hotez, dr. blackstock, two important, comforting voices to have on here to help guide folks through this. thank you both. i appreciate it. >>> meanwhile, we have breaking news out of the justice department. the attorney general, merrick garland, plans to have a press conference at 2:30 p.m. eastern time, expected to announce the u.s. government plans to sue the state of texas over the law that effectively bans all abortions after six weeks. we have known since monday doj planned to take action to challenge the law. texas sba, abortion law. in about an hour, we'll find out what the action is. it isn't clear what justice can do here, but it may expedite how soon the supreme court may hear a case involving texas. we'll hear the remarks at 2:30. >>> coming up, the president is expected to call on all schools to set up regular testing. is it too late? i speak to two superintendents. >>> and later, first time since the u.s. withdrawal, the taliban allowed a passenger jet with around 200 americans and

peter hotez. he's dean of the national school of topical medicine. thank you for being with me. dr. hotez, i want to begin with promising news for vaccinated teens and adults. across the u.s., daily vaccinations are slightly up from the middle of july. where do you make where we stand today? >> you know, jose, this in my opinion is one of the most important stories of the covid pandemic that has yesterday to be told. last summer, the hispanic community got hit very hard. we had huge numbers of overwhelmed hospitals on the border and in south texas here in houston, and a lot of mothers and fathers were lost. we're talking about hispanic men and women in their 40s and 50s and orphaned a whole generation of hispanic teenagers, young adults. it was just, just devastating. then in the fall t congressional and hispanic caucus including the dallas group and those in the el paso area called me to testify. i called it a historic decimation of the hispanic community. at that time, it was almost as high as w

hotez, let's take a step back for a second. the u.s. death toll from coronavirus just passed the total number of deaths in the united states from the 1918 flu pandemic. how preventable was it for the u.s. to reach and surpass that horrific milestone? >> jake, you know, what i'm focusing right now are on the deaths that have occurred after april and may because, by april or may, any american who wanted to get vaccinated and was eligible to get vaccinated, so we've lost 100,000 americans since april or may. almost all of them unvaccinated. almost all of those deaths preventable. those were unnecessary deaths. and we're still on a terrible trajectory. the estimates are from the institute for health metrics and other organizations, another 100,000 deaths on top of that by the end of the year. so 200,000 americans who are needlessly going to lose their lives. we're at 200,000 deaths per day. we never should be in this place right now. >> there is some good news today. pfizer has promising data suggesting that a low dose of its vaccine is saf

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peter hotez, dean of tropical medicine at baylor college of medicine. dr. is your reaction to this, how unusual is this breaking with advisers? >> well, if what she wound up doing was mostly siding with the fda's recommendation and, you know, it's -- i understand both sides of this discussion, both from the advisory committee and immunization practices and her statement this morning and ultimately i side with d dr. walensky, but it is based on very limited data. we have from israel showing that the ithird immunization gives substantially increased protection against hospitalizations and breakthrough cases and possibly long covid. but it is only based on 25 days after the third immunization. so limited data in hand. and then there is a study that was put up in the morbidity, mortality weekly reports and on wr showing a decline in infected for the pfizer vaccine. i think the scientists on the acip and the group on the acip would say there is not enough data here to justify that full recommendation of going to high risk individuals. but i think dr. walensky an

hotez? >> it all depends on whether the executive leaders of those states, the governors put in place the policies needed to get the kids through the school year. look, the reason why we've had so many pediatric hospitalizations here in the south is one, of course, the delta variant, but the other is the vaccination rates among the parents are so profoundly low, and among the adolescents so profoundly low. in some cases 20, 25% of the adolescents are vaccinated, not much better for the younger parents. and then the third was this refusal, this defiance of any kind of mask mandates. that's what we need to keep kids from protecting each other in the schools. so it's all up to the leadership of each state to say we really want to have in-person classes and then put the policies in place to make it possible. it means everybody who walks into that school has to have a mask on, maybe the exception of some of the special needs kids. everybody who walks into the school who is eligible to get vaccina

hotez, thank you for being on.ised president biden for the steps he's taking to curb covid-19. you said it's not enough. you suggested he appoint special advisers to travel and send what message exactly? >> boris, in fact, i offered to be one of the ambassadors. look, we're in a dire crisis here and the numbers are really more like 1500 deaths per day now with some projections that we're going to get up to 800,000 deaths by december 1. we've lost 100,000 americans since may. all unnecessary deaths because they didn't go with the scientific information. unfortunately, the bar is really high for stopping this epidemic. this virus, delta variant is so highly transmissible. it means we need 85% of the country fully vaccinated. that means another 100 million more americans. the federal mandates are a good step. i think it will help close that gap but it's not going to be nearly enough. we're going to have to figure out a way to get by because just the way the constitution is written, the federal government has only so m

hotez, great to see you again. the biden administration talking about, announcing this plan to have the booster shots available by september 20th but now that plan may have to be scaled back. what are your thoughts on this, and do you think the white house spoke too soon? >> well, i think looking at this from the very beginning, i've been saying there's a high likelihood that both of the mrna vaccines will be three-dose vaccines and j&j vaccine will turn out to be a two-dose vaccine. when those two vaccinations were given, they were given three and four weeks apart, that schedule was selected because we were in crisis, losing 3,000 american lives in day. we had to get the health care workers, we had to get the nursing home residents fully immunized as quickly as possible. ordinarily you would not select that schedule for long lasting protection. that's why when you look at a lot of pediatric vaccines, you give several doses in a row and then you wait six months to a year before you give that next immunization. that

peter hotez and also, policy director dr. ka vita patel. and so i want to talk about the politics of it, and mike, you made the great point in president biden's speech, and you said that in laying out his covid plan and his vaccine mandate, he was tapping into the core assumption of the successful presidential campaign, and the loud extremes were dwarfed by the more silent majority and what struck the president's scolding tone, he was giving voice to the vaccinated majority. >> yeah, that is exactly right, geoff, because it is 24 hours since we began to get much more of the details of the president's new six-pronged approach to tackling covid and the delta variant, and you have a lot more intelligent and expert guests who can get into the specifics of what this means for the general public, but what struck me in the state dining room, and listening to the president speak is the tone. there is a real shift around the politics of the pandemic, and the numbers around this score have been beginning to dip, and it dawned on the white house that

peter hotez at texas children's hospital. gabe, first to you, you're at st.onal medical center where i understand there is a shortage of space because covid patients are lining up the hospital's being forced to take some drastic measures >> yeah, that's right, andrea. we're here inside a tent that's been set up in the parking lot for monoclonal antibody treatments patients are set to arrive here within the hour. there's none right at this moment as you can see, they would be put right here they're given four injections. this is not the monoclonal antibodies that are administered through ivs. they're given four injections, two in the stomach and one in each arm we just saw the inside of this hospital, the covid unit there is packed. they have dozens of covid patients, which is a lot for a hospital this size 11 patients right now are on ventilators, and we spoke with a couple of the workers here who say that this is the worst it's been during the entire pandemic. take a listen. >> is it frustrating to know that a year and a half into the pandemic, though, we're

hotez, maura, thank you so much. we've got to turn to a bizarre twist down in south carolina.ng about really for years. authorities say prominent attorney alec murdock arranged for another man to kill him earlier this month so his son could collect a $10 million life insurance policy. we have the shocking new details. katie? >> reporter: overnight south carolina law enforcement announcing an arrest in the bizarre shooting that left prominent attorney alec murdock hospitalized, part of a plot police say murdock admitted to organizing himself. law enforcement arresting curtis robert smith, charging him with assisted suicide and insurance fraud. documents reveal murdock instructed smith to shoot him in the head and gave him the firearm to do it so murdock's son could collect benefits on a $10 million life insurance claim. on tuesday, admitted to being present during the shooting and disposing of the gun, adding more charges are expected. police documents describe murdaugh as a co-defendant, in an exclusive statement obtained by nbc news, murdaugh's lawyers blame the shooting inci

peter hotez and chris jansing and shaquille brewster, thank you. as we stick to this topic, i want to bring in the governor of washington state jay inslee who has instituted one of the strictest vaccine mandates in the country. governor, since we are awaiting this vote on the boosters, what are you hoping they designed what are you hearing from your own state officials on this very topic? >> i hope and i have every confidence they will be making a decision based on the best data available, and doing the right thing which is to carefully review the evidence and the data from all over the world, and then making a scientifically sound decision. i think that the process of making that decision involves asking good questions and hard questions which they are doing, so i feel that we will get a good result, and follow the result and save hundreds of thousands of lives by following that result. so in this nation, when we make a decision based on science, and make decisions based on the common good, we can beat a common enemy, and that is covid right now,

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hotez, your world is the world of science.mised by july 4th victory of this and the delta variant messed up that time to say the least. now you've got him again suggesting september 20th which is monday and it will not get emergency use authorization on monday and where do you come down as to whether there's enough data to warrant general use for the population as a whole or should you be limited to immunocompromise, to its citizens or something else? >> andrea, from the beginning i've been saying this will be a three-dose vaccine, likely the moderna is as well because we gave those first two immunizations so close together and that was needed to fully immunize the government quickly and remember the nursing home residents we were losing in such a high number. you tend to sacrifice durability and most of them were first based apart. we wait six months to a year and then boost and it seemed to me the that that the mrna vaccines would go by that same playbook and i've been saying we'll need a third immunization. the question is

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peter hotez from texas children's hospital. msnbc senior international correspondent chris jansing at a hospital in north carolina for us. also shaquille brewster in louisiana. dr. hotez, firgs your reaction to the announcement from the advisory committee saying that anyone that's 60 and older should not be getting a third booster shot or booster shot of any kind. what do you make of this decision, seems like a surprise from where the trend was looking like it was going. >> remember, this is the first vote. my understanding is there could be another vote that follows on a specific recommendation for older americans and we'll have to see if that's the case. while i am not surprised by the decision, you know, my opinion, this was always going to be a three dose vaccine and i think there's a lot going for recommending the third immunization. my understanding, it was three votes for, 16 against. if i were there, i probably would have been a fourth affirmative for moving forward to this. and it has to do with the fact that it sounds

peter hotez. doctor, always great to see you.kground information ahead of tomorrow's meeting on boosters. how do you think this will play out? >> there is also some important data presented from israel that was published last night in "the new england journal of medicine" that over 35 the third booster does a tremendous amount. those that got the third immunization 20 times less likely to get serious impact. the problem with it is that they only looked up to 25 days after the immunization, after the third immunization and don't have much data after the third immunization and we don't see a lot of saferty data and it comes to light tomorrow. i think there's a high likelihood that the recommendation tf third immunizations for those over 60 or 65. i don't know if it's a universal recommend dais and not seen any data on the moderna or j&j vaccine. >> there's a potential plan for a booster program. there those eligible be able to >> i think so. the early on we relied on the pharmacy chains and hospital systems to provide immunization

hotez, when you see these large crowds and packed stadiums, what goes through your mind?ricted in the united states, right now in the south, the south is on fire in terms of the raging epidemic, in terms of new cases especially among young people. now we have 100,000 americans in hospitals as we speak, and the deaths are climbing to over 1,500 deaths a day, almost all of them among the unvaccinated. so it troubles me that we somehow decided this is over and the delta variant is surging across america. >> along those lines, there is a lot of talk about boosters. according to the "new york times," federal health officials have told the white house it's time to scale back that booster plan for a third shot. what is your take on some of the mixed messages that we're getting right now around it. >> i think it's really important, dana, to break it down by individual vaccines. the pfizer biontech vaccine, the data coming out of israel is showing the effectiveness is going down 50% over a six-month time period. that's expected when the vaccines were initially rolled out when thos

hotez, great to see you.is kind of stunning to look at, to have it stare you in the face. 40 million americans have now contracted a virus that didn't even exist at this point two years ago. but it has gotten so much worse in recent weeks. can you put this in perspective for us? >> yeah. it really has, jim. and the other milestone that we're coming up on is we're about to exceed the number of deaths that occurred in the 1918 flu pandemic in the united states. that's put at 667,000 so we're reaching that as well. what's happening, jim, is the epidemic's been in the south this whole summer. and it's still there, maybe going down a little bit in places like florida. but now we're seeing it pick up spreading laterally and northwards. south carolina is getting hit hard. and now we're seeing west virginia, ohio get hit, and extending west across texas. and we're seeing a second node form after the sturgis rally in western south dakota. so that's expanding outward as well. the worry this is all going to become confl

peter hotez. data showing over 95% of all of the counties in our country experiencing high rates of transmission. 75% of american adults have now received at least one vaccine dose, but as we said, the white house says the president will debut later this week a new six-pronged strategy, meant to curb this variant, get more shots in more arms. so we're happy to have back with us again tonight, dr. irvin redlenner. doctor, i want to gauge your level of concern and maybe it's regional for the weeks and months ahead. >> well, good evening, brian. so unfortunately, something like this kind of pandemic with a wildly out of control delta variant is not likely to stay anything, regional or otherwise. in the northeast, we're in a bubble, and hopefully it doesn't lead to complacency where we think we're invulnerable. i think all bets are off. and i think we do need to be cautious. we just had our big labor day holiday, with a lot of people gathering together. and we're putting 55 million children back into

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peter hotez.now showing that 95% of the counties in our country now experiencing high rates of transmission. while we did just cross a major rubicon, in that 75% of americans have received at least one vaccine dose, the white house says the president will debut this week a new six pronged strategy meant to work across public and private sectors to curb the variant. get more shots and more arms. so we are happy to have back with us, doctor irwin red liner, founder of columbia university's center for emergency preparedness, also a professor of pediatrics. doctor, i want to gauge your level of concern. and maybe it's regional, for the weeks and months ahead. >> well, good evening brian. unfortunately, something like this kind of pandemic, where the wildly out of control delta variant is not likely to say anything. in some ways, in the northeast, we are living in a bubble. hopefully it does not lead to complacency, where we figure we are in vulnerable. i think all bets are off now. i don't want to ala

hotez, this isn't just something you've been talking about since the beginning of the pandemic.ething you've been working on. tell us where this effort lags and how the president can strengthen it with his summit tomorrow. >> well, you know, in fairness, nicole, the details of what he is going to propose, we'll learn about tomorrow. i did not hear too much today. i mean, you know, what we've never heard from the president or the white house is the scope of the task at hand. we've got 1.1 billion people in sub-saharan africa, people in latin america, another half a billion people in the smaller low-income countries of southeast asia. that's 2 to 3 billion people times 2 to 3 doses. you know, we're looking at up to 8, 9 billion doses that we need and we don't need it by 2023 or 2024. we need it now. so, what's the plan? and you know, he touts providing 160 million doses of the pfizer-biontech vaccine with another few hundred million planned for that. it's barely enough to vaccination nate the country of nigeria, so there doesn't seem -- he doesn't seem to have his arms around -- a

hotez, dr. fauci, myself, many of us agree.d a booster why the question is, is there enough evidence for people under 65 to get it? i disagree with the committee advisory. there's compelling evidence but they wanted to keep it clean. 65 and older is no-brainer but every american should be thinking when did i get my second dose? some americans are due that won't qualify in that category outlined friday but the cdc will weigh in on this. >> i wanted to kind of play how this might kind of i guess play out or talk through how it might play out and what i mean is if there's not enough evidence now does that mean the fda is waiting for more evidence and then revisit this issue in three or six month's time? >> i think it is sooner and i hope we don't wait for breakthrough infections. the agency needs to put out the official guidance. the cdc meets wednesday. i suspect the official guidance will match what we heard friday and might not. to your point, yasmin, what they wait for is actually some of the 16 and above data to be collected

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hotez, thank you both for joining us this morning.questions are swirling about vaccinations for kids, many across the country are returning to school. later today, i will be speaking with education secretary cardona. you can catch some of our conversation tomorrow morning right here on msnbc at 9:00 a.m., and the rest on saturday at 2:00 p.m. as part of the texas tribune festival. visit festival.texastribune.org for ways to stream the event. >>> coming up next, gabby petito's family says her fiancee is in hiding. the case is now a criminal homicide investigation. the latest on the florida search for the man gabby was set to marry. >>> donald trump suing his own niece, the nearly $100 million lawsuit claiming she conspired with the "new york times." uld help you budget even better. virtual wallet® with low cash mode℠ from pnc bank. one way we're making a difference. at usaa, we've been called too exclusive. because we only serve those who honorably served. all ranks, all branches, and their families. are we still exclusive? absolutely.

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peter hotez who directs the center for disease development at texas children's hospital.econd day of this meeting and based on what we've heard so far how do you think the cdc group will vote and how soon could eligible people potentially start showing up at their local pharmacy for shot number three? >> i think there's a high likelihood, garrett, they will go along with fda's summary recommendations. you know, i know there is a lot of confusion about this and part of it, i think, is that there's not consensus in the scientific community about what the goal of vaccination is. i think there's one group that feels strongly that the goal of vaccination is exclusively to prevent severe illness, hospitalizations and deaths and they make a strong case for that, but then there's another strong case that the hope is that by vaccinating you can restore the ability with the third immunization you can restore the ability of the vaccine to actually stop infection and, therefore, interrupt transmission if enough americans can get vaccinated and there's a number of us who feel that's i

peter hotez is with the baylor college of cine.>> it'really impor n go rogue and to do this with the the recommendations of both the food and drug administration and the centers for disease control. but i think it's very important to get that third immunization after a six- to eight-month period, because we are seeing a lot of breakthrough infections, breakthrough hospitalizations. >> reporter: the texas state fair starts tomorrow, an event that attracted more than two million visitors pre-covid. well, this year, by the midway, you can get a corn dog and a pfizer booster shot. a decision on the j&j and moderna booster shots is expected soon. margaret. >> brennan: thank you, omar. breaking tonight, a federal arrest warrant has been issued for brian laundrie in the murder of gabby petito, the 22-year-old whose body was found last weekend. brian laundrie hasn't been seen in more than a week. cbs's jericka duncan is covering the search in florida. good evening, jericka. >> reporter: good evening, margaret. iaonge considered a person of but as you mentioned, now considered a suspect, whil

search for peter hotez or the title of his book "preventing the next pandemic" using the search box at the top of the page. >>> in war-torn impoverished countries throughout the global south, where education experts feared the trend, there are actually thriving private schools, the government ngo's and even national charity officials denied exist. why did they deny it because the very existence of low cost high quality private schools shatters the prevailingness without government the poor can't get good education for their children but they can and they do. this is what we'll explore today on this edition of "independent conversations". greetings, everybody. i'm graham walker coming to you from the independent institute at oakland, california. we are of course right across the bay from san francisco, and we try and give you a bit of an independent outlook on the issues of our day. today it is my privilege to have with us professor james tooley who is the vice chancellor of the university of buckingham in the u.k. welcome, professor. >> thank you. good to be here. >> it is a pleasure t

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peter hotez, from texas children's hospital and the dean of the national school of tropical medicineine disinformation and i know you have literally written a book about it. i don't want to ask you your surprise but are you discouraged by how much heat and energy is behind the right-wing disinformation campaign being waged all day every day? >> nicolle, by next week we'll reach 675,000 americans who have lost a life from covid-19. that number is significant because that's the cdc's estimate of the number of people who died in the 1918-1921 flu pandemic so we're about to exceed that and we'll reach around 800,000 deaths by the end of the year. so many of those deaths were not only from the sars 2 coronavirus, it was the defiance, defiance against vaccines, especially in the last few months. this is death by anti-science. and a lot of this has been coming out of the nighttime fox news anchors, this disinformation. you know, i'm often asked about tucker carlson or the others, laura ingraham, i don't know. what i say is, look, i don't think this has anything to do with the individual fox

hotez and dr. jha are with the biden administration, not with these scientists. where are you?m honestly on the side of these scientists that wrote in the lancet. listen, are we going to need boosters or a third dose for those of us that got pfizer or moderna at some point? yes, almost certainly. that's the way the vaccines work. are there certain populations that might need boosters now? yes! we've already approved a third dose for people who are immunosuppressed and it does support that folks that are elderly may need a third shot sooner, but for the rest of us, we don't need to rush out and get a booster. the full course of the two moderna or pfizer shots or even that single j&j still protects us so well against severe disease, hospitalization and death, which has been the goal all along. we can use those doses more effectively to get the folks who haven't gotten shots yet protected. because you want to know what protects us all? it's getting us all vaccinated, not a booster shot. >> a new poll shows growing support for vaccine mandates. 55% say vaccines should be required t

peter hotez, professor and dean of the college of medicine joins us now. from the 1918 flu. how much higher could the death toll go? >> remember, ana, 100,000 of deaths have come after april and may and after safe and effective vaccines are available so most of those 100,000 deaths are among the vaccinated. they are needless democrats all of them could have been prevented and now the institute for health, metrix and evaluation is saying we'll have another 100,000 additional deaths also entirely unnecessary before the end of the year so 200,000 deaths by anti-science as i call it. >> wow. and -- and new warnings now that this year's flu season which is quickly upon us could be worse as covid patients, you know, are already filling hospitals, reporters on health care shortages so that makes vaccines even more important. is it safe to get a flu vaccine and a covid shot at the same time? >> yeah, it looks that way and what we're seeing is pharmacists are giving one shot in either arm so your left arm covid and right arm flu and that seems to be okay, and by th

peter hotez, director of vaccine development, thank you for being here. a health official, doctor, told nbc news that the booster shot "the data was inadequate and needs strengthening. what does that mean and when do you think booster shots will actually be widely available? >> so chris ultimately i think we're going to have boosters for all three vaccines that are now in use in the united states. pfizer, moderna, and likely even the j&j. when those vaccines were first released to the american people in december of last year and then into january, it was done with a three to four interval. and that was done because we were in crisis. we were losing nursing home residents, health care providers needed protection. we needed to quickly vaccinate those groups and that was a very important endeavor that saved a lot of lives and i totally support doing that approach. the problem with it is when you give two immunizations with only three or four weeks apart, that's not great for producing long lasting and durable protection. and that's why for so many pediatric

peter hotez on earlier, and he says he believes the compromise should have been 40. i don't know if you heard that, but it should have been at least 40 because of, he said, long-haul covid, right, and the symptoms or the things that happen in the long run, like mental decline and so forth. do you agree with that? >> well, i think we need more data. another shortcoming of the last year is that despite massive amount of infection in the united states, right now averaging about 150,000 cases a day, we just don't have the data to confidently say in which groups the vaccine is starting to wane. you know, we don't have the data, vaccine-specific data. we don't have necessarily a lot of the specific age data, and for that reason, the fda panel today relied on a group of israeli experts because they do have the data. so i'm hoping that over the next few months, the cdc will get their act together and really accrue a solid dataset that can inform the fda committee on exactly where we need to start boosting and which other groups should start to get boosted and when. >> i'm ju

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peter hotez, the professor and dean at baylor college of medicine. what do you make of this argument coming from two top fda scientists on the their way out the door, that boosters may not be needed for the general population especially as the fda is going to take a look at this and give a recommendation one way or another, we expect. >> and i know those two fda scientists personally, they were outstanding scientists and o outstanding civil servants in the usa. they may have access to data in the united states that's not publicly available. from the data from israel, i come out strongly in favor of the boosters, based on the way the boosters will keep people out of the hospital, prevent long covid. if you get covid, you have a good chance of getting long covid, and gray matter brain degeneration, and a third booster could restore interrupting asymptomatic transitions so in theory if every american can get vaccinated with three doses, it could halt tin the epidemic in the united states. so much of this is based on data from company press releases, pow

hotez a chance to answer bradley beal's question directly. we'll see if we can get it to him.ant to press you on something kevin said on this program yesterday, jemele. he viewed this as a social justice issue, that what these athletes owe their communities is to take the vaccine, to trust the science and to protect the people who follow them and admire them. do you see it that way? >> i think kevin is right, because when you look at the disproportionate effect that the virus has had on the african-american community, you know, this has been something that has especially devastated us. these athletes have been extremely strong and vocal about other issues that impact the black community from police brutality, inequality, racism, generational wealth gap, and i would put this healthcare crisis, this public healthcare crisis right in there in the mix and i know that it's an awkward situation because people don't want to tell people what to do with their bodies unless, of course, you're a woman in texas. >> correct. >> but at the same time, i think that there is an opportunity --

peter hotez in our next hour. >>> and as the u.s. is crossing 42 million reported cases tennessee is leading the nation in new infections per capita with an average of over more than 8,300 cases reported every single day. the state is lagging in vaccination rates making things even worse hospital resources are dwindling. let's go to knoxville where we find nbc's liz mclaughlin. liz, talk to me about the situation there when you think about some of these astounding numbers, how hospitals really they're buckling under the pressure of these high covid numbers. >> reporter: absolutely. it's nothing short of a dire situation. and here in eastern tennessee they're being hit especially hard. we're looking at icu beds as one of the biggest challenges here in this region of eastern tennessee. they have these community calls three times a week where they kind of talk about the capacity. and sometimes there are zero icu beds for adults available, zero. other times statewide there's between 2 and 6% available. so really dwindling, and resources

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