hsu: the third wave, basically, the i.c....c. industry, and they look for some talented people, engineers, not just for cheap labor. and basically inhina, the chang jiang delta is one of the most developed areas in china, particularly in industry structure and also if you look at education level. okay, so, this area is. is good for marketing and also recruiting engineers. narrator: but the move to shanghai is not just about selling computers. it's about an opportunity presented by something geographer hsu calls the "interface region." "interface region" means... okay, means we have... silicon valley is a socioeconomic space, and china is another one. okay, and taiwan just overlapped these two regions. narrator: in this triangular space connecting silicon valley, taiwan and china lies the prospect of a mutually beneficial exchange of ideas and know-how. and taiwanese firms are uniquely qualified to facilitate that exchange. hsu: we have a long experience of business transaction with silicon valley, and we know the lure of the ma