>> yes, i have. >>> joining me now holly hughes.os angeles a human behavior expert. tim clemente, retired fbi special agent and advisor/writer for "criminal minds." leonard pits, syndicated columnist for "the miami herald". drew, is he a creditable witness on the stands when you saw him? >> are you talking about her friend? you know the prosecution really rolled out a parade of her friends in the beginning of this trial and all of them really had the same message that casey anthony had no signs that anything was wrong during that month that her daughter hadn't been seen. she was going out to bars, partying, sleep over, renting movies with her boyfriend. so, going to a fourth of july celebration. not letting on that anything was wrong. that's what the defense theory is she was so sexually abused so, physically and mentally abused that she stashes her pain deep back in the back of her head and can act like servicing okay. >> tim clemente. >> in my opinion, that behavior is something completely different. what it actually is is that sh

holly hughes is a criminal defense attorney and a former prosecutor.s in l.a., a human behavior expert. jim clemente in l.a. a retired fbi special agent and adviser. drew is from orlando, he's a reporter for wdbo radio and leonard pitts, washington, syndicated columnist and winner of a pulitzer prize for commentary. drew, i don't know if you have had a chance to witness any of this, but is it that sort of behavior -- obviously the judge does not allow that to happen in court. >> people have been very well-behaved inside the courtroom but what we've learned for this trial is there's an intense interest on exactly what is happening inside the courtroom. the arguments back and forth between lawyers. in fact, we've seen one by one the local tv stations go wall to wall and broadcast the entire proceedings that happen, but there have been no outbursts in court. the judge, judge perry, runs a very tight ship inside the courtroom and promised anyone that does any outbursts about 180 days in jail. so people have been well-behaved inside. there's an intense inte

we have holly hughes standing by with some analysis.in right now. >> you were asked why you didn't cry during the deposition. >> yes, sir. >> is sitting here today much different than sitting in the state attorney's office two years ago? >> objection. leading. >> overruled. >> absolutely. >> and can you share with the ladies and gentlemen of the jury why? >> i don't want to be here. i don't want, you know, my sister and my parents to be here. it's -- i'm also emotionally and all that stuff in a muff different place. than i was a couple years ago. this is obviously just very, very emotionally draining and very difficult. >> mr. ashton asked you about giving a speech at caylee's memorial. that was prior to your deposition. and you testified about not -- at your deposition not believing caylee was dead. is that correct? >> i was not willing to write it off at that point in time. i didn't want to believe it. i couldn't believe it at that time. >> so you were able after having a funeral for your niece to block her death out of your emotions

also, attorney, holly hughes is here with me in atlanta. i'm going to turn to holly here in just a moment. but, david, what in the world just happened? >> reporter: we really don't know, t.j. it was an unusual move that both sides went into the judge's chambers. usually they just go to a side bar and have their discussions amongst themselves there in court. this time they were completely away from view, behind closed doors, with the court reporter as they were going through their discussions. then the judge emerges and says that this is a legal issue that requires them to not have court today. he doesn't elaborate, leaving everyone to speculate what could this legal issue be? and it could be something as simple as them requiring the services or information from someone who's not available today to something possibly a problem with a juror. so, again, it opens up a wide range of speculation of what sort of roadblock they ran into today, that required them to step back and say, we can't do anything today, we're going to have to come back and t

we'll check back in with him and holly hughes attorney here with us to help us navigate some of this remind you we'll be dipping in. nothing is happening right now as far as testimony. holdy hughes will have her ear to it throughout the morning. we'll let you hear some of the more relevant testimony which has been dramatic testimony over the past couple of days. so stay right here with us for that. >>> bets turn to james bolger. he's back in boston. attorneys say the alleged mob boss is looking forward answering charges against him. he's facing dozens of charges from money laundering to murder. in his first court appearance in boston yesterday he didn't enter a plea or ask for bail. he's been on the run for 1 years. finally was captured in california this week. >>> at least 35 people are dead following a suicide attack at a maternity hospital in afghanistan. you can see where it happened in the logar province of the country. 60 others were injured in the truck bomb attack. in a separate attack in northern afghanistan ten people were killed. u.s. and afghan governments both condemn th

holly hughes, we'll talk about cindy anthony now.andmother here? >> what it tells me right up front she knew something was not right with this story. listen to her words, don. my daughter tells me the babysitter took this little girl. my daughter says she has not seen her in 31 days but something my daughter tells me she hasn't seen her in 31 days. i found my daughter's car and it smells like there is a dead body in the car. right away she is keying in on the fact that this story doesn't make sense. i don't believe it. if she truly believed that little girl was off with the baby-sitter, would y would you mention the car? why wouldn't she mentioned dead body? she knew in her gut and she couldn't take it. >> when you hear her saying, and hear other people saying, that car smelled like death, does that tell you anything? >> yes, i think it is a very distinct smell that human beings act viscerally too. the other thing is the hair with postmortem banding, it can only come off of a dead body. not someone who died in the last 15 minutes but

correspondent beth karas who's a former prosecutor and holly hughes who is also a former prosecutor. so cindy anthony, holly, i have to be quite honest. whose side is she on? what's going on here? there's a nickname for her. >> they are now calling her spindy. >> you think this is really spin? >> i think this is her trying to save her daughter's life. i think this is a woman in an impossible situation. >> what is she spinning? >> i think she is taking credit for these chloroform searches and i don't think they were hers. i think what's going to happen on rebuttal is the state is going to bring their computer expert back and say two seconds before the search, what was happening? photo bucket was up. cindy's already testified she doesn't know about facebook or photo bucket. those were casey's accounts. eight seconds after the last search for chloroform, what was up? casey's facebook page. it's physically impossible for cindy to have slid in there, two seconds is, type something, slid back out. it's craziness. i think they're going to get caught up in it. >> beth, i have to ask, before c

i also have holly hughes, an attorney here in studio with me. she'll be talking to me in just a second about what we saw. but david, are we still trying to put together exactly what happened in court today that caused the judge to say, hey, see you on monday? >> reporter: quite a mystery, t.j. we were all set, ready to go, everyone was in place. there were witnesses outside, ready to be called and then the judge and the attorneys for both sides went behind closed doors, something we rarely see. usually they go to a side bar to discuss any sort of issues there in the courtroom. this time, they went behind closed doors, they had a private meeting. the court reporter was in there recording it all, but we don't know what they were talking about. the judge emerged, everyone came out and took their place again, and here is the announcement that he had for the stunned courtroom. >> both sides concur that a legal issue has arisen, unrelated to the that shall we talked about first thing this morning, dealing with dr. ferden that would necessitate us rece

beth karas who is a former prosecutor and holly hughes who is also a former prosecutor. before we get to them, david mattingly reports on what happened in court today. >> casey anthony murder trial, the jury never got a chance to come into the courtroom. instead, the judge and the attorneys went into a closed door meeting, which is unusual because usually, they just go to a sidebar where they discuss whatever matters they need in front of everyone. this time they went behind closed doors with a court reporter to record the proceedings. what was said in there they would not reveal. but when the judge came out, he had this announcement for a very surprised courtroom. >> as both sides concur that a legal issue has arisen unrelated to the issue that we talked about, first thing this morning dealing with the doctor that would necessitate us recessing for today. >> what this legal issue might be no one is really sure because the judge did not elaborate, and none of the attorneys afterward would comment at all about this. but what we do know if it's something minor at the very

. >> joining me now, holly hughs criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor. wendi walsh, human behavior expert. drew petremoux orlando reporter for wbdo radio. drew, is he a credible witness on the stand when you saw him? >> are you talking about her friends? well, the prosecution really rolled out a parade of her friend at the beginning of this trial and all of them had the same message that casey anthony had no sign anything was wrong during month her daughter hadn't been seen. she was going out to bars, partying, sleepovers, presenting movies with her boyfriend. going to a 4th of july celebration. really not letting on at all that anything was wrong. of course that's kind of what defense theory is. that she has been so sexually abused, so physically and mentally abused that she stashes her pain deep back in the back of her head and can act like everything is okay. >> jim cle meanty -- go ahead. >> in my behavior that is something completely different. what it is, is she is in a position where she is finally free. she released the burden of the one thing sh

not so well, according to former prosecutor, holly hughes.ch. we have seen the witnesses the defense has brought forth here, and how are they doing in defending the woman in very serious charges? >> this is a death penalty, and they are going down in flames. the prosecution manages to turn the defense witnesses around and making them a prosecution witness. this is not the expert's fault. there are very republic utahable experts. this is a lack of experience on the part of the defense team, and they are not properly preparing their witnesses. they should have prepared the witnesses ahead of time and saying this is what we need to testify to, and find evidence that backs this up. these poor witnesses get on the stand and they have not been properly prepared and the direct examination is sloppy and on cross-examination the prosecutor plays with them. it's like watching cat and mouse. it's embarrassing for these people. they will not perjure themselves so they agree with the prosecution, saying, yes. poor dr. jane balk, and she ends with, you kno

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joining us is holly hughes, our legal expert, to kind of explain and put this all into perspective. why was he so important today? >> he is key, because they are trying to say, they being the defense team, that roy kronk is the one who applied that duct tape to the baby's skull. they're saying he found the remains in august, reported it, nobody did anything about it, so he went back and took those remains, collected them up, held on to them for four months, and then decided oh, now there's a big reward so now i'm going to take them back out, put them back into that same area, scatter the bones around, and boy the way, while i'm at it, why don't i take duct tape and place the mandible which is the lower part of the jaw, suzanne, for our viewers, let me put it back in the exact anatomically correct position and tape it back on the head. >> why is that so important, though, the significance of the duct tape? why is that considered a murder weapon? >> because the prosecution says that she chloroformed her little girl, she being the defendant, casey, chloroformed caylee so she could go o

want to bring in our legal expert holly hughes just to tell us very briefly, what is the significance of having him on once again on the defense eside? >> what they're trying to do is bring the jury back to the alleged murder weapon, the duct tape. jose baez said in his opening, folg the duct tape. so what he's trying to do -- because i think this river cruz lady, it fell fla. it was sort of a fizzleout, not the big blockbuster. she ed, we had an affair. he said, no we didn't. i want to stee something that proves it if you're putting her on the stand. i don't want he said/she said. show me the pictures, show someone who saw you kissing and hugging. right now we have a she said/he said. the defense realizes that. they bring george up. let's make him the villain again. >> why is the duct tape significant, to put that into george's handzs? >> because the prosecution alleges that the duct tape was the murder weapon that the defendant casey anthony wrapped around her little baby's skull and covered up her nose, the nasal passages, and the mouth so she couldn't breathe. they're saying that'

let's bring in our criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor, holly hughes. the defense going after george anthony, and questioning him about molesting his daughter, casey, and he said he would never harm her in that way. they were trying to prove it, though, and did they? >> no. here is a tip for jose baez. never hand your enemy a club because he might use it to beat you over the head with it. yesterday we saw a defiant george who said i did not have an affair, and today we see a broken, heart wrenching emotional plea by a father, and a grandfather saying i wouldn't do that. >> you mention that, and we were watching this earlier and you can see george anthony on the verge of tears several times, but there were one moment when he broke down when he learned he had learned investigators had found caylee's body. let's listen to that. >> had you held out the hope that caylee would be found alive? >> absolutely. every day from july 15th, until the day we were told it was caylee. >> in january of 2009, you went -- i'll give you a moment. >> he is broken, as you des

let's talk some more with holly hughes, a dricriminal defense attorney and former prosecutor.the alleged m.i. ed mistre proof behind that. >> to prove george anthony is a liar. kyra, it it fizzled and it's a big dud. i don't think it was as sensational as the defense wanted it to be. they downplayed it and we know jeff ashton. he got up on cross-examination and did his thing of t. he's not a dog with a bone. he's a dog with the whole cow, kyra. he took her apart like he did with everybody else. he says, you know what? you got paid to sell your story, right? uh-huh. and who did you tell your story to? well, it wasn't about selling the story, but the "national enquirer" gave you $4,000? well, yeah. well, didn't other represeutabl news organizations get ahold of you? well, yeah but i thought they were the best to get the truth out. seriously? with that's a lack of judgment she had cbs and all the big guys calling you. i went with the national inquire rerer. because they were going to pay you, right? jeff ashton puts her on the defensive shows she has a monetary reason. she befrie

to weigh-in on all the of this, holly hughes.o the anthony family in a moment, i want to ask you about roy cronk, the meter reader, he found the body, called it in, we have the 911 calls that were just played in court. the defense is claiming that he took little caylee's body and hid it. how did he do in court today? >> i think he's holding up pretty well. it's pretty safe to say, he doesn't come across as a criminal mastermind, okay? he is thinking carefully about his answers, and i think he comes across as not having any gile. this is not a man who's trying to trip anybody up, he's thinking carefully, he's being delibera deliberate. i may have said that, but i'm not sure. >> all the defense has to do is confuse the jury, right? >> maybe he was involved and if wasn't casey. >> exactly, and if they can do that -- if they can convince somebody on that jury that roy kronk put the duct tape on the remains, they take the murder weapon out of casey's hands. >> they are also going for a little confusion, confusion creates reasonable do

. >> joining me now is former prosecutor, holly hughes.saw george anthony actually break down after that. what happened? >> you know, the defense is finally getting to the point where they are trying to get evidence before the jury that they talked about in their opening. jose baez got up and accused casey casey's father of sexually molesting her when she was 8 years old. he was vulger and distinct. he has called george back to the stand. what we see is a broken man. yesterday we he testified, he was defy yant. he is a man trying to say he did not ever do that. i would not ever do that. then he is being attacked. you gavin afte interviews to tha and you were paid for it. what jose baez is rehabbing this man in the eyes of the jury. the jury is getting to see the real george anthony. >> why did he get so upset? he essentially tried to commit suicide? >> the reason we know that happened, one of the lines he just said, he said, mr. baez, you are trying to take my joy. meaning that little caylee was the joy of his life. he loves his daughter c

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. >>> joining us to talk more about the casey anthony trial is holly hughes.e attorney and former prosecutor. thank you, fir of all, for joining us. you've been following this closely. >> yes. >> first of all, taug talk about the testimony of casey anthony's mother and it is the most compelling and most significant part of the trial. tell us why. >> it is, suzanne, and this is why. because when you've watched cindy anthony, no matter what you think of her, and we've been watching this family for three years. face it. there has been a lot of media coverage up until the point we actually started the trial. she's done some kind of goofy things we might think that's a little nutty. but no matter what you think of her when you watch her on that stand talking about her granddaughter, this 2-year-old baby, it is so evident that she loves this child and the raw grief that we see emanating from her. that's what we expect from the mother. from the defendant, casey, and we're not getting that. we're listening. you listen to the 911 tape, where cindy has to actually repor

joining us to put it all in perspective, criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor holly hughes casey breaking down, really very emotional. is this significant at all on either side that she seems to be upset? >> no. because there's no way of knowing why she's breaking down. is it remorse? is she feeling sorry and guilty now that she's actually seen her handy work? or is she just crying for herself, like oh, i'm sunk, now they're looking at the baby's bones. we don't know what make this girl tick but we do know based on her own attorney, jose baez' opening, that she is a pathological liar so nothing that she says or does can really be trusted, because why is she crying? she's crying for herself. >> what about the brother? we were quite surprised. he was only on the stand, very short while, ten minutes, at max, here. and the story that he told about how the child was taken. was there an inconsistency there or did it line up with her story of what she said initially? >> no, it's another huge inconsistency, suzanne. here awhy this why they waited him back. he testified now, and now

. >> criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor, holly hughes, joins me now., cindy, talking about everything from the clothing of caylee's in the home to the pool to the ladder and then the emotional testimony from lee talking about this family secret. what was accomplished here by the defense with the kind of questioning that took place with these two witnesses? >> this is the defense finally, finally coming to the table with something that might prove their theorys, and here is why. they don't have to have the exact words that they want to argue come out of a witness' mouth, because the law tells us that you can argue reasonable entrances from the evidence. if jose baez can show the jury that this family had secrets and they were odd, and they were a little off, then he can argue what other secrets were there. now you know why casey was a liar, and he can start to back up some of the things that he said in his opening statement. >> but he will need for those witnesses to take it further, to be able to say that, yes, this little girl fell into the pool, and

criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor holly hughes joins us again and holly, thank you veryalways very good at putting this all together here. we heard from fbi experts here. explain to us what the significance was of this duct tape that was found with a heart shape on that duct tape. >> right. there's a couple of things that are happening here, suzanne. the fbi analyst was analyzing the tape for fingerprints for latent fingerprints to find out if she could lift any off of there. while she was doing that, she noticed that there was adhesive residue left on the outside of that tape. it was in the shape of a heart. the reason that that heart sticker is so relevant in this case is that at the anthony home, just 15 houses away from where the little body was found, are the exact same heart shaped stickers and caylee loved to play with stickers. we also heard testimony earlier that casey, when she one time buried one of her pets out there, put a heart-shaped sticker on that little pet when she buried him. so we're seeing a lot of different tie-ins here. now, the defense did a very

joining us to talk about the latest developments, criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor holly hughes. thank you so much, as always. first of all, is it not incredible that people are fighting outside of the courtroom just to get in? i've never seen anything like that before. >> no. madness ensues everywhere, suzanne. not only do you have the crazy antics happening in the courtroom, now it's spilled out into the general public. >> there was explosive testimony yesterday that you described. what actually happened? >> yesterday jose baez, the lead defense attorney for casey anthony got to start his case. he was able to start presenting his evidence. started off slow with a little bit of boring testimony from an orange county deputy and some scientists but his big bombshell was right before lunch. i can guarantee you this was strategically done at 11:59 while he is questioning a dna expert from the fbi and asking her was blood found on all of these clothes that were seized from casey's house pursuant to a search warrant and then all of a sudden he slips in were you asked to perform a pat

testimony and on how the trial is going, joining us is criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor holly hughesng here. casey anthony's brother, lee anthony, tell us about his testimony. were there any bombshells? what was the significance? did it help or hurt this mother's case? >> actually, suzanne, it was bombshell day, and it's funny because the prosecution had to really pull lee anthony, that's casey's older brother, to get him to give up some of these real gems for the prosecution. he didn't want to be there. he was nervous. he was reticent, kept saying i don't remember, they had to get out his deposition testimony and prior interviews, what we call refreshing recollection in the law and you're allowed to do that. you can show a witness something they've said in the past, recorded on paper to refresh their memory. three of the really big things, number one, yes, there was an offensive smell, it was really, really horrible and i could smell it just walking past the car in the garage. then we also hear that statement that comes from the defendant's own mouth when her little girl is missing,