the country. we don't have it yet. >> my question for you -- >> ticked off, but how are you going to fix it. >> and that's the conduit that you need to get people to vote on the anger, otherwise, the intensity drives you to stay home because you didn't get that candidate or a third party. >> we all believe that may be the ultimate way to change the country. to get elected, pat, you know you agree with this. the anger has to be in the candidate, but he can't be an angry man or woman. >> who do we have on either side of the political aisle right now th

. >> let's remember with summer flings he still hasn't reached the herman cain level in the polls. it's the "new york times" headline today jeb bush's camp sees an upside to donald trump surge in the gop. i just want to read this line. privately, mr. bush's top strategists who have been fixated on halting mr. walker believe that mr. trump is nothing short of a god send. he is drawing support from voters, blue collar, less educated who are essential to mr. walker's candidacy. so there's the establishment candidate bush saying thank god, literally, that trump is in the race to protect bush. >> i think it helps bush more than that. it allows somebody in the republican party to look like a grownup and presidential. somebody that's not going to be scott walker and not marco rubio. >> frying bacon and stuff. >> look, this started in 1968 when nixon made this southern strategy. this has been going on, and the republican, smart republican people know with the new generation, the new demographics of america, they cannot win the presidency. jeb bush knows that. i agree with his advisers. i t

year we saw hints -- in 2008 -- 2012 we saw hints of this as well as the rise of michele bachmann, herman cain and others. so i think iowa caucus goers are a group that for a very long time have called for this and shown it not only in polls months before the caucus but in the caucus states. so we're five months out from the iowa caucuses. should we be looking at this and think this is going to be determining the future? >> i think it matters in a sense that you need to know where the electorate stands. where their heads are at. there isn't much more of an anti-establishment sentiment than a lot of people were expecting and to be honest that came from early stories that said "this could be a hillary clinton and jeb bush mashup" and i think voters looked at and that and were like, "ugh, really, this?" now we're seeing retaliation from that on bhooth sides of th ail because it's not just remembers, it's the summer surge of bernie sanders. >> you have a "des moines register"/bloomberg politics poll and it shows bernie sanders is gaining on hillary. this has been the trajectory we have seen for so

he's where herman cain was four years ago. it's a natural constituency. what's going on, unlike four years ago where mitt romney was a couple points behind, have you this vast field of candidates, divided. the rest of the electorate can't find a candidate they feel at this early stage they could rally around. they thought it was jeb bush. it's not. he's falling. who emerges to fill that void? that's the most significant question of the primary process. >> the other part of this poll, we all just talked trump, trump, trump, the news is really ben carson. he's sitting at 18%. more importantly here, highest favorable rating. it's eclipsing everybody. right now he leads among christian conservatives, if i were looking at this poll in january, i would tell you, carson would win the caucuses. if this were january, this would mean carson would win the caucuses. >> but this is not january. this is august. we have been really focused on, this but i don't think the rest of the country has to the point that we -- >> i think iowans are. >> iowans. but you're still lo

think of herman cain back in 2012 before him ross perot. used to this idea of the snake oil salesman the guy who steps in, says if you vote for me i will build roads, i'll give you health care i'll give you everything you want. and then we see them burn up. we don't expect them to do very, very well, but it conforms to a particular cliche in the european mind about america and how its politics work that it's about money, it's about buying yourself attention, it's about personality, but most of all, it's about anger. what's slightly troubling for europeans is a lot of talk about what americans right now are angry about. we're getting that from donald trump. the list is very long -- immigration, health care all those things. we're not getting a very long list about what america's going to do about it and what these candidates actually stand for. so i think europeans are looking and thinking we've heard this before. it's amusing, it's fun, it's eccentric, but it speaks to a politics that is kind of stuck. >> jorge casaneda the anger in trump's

more likely the first star to fade in 2016 like michele bachmann herman cain and newt gingrich.i'm right, i doubt he has the resolution to hang on when it is pretty clear the race is unwinnable. the donald doesn't do second place, much less fifth, sixth or tenth in anything. what i can't fathom is his exit strategy. no way he tanks at the polls and goes quietly into the night, not with his ego. it has to be something big, something gran deo's, like what happened in 1992 when ross perot dropped out, got back in and finished third. he later said he had withdrawn because george herbert walker bush was planning to disrupt his daughter's wed wg with a computer altered picture. that's a billionaire's playbook for trump. what might he do? since escaped mexican drug lord put a price on mr. trump's head he could site the security wish and his family's wishes that he quit the race. the tweet attributed to el chapo says keep f'ing around and i will make you swallow your whore words, you f-king whily. melania is expecting baby number two, his sixth child with his third wife. just like sayin

everyone else seemed to have 2012, michelle bachmann got a month herman cain got a month. john huntsman never got a month. it never really picked up for him. he had huge money problems. they had to switch to a three state strategy to just focusing on new hampshire. john huntsman moved into the garden and lived there with his family. he did think at the end there was a surge coming his way. the huntsman's were very excited about it. they have this packed victory party but at the end they came in heard and although huntsman stood on stage that night and said this is a ticket to ride and we are going to south carolina, he knew was over. he knew was over that night. he did want to say that to the people who are excited in the room who had worked so hard for him but he knew his six-month campaign had come to a screeching hault. >> at that point of course has had much more presidential campaigning experience and you write in the book that the top romney aide called huntsman a knapp, an annoyance. >> the romney people knew that huntsman had no chance. he just worked for barack ob

and this was supposed to be the not herman cain, michele bachmann they tried last time.to be the republicans what they were calling their deep bench, their substantive roster, all of these accomplished candidates, mainstream enough to win the general ewith resumes at the top tier of american politics. but for much of the summer republican voters said by an increasingly wide margin instead what they actually want is the eye of the tiger guy, they want the sweary, come over, forget about it over business man guy who never held elected office and probably for a reason. republican voters say they want a candidate who agrees with them, that's what they tell pollsters, way more attractive than a candidate who can win in the general election. that's what they say in the polls. at least in the early stages of this race. the guy who republican voters apparently think agrees with them is this reality tv show business man guy, donald trump. donald trump has been saying he wants the bad guys to suffer since the dawn of his time on the national stage for going on 30 years now. in jun

we saw in 2012 was this six-week trend where these candidates like a rick perry or santorum or herman cain would rise on six weeks, and then plateau. then at the end of six weeks we see them go down. donald trump just hit six weeks. >> we should note. >> let's start -- we'll pay close attention next week with thele polls. >> if he ticks up you have to come back and explain. >> we'll be stumped further. >> thank you very much. >> my pleasure. >>> there is a lot more ahead including hillary clinton ramping up her campaign with a page out of president obama's playbook. plus on the tenth anniversary of hurricane katrina there is one person visiting new orleans today that might make you say really? seriously? him? but not every insurance company understands the life behind it. those who have served our nation. have earned the very best service in return. ♪ usaa. we know what it means to serve. get an auto insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life. they don't worry if something's possible. they just do it. at sears optical, we're committed to bringing them eyewear that