hhs. we are in review for qualification for services. we hope to issue that later this month or at least before the next board meeting. this rfq will allow to have a prequalified list of vendors that we can then contract for and without having to go through a full rfp process. the communication, the vendors would be for health benefits and wellness communication consulting services. these are large rubrics of services. it's communication strategies, design, eligibility, website engineering, wellness tuesday and digital support services. so we cannot come forward right now and give you a list of vendors that we ask to not talk to you. we try to get as much as possible prequalified list of vendors and we continue to work on the website or work on the communication strategy for the wellness well being strategy. so, in looking at the advice that we would like to get in terms of the blackout period, we went back to the governance policy and when there is a provision that is not possible when a time of providers for which the blackout period p

by taking all reasonable to determine if providers communicate with our potential candidates in an hhs search process. so while this is a little higher categories in saying specific to data warehouse or fsa, we are asking that you avoid discussing this r fq to this type of vendors. there is ability for this board to communicate with vendors for reasons that aren't related to hhs business disclosing with directions within the actual policies and the agenda item on how to disclose them. what we are hoping as much possible is to be able to send out these types of documents, rfp's, rfq, to as many people as possible to qualify so that we have a rich group of members to be able to choose from. so, and that's basically the foundation of san francisco government is to provide everybody as much as possible, the ability to at least try to get a city contract. i'm sorry i can't give you a list of the vendors, just ask that you observe this blackout period by if someone would come talk to you about services or ask questions to refer them to the department. >> i completely understand the issues of

we could just call it hhs wellness. the programs are interesting and relevant and i think people will participate. the band is not a necessary component for success, but it does boost recognition and makes it more identifiable and ties it altogether, all the different aspect of the program. we are going to have a fragmented program where they are pulling components, maybe they are getting something from blue shield and kaiser and something in-house that we are funding. putting it inside the umbrella is a way of roupding -- rounding it up and having people understand it's part of this one unified recognition. stay strong and live long is what city employees have which is we are working harder to get to a place where we can enjoy a retirement. you get people that have a long tenure an that's the thing that keeps them motivated. i'm going to have a retirement. if you reach your retirement age in poor emotional or physical health because of the life habits that you have you really haven't gained much. you've worked all of t

>> i can't tell you that, sir, because i don't know that. >> how can it be that hhs in charge of thisam cites a number, 4.2 million people signed up, but has no idea how many people paid? >> nothing in this plan will require you or your employer to change your coverage or your doctor. >> if you like your plan, and you like your doctor, you won't have to do a thing. you keep your plan. you keep your doctor. >> for the average person, many folks who don't have health insurance initially, you know, they're going to have to make some choices, and they might end up having to switch doctors, in part because they're saving money. >> along with the issues with healthcare.gov and the number of people who have not signed up, there have been 34 obamacare delays and administrative fixes since 2012. some of the delays were due to the administration having trouble meeting the law's own deadlines. while others have been to appease the critics of obamacare and those who began receiving cancellation notices. >> we received our letter. i think now it's in the state of washington, we're up to 290,000 of

but there's been no response from hhs or cms about that. seems to me that we are to a point where, instead of just circling the wagons against all the political arrows that are shot against this plan, we need a little more accountability and we need to ensure that the next enrollment period is not handled as poorly as the last one. i'm very interested in answers to the questions that the chairman raised at the beginning of the searing. we haven't gotten them yet, and i hope that we do get them. we come at this from a different perspective. but taxpayers deserve to get their money's worth. i think much of the focus as it relates to in person assistance needs to be defined, anderson, mr. chairman, some of these questions i've been racing since last fall can be submitted by you with your questions for prompt answers, such as how much it costs us are person who is actually insured through the exchange for some of these contractors have been providing these services. to washington beltway contractors have been paid $9 million for in person assis

hhs administers dental for the unified school district and the community college district. those are administered separately. looking for those that we administer dental for we had an increase for 1075 lives for those dental plans with 600 being our retirees. some high level notes when we look at all of our lives in 2014. interesting to note the number of lives over 65 years decrease by 1036 individuals which we thought was pretty significant. we can only do a couple things. it looks like sampling of those records and in fact any of those members deceased and we did have a lot of members that were significantly older. a higher percentage of our members that live in san francisco are without dependents and of course that's consistent with what we see in terms of migration with families in san francisco. next slide. thank you. what we did know about our employees is that 45 percent of them have no dependents and 65 percent that do have dependents 39 percent have a spouse or partner and 27 percent of those have employees e plus two coverage so they are coverage two or more dep

hhs. when i did the financial report i mentioned a figure of $68 million, in that is a figure we have to set aside for commitment. one if you want to call it a reserve is $6.6 million and that is the aco's incentive payments in the event that we have to pay out. >> thank you, i appreciate that. so, can you help me understand why we would no include that in the incurred loss ratio. because if we do end up paying it out, we will have to refill that bucket out of the premium in the next year. should we in really looking at the performance add the claims pay out to it? >> your point is well-taken. so i wouldn't disagree with it. we could have added the $6 million. the balance sheet holds that money already. so at the time i introduced this, it didn't. i could say if we are going to be really true to the pin, we could spread it across all various categories of business. >> right, the good news if we add the 2.6 to the 18. we are still under the 230. that's the good news. >> yes. >> i would sugg

or will you have to seek more money from congress or reprogram existing funds at hhs? >> i think if congress funds the president's budget that is written to the targets agreed upon by senator murray and representative ryan, this would fully fund the ongoing implementation of the affordable care act. we start with that proposal hoping indeed they will fund it. so what was the appropriate target for implementation covered by a user fee is. said the projected user fee income for 2015? if congress fails to pass a budget or implement the president's budget then we will look at other sources of funding for the full implementation that we intend to go forward by user fees are a significant feature in the budget request. >> what percentage is user fees of the budget? is it an increase? >> i will call on walter. >> we have $61 million that the one is a. >> guest: is medical safety that 61 million small portion to the 5 million represents about. >> what is the figure? >> we can give it to you later now have a lot of detail but a great percentage comes from user fees. >> as long

i'm pleased to have witnesses from both gao and the hhs with us today. to discuss the types and functions of medicare contractors and how the program can better manage them to meet its goals. i would note that the hhs oig is releasing two new reports today on these topics and i look forward to the testimony of all of our witnesses. with that i will yields back and recognize the ranking member for five minutes for an opening statement. >> thank you mr. chairman for holding today's hearing on the management of medicare. for nearly 50 years medicare has served as the bedrock program for nation seniors and disabled which started as a basic benefit covering hospital stays and doctors visits has continuously evolved and encompasses conference of health care coverage that millions rely on but in order to build on the promise of the program congress and the administration must continue to find ways to strengthen the program so it works better or beneficiaries and taxpayers alike. the centers for medicare and medicaid services known as cms is tasked with the crit

but there has been no response from hhs or cms about that. seems to me that we are to a point where instead of just circling the wagons against all the political arrows shot against this plan, we need a bit more accountability. we need to make sure that the next enrollment is not handled as poorly as the last one. i am very interested in answers to the questions that the chairman raised at the beginning of this hearing. we have not gotten them yet and i hope that we do. we come at this from a different perspective. taxpayers deserve to get their moneys worth. i think that much of the focus as it relates to in person assistance needs to be to find out -- and i assume, mr. chairman, that some of these questions can be submitted by you with your questions for answers, such as how much it cost us, per person who is actually insured through the exchange, for some of these contractors that have been providing the services. washington, beltway contractors paid $9 billion for in person assistance in texas. i have been able to find out what it costs p

now hhs have actually been getting back to me. they never answer the questions in the e-mails that i ask. there were certain questions about the conference calls, that the white house is having with hhs and enroll america. on a weekly basis. and they're coordinating with them very closely on a day-to-day basis. and so i asked, do you think this -- how do you say you don't know, specifically about the fund-raising when there's all this coordination going on, and they just sidestepped the question. >> so much for that so called transparency when you get answers and documents. nice to see you. good luck with your investigation. hope you get more documents. >> he too. >>> coming up in new jersey, judge blasting a teenager for showing gross disrespect for her parenting. the teen suing her parents for support after she left home h. and >>> and a terrifying scene, a test test leaves home, then suing her parents for living and school expenses. she lost in round one, but did she open the floodgates? >> what would the next step be, dependin

is to show the hhs mandate as a least restrictive means. host: explain where that test came from for those that aren't familiar with it. guest: this is a strict scrutiny test you see under various constitutional doctrines. it was actually the test under the free exercise clause from the 60's up until the 1990's when the supreme court called division v smith, that is no longer under the exercise clause. unanimously nearly the freedom of restoration act, which restored, as a statutory manner, the standard that had applied previous to the smith decision as a constitutional manner under the free exercise clause an. to show the mandate advances a compelling governmental interest. thatecond is to show through the least restrictive means. i think it is easy for the challengers of the mandate to say that the government did provide this accommodation to religious nonprofits that you say is less restrictive means. why not also revive that to us? -- also provide that to us? host: can you talk about the religious freedom restoration act, the history of

so certainly the topic of the administration's hhs mandate, which puts the church and many catholicsifficult position. you mentioned the supreme court hearings just a couple days ago about violating their conscious. when president obama and pope benedict met in 2009, certainly the topic of religious freedom and the protection of life was high on the agenda. >> let's listen for just a second because this is one of the beautiful ceremonies that we see inside the walls of the vatican. >> this will be a protocol leading a procession. may even feel a little prayer ritual. we see the men surrounded by the swiss guard. this is their domain. not all swiss guard wear the decorated uniforms. some would look like secret service agents. we can see president obama really as we talked about a moment ago soaking in the ambience. he's on his way to be greeted by the pope as the pope steps out of a door and shakes his hand. so the first thing we will see will be a very brief greeting and then their meeting will take place behind closed doors and in secret. >> it's very interesting when you look at th

eliminate duplication or apparent duplication of programs within your various hhs agencies.ecifically of an aggressive on-call program that's running in cdc's which seems to me to duplicate efforts that should be being done by sampson or nih are some of the other agencies but i wonder if you could address that our comment at any rate? >> again, i would be happy, dr. freedman is your as well as spam, to talk about the specifics. i can tell you not only at budget time but basically each and every day we look for duplication of effort, ways to streamline efficiencies, ways to lower administrative costs and push more of our resources toward programs that i to benefit the people we serve. our discretionary budget proposal for 2015 is actually over a billion dollars lower than the discretionary budget for 2014. so again, we were targeting a number that assumed a reduction and redundancies are sorted one of the areas that we look. since cdc doesn't really run a lot of dreck programs, they do more surveillance and stance actually pushes money in block grants, largely to states and l

then, there's the number hhs has not provided, the number of those who have signed up for health care previously uninsured. hhs secretary kathleen sebelius is pointing to the latest gallup that showed the first of uninsured americans dropped to 15.9%. it's not every day an obama person cites gallup. yesterday, sebelius was quizzed by republicans and said the administration would not push the october 31st deadline or the penalty if folks don't sign up. >> are you going to delay the mandate that individuals have to buy government-approved health care or pay a tax? >> no, sir. >> are you going to delay the open enrollment beyond march 31st. >> no, sir. >> is it correct you don't have the authority to extend that deadline? >> there is no delay beyond march 31st. >> so no extension of the enr l enrollment period, but quietly the administration has already issued a rule providing a hardship exemption for those with cancelled plans who prove they cannot find affordable coverage. it's pretty easy to avoid the penalty. what does success look like now for the administration on march 31st on tha

is to show the hhs mandate as a least restrictive means. host: explain where that test came from for those that aren't familiar with it. guest: this is a strict scrutiny test you see under various constitutional doctrines. it was actually the test under the free exercise clause from the 60's up until the 1990's when the supreme court called division v smith, that is no longer under the exercise clause. unanimously nearly the freedom of restoration act, which restored, as a statutory manner, the standard that had applied previous to the smith decision as a constitutional manner under the free exercise clause an. to show the mandate advances a compelling governmental interest. thatecond is to show through the least restrictive means. i think it is easy for the challengers of the mandate to say that the government did provide this accommodation to religious nonprofits that you say is less restrictive means. why not also revive that to us? -- also provide that to us? host: can you talk about the religious freedom restoration act, the history of

the reason people missed it, it was not in the allooccasion for hhs. which is where most of obama care is rolling out for. it was in the allocation of the treasury department that oversees the irs. they will be administer ared by the irs under the treasury department umbrella. and people can say, and there is reason for it, that tax credits are not the same as spending, but the bottom line is, it adds to the deficit. 60 billion in tax credits and mostly small companies who can't afford to pay for the insurance is going to add to the deficit. extra spending by definition adds to the deficit. by the way, to be fair here cbo is saying it will be a billion. but excuse me, 18. >> 8 billion. >> and well, the point is, they are claiming to get the money back eventually once obama care begins to pay off. the money that we spend on tarp spending, most of that money was paid back and there are precedents for companies that receive bail outs and paying back that money. it is anybody's guess. and judging on the basis of how obama care has gone so far, i don't thin

hhs, the third area, area of appeals, hhs recently convened a cross agency work group to look at the appeals process. we have much to do. we need your help. we urge you. i ask you to please give me feedback in the areas. you guys have been fantastic partners with us. our cost trend would not be where they are today without the work you've done. our quality would not be where it is today without hard work in the organization, and now i ask for your help in improving the rack process and any other areas you think we can benefit from. thank you for today and, chip, happy to have a question or to if that's helpful. [applause] >> she'll take two questions, but we have questions from the audience. >> i'm okay with no questions. [laughter] >> okay. oh, i see one. if you could please give your name, serial number, where you are from, and your company. >> absolutely. i'm allen with medela. the continuing care,ed providers rely heavily on the dmv network and program of competitive bidding. a lot of talk around that. your thoughts on a move forward plan. >> yes. i understand that we need to kee

hh un juez nego al chapo juzman un recurso de amparo.e no hay solicitud formal de las autoridades estadounidenses. >> ahora pasamos a venezuel donde se conmemora el primer aniversario del ex presidente chávez. >> el canal tiene una visita y un desfile miliutar, por la muerte del presidente hugo chávez, que por cierto participó el mandatario cubano raúl castro, presencia rechazada por los detractores del presidente nicolás maduro y del chavismo en general, y un hecho curioso se presentó cuando en el recibimiento la bandera cayó al piso cuando reventó el hilo de su bandera cuando se rendian honores, el presidente nicolás maduro se dirigió a los presentes, dice que hay países lacayos que quieren promover la intervención internacional, asegura que el país esta normal, no pasa nada, pero las protestas continúan, acá mismo en caracas pueden ver la situación en este momento y más temprano en una plaza del este de la ciudad está la esposa de leopoldo lópez recibiendo cartas del común también su madre y el movimiento estudiantil con un manifiesto

an hhs spokeswoman saying we've experiencing a surge in demand and making sure we'll be ready to helprs who may be in line by the deadline to complete enrollment either online or over the phone. ed henry traveling with the president in brussels. ed, with all the delays leading up to the deadline, it was easy to predict the deadline would be delayed, too, right? >> that's right. good to see you, gretchen. the bottom line is the president's aides in europe would rather talk about ukraine or u.s. role with nato than dealing with this sticky domestic issue. thaer saying, look, there's nothing to see here. move along. jay carney telegraphed in a briefing in washington, if people were waiting in line, they would try to accommodate them just like they did in the run-up to december 31st deadline. what they are leaving out is jay carney and a stream of other officials also repeatedly said there would be no extension to the deadline. >> we have no plans to extend the open period. open enrollment ends march 31st. we don't have the statutory authority to extend the enrollment period in 2013. >> a

. >> but hhs secretary kathleen sebelius just said rates would go up in 2015. the president did say the risk pool is already large enough that he's confident the exchanges will be stable. a view not shared by the insurance community. bret. >> jim, thank you. >>> other obamacare stories making headlines today, the house of representatives has approved a bill to patch the doc fix, so physicians who take medicare patients don't see a 24% dip in their reimbursement rate. meanwhile, a health and human services official quit with a scathing letter, saying the frustration with the profoundly dysfunctional federal bureaucracy left him offended as a taxpayer. >>> now to the standoff over ukraine. secretary of state john kerry standing beside his russian counterpart earlier today, with a look that said it all. just two days until a major vote in crimea, and there's no sign the iced over east-west stalemate is thawing at all. doug mckelway has the story from the white house. >> secretary of state john kerry emerged from six-hour talks with russian foreign minister sergey

. >> how can it be that hhs, in charge of this program, cite diseas >> consumers don't pay up, they pay their insurance company. >> is it plausible to think that secretary sebelius doesn't know who has paid and who hasn't? >> reporter: it's a great question, and one would think that hhs knows, cms knows that what some ballpark of that number would be, because obviously they're dealing with insurance companies. they're talking to insurance companies, and originally the obama care website was supposed to be able to sign up people for obama care and through the website you were supposed to be able to pay your premium. that back end service never really developed. so there was kind of like a sign up and then you pay directly to the insurance companies and the back end kind of got screwed up in the process. they should be able to give you a ballpark, but so far they haven't been able to do that. >> they need the insurance companies for some information, but for others, they can't seem to get their hands on it. so it does seem to be a big mystery. i do want to listen to an exchange here. beca

maybe my initial hhs rule on contraception went too far, but i've been trying to compromise with you guys. let's try to start over. i think this visit gives the president an interesting opportunity to reach out again to the catholic leadership and see if a somewhat better relationship can be established in the final years in office. >> do you see that, kate? we've said this many times, the pope has not changed its stand, things like abortion. certainly they disagree on the contraception mandate, gale marriage, but do you think there's an opening somewhere? >> absolutely. >> it's interesting this meeting took place during lent, a time of great reflection for christians and catholics around the world. i think each man could give the other something to reflect about. pope francis could certainly challenge president obama to do more on economic justice, and president obama could challenge the pope to take a similar journey the president took on, you know, accepting gay marriage. in e.j.'s column this morning in "the washington post," he said, you know maybe the president should ask the p

let me read you what hhs said in the regulation -- "with certain particularly significant protections, particularly significant protections, congress required grandfathered health plans to comply with a subset of the affordable care act's health reform provisions. on the other hand, grandfathered health plans are not required to comply with certain other requirements of the affordable care act; for example, the requirement that preventive health services be covered without any cost sharing." so isn't hhs saying there, quite specifically, these, in our view, are not within this subset of particularly significant requirements as to which there must be immediate compliance? >> well, the question would be whether there's a compelling interest in compliance with these requirements. and i'd like to make two points in response to your honor's question. first, with respect to the issue of delay, which i think, mr. chief justice, your question raised, and my friend on the other side has put a lot of weight on, i'd refer the court to the ada. i don't think anybody would doubt that the americans

hhs says that problem has now been resolved. the data hub that verifies identities was always working and so were functions at the website for users with existing accounts as well as some features like window shopping. this morning, though, another software bug required another set of repairs, and that required hhs to extend their regularly scheduled maintenance window later than they would have liked. that problem, though, fixed as well. there is another issue with the website, though, for users trying to get on right now. too much traffic. if you click log in at the top of the home page at healthcare.gov, more often than not today, so far at least, a page has popped up notifying visitors that there are just a lot of people on the site right now and there's a prompt asking users to enter an e-mail address so that administrators can forward you an invitation to return to the site when it is ready and able to handle your traffic. earlier today, i entered my e-mail, and it took four hours to get a reply back. the 800-number that's

hhs cannot be delaying things, this deadline forever. and it's true hhs has delayed a lot of things and sometimes the statutory authority for those delays is questionable. but this is delay that there is statutory authority for and that does make sense. >> well, i'm confused about that, because we've heard administration officials saying that this delay is only to mid-april. but to my understanding there's nothing in the language that says there's an end point to the delay, it appears to be open-ended and because it's on the honor system you don't know who is telling the truth or not. >> very fair statement. there is no finite number. when they announced the delay, they didn't say it was going to be until a certain date. and that's possible that they will extend it more. they have left themselves a little bit of wiggle room. >> jay, really appreciate you being here. thank you for your time. >> good to be here. >>> fair and balanced to an outspoken critic of the president's signature legislation, let's bring in michael tanner from the cat

let me read you what hhs said in the regulation -- "with certain particularly significant protections, particularly significant protections, congress required grandfathered health plans to comply with a subset of the affordable care act's health reform provisions. on the other hand, grandfathered health plans are not required to comply with certain other requirements of the affordable care act; for example, the requirement that preventive health services be covered without any cost sharing." so isn't hhs saying there, quite specifically, these, in our view, are not within this subset of particularly significant requirements as to which there must be immediate compliance? >> well, the question would be whether there's a compelling interest in compliance with these requirements. and i'd like to make two points in response to your honor's question. first, with respect to the issue of delay, which i think, mr. chief justice, your question raised, and my friend on the other side has put a lot of weight on, i'd refer the court to the ada. i don't think anybody would doubt that the americans

recent stay of -- for the little sisters of the poor against the state mandating that they follow the hhs is a clear kind of reiteration of those investty tour controversies. just the way in which those stories are cautionary about the relationship not work out well in the medieval period, there's lessons to be learned for our contemporary situation where the state ought not to be telling the church what to do. >> host: what is the painting on the front? >> guest: a painting they chose. i like it. i'm glad you observed that. it is a crossing of the river tiger in rome and there's a sense in which that is a fitting picture. i didn't choose it but i asked for it, pia tone, and that's what i asked to and they those the boat, which way is it going, going towards rome or is it going away from -- is it going -- is rom moving towards the church or moving away from the church you get that ambiguity in that etching which is nice and goes to the heart of the book. i didn't intend that but you're right, to point your finger at that. >> host: with vatican city on one side and the -- >> guest: that's

he gave me a lot of hhs timee he was incredibly cooperative.ese memos that he had written over tte years. >> stephen: how many hours did you talk to him? >> 30-plus hours of interviews. >> stephen: wow. so did you find out why we went to war in iraq? >> not so much. ( laughter ) >> stephen: i heard you said you actually know less about the reasons we went into iraq after talking to him than whee you started talking to him. >> yes. >> stephen: is there any chance that some day we won't know anything about why we went in? ( laughter ) ( applause ) and then eventually we'll just forget that we went in at all. ( applause ) ( cheers ) errol, thank you so much for joining me. errol morris, "the unknown known," in theaters, on itunes, on demand, april 4. go see it.% thank you. thank you. ( cheers and applause ). my tell 'em babe...how shemes doesn't solve the crimes. don't call babe ? we're not together. what? i have your lipstick all over my rim. look, this morning was great... it was, it was amazing, but it's over. over like, over...joyed? look i'm

that that is the case at all, i would settle for access to information from the epa, access from the hhsall manner of regulatory agencies, of the department of commerce that presently aren't able to say that the information they are denying the public is information that is somehow classified. or threatens national security, but i do belief the act was never contemplated as a tool to make it possible for people who have not been cleared and had special access granted to classified information to be able to achieve that. >> ryan right now you have about 700 in motion. and your dissertation has been declared a national security threat. >> sure. if i may respond to horace first. i agree that it was never intended to be a means to obtain properly classified information. however the drafters understood it was an attempt to get overly classified material. overclassification and improper classification was addressed as a major problem area -- >> is there more classified or unclassified information now? >> well, as the professor at harvard has demonstrated right now the universe of classified kn

there are a number of exceptions and some added after the hhs secretary said there would be no more. why has the administration in the simplest of terms kept extending deadlines in such a drib-drib fashion? >> the bottom line is when you have a start as bad as we had a start on october 1st, there's a lot of people that tried to do stuff to get enrolled on october 1 and weren't able to do it and last thing to do is deny the opportunity of coverage to wait for for years to get and so the point is give the extension to those folks started the process and not complete it. but i want to make sure we say one thing to everybody out there that has not started the process. if you don't start the process by midnight tomorrow night, you're stuck for the rest of this year without having access to health insurance coverage so we don't need to mince words about this. millions of people are getting covered. 6 million now. we expect the numbers to rise over 24 hours. >> beth, anton acknowledged it there. we know. the rollout itself was plagued with a host of problems. five key obamacare delays, five

. >> well, hhs secretary sebelius has practical by being a part-time resident of south florida.as visited our bear about five or six times just in recent months. she was just here yesterday once again touting the wonderful marvels of obamacare. it's interesting in one of her previous visits when she was touting the program, the healthcare.gov site crashed while all the reports were all around her. it has been a train wreck, it is a disaster. this last visit just yesterday, she's really preaching to the choir, to those folks who are already on the side of president obama. it's become sort of if you're with obama, then you have to say that obamacare has been a successes. here in florida, however, jamie, we have seen that senior citizens have become very much severely impacted by obamacare. why? because the president is taking the funds from medicare advantage, a very popular program for florida seniors, siphoning those funds to pay for a lot of the impact of obamacare, so it will not be a benefit for seniors form the young people are not signing up in the numbers they have watched

juan with hhs has also added this one that's on the screen it's number 14.ou experienced another hardship in obtaining health insurance documentation if possible. so think reason, juan would do. you can just claim a hardship. now, isn't the obama administration essentially exempting the core of obamacare the individual mandate? >> no. you know, the ardship exemption, gregg, existed in massachusetts which is the model, and it's been will for seven years. i -- been there are for seven years. typically, what they're looking for are people who have had a fire in their house, someone who's been the victim of domestic abuse, some catastrophic event -- gregg: you don't have to -- if you don't have to prove it, how could the irs actually investigate the millions of americans who would file it under the individual mandate? >> well, they will look at it. i mean, that's the point, that they will look at it. it's not a given. it's not the case that you just say, oh, yeah and it's done. that, i think, is an effort by people who are trying to undercut this obamacare and u

juan, this is far short of what president obama was looking for and the hhs. they were looking for 40%. that tells us that fewer young people -- their numbers, not ours. their numbers -- >> they were looking to sign up -- >> it's going to cost ah holot e to hold up the system. >> you need young people because you need healthy folks to pay into the system. if they can get somewhere near 30%, the insurance companies will be happy. to the first point, the insurance company has the data. they're the ones that are getting paid. that's the structure that was set up as on accomodation to republicans so this health care system would not take that business away from insurance companies. they're the ones that have the numbers. they're the ones that know if someone promised to pay has paid. just wait a second, you guys are so quick to put it down. one final point, you know what, i remember, was it richard nixon on "laugh in." george w. bush on "deal or no deal". >> wait a minute -- >> you guys were making the point that this was wrong for the president -- >> it is wrong

and had hhs learned about the delay by a white house official which suggest it was very political. >>e committee is concerned about the role of implementation. what is the resource for isa? >> there is not much legal recourse. there is political resource. he is raising attention to the issue and trying to find more documents to embarrass the white house. the treasury bill says this is temporary relief and it has happened before. it has, but it was very small, limited delays that had to with employer problems. the employer mandate hasn't been done because there is going to be political and economical problems with the i implementation. >> we were surprised they knew about the delay prior to the program. this raises questions about whether the fact they directed the man datedet for political problems. >> yeah, if it were just problems, you would have hhs saying we need more time. but this came from the whoite house. you should go to congress and delay it the right way but they don't want them trying to change it. >> what is the incentive to delay this employer mandate? >> it applies to

asian pacific islanders union and the filipino club on campus and the chinese student association and hhss the south asian club, and the african-american student union, meccha which is the latino club on campus and the vietnamese student union and caman ohawayy. >> those are a lot of groups. >> at the same time maybe you want to learn from them as well. >> oh, yeah, totally. i'm half hispanic and half filipino, so i don't know a lot about those cultures anyway so when i came to santa clara it was really cool to just see all of the different traditions everyone else participates in and so i learn from meccha and varcatta and i learn from the japanese association and the vietnamese association and how so many people are totally into their backgrounds and their families. >> my college rm mate javier the xman is filipino-mexican and he calls himself flexican. why don't you tell us about what people are looking for? >> it is on market street right next to santa clara university and there will be performers there. we have all different types of performers including ballet folkloric on and a cap

the theological problem is moral cooperation with specifically including the government through hhs is specifically naming these particular things. it's not just one thing among many others. the government is pushing so hard back on hundreds of places and dozens of places that have highlighted. a firm went along with this and making it even more clear. we are talking about a grave matter and what is called material cooperation. people who act in the corporation to tell of the third-party, this is for the religious institutions, i will not do what you do well for a family like the grains and others who are religious film running for-profit corporations, specifically making insurance decisions. it is not even a question of whether it is theological literature. this constitutes a cooperation. so, i think that is pretty clear and the government really is not going to baby get past that. what can i add a couple of things? >> i agree with all of that, helen. the idea that somebody looks at that and say it is about complicity and this is continue waited. -- continuated. -- attenuated. it is n

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