peter hotez who is dean of medicine at baylor, and dr.. so, now, dr. hotez, we have heard that americans don't have to wear a mask outside as long as they are not around crowds, and you can see the breakdown in the chart here, and so where should vaccinated americans be wearing the masks and why in some places it is still required? >> well, fredricka, one reason that there is so much confusion, because there is two answers to each question of what america look like in july and august when the transmission is way down, and not for now while there is a significant level of transmission, so while we head into the summer and hit 60 to 70% vaccination rates the transmission will plummet, and life is going to look like it did in 2019 with the one important exception of international travel, because we have not done a good job of vaccinating the rest of the world, and international travel is going to be treacherous, but that is the message to be given that we are only talking about the interim guidance right now until we get deep into the summer

hotez, great to see you.stions for our viewers. we've got so many smart ones, so i want to make sure we get to all the ones we can. the first one is interacting with people who choose not to be vaccinated. this viewer asks i've been fully vaccinated. i have two coworkers choosing not to, one for political reasons and the other has been swayed by the anti-vaxxers. am i more of a danger to them or them to me? >> actually the real answer is the two unvaccinated coworkers are a danger to each other. so the person who's vaccinated has more than a 90% reduced risk of getting either symptomatic illness or actually documented infection including asymptomatic transmission, so it's not perfect. and we'd like to bring transmission down, but the real risk are those two other individuals to each other. so they are extremely vulnerable. >> so let's talk about masks and variants. wearing a mask is being lifted, right, those mandates. but i'm concerned although certain variants have been tested against the current vaccines t

hotez, thank you very much. i know you're extremely busy as well, and we're really, really glad to have you here today. at this point i am going to turn this over to our two wonderful speaks. i'm really excited about the conversation this morning and, again, i invite you all if you do have questions for the speakers, put them in the q&a chat, and we will be following those. at this point, helen and dr. hotez, i'm goings the turn t over. >> what i do for a living is ask questions, and i'm goingng to start doing that now -- >> wait, before you do that, i want to say what an honor it is to be with you, helen. you know, you're one of the first people i look for when i wake up in the morning in terms of following this pandemic. you do such an incredible service to humanity by giving us such timely and important information. i just wanted to thank you for that. >> well, thank you very much. that's veryd kind. so, like becky said, i don't know where you find the time to do everything and write books, but you have a new

hotez, welcome back to "meet the press."let me start with this, how important is it to know the origin of covid? >> it's absolutely essential, chuck. here is the reason why. this is our third pandemic of the 21st century. we had the original sars in 2002 and 2003 that arose out of southern china, affected toronto, ontario. we had respiratory syndrome that caused a terrible epidemic in south korea in 2015. this is the third one. nature -- mother nature is telling us what's going to happen. there's going to be covid 26 and covid 32 unless we fully understand the origins of covid-19. this is absolutely critical. what's needed -- what i'm concerned about is i think the intelligence community has been all over this for the last year and a half. it's not like they've not made efforts. i think -- i'm personally of the opinion that we've pushed intelligence about as far as we can. what we need to do is we need to do an outbreak investigation. we need the team of scientists, of epidemiologists, virologists, bat ecologists in the prov

peter hotez, dean of tropical school of medicine. and preventing the next pandemic book. dr.sing to keep mask mandates in place. do you think that's a good idea? >> well, i think a lot of the businesses were caught off guard and so i think they're still trying to scramble to reset policies and have some internal discussions, but i think as the country comes closer to full vaccination over the summer, given that all the information we've now learned, i think you'll start to see those businesses start to relax things. i mean, we are getting to the point of where later in the summer, we could, the country could look very much like it does pre-pandemic and it's based on the fact that now, anyone who want to get vaccinated can get a vaccine. the transmission rates are going way down and i think the other piece that's really important is the data coming out of real life situations like israel showing that anyone who does break through asymptomatic infection has dramatically reduced virus loads and virus shedding. this is really interrupting transmission which is just such good news

doctor hotez i want to talk about the case numbers because we saw it in israel, we saw it in the uk,hings started to really come down. we saw viral suppression happening. it looks like we're starting to see that in the last week or two, what do you think? >> it might be the case. even in the states that are doing well with vaccination rates. if you look at new york, new jersey as well as california, new mexico, what you've got now is about 60% of the those populations have received a single de, 40 to percent two doses, you're getting up to israel numbers and you are seeing a really steep decline. that is really exciting news. we can reproduce what has been done in israel and in some of the states. the worrisome news is those are all blue or bluish states that lead at the top, if you go to the bottom of the list, all of the deep red states are not doing as well. they are still in the 30% range, in states like georgia, tennessee, alabama, in the south and then wyoming, and idaho up in the mountain area. i worry about, if you remember chris, at this time last year, we were doing very we

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hotez is. that is not true. other part about giving it oxygen, if anyone's been on facebook or twitter or youtube, there's plenty of oxygen for disinformation and why it is winning. people tend to believe that which they hear first and the most. they hear lies and falsehoods more than the truth. it is literally a battle of volume in terms of speech and getting the facts out. they need to rely on experts but we have experts to empower. we can look to empower people at a very local level. for example, i tell you one messenger they should look for right away is child media trirns right now. the next battle is about child vaccines and it is the next big battle that we have. >> yeah. no. i think mr. carlson is leading the way on that attacking messages of vaccine safety for the next age group. i want to ask you, though, clint about this intersection of a russian attack on the country and white supremacy and then fox news dignifying the same arguments. the russian attacks on the country have been going on for a long t

hotez, what do you think? at this stage in the game is finding out its origin more of a political issue or science and medical issue? >> clearly a science and medical issue. we have to know about the origins because this is the second major sars-coronavirus to emerge out of china. the first one in 2002/2003. so if there's a pattern of naturally occurring serious sars pandemic coming out of vine, we need to understand why, or otherwise we're going to see covid-26 and covid-32. i'm a little overconcerned maybe we're overturnting the three lab workers even if it's true. remember, "the south china morning post" a year or so ago claimed to identified patient ground zero from hubei province on november 17th, who was the first patient identified with covid. so that's out there in the public domain. if you look at john bronstein's group at harvard medical school, the biomedical and fer naticks group, they're seeing an upscale in the disease in wuhan hospital since the start of that year. i think there are more questio

peter hotez. dr. hotez, it's good to see you. i want to start with dr. fauci's comments.a question put to him, but are you worried about people dropping their guard too soon when it comes to masks? >> i think it is the right thing to do, jeff, because this has been the problem all along. the american people have not really had a road map to follow. they keep hearing these one-off guidelines from the cdc that are not contextualized and a road map of where we're actually heading with the country. this is why you see a number of physicians and others are criticizing the cdc because they don't understand why the cdc is being so conservative. the message needs to be that as we fully vaccinate the american people, by the summer, and that's because it becomes more easy to vaccinating individuals. as virus transmission goes down, then we open up and look like something we did pre-pandemic with the exception that international travel will still be treacherous and there is a lot of transmission. the flaw in the cdc communication has been not sort of showing the step-by-step road ma

now we kick off the weekend with peter hotez. she shares his thoughts on how -- he shares his thoughts on how future pandemics can be prevented. >> my name is becky seabrook, and i want to wish you all a very warm welcome from houston, texas, the health i museum. i am the

hotez, they might need your help. tell us more about the vaccine you're working on. >> our group at texas children's and baylor has developed a low-cost protein vaccine that uses an older technology, the same one that the hepatitis b vaccine uses. it's been around for decades. and what's nice about it is there's no upper bound to the amount you can produce. so we've now partnered with biological e, one of the big vaccine producers. they're also scaling up the johnson & johnson vaccine, and they say they have the capacity to produce a billion doses. we just announced it's going to start phase three clinical trials with the hope it could be released for emergency use in india by the beginning of summer, and remember we have a billion people to vaccinate in subsaharan africa, latin america, and we need billions and billions of doses and something like this which is low cost, unfussy and easy to deliver. >> incredible. some places are turning away new shipments here because they don't need them. what happens to those vacc

>> well, you know, peter hotez is exactly right.understand the origins of this virus because we need to be able to prevent future pandemics. in order to do so, we need to learn from the past, if it is an animal spillover, how do we prevent contact with this, and control it better? focusing on wet markets, wildlife trade, animal to human transmissions, and studies to understand it better. if this is a lab leak, it has critically important implications for how we move forward working with laboratories globally. should there be some sort of a global body that will be monitoring laboratories to make sure that we don't see these kinds of lab leaks? you have heard many scientists say, this happens regularly. there are lab accidents that happen regularly. not necessarily serious ones, but lab accidents. that's why in the united states, we have such strong regulations when it comes to working in laboratories. very important, we need to be able to prevent pandemics before they start. that's why we need to do what dr. hotez suggests in invest

peter hotez now, the codirector for the center of vaccine development at texas children's hospital. doctor, president biden has set the goal of at least one shot for 70% of adults by independence day is that in your opinion the right target, and do you think it's achievable? >> well, i think it's the right target by the beginning of july. i think we're going to need to go beyond that because actually to stop virus transmission we probably have to get to 70, 75% of the whole population not just the adults and because about 15% of the population is under the age of 12 that means more or less every adult and adolescent ultimately but it is a good goal by july 1, and i think we can get there the only asterisk on that there may be a lot ofauot of heteroget across the country in terms of some states doing better than others we're already seeing what looks like a red state, blue state divide when you look at the country right now the top ten states vaccinating and almost at that point are the new england states, new york, california, new mexico, all blue or bluish states and the bottom whi

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peter hotez, thank you for making the time tonight. >>> "the rachel maddow show" starts right now.friend, much appreciated. >>> thank you at home for joining us at this hour. whenever something comes up in washington that has to do with the capitol police, the police force that guards the capitol grounds and that complex, you'll often hear about it first from a congressman from ohio named tim ryan. the reason is that congressman ryan runs a subcommittee in congress that specifically has responsibility for overseeing and funding the capitol police. so congressman tim ryan is sort of the closest thing that congress has to a point person on that issue, on that

peter hotez at baylor college of medicine, co-director of the texas hospital. because we saw in israel, in the u.k. around 50% things started to really come down. we saw viral suppression happening. it looks like we are starting to see that in the last week or two here. what do you think? >> it may be the case, especially in the states that are doing well with vaccination rates. so if you look at the new england states, new york, new jersey, as well as california, new mexico, what you have now is about 60% of the country -- 60% of those populations have received a single dose. 40 to 45% two doses. so you are getting up towards israel numbers and you are seeing a really steep decline. so that's really exciting news that we could reproduce what's been done in israel in some of the states. the worrisome news, those are blue or blueish states that lead at the top. the bottom of the list, all the deep red states are not doing nearly as well. they are still in the 30% range in states like georgia, tennessee, alabama, in the south, and then wyoming and idaho up in the

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hotez, we will leave it there. be well, we'll talk to you soon. >>> the mixed message is making it hard for some people to adjust to the new mask guidance. some hesitant to remove it but not because of health reasons. business owners are feeling their way around the new rules we have team coverage coast to coast. we begin with gadi schwartz in los angeles where mask wearing is all about politics. >> reporter: hey, scott, yeah. those cdc guidelines haven't been fully implemented here but the good news is you don't have to wear a mask anymore if you're outside in public and have been fully vaccinated still, a lot of these masks have taken on a political undertone and that's why some people in los angeles say they're going to wear it. >> i'm fully vaccinated but i wear it because i don't want people to think i'm opposed to masks. >> going inside a workplace you still have to wear a mask and county health authorities say that's because it's difficult for businesses to know who's vaccinated and who isn't back to you. >>

hotez, is these vaccines are in trial for kids even younger, 12 to 15. you've seen in these studies. >> certainly in the adolescence, it looks great. there was a phase three study where 1200 kids 122015 were vaccinated, 1200 placebo. so complete efficacy, which is extraordinary, and it goes with really high levels of virus neutralizing antibody, which is the closest we have to correlate protection. so we can fully vaccinate, not only can we open up middle schools and high schools safely in the fall, it means we could vaccinate or way out this, because it's also halting transmission. what it means is the president said 70% of adults is actually not enough in the long run. we need 70% to 75% of the entire population. because we have about 15% of the u.s. population under the age of 12 not yet eligible, it mean practically every adult and adolescent. i think the president is now focusing on ensuring that anyone who wants to get vaccination nated will, and that's commendable, but ultimately he'll have to deal with the conservative groups. >>> thank you both.

peter hotez says in order to prevent future pandemics it is essential to fully understand the origins of covid-19. but he said the investigation can't be done without china's cooperation. >> i think we have to really put a lot of pressure on china, including possible sanctions, to allow a team of outstanding epidemiologists and virginiaologists in -- virologists in china with unfettered access. jillian: this as members of the mainstream media admits that some things president trump said about the lab leak may be true, even though some reporters ignored it. >> we need to know how it started 678 i think a lot of people have egg on their face. it was an idea that was put forward by mike pompeo, secretary of state, donald trump. some things may be true, even if donald trump said them. jillian: and facing mounting pressure is president biden who gave the intelligence community 90 days to conduct further investigations into the covid-19 origin theories. todd: thank you very much. jillian: there is optimism from some republicans that a deal on infrastructure can be reached. but as lawmakers

hotez, co-dir co-di co-director of the vaccine development. glad you're here. the science is clear, we're still seeing a lot of hesitancy. this is what reverend franklin graham said earlier on cnn. >> vaccines are important. i would encourage people to pray about it, consider it. i would never tell someone they had to have it or mandate it. i think we certainly should encourage people to consider the vaccine. if you don't take it, there are some real risks for some groups. >> has the white house, reverend graham, ever reached out to you about this and asked you to do a public service announcement, something along those lines? >> no, not yet, but i'd be glad to if they called. i certainly would try to work with them and help them any way i could. >> so look at your -- i'm going to put up on your screen now, a pew center research survey found 45% of white evangelicals say they definitely won't or probably wouldn't get vaccinated. do you think this is going to mac a d make a difference, doctor? >> we need many more leaders like that. don, what we're seeing is very

hotez, is not getting answers. >> mother nature is going to tell us what's going to happen, there iso be covid 26 and covid 32 unless we fully understand the origins of covid-19. this is absolutely critical and what is needed. >> do you agree with his dire warning? >> well, there are certainly going to be more pandemics whether it is another influenza or coronavirus. it is not really clear but understanding the yards are important. the scientific communities are going to try to move towards a vaccine that would work towards multiple coronaviruses should be easier to obtain just as theys are trying to develop vaccines that'll work against essentially all influenza viruses. i think it is important to find out the origins of this and we do not know at this point. i think it is likely it is natural. but, this reasonable possibility was an accidental lab release. >> finally, briefly you leave us all with a warning and that humor is not our friend. what have we learned? >> india thought they have done very well and relaxeder everythg and they got hit with the new variant and dire situation

peter hotez said in order to prevent future pandemics, it is essential to fully understand the originsvid-19 but he said the investigation cannot be done without china's cooperation. >> i think we have to really put a lot of pressure on china including possible sanctions to allow a team of outstanding epidemiologists and virginiaologists in china with unfettered access to animals, to people, to samples, to the lab. >> reporter: this as one member of the mainstream media admits some things former president donald trump said about the lab leak may have been true even though some reporters ignored it. listen. >> we need to know how it started. and, yes, i think a lot of people have egg on their face. this was an idea that was first put forward by mike pompeo, secretary of state, donald trump, and, look, some things may be true even if donald trump said them. >> reporter: facing mounting pressure is president biden who gave the intelligence committee 90 days to conduct further investigation into the covid-19 origin theories, todd, jillian. jillian: ashley, thank you. todd: a ten-year-old m

hotez, so helpful in helping us all understand it. thank you very much. >> thanks. >>> now to capitol hill and congresswoman liz cheney, a warning that her days are numbered. >> according to a senior house republican member who tells cnn, quote, liz is gone, just a question of how and when. kevin mccarthy could hold a vote to remove her from her leadership position as soon as next week, all because she refuses to bend a knee to the former president and his lie about 2020 election fraud, that he lost, but mccarthy claims it's about more than that. >> there's no concern about how she voted on impeachment. that decision has been made. i have heard from members concerned about her ability to carry out the job as conference chair, to carry out the message. we all need to be working as one. haven't heard members concerneded about her vote on impeachment. it's more concerned about the job, the ability to do and what's her best step forward we could all work together instead of attacking one another. >> liz cheney is drawing her own line in t

peter hotez, doctor, all the time? really? turns into a major outbreak? >> yeah, i certainly would not say all the time. i think, you know, maybe what dr. gottlieb was referring to when the chinese were first trying to understand the original sars, sars-1, there was one small outbreak from the chinese cdc and there was an infected individual in singapore. and one in taiwan. but i wouldn't -- i would not say all the time. in fact, we put a lot of emphasis here in the united states, because we have several biosafety level 4 facilities, including one in boston, one in galveston, texas, near us, and then a couple of others where we provide a lot of assurances to the public that these are carefully controlled. so they do happen, but they're, overall, fairly uncommon. i think the big issue for china right now is the fact that we don't understand the origins of covid-19. and that's really important to figure out because now this is our third major coronavirus epidemic/pandemic of the 21st century. we had sars in 2002, 2003. we had --

peter hotez. doctor, good to see you.m glad you're here to explain some of the science and what's going on right now. we need you more than ever. so the science is clear. vaccines save lives, but we're still seeing a lot of hesitancy, especially among white evangelical christians. this is what reverend franklin graham said earlier on cnn. >> vaccines are important. i would encourage people to pray about it, consider it. i would never tell somebody they had to have it or try to mandate it, but i think we certainly should encourage people to consider the vaccine. and if you don't take it, there's some real risks for some groups. >> has the white house, reverend graham, actually reached out to you about this and asked you to do a public service announcement, something along those lines? >> no, not yet, but i'd be glad to if they call. i certainly would try to work with them and help them in any way i could. >> so look at your -- i want to put up on your screen now. there's a pew research center survey. it found that 45%, 45%

let's bring in do peter hotez. let's start with this u.s. intelligence report. if researchers in the wuhan lab were hospitalized as early as november 129 a month before the chinese government claimed the first person with covid-like symptoms showed up, what might that tell you? >> well, we don't know it. could be from covid-19 or possibly another coronavirus since they were working on other coronaviruses at the institute. i mean, we're not going to get to the bottom of this, jake, as jen psaki said until we have an international team of scientists and what this has to be done it will require six months of outbreak investigation. there's a method to this where we're taking blood samples from laboratory animal reservoirs, from individuals across hub yeah province because there's some indication it might not have started in wuhan but other parts of hub yeah, the province where wuhan is the largest city in. we need to interview the scientists. we need to go through their records, the logs of the virus, and until we can do all that have in a transparent way i don't t

hotez and lauren are saying, kate, this is a month long, nearly a year long project now. political project that rand paul has been on. he wants to besmer much the charm and expertise. that is something that he can then turn around and take to republican base voters that he's taking it to this dr. who was seen as sort of the handling of the covid-19. that's what this is. it is political theater for the purpose of inventivizing donors, grassroots donors to commit to rand paul, give some money and for rand paul to continue to build his base support. there is nothing in that exchange that was actually about illuminating the american pup liquor searching for answers. >> david. thank you. one of the big headlines on the doctor coming out to have day is pfizer is now that vaccine is now approved down to for children down to the as young as 12 years old. as a pediatrician by training yourself, what is your reaction? what do you think of this? >> we're seeing with this b.1.1.7 variant, a lot of adolescents get sick from covid-19. they're accounting for the lion share of hospitaliz

peter hotez now, the codirector for the centering for vaccine development at texas children's hospital. doctor, president biden has set the goal for 70% of adults by independence day do you think it's the right target and achievable? >> i think it's the right target i think we're going to need to go beyond that to stop virus transmission, we probably have to get to 70%, 75% of the whole population, not just the adults. because about 15% of the population is under the age of 12, that means more or less every adult and adolescent ultimately i think we can get to that goal. the only asterisk is there may be a lot of heterogenetity, and we're looking like a blue state/red state divide the top ten states that were vaccinating, almost at that point are the new england states, new york, california, new mexico, all blue or bluish states the bottom, which are only about 30, 35%, 36% are all deep red states so idaho, wyoming, the mountain area, tennessee, alabama, georgia, et cetera in the south. so in terms of sending away unused dose to say other states, the risk of that one is we do create th

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were violating, and i can follow up more with you on the specific details of that >> reporter: now, hotezg disinformation we asked the surgeon general today about this and he said, the administration strategy is putting out accurate information and working with social media companies to rout out disinformation >> the cdc is reporting faye some reaction to the j&j shot were actually anxiety related. >> that's right. this dates back to about three weeks ago when mass vaccination sites from colorado to north carolina to georgia temporarily closed after reports people felt dizzy or nauseated or even fanltd after getting the j&j shots. there was an investigation noting all of the reactions were anxiety related. none were serious. they happened in all different states between april 7 and 9 all in, 64 people experienced these anxiety-related symptoms in four of the five sites, it was all on the first day they started giving the j&j shot. now, one thing the cdc points out, this is the only one dose vaccine out there for covid. so people who have a fear of shots may gravitate toward that one and t

hotez? >> what i think the problem is that we're, unfortunately, dividing it to two covid nations. where if you go and look at the new england states, new york, new jersey, california, new mexico, we're -- we're getting to that 70% of adults and pretty quickly, and i think the current recommendations work really well, but down here where i am in the southern part of the country we're at half that level, and that's what we have to fix because those recommendations will not work down here but they are going to work in the northern part of the country, so we need to -- i think the emphasis -- rather than focusing on the specifics of the recommendation i think the emphasis has to be what are we doing to bring the south up to the same level as the north and also some of the other states like wyoming and idaho which are also really lagging behind, and that's where all focus has to be right now in the u.s. >> doctor, what do you make of the largest nurses union in the u.s. criticizing the cdc saying the decision to say that vaccinated people do not need to wear masks indoors or outdoors i

peter hotez, co-director of the texas children's hospital for vaccine development. he is the dean of the national school of tropical medicine. let's start where we just left off with stephanie, this idea about herd immunity. for months we have been talking about herd immunity. reaching a certain number of americans vaccinated to largely protect the broader population. this is what dr. fauci and dr. walensky said about herd immunity this morning. >> my goal is not a specific enough. >> we have to get away from this elusive concept and elusive threshold. we don't know what that number is for coronavirus, because we have never been through this experience before. >> doctor, for months it was all about herd immunity. get to herd immunity. now it's like, maybe it's not about herd immunity. what changed? >> well, to be honest, i stopped using that term as of last year. the reason i did that was the term was so abused by right wing groups and these right wing think tanks and setting fake numbers out there that we would reach herd immunity at 20%, 40%. it did damage to the

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peter hotez. you heard the plan, you heard the strategy. what do you think?t's important that he sets ambitious goals and i think we can do this. you know, the problem is even 70% of adults may not be adequate. what we really need is 70% of the entire population of the united states in order to really slow dramatically transmission. and so that means almost all of the adults and adolescents. so, i think it's good we do have goals, but even that ambitious goal may not be sufficient. i think the strength of this is he's doing everything he can to vaccinate anyone who wants to get vaccinated. creating pop-up clinics, making that anyone who wants to have a walk-in appointment can go ahead and do so. these things are really important for access. the one piece that he did not really address, or at least i didn't hear it, is the group that's now dug in and saying that they're not going to get vaccinated. and we know who that is. we have four independent news polls from pbs newshour, kizer from monmouth university, from quinnipiac and it's 40% to 50% of people who id

peter hotez here on this program. >> people are clamoring for the vaccine in india and brazil and itolescents so if it's absolutely necessary, sure although it's tough to swallow. >> health experts say one of the most effective ways to get people vaccinated has been at the local level, hearing from trusted people in the community. >>> an encouraging sign in the jobs picture, 473,000 americans applied for unemployment benefits last week that's the lowest number since the pandemic began, according to the labor department but filling positions remains an issue, especially in retail and food 84% of restaurants say their staffing levels are still lower than normal. in an effort to attract more americans back to work, some companies are now hiking up pay. cnbc's kate rogers has details hi, kate. >> hey, carl every company that i speak to, large and small, is looking for workers and many are now hiking pay ahead of the busy summer season mcdonald's announcing pay at company locations by an average of 10%, pledging to take on 10,000 workers in the next 3 months that hike applies to about 650

peter hotez, thank you for making the time tonight. >>> "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, chris, thank you, my friend, much appreciated. >>> thank you at home for joining us at this hour. whenever something comes up in washington that has to do with the capitol police, the police force that guards the capitol grounds and that complex, you'll often hear about it first from a congressman from ohio named tim ryan. the reason is that congressman ryan runs a subcommittee in congress that specifically has responsibility for overseeing and funding the capitol police. so congressman tim ryan is sort of the closest thing that congress has to a point person on that issue, on that police force. and today, as that point person, with that expertise and experience, congressman tim ryan basically lost his mind a little bit. >> i want to thank the gentleman from new york and the other republicans who are supporting this and thank them for their bipartisanship. to the other 90% of our friends on the other side of the aisle, holy cow. incoherence. no i

hotez is. and an end to the pandemic lives we've been living to go and deliver that message on fox news? >> so, you know, you know -- i mean, nicole, you know, and i'm glad, by the way, i'm in my office today in washington, d.c., taking a plane, double vaksed. i kind of feel, you know, that the world has changed. >> normal? >> yeah. normal. you know better than most the -- what has happened in terms of disinformation. you cover it every single day. but what happens with propaganda and disinformation is that you take that and fear and you have a toxic room and you repeat it over and over again and people are just fearful and they're just going to listen to who they think their best messengers are, and so we are seeing, in our polls and other polls, that vaccine hesitancy, you know, is not just -- you don't just see it in black and brown communities. you see it ideologically, and so we need to try to pierce that misinformation, and i think that one of the ways you pierce that information, look, i