former prosecutor joan one big and guardian reporter hugo lowell joined me when we are back in just oneinute. he 1950. see what you can uncover at ancestry. >>> joining me now is former watergate prosecutor, jill wine being, and the guardian reporter, hugo lowell, who has been all over the story from the start and i'm grateful to have such good friends with me tonight, couldn't have thought of other people to be able to kind of break this down jill, i want to start with you. in a side maybe how some of us personally feel about whether or not he should be indicted, do you think based upon what you have heard so far through the course of these, caring, that there will be an indictment of donald trump for at least obstruction? >> i will try to put aside what i think should be the case, and just talk about what i think are the best crimes to indict him for and whether he should or shouldn't, i will leave to other people. but i think it would be horrible not to act on what is now blatantly obvious to anyone who is watching the hearing, my favorite crime would be 2383, not the seditious consp

i want to thank hugo lowell. we had him back just for a minute to say good-bye to hugo lowell.both. coming up next, president biden unveils new initiatives salvaging his climate agenda and stopped short of declaring a climate emergency, at least for now. we'll explain all of that when we come back. at least for now. we'll explai wealth is shutting down the office for mike's retirement party. worth is giving the employee who spent half his life with you, the party of a lifetime. we come back worth is watching your employees grow with it. ♪ ♪ >> there has to be decisive climate action. that means trust, multi-lateral research and collaboration. we have a choice, collective action or collective suicide. >> that was the dire warning from u.n. secretary-general antonio gutierrez to countries around the globe as the world is plunged into the realities of the upgoing climate emergency. yesterday britain recorded its highest temperature ever, 104.5 degrees fahrenheit. it's part of a mavis heat wave blanketing most of europe, leaving death and destruction in its wake. hot, dry weather h

hugo lowell is a congressional portrait at the guardian who has been following this closely. his latest piece argues that the committee has essentially set the stage for a criminal case against donald trump, arguing that the evidence laid by the committee shows that trump violated federal law that prohibits the obstruction an official proceeding, through both action and inaction. now is the amateur hugo lowell, congressional reporter for the guardian. and friend of the program. hugo, thank you for joining. us your latest pieces that the january six committee has got the evidence, and laid out. federal prosecutors can use it as a framework for potential prosecution. i make the case for me. what do you think pushes it over the line from politically and morally damning evidence, to evidence of criminal activity that the deal and you can say yes, we left. >> it has always been clear that the most damning evidence of january six with respect to trump has been the obstruction of official proceedings. and that is through action and inaction. we know the action part. he's been sendin

we will talk more about that with hugo lowell, congressional reporter for the guardian. and what we might learn at more hearings in september. but now to the brutal and dangerous heat scorching much of this country. with 80 million american under warnings and advisories, some new record high temperatures are expected in several cities today. for many areas, it's only gonna get worse. we will bring in nbc meteorologist michelle grossman to ask, is there any relief in sight? >> i wish i could say there was. we have been tracking a heat wave for the past month and two weeks. it goes on. it's intense. it's dangerous. and it's potentially deadly. we will continue to track. at the central and southern plains, the heat waves will go on. let's take a look at the alerts in place, they are far ranging, from the southwest into the central and southern plains, parts of the northeast as well. 80 million americans are impacted by heat advisories, that is the dark pink, than the lighter pink is excessive-y warnings. -- still hot for so many. the cold front that sinking down from canada

well as the january six hearing coming up on tuesday's congressional reporter for the guardian, hugo lowell. hugo, good morning. thank you for being here. the january six committee, we know also has access to outtakes from the documentary. now your reporting that they could soon have new named witness. well can you tell us about this breaking news? >> yeah, so breaking it overnight, steve bannon and trump's former strategists has opened discussions with the second committee about testifying and that investigation. this comes after a former president sent a letter to steve bannon and his lawyer saying that he would waive executive privilege for bannon if he could reach it accommodations with the select committee about testifying. in response to that, robert costello, who is now no longer on the team, but was around apparently to send this letter to this committee said, well, let's now open to discussion about the time and place for bannon to come in and appear before the committee. this is something i believe is really significant. at the selectivity's been trying to get ben's testimony from

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and still with me on set is congressional reporter from the guardian hugo lowell.e video was so striking with the raised fist and fundraising purposes since january 6th and we see him running away from the very people he claimed to rile up. >> and it is so damning when you juxtapose those images together, and we know based on the people in the crowd on the east front of the capitol were thinking and saying when they saw josh hawley, yes, josh is on our side and they took it to mean that josh hawley was giving them legitimacy and then you see him running for his life, and you see him fleeing from the capitol, in a way that is almost comical. when mitt romney first fled from a mob, he was really running as if he was -- >> right. >> and meanwhile, josh hawley is running. >> certainly already becoming a bit of a meme last night online. give us an update on what has emerged a major story line this week which are the missing secret service texts, those deleted from january 5th and 6th, despite clear warnings they should have been preserved. >> well, the january 6th commi

let's bring in hugo lowell, congressional reporter for the guardian.rt this discussion with mulvaney and mnuchin, what can you tell us about the conversations with the committee this week? >> there are a host of trump cabinet officials who have been called in to speak to the committee. we understand it is some sort of recorded, transcribed interview. a lot of that focus on what happens after january 6th and have the trump cabinet responded to trump's real dereliction of duty with respect to the capitol attacks. they're asking stuff about the 25th amendment, and how [inaudible] it kind of shows the committees broad look at everything committed on january 6th, including the trump white house response, irrespective of what trump was doing. >> so a panel reportedly has their sights set of former secretary of state mike pompeo. let's take a listen to police on wednesday. >> we've had discussions with them about potentially appearing before them. make sure that we want to understand what it is they're asking for. i am happy to cooperate with things that are

, philip, national correspondent for the washington post, and back with me, barbara mcquade and hugo lowellmer president trump? >> yes and no. i think they have put forward a probable cause that crimes were committed. but the problem is the justice department needs to look deeper because they have to put the case of do that -- guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, and have to prove it unanimously to tell people. that means they have to go in and anticipate every possible defense. all we really saw was one side of the story without any cross-examination. in effect, they have to disprove the negative. is there anything there that will cause a surprise? what they don't want is the perry mason moment where their doors boat burst open at the back of the courtroom and enters is jerry kushner who -- you just can't have that. so, it just requires time. but i think if the justice department does not find any bad surprises, that i think charges, criminal charges, are likely. >> philip, is the court of law, also the court of theater, as sort of detailed to us by barbara mcquade, and then there is the court

"the guardian's" hugo lowell, thank you. safe bet we'll talk later this week.signing of gun legislation as democrats call for more action. >>> coming up on "morning joe," what to expect as the january 6th committee returns for a pair of hearings this week. including an unlikely source of possible cooperation in its investigation. >>> plus, the filmmaker deposed by the panel joins us with a look at his new documentary featuring inside access to donald trump in the days surrounding the insurrection. "morning joe" a few minutes away. "morning wealth is shutting down the office for mike's retirement party. worth is giving the employee who spent half his life with you, the party of a lifetime. ♪ ♪ wealth is watching your business grow. worth is watching your employees grow with it. ♪ ♪ super emma just about sleeps in her cape. awayt-cleans our old free detergent. tide hygenic clean free. hypoallergenic and safe for sensitive skin. time. it's life's most precious commodity, especially when you have metastatic breast cancer. when your time is threatened, it's hard to

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and hugo lowell, congressional reporter for the guardian who's been at the forefront of the reportinge. great to have the both of you with us. a few of the committee members appear don sunday shows today and they said they intend to show minute by minute what donald trump was doing, or more to the point not doing, from the moment he left the rally stage, returned to the white house, was in the dining room watching the insurrection for hours on tv, and refusing to do what many of his aides and allies were telling him to do, which was to call it off. fill in the gaps, what more do we expect thursday and is there a goal to show criminal action, criminal intent? hugo: i think yo've got it right, they are focused on the inaction part, both in terms of the dereliction of duty, as you would expect a president to do, but also dereliction of duty from a criminastatute sense, there is a statute that says from action or inaction did you obstruct an official proceeding, and they want to show that trump through his inaction, by sitting in the white house dining room looking at the vlence unfolding

joining us from the guardian hugo lowell. committee was in session. pick up where we left off and how does this hearing today agent the oath keepers, about the other groups that arranged to come to the capitol, brought there by president trump, how the committee sees this fitting into its larger story. >> so we left off with republicans seeking pardons, with john eastman seeking pardons and rudy giuliani seeking a pardon. now we're going to focus today at the hearing on this tweet that trump sent on december 19, committee members see this as a clarion call to the extremist groups that stormed the capitol and the far right groups that were organizing protesters surrounding january 6th. they're going to start first with the 18th of december meeting at the white house, according to my reporting. they're going to talk about how mike flynn, trump's former national security adviser, patrick burn, the former ceo of overstock, emily newman, this trump aide, and sidney powell all showed up at the oval office uninvited and unannounced

. >> joining me now to discuss congressional reporter for the guardian, we hugo lowell, and gabriel debenedettid on your reporting, why does bannon want to speak now and why would trump wait for the executive privilege that nobody actually believed covered bannon in this case? >> judging by what i have heard from bennett's advisors, this comes because of planets impending trial that is due to start july 18th on his condemns of congress case. this, i guess, is a move to show the committee that well, actually, there was executive privilege claim in the first place and it wasn't just making it up. although the validity of that is somewhat dubious. and when this goes to trial, if he has already agreed to testify, or has managed to secure some sort of appointment with the committee, it might suggest to jurors, or might make it palatable to the jurors to try to convict him because he has, of course, by then already testified. it's some strategic thinking on bandits part. >> i wonder also what it tells you, you go, as someone who has covered this so closely about the power of the committee to refer so

also joining us, hugo lowell, congressional report at "the guardian." also jason johnson is here.r new role. you had the byline, i think, on the first piece of reporting about trump sitting and watching tv, transfixed, i think, was your reporting, shortly after the insurrection. that feels as though it's a fact that has only been corroborated with every insider that has testified to this committee and will feature prominently thursday night. >> that's right. i mean, immediately after the insurrection, we knew, as reporters, that that was the story we wanted to try to get to the bottom of. what was then president trump, this sort of singular feature, doing or, in many ways, as the case turned out, not doing during that period between when the capitol was first breached and when he finally sent out a tweet calling off his supporters, and as we've seen, initially, with our reporting and then with some of these tell-all books and people who have become disillusioned and now of course with the committee, which has something that we wish we had, but we don't, which is subpoena power, we

. >> peter strzok and hugo lowell, thank you much for being here please stay safe.coming, up what is mayor garland's memo really mean when it comes to investigating donald trump? we will discuss when we are back. investigatin donald trump donald trump we will discuss when but seriously we need a reliable way to help keep everyone connected from wherever we go. well at at&t we'll help you find the right wireless plan for you. so, you can stay connected to all your drivers and stores on america's most reliable 5g network. that sounds just paw-fect. terrier-iffic i labra-dore you round of a-paws at&t 5g is fast, reliable and secure for your business. make your home totally you. back back times i'm a homebody. can never have too many pillows. sometimes i'm all business. wooo! i'm a momma 24/7. seriously with the marker? i'm a bit of a foodie. perfect. but not much of a chef. yes! ♪ wayfair you've got just what i need. ♪ moderate to severe eczema still disrupts my skin. despite treatment it disrupts my skin with itch. it disrupts my skin with rash. but now, i can disrupt

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also with us, hugo lowell, who has new investigation on the reporting.ll us about the possible obstruction and the threats, if you want to put it that way, to cassidy hutchinson and others? >> in the closing minutes of this hearing, the select committee put up two different slides on the big screen at the front of the hearing room. both described communications that had been issued by people in trump world that appear to be attempts to influence witness testimony. what i can confirm is that those slides were both based on testimony that hutchinson provided behind closed doors in her fourth and most recent deposition to the select committee. what i can also tell you is that the final slide the committee shows is a specific presentation of a conversation that hutchinson had with a person who was an intermediary for mark meadows. in the final conversation, as depicted on screen by the select committee, this unnamed intermediary said, meadows is thinking about you. he knows you're loyal. he knows you're going to do the right thing. clearly, hutchinson was tr

let's bring in congressional reporter for the "guardian," hugo lowell. what more can you tell us about the deleted text messages as we lead up to thursday? it sounds like they're pretty convinced they will get them on tuesday. the select committee, will they get all of them? who is -- what's the hangup here? >> yeah, i mean, i just want to start on the timeline since we're talking about this. >> mm-hmm. >> the secret service makes a big deal about how, you know, the inspector general only requests these communications mid to late february. i think he said february 26th or 24th, something along those lines. but the select committee has kind of realized in recent days that, actually, the first request for communications came from congress. it came january 16th, ten days after the attack. so i think committee members on friday were scratching their heads, thinking, is it really the case that the secret service managed to erase a bunch of messages from two of the most key dates, as jonathan says, in the space of ten days? it's just remarkable. i think kind o

here with me on set is congressional reporter, for the guardian, hugo lowell. let me start with you. ruth marcus writes today, that she now believes attorney general, merrick garland, should bring charges against donald trump, because quote, failing to bring them, would be more damaging to the nation, then turning a blind eye to this effort, to subvert democracy, and prevent the peaceful transfer of power. do you agree? >> i think that sentiment is growing, as committees are making a compelling case, jonathan thanks for having me this morning. ruth, also qualify that. you need evidence that needs to be admissible in court. what we are seeing in the january six committee, it's a road map. this is our -- like they would want to be in front of a grand jury. i think there is still work to do. i think the evidence, is growing more and more compelling. there is a lot of issues, i think the justice department has to take into account, that is the strength of the evidence, the fact that this will be the first time in history, the former president, would be indicted, an

and just to all of your points from "the guardian" from hugo lowell revealing that the secret service turned over just one text message to the january 6th panel. he also reports on the time line that we've been discussing, quote, house investigators also learned that the texts were seemingly lost as part of an agency-wide reset of the phones on january 27th, 2021. the sources said that's 11 days after, after, congress first requested the communications. and two days after agents were reminded to back up their phones. come on. let's bring in nbc news correspondent julia ansley. she covers the department of justice and the department of homeland security. julia, what more can you add to this? and also, what are the potential next steps here? are there going to be questions asked by the department of justice? >> well, the questions that you all are asking are exactly the questions i think dhs is asking internally today as well as the department of justice. what we understand, or what i understand from my reporting, is that the question here is what was actively deleted and what disappear