hicks, to the sunday talk shows and ambassador susan rice. she blamed this attack on a video. in fact, she did it five different times. what was your reaction to that? >> i was stunned. my jaw dropped. and i was embarrassed. >> joining the panel this week, "wall street journal" columnist and deputy editor dan hanniger, foreign affairs columnist bret stevens, and political diary editor jason riley. dan, what's the single most important takeaway you had from this hearing? >> i guess, paul, it is that there is such a vast distance between what gregory hicks described as happening that night and what the administration described for a week. what gregory hicks described was an intense fightfight in benghazi lasting all night involving heavy weaponry. that's september 11. on september 13, jay carney attributes it this california youtube video. five days later, susan rice goes on television and says the same thing. and in fact, on the following tuesday, september 18, jay carney is still attributing this to a youtube video. why was the obama administration trying to suppress the event

hicks, who is second in command. so they didn't want hicks to tell the congressman what he knew about them hearing about it. >> exactly, and as the president has said and as secretary of state clinton has said if the goal is to get to the truth. if we really want to get this right as secretary clinton has said, then why try to impede and obstruct conversations between the chief of mission and a member of congress who is on the committee of jurisdiction? that makes no -- you want to get to the truth. >> bill: let me play devil's advocate. we are in the middle of a presidential race, all right? the obama people and hillary clinton know that this benghazi situation could negatively effect president obama's re-election. so, to have eyes and ears so they can refute anything a republican congressman would say ie chaffets they send their own guy to be in the room. that's probably why they did it, no? >> no. no. it could very well be the reason. but what i do know is mr. hicks has had 22 years of service to our country. held

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is what the issue is, point being that hicks was in tripoli.verything from all different perspectives. we have to keep that in mind. his perspective is colored by where he was and that's only one story. >> a.r.b. would have more credibility. >> that may be true. >> an old story of people at the top. >> so i think if you want to follow immigration reform you have to be reading "the l.a. time times". >> only "the l.a. times"? >> don't forget "chicago tribune." >> it's teacher appreciation week. >> i appreciate arlington public schools. th take that alexandria. >> we have 66,000 troops still on the ground in afghanistan. i have one in particular that i care very dearly about. i want him to come home safe and all of them to come home. >> that's it for this edition of "the daily rundown." we'll see you back here tomorrow. coming up next, chris jansing. on tomorrow's show, what you lived without the internet for a year? we'll find out. we'll see you tomorrow. >>> i'm meteorologist bill karins. thunderstorms in the forecast many areas of the country t

greg hicks told investigators that was simply not true. part of what he said, hicks, "i thought it was a terrorist attack from the get-go. y i think everybody in the mission thought it was a terrorist attack from the beginning. ch." question: "did you ever have any indication that there was a protest, a popular protest, outside the mission in benghazi?" >> greg hicks: no. >> question:if there was such a protest would that have been reported? >> "absolute for there to have been a demonstration on chris steven's front door and him not to have reported if is unbelievable." so missa mmr. issa, why wouldlet administration put out a story so different? >> bob, that's the great question. we can't find a classified reason for it. we can't find a diplomatic reason for it. understand gregory hicks who became the acting ambassador, witnessed our relationship with libya on this show go the wrong way because on this show, susan rice says it was a protest. the president, the elected president saying no it was a terrorist attack. you can't insult a forei

hicks and mr.nordstrom, when it comes to extra security, do you feel that we need more in some of the embassies across the world to make sure that those working have the very best protections? mr. hicks? >> thank you. there are two things. i appreciate the question. need the state department more training for people that are going to this critical places, not only for diplomatic security agents but for every day diplomats. we need to be a book -- in my opening statement i talked about my experience in bahrain of developing contacts to help us get through difficult times in 2002 when our embassy was attacked twice. and we were experiencing very severe anti-american demonstrations. we have to be able to engage. our diplomats have to be on the street. one of the reasons why we were perhaps caught off guard in benghazi is because for security purposes because we had personnel there, the consulate was basically on lock down. and so it was very difficult for our principal officer to get out and mingle wi

hicks --. hearing the first testimony from gregory hicks, the only american so far that was on the ground in libya sharing exactly what happened there from his own perspective the night our ambassador and three other americans were killed. his testimony will continue. we had to take a quick break. we want to note one thing that he shared that's of, the utmost importance. there are several things he shared that were very important but this being that the ambassador's body, once it was recovered was taken to a hospital, a hospital that in his words, in mr. hicks's words, is a hospital under enemy control. ansar al-sharia, the state department weeks after the attack in benghazi designated this group as part of or an alias of al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. important testimony coming up. quick break. we'll be right back with more in just a moment. >> trying to make a difference. we got adt because i walked in on a burglary once. the physical damage was pretty bad. the emotional toll was even wor

hicks you told us mr. gibson. armed services committee and i am interested in the stand down order. we want to know who gave colonel gibson the order and why. i would like to review that stand down order since you were with him since he was receiving that. you told us there was a c-130 transport that had been provided and you had indicated that he should go to reinforce benghazi. colonel gibson was told to stand down and that plane landed without his team. let's start with review what is colonel gibson's team. what was the personnel. what were they doing in libya? >> they are the remaining members of the special security team, a group of special, 14 special forces, personnel assigned to protect embassy tripoli after the return and reestablishment of the embassy in september of 2011. on the 1st of august, secretary of defense signed an order changing their status from being a security team to a training team and transferring the authority, their authority from the chief of missions, ambassador to general hamm. on a

hicks, to the sunday talk shows and ambassador susanlamed this attaa video. in fact, she did it five different times. what was your reaction to that? >> i was stunned. my jaw dropped. and i was embarrassed. >> though the committee's top democrat criticized darrell issa and his intentions. >> let me be clear, i am not questioning the motives of our witnesses. i am questioning the motives of those who want to use their statements for political purposes. >> late this afternoon congressman chaffetz asked hicks if the u.s. asked permission of the libyans to fly a military mission in its air space. hicks said no, but that he believed the libyans would have granted it. >> bret: mike emmanuel, thank you. there was particular focus today on the now infamous sunday talk show marathon by susan rice. you heard mike mention it. james rosen has that part of the story and more. >> every piece of information that we get and as we got it, we laid it out for the american people. >> if any administration official, including any career official had been on television on sunday,

hicks and mr.mes to extra security, a deerfield that we need more in some of the embassies across the world to make sure that those working have the very best protections? mr. hicks? >> thank you. there are two things. i appreciate the question. we in the state department need more training for people that are going to this critical places, not only for diplomatic security agents but for every day diplomats. we need to be a book -- in my opening statement i talked about my experience in bahrain of developing contacts to help us get through difficult times in 2002 when our embassy was attacked twice. and we were experiencing very severe anti-american demonstrations. we have to be able to engage. our diplomats have to be on the street. one of the reasons why we were perhaps caught off guard in benghazi is because for security purposes because we had so few personnel there the consulate was basically on lock down. and so it was very difficult for our principal officer to get out and mingle with the pe

hicks, to the sunday talk shows and ambassador susan rice. she blamed this attack on a video. in fact, she did it five different times. what was your reaction to that? >> i was stunned. my jaw dropped. and i was embarrassed. >> though the committee's top democrat criticized darrell issa and his intentions. >> let me be clear, i am not questioning the motives of our witnesses. i am questioning the motives of those who want to use their statements for political purposes. >> late this afternoon congressman chaffetz asked hicks if the u.s. asked permission of the libyans to fly a military mission in its air space. hicks said no, but that he believed the libyans would have granted it. >> bret: mike emmanuel, thank you. there was particular focus today on the now infamous sunday talk show marathon by susan rice. you heard mike mention it. james rosen has that part of the story and more. >> every piece of information that we get and as we got it, we laid it out for the american people. >> if any administration official, including any career official had been on television on sunday,

hicks. >> were any of the u.s.personnel not permitted to travel on a rescue mission or relief mission to benghazi? >> they were not authorized to travel. >> what happened with those personnel? >> they remained this tripoli with us. the medic went with the nurse to the hospital to lend his skills to the treatment and care of our wounded. >> how did the personnel react to being told to stand down? >> they were furious. i can only say -- well, i will quote lieutenant colonel gibson. he said, this ises is the first time in my career that a military person has more balls than a person in the government. >> steve: there have been some democrats who tried to -- and members of the lefty media, tried to paint gregory hicks as a guy with an ax to grind. according to my sources, hicks voted for hillary clinton in the primaries and voted for barak obama twice. he was clearly a government employee who simply wants the truth told and it was clear yesterday for the families of those people who lost loved ones. >> gretchen: it's i

hicks thinks it should of gone the other way. the apologists say that they wouldn't have got there on time. but there was no way to know at the time how long it would go. if that is a retrospective judgment. you did not know if it would be seven or 12 or 20 hours. that is not a factor. >> and you did not know at the time of the first attack but there would be a second. there was a good assumption that tripoli would be next. that is why they concentrated on destroying the classified materials, access to the hard drives, got prepared to evacuate. >> and they would not release the team to go to benghazi, i understand that. >> one of the reasons the critics are really upset here is because they think it was totallyobama's part to cover up everything because he was running on a national security platform, but i stand by my brother's statement which is, this should not be treated as a political football. this should be a fact-finding mission. are we equipped to deal with this kind of thing, moving forward? >> i would like to know what

hicks. apparently he was he he escoriar daring to talk to you. it sounds to me like there was an attempt at obstruction. this was hillary's chief of staff, as i understand it? >> i did go to libya. i didn't go to benghazi but i was in tripoli. i did meet with mr. hicks. and we heard testimony mr. hicks was coached ahead of time and did not allow me to speak to three individuals there, including mr. hicks. that the state department sent along a baby-sitter and take notes and minder of everything i did. this person, mr. hicks, was chastised by hillary clinton's chief. staff. >> i guess to cover their story or to merge their stories? >> an idea a member of congress trying to seek out the truth and they are being told not to allow that member of congress to have that conversation, i mean that's pretty stunning. >> one last question and i'll throw it out to both of you. do you see any obstruction issues, any potential criminal issues in all of this? >> well, i'll take that only because i'm a form

hicks not to speak out. i do think that gregory hicks, who is one of the people who was interviewed in the accountability review board process has been very animated in his discussion, and very forceful and compelling in his discussion today. and one wonders why is there this gap between what we thought we knew before from him and the interviews he's giving now to congressional investigators. i think that gap is substantial. that does not necessarily mean that there is a cover up. i can't explain it, but i believe there is new information, new color and new dimension to the question of what happened in bengahzi, this great tragedy and i think it's something that people on the state department--i've been it fascinated by the dod and state department an affirmation of key parts that of what gregory hicks laid out. if that is the case that should have been acknowledged and put out before today. >> john: p.j. how would you evaluate how the white house handled this issue. do you think it has shaped the president'

hicks' report is at odds with the obama administration's version. david martin reports. >> reporter: he is greg hicks, at the time, number two in tripoli. in an interview on ""face the nation,"" hicks states at first the attack was thought to be nothing more than a demonstration growing out of a similar protest that day in cairo. i thought it was a terrorist attack from the get-go. i think everybody in the mission thought it was a terrorist attack from the beginning. yet five days after the attack, this is how susan rice, the american ambassador to the u.n., described it. >> what our assessment is as of the present is, in fact, what it began spontaneously in benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in cairo. >> reporter: in the closing weeks of the presidential election, the obama administration appeared reluck land to admit that it had been hit by a terror attack. but it was pointed out that rice's statement directly contradicted the president of libya who appeared just before her on "face the nation."" >> there's no doubt t

>> hicks told investigators it may a big difference because u.n.mbassador susan rice referencing administration talking points called it a demonstration on television minutes after libya's leader called it an attack. hicks says that offended libya and made it hearter for the fbi to investigate. greg hicks testimony is that it is his opinion. >> weeks later in new york the president of libya was still upset about being essentially called out as either miss misinformed or lying on national tv in the u.s. suffice to say, it had an effect on diplomatic relations. >> the top democrat argues they were iced out of the investigation, calling it a "partisan report with reckless and false accusations." how do you answer the charge that what you're doing is partisan? >> well, i think that changing the talking points from the truth to an untruth is certainly partisan and likely for political reasons. but i think the better question is why are the democrats not just as upset that we didn't do all we could do to save american liv lives. >> i know the republicans

greg hicks was the number 2 man on the ground in libya. he became chief of mission after ambassador stevens died. he will be one of the whistle blowers who testifies. also, mark thompson, a former marine who is part of the counter terrorism bureau. he alleges, according to fox news reporting, james rosen, our chief washington correspondent that secretary clinton and the under secretary of state, patrick kennedy tried to cut the department's counter terrorism bureau out of the chain of reporting and decision-making after benghazi. we are back with the panel. james, we should point out, as well as steve, you have done some great reporting on this in the past few days. what do we make of all of these things? i mean, these are big developments ahead of this wednesday hearing. >> they are. i think that's really, in some ways, the story. can you go back to your conversation with brit. is this sort of critical mass where you get members, democratic members of congress like stephen lynch in effect the talking points were scrubbed. they were bogus,

house gop chairman daryl issa calls hicks a benghazi whistle-blower, saying hicks will testify this week believe the pentagon made a mistake by not scrambling f-15s to fly over, arguing it would have scared the attackers and might very well have prevented some of the bad things that happened that night, hicks told gop investigators. then defense secretary leon panetta argued by the time military response could have arrived the attack was over. >> this is not 911. you cannot just simply call and expect within two minutes to have a team in place. >> reporter: hicks will bolster gop claims that obama officials knew from the start it was not what they publicly suggested. i think everybody in the mission thought it was a terrorist attack from the beginning hicks cole investigators saying slain embassy chris stevens' final report was, greg, we are under attack. earlier this year, hillary clinton snapped at republicans for dwelling on questions about what sparked the attack. the fact is we have four dead americans. what difference at this point does it make? >> reporter: hicks told investigator

hicks, did you have a response as well? >> being under siege or in a hostile environment where we are surrounded by potential threats. we wanted to move towards normal life and a withdrawal of extra ds personnel. and managing more of a problem that included the recruitment of libyans to provide the security we need. >> thank you. were you planning on bringing her to libya? you mentioned your what being a part of the decision process. were you planning on bringing her to libya since it was normalized? >> i was actually selected by the assistant secretary for affairs. >> we spent a lot of time in lebanon together. a good man. as to family returning to libya,normalization means you bring back -- with that part of what was going on? >> that is what we were reporting towards. -- we were pointing towards. we had a long talk before he left for benghazi and we felt optimistic about the trajectory, even though all the security problems were going on. we thought the libyans were getting their political act together. it were going to

hicks said he asked for fighter planes to do a flyover of benghazi. he says it would have scared off the terrorists and prevented the second attack. well, defense department says there that the planes stationed over in italy needed to be refueled en route and there was no tanker in the area to do it. let's take on the charges. let's take a look at them. we're joined by andrea mitchell, nbc's chief foreign affairs correspondent and host, of course, of "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. let's get to this first charge. gregory hicks, deputy chief of our embassy in tripoli at the time of the benghazi attack. he told investigators for the house oversight and government reform committee that more could have been done in this period after that first attack on the mission in benghazi. but before two more americans were killed hours later in a second attack. he said a team of four special forces operatives were ready to fly to benghazi in that period between the attacks but were told by defense department superiors they didn't have the authority to do so. he

>> they remained in tripoli with us. >> we also learned hicks was never contacted by u.n. ambassador susan rice before she went on five separate sunday morning talk shows to deliver what turned out to be false talking points on the protest sparked by an anti-islam video. hicks said everyone on the ground that day was aware from the get-go, as he put it, that it was a terrorist attack. >> so fast-forward, mr. hicks, to the sunday talk shows and ambassador susan rice. she blamed this attack on a video. in fact, she did it five different times. what was your reaction to that? >> i was stunned. my jaw dropped. and i was embarrassed. >> did she talk to you before she went on the five sunday talk shows? >> no, sir. >> you were the highest ranking official in libya at the time, correct? >> yes, sir. >> and she did not bother to have a conversation with you before she went on national television? >> no, sir. >> hicks added that the president of libya was furious after the ambassador rice appearances because he went on those same sunday talk shows and he described the attack as a p

hicks, you're nodding your head yes.is that corrveo. >> the arb in looking to place blame on a career employees ignored a whole lot of what he would say the decision makers in terms of assigning blame? >> absolutely. >> both of you agree? let me go a little further, mr. nordstrom. one last question and then i will yield to the gentleman from your top. as. at this, is it fair that all the blame got assigned to the diplomatic security component? aren't they just one component under the management euro? is that correct? >> it's absolutely correct. i do not believe it's fair. those agresource determinations are made by the deputy and a secretary for management. >> when we start assigning blame, if it was in complete in their analysis celek terms of who was to blame with regards an agency? >> that's correct. you fix the blame for the three people wonder the undersecretary of management and nothing to him? he either did not know what was going on with his subordinates or he did and did not care. >> will the gentleman yield to

greg hicks says it best. >> the job now is a significant -- it's a demotion. so i've been effectively demoted from deputy chief of mission to desk officer. >> mr. president, with all due respect, you actually demote the man who is on the phone all night scrambling to get help, destroying your classified records, chartering a plane, taking on the terrorists by himself. why? why would you do that? why would you demote a hero? and why would you lie to us? i'll tell you why. because of a looming presidential election seven weeks away. because americans can't be under attack, especially not a terrorist attack if, as you say, al qaeda is already on its heels. mr. president, how could you not send in reinforcements? how could you not send in americans trained for this very kind of emergency? you're the commander in chief. that's your job. and enter hillary clinton. fact. because the benghazi consulate security was so substandard, it could only have been inhabited if you had issued the waiver. fact. your department continuously denied both ambassador stevens and deput

gregory hicks has a superb record. he was the deputy chief of mission, but he is a diplomat, a foreign service officer. and the pentagon's pushback is he's not a military officer and to suggest a flyover of f-16s could have buzzed the mission, the outpost in benghazi, and scattered the attackers, is naive, number one. it's hypothetical. >> right. >> and that they couldn't get there in time in any case for the very reasons you just cited that they didn't have refueling capability. they were not on the runway. it takes a couple hours to get an airplane, an f-16, fueled up and on the runway and in the air. >> so this falls into the category, monday morning quarterbacking. it's legitimate disputes. we can argue about how it could have been handled better. it's not a mort l sin politically that would cause the downfall of an administration, where they do resign in these cases. let's talk about the cover-up. let me read this other point. gregory hicks, this respected foreign service officer, based in tripoli, took issue with

hicks said that yesterday. the sunday shows, because they had no inkling they were under attack. they didn't know that there was a video. they didn't know that was even a possibility. there was no report from ambassador stevens about a protest outside the gates. the question is where did those talking points come from if they didn't come from the people who actually were on the ground? >> you know, lisa myers is right now with us in washington. she's nbc news senior investigative correspondent. you've been following these hearings closely, lisa. you know, we've been very careful on this program since this happened, since september 11th, to look before we've leapt. there are a lot of people stirring up conspiracy theories without knowing what they're talking about. just because it was the obama administration. i give them about as much credit this morning as i give people against the iraq war without knowing the details first. in this case, though, you look at the testimony. forget the republicans. forget the co

. >> gregory hicks is a state department veteran of 22 years. he testified to chairman darryl's committee this week that he's investigating the event 7 months ago when the u.s. was attacked. all militants set fire to the compound until four americans including the u.s. ambassador to libya, jay christopher stevens. second in command was gregory hicks and he was stationed 400 miles away. on wednesday of this week and six hours of testimony mr. hicks described point by point the actions that unfolded that night including frantic phone calls and the frantic brainstorming and how to execute a rescue mission. hicks described the chosen plan. a four man special operations team. he says that the team led by lieu tenten kernel gibbson was -- lieutenant kernel gibbson was intercepted and told to stand down. >> i told him to go bring our people home. >> he said he talked on the phone with hillery clinton on the night of the attack. >> question, how much has the revelation done to erode hillery creditability? >> i think it's a serious problem that we're goi

what can we expect to hear from hicks? >> we expect hicks will say in february 1991 he took an oath to protect and uphold the constitution and today he is here to do just that. in testimony contained by fox news he will say i'm a career public servant. until the aftermath of benghazi i loved every day of my job. we also expect hicks to talk about in the aftermath of the benghazi attack when he became the number one u.s. diplomat in libya after the death of ambassador chris stevens. he was praised by president obama and secretary of state hillary clinton for his performance. bill: and response either came or did not come and for what reason? >> reporter: there has been present back and forth about whether military resources could have gotten there perhaps to stop the second wave of the attack. we heard there were special forces ready to get on a plane to go to benghazi to help their colleagues who were under attack. the pentagon said it is not possible. some lawmakers say how can the pentagon know that if they didn't know h

director hicks. this is an awesome report. thank you very much. it's great to see that your report card is awesome. third lowest case load, append is cases closed out and met your targets and increasing the number of days to close cases and the mediation program, our outreach, you have done an excellent job. i want to thank you. you are the leaders but you are the ones that did the work. thank you. it's a great report. it's a real strong relationship between the fewer numbers of complaints against the police department and the strength of the occ. i want to thank you for your efforts. >> your welcome and thank you very much. >> thank you, president. director hicks first i have to start off which is to commend you on your extraordinary staff which is so dedicated. i get a chance to work with samarra and i don't get to work with all of them but they are so dedicated and they have a lot of credibility. so i commend you for your leadership and your exceptional team. i also think that being the new member of the commission, and recognizing the departme

sharyl attkisson covered hick's testimony for us. >> reporter: greg hicks was the number two in libya to ambassador chris stevens when terrorists attacked the u.s. compound in benghazi. libya's prime minister called him after stevens had been missing for several hours. >> i think it's the saddest phone call i've ever had in my life. he told me that ambassador stevens had passed away. >> reporter: hicks questioned why the military didn't at least send a plane to buzz the mob and try to scare them off. the pentagon had said the closest jets were in aviano, italy, and would have taken up to 20 hours to get there. elijah cummings is the lead democrat on the oversight committee. >> the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff said they simply could not get there quickly. sir, do you have any reason to question general dempsey's testimony before the senate? >> again, i was speaking from my perspective. >> i understand. >> on the ground in tripoli based on what the defense attache told me and he said two to three hours. >> reporter: but the attache, a military advisor at the embassy, added ther

hicks, i said i was mad.ld not watch the comments from our secretary of state as to what it matters. it does matter to america. matters when we put the resources of our brave men and women on the line and stacking it up with lies. i think that is a disgraceful aspect. they would be proud that three men came forward as whistleblowers to tell a story and presented the facts. even more so, mr. hicks tried to remedy this but within the process and the administration and got nowhere and was forced to come forward. showing light on these facts will set us free. continue that pursued and make sure you are proud of america but also make sure people are held accountable. did you have a, chance to talk with the witnesses before or after the hearing? guest: not before but i made a comment to mr. thompson. i like strategy and i think you always look at precipitating action. the enemy is always watching us. when they acknowledge that they are checking out our fortifications and defense of our consulates and embassies, the

hicks' case. did hillary clinton say anything to you? did president obama? did they say anything to you on that day? >> oh, yes. they all told me about the reason that this happened was the video. every one of them told me that. >> they actually told you it was the video both secretary clinton and the president told you it was the videotape? >> yes, they actually did and susan rice, also. >> face to face? >> nose to nose. they were hugging me. >> that was days after the attack, correct? >> well, whenever it was. it was at the ceremony. >> bill: september 14th, three days after the attack. >> yes. >> bill: that's disturbing. do you believe there is some kind of conspiracy coverup thing going on here or do you just don't know? >> i don't know. i don't know what the reason is i have no idea of the reason. i asked them, including -- well, i asked them all, every one of them all panetta and biden and hillary and obama, i asked them please, please, tell me what the story is. why did this happen? why isn't somebody opening up to this? and they all said that they wo

you took testimony from him at your review board. >> andrea, we interrued greg hicks at length. i great admiration for the work he did under enormous pressure. he performed very very well and everybody has complimented him on that. his own testimony in my view makes clear, while he had tomed for aircraft relief and in i were in his position i would have felt the same way, the defense attache and subsequently defense officials make it clear that the aircraft were two to three hours away, but there were no refueling aircraft available. that speaks for itself action and i don't see any contradiction. i don't recall, and i reviewed the testimony yesterday, that we actually discuss that with greg hicks in the interview, but nevertheless he made the statement, and i think it is clear from what everybody has said, there should be no controversy over that. aircraft were there, but they were not available in a time span that could have made any serious difference in connection with the issue. >> that does get back to perhaps a policy failure, because the afterry kahn headquarters in euro

hicks was number two and then number one. representative asked him did you talk to ambassador rice before she went out. he said no, not a single about it. susan rice's actions on that sunday and aftermath actually prevented the f.b.i. from getting into the country. >> bob: i'm shocked by that. something like this you have a discussion with the person who is in charge of the situation. so i'm a little surprised she didn't have a conversation. >> dana: we covered this story from the beginning. tomorrow, i don't care what my segment tomorrow. more on the benghazi testimony and update on the criminal investigation out of cleveland. we still have kimberly, too. >>> four dead americans. was it because of protests or guys out to walk and decided to go kill americans? with a difference does it make? >> the committee wants to uncover prior during and after the attack matter. most importantly... excuse me... it matters to the friends and family of ambassador stevens, sean smith, glen doherty and tyrone woods who were murdered on septem

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hicks added, quote, my jaw hit the floor as i watched this. i've never been as embarrassed in my life in my career, as on that day, unquote. hicks believes the stunning failure of diplomacy on the sunday news shows explains why it took the f.b.i. three weeks to gain access to the benghazi site. the u.s. had effectively humiliated the libyan president on national tv. that decision, he believed, probably compromised our ability to investigate and track down those responsible. according to hicks, no one from the state department contacted him about what ambassador rice would be saying in advance. the next morning he called betting jones, acting assistant -- beth jones, acting assistant secretary for near east affairs, and asked why ambassador rice had made the statements she had. jones responded, quote, i don't know, unquote. a report published friday by "the weekly standard" suggests that state department spokesperson victoria newland took issue with the initial talking points and, with backing from the white house, removed any evidence of al qa