joining us now, cnn analyst mark hertling. in terms of ukraine's fight against russia, are these cross border raiders affective? >> in all of those ways anderson. when you are conducting raids or demonstrations, it causes the enemy to take a look at what they are doing, and where they are defending. what you ar e talking about along the border between ukraine and russia on the eastern part of the country, is close to probably 1000 kilometers, 600 or 700 miles. the russians cannot defend across that entire length and breadth, so anytime you have a raid like this that gets in very quickly, causes a little bit of disruption and some chaos, and then moves out very quickly, you see the enemy reacting to that. just like the russians did. the russians claim they killed 70 of these raiders. it is just not true. you can tell by talking to that commander just now that he didn't lose a whole lot of people, in fact he said he lost one soldier and two were wounded. but it caused a lot of disruption on the russian side. >> what do you make

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let's get more from retired hertling. always great to see you. appreciate your perspective, sir. not the first time that we've seen russia target civilian infrastructure, but this attack specifically on a clinic, a hospital that treats patients with mental illnesses. this seems especially egregious. >> it is, boris. when you take a look at the targeting russia has executed throughout this campaign, as you just said, they have targeted hospitals, schools, civilian infrastructure, civilian apartment buildings with some of the most devastating of weapon systems. in just looking from afar at that building, that was 1,000-pound or greater bomb that hit that thing. it was a missile or a bomb or something. but it was huge. it wasn't just a small thing. it was purposeful because that hospital is in the middle of a very large town, dnipro. again, it just summarizes the russian way of war. as sam said, they've done it before in syria and chechnya, all the other places they have fought. it just exacerbates the suffering of the people of the country they are going up against. >> so, in your

. >>> i want to bring in retired lieutenant general and cnn military analyst mark hertling.ht now for this expected ukrainian counteroffensive against the russians? >> they are, wolf. most assuredly. what you're talking about, though, when a force goes on the offensive, they have to consolidate their forces coming from all different directions throughout europe from various training centers. it's a requirement to get a set, the ukrainians are doing that right now, but here's the thing. a ukrainian commander has the ability to do two things right now, pick the time and the place of the attack. and once he picks that, he's going to go full force. so, some of these things that we're seeing right now as distractions in and around bakhmut and north of bakhmut, some of the other cities, those will all pail in significance once this offensive takes place. >> "the washington post" is reporting that leaked documents show the head of the wagner group offered to give the location of russian troops to ukraine if ukraine pulled its own forces back from bakhmut. how do you interpret that?

>>> joining us to discuss is lieutenant general mark hertling.to you in the morning because you give such good analysis. i want to ask you first about russia, which has scaled back its victory day, which wouldn't seem like a big deal except they have had someone, we don't know who, had a drone hit the kremlin and then of course you have this war going on in the background. they tried to tell their citizens wasn't a war at first, it was even illegal to say the word. so what does it tell you this display where there's just a single tank on the grond and then you see the young soldiers there as well? >> sara, it's great to talk to you, too. when i woke up to the pictures of the may day parade i was just appalled. i mean, it was fascinating to see what little they were doing in a parade that's supposed to capture the imagination and the heritage of the old soviet union. it was -- i mean, it was just laughable to have one tank with a soviet flag. they did have other vehicles, but they were old, they were trucks, there weren't any combat equipment in t

army lieutenant hertling. let me just ask you, the implication there is that the soldiers, they don't know when, they don't know where, the soldiers on the ground, but that perhaps it may be that ukraine is literally waiting to see where russia pulls and moves troops away, and then creates the counteroffensive there. do you think that's what's happening? i know that obviously you've written an op-ed talking about why this seems to have been taking so long, this much-anticipated counteroffensive. >> there was so much in nic's report just now from a military perspective that would be glossed over by anyone else. but i got to tell you, what he's talking about is, yes, they are looking for activity within the russian lines so the ukrainians can use it to their advantage. but i got to tell you, i believe that the ukrainians have already plotted their contingency operations for their offense. they know where they're going to go. they just want to get some last-minute information, some intelligence so they can shape

i want to go to retired army general mark hertling, the former commanding general of europe. and adviser to the ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy. thanks very much to both of you. general, since fred was just talking about bakhmut, this is fascinating what we're seeing happening. russia is now saying it's captured bakhmut. you see the champagne showers that the wagner mercenaries are doing. ukraine says, no, the fighting for bakhmut continues. they'll fight for every single inch. what is actually happening there? >> it's tough to explain, erin, because we're looking literally at powerpoint maps often and we're seeing red areas and yellow areas, and it doesn't really give the situation in terms of the terrain. the ukrainian forces, as i've watched them, have pulled out of bakhmut. they have done a very good withdrawal, and they are now in the high ground in three areas to the northwest and southwest. they can control the city via the high ground. so russia is basically commanding rubble right now, a town that they have destroyed. they are now in the middle of it. there i

. >>> and now "outfront" retired army general mark hertling of the 7th army. you heard there from the former prime minister, kasyanov saying that shows how nervous putin is about the coming offensive. from a military standpoint, what would russia be trying to do with those strikes? >> they're trying to interfere with their connection between the political body and the decision makers in the kyiv government, president zelenskyy with his field generals, general zaluzhnyy. there's been messaging on the internet saying that president zelenskyy has approved that plan. now i think russia is really -- it's not just going after ukraine as former prime minister k kasyanov said but more to interfere with the command and control structure between the political leaders of kyiv and the front lying generals all along the front line. >> and there's reporting out there we talked about earlier in the show where some of these missiles they're useing are millions of dollars apiece. this is precious arsenal for russia. what do you make of that? >> well, it certainly is for russia

that such missiles will make crimea unusable for russian troops, and another retired general mark hertlingthat the storm shedeu , although they have a slightly shorter range than the american attacks, have a greater striking capacity . right now and why exactly these missiles , how are the decisions in great britain explained? well , as for london, the prime minister of the british government decided in february that britain had decided to provide long-range missile weapons to ukraine in response to the bombardment with cruise missiles and other striking means that russia has used in the bombardment of ukraine for over a year. so this is an expected step regarding why exactly these missiles are on the way, it is obvious that a number of considerations make sense here well, first of all, because britain has them, and according to some data , there are from seven hundred to 1,000 such missiles in the british arsenal . they obviously fit ukraine in terms of technical characteristics, because they are launched from planes, and this means that it was necessary to think about how british-french

army europe and 7th army retired general mark hertling. great to have you here. the f-16, what difference would that make? >> it is a dual purpose for ground attack and combat air controls. the air force has determined that they can train already trained ukrainian pilots in a shorter period of time, three to four months. untrained pilots will take longer. that does not account for the supply, the maintenance. so whereas all of this talk today is a commitment to send these aircraft which president zelenskyy wants, it's going to take a long time. we will not -- i predict we will not see these in any upcoming offensive in the next two or three months. >> you used the "o" word there, offensive. there is been this wait for this ukrainian spring offensive for some time. we rarely have you here to draw on the big wall here. what would some of the complicating factors be for the ukrainians in launching this offensive? >> the first complicating factor is getting the troops there. these brigades, ba tall yons have been training all over europe, so there is an integration p

. >> i want to go straight now to the retired army lieutenant general mark hertling.sia evacuating 3,000 people from the front line in zaporizhzhia where nick is tonight due to increased shelling. they've got lines of buses, they're using those to transport people away. now, zaporizhzhia, of course, has been seen as a major target likely in the coming ukrainian counteroffensive. so what do you think russia is doing here? >> first of all, zaporizhzhia is an entire oblast. so you're talking about several hundred square kilometers. make no mistake. russia is not evacuating these people for humanitarian reasons. what they're doing is taking citizens away so that they don't help the incoming ukrainian forces that are coming in. it's the same thing the nazis did in france where they killed resistance fighters, they moved fighters away so that they couldn't help the allies when they were coming in to france and then later into germany. so that's what they're doing. they're getting rid of the population so they can't help and spot where russians are. they can't tell the ukrai

. >> lieutenant general mark hertling, thank you as always for sharing this tradition with us, for sharing those words with us, and of course, for your service. we appreciate you and every day. >> thank you. thanks. >>> the next hour of "cnn this morning" starts right now. >>> it's off to smart for the seventh game. tipped in, but the buzzer sounded. it will be reviewed. >> i don't think he got that in in time. >> oh, they're saying on the floor -- they're counting it! the celtics are going to win! there's a game seven back in boston! >> good morning, everyone. i mean, the ultimate buzzer-beater there, when they didn't know for a moment, did they get it in, did they not. is it going to count? oh, it counted. and tonight the boston celtics will try to make the greatest comeback in nba playoff history if they beat the miami heat tonight, the celtics would be the first-ever team to win game seven after losing the first three games of the series. >>> also this morning, we are about to get an update from officials in davenport, iowa, where a search and rescue operation is underway after a six-s

. >> lieutenant general mark hertling, thank you as always for sharing this tradition with us, for sharingy. >> thank you. thanks. >>> the next hour of "cnn this morning" starts right now. >>> it's off to smart for the seventh game. tipped in, but the buzzer sounded. it will be reviewed. >> i don't think he got that in in time. >> oh, they're saying on the floor -- they're counting it! the celtic

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