so we put these concerns to the hydrogen council and industry group that counts fossil fuel giant like b, p shell and saudi ramco among its members. unfortunately, they didn't respond. thank you. hi, jan is a mistake that will cost us a lot in the future. chris jackson is the founder of podium, a u. k. company that focuses on green hydrogen. but i don't believe that away resolved. that is by arguing about it, i think it's about building better projects and better technologies. and that's what we want to do with green hunched to make green hydrogen. you simply use renewable energy from sources like wind or solar to power electrolysis. this produces no emission, so you end up with truly clean hydrogen. today only a tiny fraction of hydrogen is green, and it's actually still pretty expensive compared to the other forms. but that is set to change for 2 reasons. one, electrolyzer is are getting cheaper because we're moving to larger projects with more upscale manufacturing. ah, so that's, that's the biggest thing and to prices for renewables have been falling and continue to do so. bloomber