baltimore, evan perez, legal analyst, former prosecutor sonny hostin. let's first of all start with this additional stop that police have now revealed the van carrying freddie gray what does that disclosure suggest to you? evan let me start with you, you've been doing a lot of reporting on this. >> that's right, wolf it adds additional questions, what happened during that this additional stop? the other stop? this is something that adds to i think frankly the distrust that there's already out there with this investigation. it's not fair necessarily to the police investigators, they say that police department says that they are disclosing this information as soon as they can. in an effort to be transparent, and apparently this information was not, was not provided by the officers and it was not radioed in as it was supposed to be. this was discovered only as they canvassed the neighborhood looking for any cctv

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with me now, our justice correspondent evan perez and cnn legal analyst sunny hostin. first, let's begin with this previously undisclosed police van stop. we have no idea what that camera captured. but it could be key, yes? >> right. i think it is key. we know what happened at the other stops. the police have disclosed what they know happened at the other stops. this one, it's clear they don't have enough information. the camera the surveillance camera clearly does not provide a conclusive answer to it. now the question is how they're going to solve this mystery here. it's amazing that at this stage we're adding mysteries. we're adding new questions rather than solving them and answering them. >> you want to have transparency sunny hostin and this just doesn't look good. >> it doesn't, especially because we're now learning at least from what athena is saying that they just got this information last week. but we learned very early, i think, in the investigation that five out of the six police officers had given statements. one would think those police officers would hav

i want to turn back to sunny hostin cnn legal analyst.re judy clark, who do you put on the stand? >> i think she has a lot to work with at this point. i think the jury doesn't know tsarnaev at all. and that was i'm sure by design. she said from the very beginning she was guilty of these crimes. the only job is to save his life. you need people that will humanize tsarnaev. i think that's the first step. what's interesting is that it has to sort of be a two prong defense. you have so many survivors saying i don't want him put to death. i want him to spend the rest of his life in prison. when he was found in that boat and captured he seemed to indicate with his scrawlings on the side of the boat that he regretted and almost admired his brother for dying and becoming a martyr. >> he ran over his brother. >> he wants to be a martyr. so what do you do to a man that wants to die? you don't put him to death. you make him live the rest of his life in prison so i think that's got to be the two-prong defense that we may see from judy clark. >> you k

. >>> joining us sunny hostin former forward prosecutor and friend of the mayor of baltimore. and also joining us retired new york detective larry houck and fred kobalin ski. and professor, i want to start with you, the lawyer for the police does not believe that mr. gray's legs were injured or his vertebrae crushed and unable to walk and though he was being dragged, he believed he was allowing himself to be dragged and he points to a moment where -- and i want to show this picture, mr. gray appears to be standing or placed on the bumper of the police van before going into the police van. now he does have somebody holding on to him. what do you make of that image. does that tell you anything about the condition mr. gray was in? >> if we can really assume that he was standing on his own, that would tell me that the spinal cord was not severely injured, that the severance was not very significant. of course his head was not restrained. and so the second -- the secondary damage could have happened in the van where the vertebrae was torn. and so the way this works is the cervical

we're back with harry houck from the nypd, sunny hostin, jeffrey toobin as well. as we continue to look at these images throughout the day, there's a real question about what happens as the night progresses? is this in fact, i mean, it seems like in some areas it has, you know, in this case, burned itself out, in the case of this senior center. but what does the night hold? when will national guard units actually arrive on the streets? >> i think it's anyone's guess. i'm just so saddened by this, as someone who's worked in baltimore, lived in baltimore. still have so many good friends in baltimore. this is not the city that i've grown to love. and the terrible thing is, it will take years -- years -- to rebuild these areas and these areas that were so desperate to begin with. i'm actually watching our own coverage in a state of shock and bottom line is, you know, what started out, i think, as peaceful protest, that message is lost, that message is gone. all anyone will now remember is the rioting, is the looting, is baltimore burning, and that is -- that saddens m

harry houck, mark o'mara, sunny hostin. thank you. to a local pastor and activist about how the video of walter scott's killing has a potential to be a game changer in this community and beyond. also, his concerns about what happens next in this community in north charleston. we'll be right back. all these networks keep making different claims. it gets confusing. fastest, the strongest, the most in-your-face-est. it sounds like some weird multiple choice test. yea, but do i pick a, b, or c. for me it's all of the above. i pick, like, the best of everything. verizon. i didn't. i picked a. maybe c. and how'd that work out for you? not so well. can i get a do-over? why settle for less when you can have, well, everything. and get 2 lines for $100. verizon. the right connections. introducing miracle-gro liquafeed universal feeder. turn any hose connection into a clever feeding system for a well-fed garden. miracle-gro. life starts here. whethbefore the big race... or a healthy start before the big meeting, there's a choice hotel that's wai

i want to talk about it now with our legal analyst sunny hostin.ly wallace and both parents as well. what do you make of this. you've covered this story extensively. >> i have. and i think the general reaction is are we going too far here? >> why not try to reach the parents, why not call the parents, instead of having child protective services investigating the parents. there have been other stories we've reported on where parents have been arrested for letting their nine or seven-year-old walk alone to the park. are we going too far here? >> it also i assume this parent sort of walked this root with the kids at some point, it was a couple blocks from their home it wasn't necessarily that she opened the door and tossed them out and said come back in a few hours. >> this is anev lucien over time they've wanted to give their children more and more responsibility. more awe taken my the kids are craving it they're reacting to a society. and i'm a parent. we're not letting our kids do anything. when we were kids we were doing things on our own. >> i wa

. >> we're going to talk about this more in depth with our cnn legal analyst sunny hostin joining us from new york. considering the trauma they are going through, they are very composed. but legally -- [ audio difficulties ] >> well, certainly this is the beginning for this defendant, for this family. we do know that the city has acted very swiftly. this shooting happened on april 4th. and by april 7th, he has been fired from the police department. he is being held without bond in the prison. and he also has been charged with murder, which means he's eligible for the death penalty or 30 years to life in prison. >> it's also what is so striking, the second police officer who arrived at the scene seems to be nonchalant about a dead body being on the ground. there is the possibility evidence was planted, the account was fabricated. will that bring any extra punishment stemming from the murder charge? >> i certainly think that is possible. if the fbi and the justice department do conduct a parallel investigation, there may be civil rights violations that are going to be looked at, as wel

will we see him testify. >> sunny hostin thanks as always.eciate it. >>> today the defense is expected to make its case in the trial of former new england patriots player aaron hernandez. hernandez is charged with first-degree murder in the killing of his friend odin lloyd. among the witnesses scheduled to take the stand, an expert who will challenge the dna evidence collected at the crime scene. the jury is expected to begin deliberating by the middle of this week. >>> let's talk about something good and happy and positive now. let's head back to the south lawn of the white house. isn't this adorable? it's the easter egg roll today. kids from all over the country all 50 states gather on the white house lawn to roll these easter eggs. the president and first lady will come out. the first daughters will be there. and if they follow tradition, and we expect they will the president and the first lady will walk into the crowd of these children and their parents and greet them and talk only about happy things. 35,000 expected on the south lawn tod

cnn legal analyst sunny hostin and retired nypd detective harry houck.mer baltimore police officer today who said that given prisoners what he referred to as a rough ride in a police van was a long-standing technique in the city of baltimore and that basically intentionally not strapping prisoners in and then driving erratically, giving them the so-called rough ride to punish them. have you heard of that? >> i've heard of it. and that -- that could have happened here. we don't know. we don't know how the injuries occurred inside of that 20-minute period inside of the van. it is very likely. those things have seat belts for a reason. because even if the drivers in a car vehicle accident you have to protect the people in the back of that thing. >> professor kobilinsky that there are not sharp edges, does that mean anything. again we don't know if this technique of a rough ride is used but can they get badly injured. there was a case in 2005, a baltimore man suffered spinal injuries after being put in a police van and subjected to a rough ride? >> law enfor

. >>> and joining us now harry houck, cnn legal analyst sunny hostin and lawrence kobilinsky of the college of criminal justice. sunny, to hear the chief of police admit wrongdoing on the seat belt buckling and saying medical attention should have been done earlier, how significant? >> i think that is very significant. the strongest statement we've heard from the baltimore police chief and the only question now is will the liability be criminal or civil or perhaps both? because when you say, well they were negligent by not buckling him, they were negligent by not providing medical care that sounds very civil to me. but then he couples those statements with saying there could be possible charges, charges that are criminal in nature. and certainly if any of these actions, let's say the rough ride happened and that was intentional, that could be second-degree murder or manslaughter by vehicle and so i think this is a pretty significant development in this case. >> harry, there were cc tv cameras all over the place and police were saying they were able to track the vehicle. so if there was -- t

i want to bring in cnn legal analyst sonny hostin and jeff my toobin.ou have a close personal relationship with mayor rawlings-blake. now, sonny, she says her words were twisted. as her friend do you understand why people took her words the way they did? >> reporter: you know i don't actually understand. because anyone that knows this mayor, anyone that knows stephanie rawlings-blake they understand she's a daughter of baltimore. they understand that her father was a very well-known legislator. they understand that she is a lawyer. she is measured. she is a critical thinker. they understand she still lives in the same home she's lived in for 20 years in not the greatest neighborhood in baltimore, that her brother was almost killed on her doorstep. yet she still remains in this city. she loves this city dearly. and to suggest that she intentionally allowed people that were less than peaceful to destroy or city is certainly a mischaracterization not only of her words but of this mayor. i don't understand that. i do understand though some of the criticism

charlie houk and prosecutor and attorney mark o'mara and legal correspondent and prosecutor sunny hostinm 100% for these officers to wear the body cams, because it are will show if some officers can act properly on the streets, and some officers who don't. and another thing that you are showing the danger that police officers are putting themselves in everyday, and the police officers were confronting somebody, and shot and this is what the police officer worries about every time he confronts somebody who does not want to listen to commands. >> mark if you were defending the officer involved in the killing of mr. scott or any off officer accused of wrongdoinging, sis there any downside of contradictioning of what he says and other officers say? >> well we know that there are lesser complaints about cops and also increases number of defendants who plea, so what you are doing is taking out a certain percentage of the people from the system, and giving the system more resources to deal with the ones who have to. and body cameras should be here and we shouldn't wait for another tragedy befor

i've got danny savalas and sunny hostin with me. i don't think we know that. investigating the police department and i don't think that's announced yet, perhaps part of the newser? >> i hope so. nats going to be necessary. i feel this is one of those powder keg situations that really needs to be handled appropriately. i have full faith in the mayor this will be handled appropriately but my sense that this nation needs that kind of investigation and that kind of transparent investigation at this point. >> 30 seconds, you get the final word. >> internal investigations are often not made public and this raises an age-old debate who ultimately watches the watchmen? >> we watch to see if they even make it public or not in hearing as far as what lessons learned, policy change but we also know that the family is demanding perhaps much more than that. stay with us here at cnn. i've got to go and hand things off to my colleague jake tapper. "the lead" staats right now. >>> welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. we begin with breaking news in the national lead any minu

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sunny hostin thank you so much. listening to the police about 90 minutes ago, they said they will give a news conference every 90 minutes. we're waiting and watching to see potentially the captain, the deputy commissioner, the commissioner here. we're standing big for that. also ahead, former baltimore ravens star ray lewis definitely a voice of influence here in the city. he went to one of the local schools this morning and wanted to talk to these young people and we spoke with him. hear from ray lewis himself coming up. you're watching cnn's special live coverage. >>> all right. just a reminder that we are watching and waiting for that baltimore police news conference to happen. they say they're going to have them every 90 minutes. so we'll take it as soon as we can. meantime let's talk football in the city. several former and current baltimore ravens players have taken to social media, spreading a message of nonviolence in response to what's happened here in baltimore. many of them have been around including balt

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joining us is our legal analyst sunny hostin, a former resident of the area here and a long time friend of the baltimore mayor we should point out. and dekalb police officer and harry houck and van jones. chief alexander, what are you seeing on the streets here and why you wanted to be here? >> well, it certainly looked much calmer than last night and that is a good sign. we'll see as the night progresses in terms of the curfew that will be upon us here in a few minutes. we're all very saddened by what we saw last night. it is absolutely horrific. when you have people that live in this community and destroying this community. and in the time i've noted that i've been here on the ground, there are so many people in baltimore that love this community that are out here tonight trying to keep peace and that is so important as every moment goes by. and i think it will play itself out later on too when you have citizens who live in this community, who live in these neighborhoods, who certainly want to protest and talk about their concerns, which are valid ones to them. the good part of this i

back with our panel, sunny hostin lawrence kobilinsky and terry hauk. this investigation, where does it go from here? >> i think billy murphy makes a very important point. i am uncomfortable with the baltimore police department investigating this investigating its own. we've seen time and time again that that really isn't the right way to do it. you should have an independent investigative force or team investigating something like this. i mean like you said it's been ten days. we haven't heard from the police. obviously, as harry said they do have the same rights that everyone else has, but they've obviously lawyered up. they haven't spoken. so how now do you expect the baltimore city police commissioner to investigate his own? you've got to have someone else come in with a fresh pair of eyes a disinterested pair of eyes and look at this case. >> harry, traditionally, there is great resistance among police forces around the country to that sort of independent, civilian review. >> right, yea. typically, i mean i don't even know why. i've got no problem

talk about it criminal defense attorney brian claypool cnn's don lemon and cnn legal analyst, sunny hostinwould this be if there was no video? >> clearly it would be different because when the narrative first came out from the officer, he said he shot in self-defense. he was able to retain an attorney and that attorney dropped his representation the minute he saw the video. i think that is why when you look at recommendations for police reform especially in the context of deadly force and the use of justifiable force, one of the top line recommendations is always body cameras. i have been a proponent for body cameras on police officers ever since i was a federal prosecutor because the bottom line is it not only protects potential victims, it protects police officers. it can support their version of events. this time it did not support his version of events but i've got to say i think we really do have to commend the north charleston police department as well as the mayor, because i don't think i have ever seen a police officer involved shooting be handled so swiftly. we are talking about a

also joining us don lemon, sunny hostin. don there were angry protesters. conference earlier there in north charleston. you reported from ferguson. you reported on the garner case in new york rice if cleave atlanta. what message does another death like this one send out there? >> the message it sends is that for most of the people who have been protesting across the country that there is confirmation of what they have been protesting for in many ways that this happens more often than one might think. it also sends to people who study these sorts of things it gives them confirmation that the numbers that may be on record may not be accurate because it is self-reporting and that many people believe what is in the police report that that is gospel that police often police themselves when it comes to these matters. it sends a terrible message about police departments around the country. it's not good. the information or what may come of this sadly may be good because there will be more transparency. but it sends a message -- a terrible message around the countr

>> joining me now, defense attorney robert shock, cnn analyst sunny hostin. welcome to all of you. it was a little offputting. if we're talking about murder and sending someone away for the rest of his life in prison and you have members of the jury -- i'm going to think maybe it's nervous laughter now that they've been able to leave this entire ordeal. i found the giggling a little odd. >> so many people found it odd. it was really off-putting for many. i actually saw it very differently. i saw a very cohesive jury that had just been through it together. they stood all together supporting their verdict. maybe we saw a little bit of maybe relief. maybe releasing tension. what we really saw, i think, is a jury that came account to in a difficult case listened to the law, applied the facts in a circumstantial evidence case and came up with what i believe is the right verdict. that's the type of jury you want whether or not you're a prosecutor or a defense attorney. you want that jury in what we saw today. >> i've talked to so many people who are surprised by the verdict. they thought

joining me to talk about this cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor sunny hostin and donnie author living in baltimore for nearly 50 years. welcome to both of you. thank you for being here. >> donnie i want to talk about the hopelessness some in this city feel living in these poverty stricken neighborhoods. explain why that hopelessness might erupt into violent behavior. >> i think the politicians have neglected baltimore's east and west side for decades. i'm 50. i remember when northern patterson park -- i remember the riots of '68. that area has not been touched in my lifetime. same on the west side. we only see politicians quite often in these areas as you see right now at penn north when typically around an election so now that this riot is going on or the riots, you see people who should have been there all along. >> you know i was at north and pennsylvania last night. a young lady came up to me and she gave me a tongue lashing for a good half hour. very passionate. i had called the people who looted the cvs idiots. i think the people who looted that store are criminals

and joining us now sunny hostin a federal prosecutor working in the baltimore area and friends with baltimore mayor and retired new york police detective harry houck. it is ten days and not a lot of answers. does that surprise you? >> it does surprise me. because you have the spotlight on baltimore. and you now have six officers that have been suspended and i feel at this point we have very little information. we're talking about a man who was fine before police custody and then suffered a tragic fatal injury. how is it possible that we don't know more. that just doesn't make sense to me and giving everyone a sense of opaqueness and a lack of transparency in the investigation. and understand everyone wants to get it right. i think it is time that we provide answers. >> professor copalin ski, three fracture vertebrae and a crushed voice box, what does that tell you about what went on? >> it is difficult to understand. i don't see how he could have yelled and spoken if the larynx had been crushed. i will say this though. >> this is a dumb question. are we talking about the adams apple? >> yes.

cnn legal analyst and former prosecutor sonny hostin. >> have you ever heard of slip and capture, that motor memory took over have you heard of this? >> i haven't heard of that specific term, but i've heard of that phenomenon, training in the red zone is one way. when i was in the secret service, that's what we used to do. in other words he would engage in vigorous physical activity in a stress test, and then do a judgment course with your firearm, when you're breathing really heavily and you're not thinking correctly. then you have to think, do i shoot or not engage the target? so i've heard it called a couple of different things but never slip and capture. >> phil is there any science to back this up? >> no it's junk science. it's not something that's supported by a testable theory. there's no peer-reviewed articles that would support this. we don't know -- there's no known rate of error. it's not generally accepted by the scientific community. in most courts not admissible as evidence. >> sonny, this phenomenon of wealthy people who want to who are donating money to law enforcement

now with me, harry houck, sunny hostin and a friend of the mayor of baltimore. and lawrence cope lin ski from john jay college of criminal justice. and cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney mark geragos. what do you make of this? the police are saying that he was arrested without force or incident. that was the initial report. >> well they can say that. they can also say they arrested him without any probable cause and for no reason at all. the idea that they're saying they arrested him for suspected criminal activity is nothing more than cop speak for, we were roufting another black man. this idea that they're now saying maybe we should have given him more medical attention because he had asthma -- they broke his neck! that's what the injuries are. this is really i hate to say it we're on here week in week out, what's finally happened is you have cell phone videos now, so you understand what cops do. cops are in these inner city communities roufting these young men in a -- basically a system of criminal justice apartheid which is what we have now. and

. >>> let's bring in cnn legal analyst sunny hostin to get some more perspective on this. thanks for joining us. this jury clearly has zero doubt that the defendant's guilty and it's also the same jury that's going to hear testimony in the penalty phase of this case which in many ways is almost a bigger deal. what angle might the defense try to play next? >> well this is going to be a very academic exercise and i know people don't want to hear that. they think it's more of an emotional exercise but when you are talking about the federal death penalty it is statutory. this jury will be informed by the judge that they are to weigh the mitigating factors against the aggravating factors and they will get what's generally called a special findings form wherein the defense team will list what mitigating factors they think they have shown, and then the government will list all of the aggravating factors they believe they have shown. it is not sort of this quantitative weighing process. it is really a qualitative weighing process. that is what the judge will instruct the jury. but

let's go to sunny hostin to discuss these developments. we knew this was the important phase.his is the important phase because his guilty verdict was a foregone conclusion. >> i think so. we knew that because judy clark, his defense attorney who is one of the best in the country, started out by saying he did this. this was about whether or not she could save his life. that's what we're seeing play out. >> the big question i have is the impact you believe that the victim's family speaking out on the stand and what the impact is then on the jury. you can see what the prosecution is arguing for the death penalty. what's the impact of these stories being told once again to the jury? >> i think in terms of the cruelty of this crime and heinous nature of this crime, that's what these people will be speaking to. they're going to be speaking to how this has affected their lives and especially hearing from the families of the little boy, martin richards, that was killed. that in and of itself is enough to establish heinous and cruel nature of this crime. that's why we're hearing from

a law enforcement consultant and he is also a former nypd detective and also legal analyst sunny hostin. in watching a bit of that news conference tom, the sheriff seems very defensive. >> yeah. i think there's good reason for him to be defensive. there's a lot of big question marks that still haven't been answered yet with this. >> he keeps saying we followed all national standards. everything is hunky-dory. it's not. >> i mean there's a -- i don't think the question has been answered talking about the firearm used whether that was his personal firearm -- >> let's go back to this. he's answering a pertinent question now. >> he's qualified. that's documented. >> reporter: the gun he used -- >> is he qualified? >> reporter: to use that specific gun. >> something we're still looking at. that's part of the administrative review. >> reporter: sheriff, you guys have said that this phenomenon of slips and capture is what led mr. bates to confuse a bright yellow taser for a small black handgun. a number of experts have come out since then that said in a lot of ways this is junk science. do you

also cnn legal analyst sunny hostin. dan, have you ever heard of slip and capture, the attorney for this man is basically saying his motor memory took over? have you heard of this? >> well, i haven't heard of that specific term, but i've heard of the phenomenon and heard it referred to in various ways. training in the red zone is one way, when i was in the secret service, that's what we used to do. we would engage in vigorous physical activity. and then you would do a judgment course with your firearm, you're breathing really heavily, and not thinking correctly. and then you have to think, do i shoot or not engage the target. i've heard it called a couple different things, but never slip and capture. >> phil, i mean, is there any science to back this up? >> no, it's junk science. it's not something that's supported by a testable theory, there's no peer reviewed articles that would support this, there's no known rate of error, it's not generally accepted by the scientific community. it's not something in most courts that

drew on call and sunny hostin. you heard them talk about how they immediately zeroed in on the fact that aaron hernandez seemed to indicate he had a sense of what time odin lloyd was killed ant the juror -- and the juror raised the question how could he know what time he was killed because even the medical examiner didn't know. >> it was fascinating. it affirms what i thought juries do. they worked hard and they want to do the right thing. and most importantly when we are talking to juries as lawyers, when you go back to the jury room, ladies and gentlemen of the jury don't leave your common sense behind and what we heard from them is common sense. and how could aaron hernandez know what time it happened when a medical examiner doesn't know what time it happened and it makes a lot of sense. >> and mark that the jurors noted, that pulling a 180 by the defense, saying he was there, and questioning what the jurors said at the trial, kind of their whole take on it have you seen a defense team -- is it common that a def

. >>> i also want to bring in our guest, pastor frank reid here in baltimore and sunny hostin in new, and harry houck. harry, in terms of police tactics, this is obviously difficult for police in new york when you have protesters kind of mobile like this, moving against traffic and then trying to move into the streets. >> exactly. so, you know, as you can see, there is some arrests made when they go into the street. they're not going to allow the traffic to be blocked or bridges to get blocked. this is an illegal demonstration. so the police are being lenient in letting them walk on the sidewalk, they're being escorted. there's probably hundreds of new york city police officers out there, and when they see -- hello? >> sorry, harry. let me jump in. i want to go to chris cuomo. chris, what's the situation where you are in baltimore? >> reporter: yeah. all right, now, we've had gang members who have been trying to be a force for good here. we had a group of bloods linking arms to tell people it's time to go home, even though there was nobody in the street except them. and then some opp

cnn legal analyst and defense attorney danny sa val loss former prosecutor sunny hostin and legal analyst and defense attorney paul callen. also with us cnn correspondent jean casarez, all very knowledgeable about this case. but susan, i want to stay with you. you have been up there for the last four months watching the intricate details of this case. aaron hernandez, so charismatic, and yet when the first guilty verdict was read, he didn't really flinch. he stood there as he always has, but that began to change i believe as you noticed? >> yeah. he looked stunned. he certainly didn't show any emotion but the first thing he did when he had the opportunity was to look past his lawyers to look at his mother and his fiancee say who started crying even before the verdict was read. by now they were openly weeping. and he kept looking back at them, looking back at them, and trying to mouth the words it appeared as though he said be strong. don't worry. but he also glanced over at the mother at that point, the victim's mother, ursula ward, to me one of the most lasting images. when first-degree

. >> sunny hostin former federal prosecutor is also joining us and she is also friends with the mayorf baltimore. i talked to the attorney for the gray family last night and he was saying look i want to tamp down the protesters' expectations that friday they're going to get some vital information. and he doesn't want them getting upset on friday when that information is not forthcoming because he's arguing for the gray family and for the prosecutor they want to keep their strategy close to the vest. they don't want to give out all the information that's going to let anyone who may be potentially indicted know exactly what's coming. >> i think that's right. it's really important in a case like this to manage everyone's expectations because all eyes are on how the prosecutor's office will handle this. and i think further along in the process, quite frankly, is going to be very interesting because prosecutors as jeff toobin knows have two potential tracks. we've seen that play out. you can either choose to charge yourself as the prosecutor because that is well within your jurisdiction or

given that, let's get perspective from my colleague at cnn, sunny hostin former federal prosecutor.the city of baltimore for a number of years close with the mayor, entirely transparent on that. there has been some criticism, though in the fact that she perhaps should have said, you know to the governor together declare a state of emergency on saturday. we -- we already saw a melee and criminal activity then. why wait until several days later? >> i think the criticism is unfounded. baltimore is a large city. some of the lessons from ferguson when you preempt the police in communities of color that have these long-time tensions with the police department, that can escalate a situation. i think in a sense this mayor was damned if she didn't and damned if she didn't. >> she was saying -- i think when we talked about ferguson and the optics of armored trucks the shields and batons almost ready to do battle, i think what she was saying her fear would be that, of escalating the situation. my god, look at the city, would you ever have thought you would see the pictures we saw? would that h

i want to get into this with sunny hostin. neil franklin is a retired state police major. and rob wine hold a former chief spokesperson for the baltimore police department and a crisis and public safety expert. so glad you could join us. neil why not send in the national guard quicker? he said he needed a call from the mayor before sending in reinforcements? >> right. there's a process for declaring a state of emergency. and i'll tell you, i, for one, beginning the day, i didn't think that would end up where we are now. okay with the funeral occurring today with the request from the family, you know for peace. i for one, did not think it would happen, until we started getting the intelligence from -- over social media regarding what the schoolchildren were going to do. >> you didn't think that we would be at this point today. because this weekend, we saw that there was unrest over the weekend. and you said you didn't expect that, but why did it take so long today even to get people and police out on the street? >> yeah i mean that's a very good question. but the baltimore

law enforcement analyst, tom fuentes, former fbi assistant director and our legal analyst, sunny hostin, former federal prosecutor. the department of justice is investigating, the state is investigating, local community police the mayor, a lot of people are investigating. we still don't really know what happened or why this guy was arrested to begin with right? >> some statements have been made about what his thought was, reasonable suspicion to go ahead and chase after him when he ran. but i think the essence of this case that's missing is what was the actually physical cause of the injuries that he received that proved fatal? and we don't have a video of him being shot struck or in any way brutalized that way during the arrest process. they're carrying him basically to the paddy wagon. but that's common. many people don't want to cooperate. so they make you carry them to the transport. and you see him what appears to be him standing on his own two feet. and you say, how could your voicebox be crushed if you're able to do that? so it appears that whatever happened to him happened after

reporter mark punte, who has work exposed the baltimore police department using undue force, sunny hostina brown. i want all of you to stand by. i want to go back to brian todd. brian, you're marching with those protesters. what's happening? brian, i don't know if you can hear me. hell us what's going on. >> reporter: wolf this is a group of marchers that started back in the gilmore area neighborhood of baltimore, walking along st. paul street here towards penn station, making a lot of noise. we are told this is a group of mostly students leading this rally. don't know exactly which student is the march leader. we'll find that out in a few minutes hopefully. but they've been walking a long way. and this is a common refrain from the people who have been marching in favor of justice for freddie gray justice for some of the other victims of police violence. very familiar refrain here. and if experience serves us well they're going to be marching a long way tonight, going to pennsylvania station right now. they're going to hold a gathering to gather more protesters and they plan on marching t

. >> let me get sunny hostin into this this, our cnn legal analyst. you were a prors court, sunny.now you're also good friends with the mayor of baltimore, stephanie rawlings-blake. that's appropriate. if the police are making their presentation of evidence that may have to the prosecutors, city or state prosecutors, it's appropriate to keep it secret right? >> reporter: it is very appropriate. because let's face it it's still an ongoing investigation. the police department will make their presentation they will go over the evidence that they have gathered thus far and they may recommend charges. but it is up to the government the state attorney's office to determine what the evidence is and what evidence supports which charges. and so that investigation is going to continue. it doesn't end with a tiny little package or rather a tiny package given to the state's attorney's office. and any leaks as to what the police department has found could jeopardize that investigation. and so i hope that the public understands that that is the process, that is the process that is undertaken in