i, c, c. i know by p s i c. c has said that there are some certain. busy there are some restaurants if you like, that, coming from some of the kansas device you see, and that's why the eyes easy today. it should, this is paper which is still clear that they are under such tremendous pressure coming from so many different countries. well, it's just a minute, it's in the same side it's, it's just in the same style because of the international criminal court and the international court of justice. somebody that being threatened, that being intimidated, i'd say maybe some of them have been potentially bribe, but it shows you the play is dealing with sod. these are players involved in what so many international organizations have described as a genocide. and yet the, the culprits carrying out the genocide simply don't give a day a yes, exactly, and neither is i just go to comply in order to do like the states. i'm about to even one of the congressmen just the i c c work. clearly i need one gives you the sanctions. i have your issue exactly his words. so i

i c, c. i know if i see the i c, c has been that there are some 30 or there are some brush of if you like it coming from some of the dentist. you guys, you see, and that's why the eyes easy today. it should, this is paper which is still clear that they are under such this pressure. so i think that you make a decision on the one hand is on the other hand, those supporters of these right. of really, really not only here, but it's in no, i understand that it's, it's really shame you know, and you are talking about an international court which is sick by the right emissions. every one of you to that are these where you should understand that they focus all the time. oh, they don't. they into a sense i'm investigating to the news website has released a shocking expos, a, it links and us pay crisis, google and amazon. it is really crimes claiming that the corporation supplied the idea of food, the ability to buy and target publish. since the human rights organization has 50 responded to the situation. what we see is profit greedy corporations looking to turn a bug by any means necessary, including

and we also know that the i c. c has already faced criticism for not as showing some of the warrants against me get us like soon president bush auto outside or on supreme to become an a. do you think that undermines the i says credibility. know the tools again the states would be looking at here the in the situation relating to the keys well has to do with the palestine. being the neighboring state of palestine being tested, positive, the rooms time to attend the rooms tied to it gives the eyes easy and jurisdiction, all the crimes committed on the territory. all of our states pa, to you don't have the same with the city where you don't have the same with your right. of course, if you have the same with syria or you ran, you will be seeing the same configuration of a close as comparison new you might look at maybe me amount for instance me, i'm a, not just a party to the rooms, cute but bangladesh is his date party to the rooms trying to but when go hang as well when driven out of me, i'm a thing to the bang. glad tears

i c. c perhaps issue. we got a rest warren's, but the top is riley officials and a on tuesday the us state department basically said the i c. c. has no jurisdiction to the issue arrest warrants, but any top is ready. officials are the same time though it praise the eyes easy is what on the ukraine conflict done just for a moment. i will listen to this. we do not believe that the itc has jurisdiction over this issue. and that's what the crux here. beyond that, i bought the prime minister and officials within these really government clarify or offer any commentary on his comments. but the crux of this for the united states is that we do not believe that the icpc has jurisdiction on this. that being said, we work closely with the i c and a number of key areas that we think that they do important work. important work as it relates to ukraine, therefore, sudan. but again, on this particular incidents instance in this particular instance, i'm sorry, they just do not have jurisdiction. so now now saying that we actually see it doesn't have jurisdiction and, and basically trying to pull cold water perhaps on the ice e c. so we bought this

i c c. but how come the i c c has jurisdiction over. i can see because the only c c said the palestine in 2015. right? to follow the i. c. c. start to use my blog, which means callisto has recognized as a country. there is indeed a good points in the palestine is recognized. no, telling me by you necessarily good also now by the i c. c, this is where it is showing the piece row is part of the land power steering these railways considered not to be its own country. yeah, we had a chance to speak with pickering honda do wanna discussing a number of issues including indonesia is role in supporting palestine or the idea of actions and notify as well as the decision by the international criminal court. and i know that this is not going to be effective. and the reason is because even though there are more than it has to be an issue. but the question is, how are you, how are b i c. c. prosecute. there were spring of those 4 mission at the was a one of those florida mothers and to be in a position because they have to be the hey, the good thing

and we also know that the i c. c has already faced criticism for not as showing some of the wardens against me. it is like soon president bush auto outside or on supreme to any company. do you think that undermines the, i assess his credibility, the motor tool, the again, the states would be looking at here the, in the situation relating to the keys well, has to do with the palestine being the neighboring state and palestine being tested, positive the rooms time to attend the rooms tied to it gives the eyes easy and jurisdiction. all the crimes committed on the territory qualifies deep pa to you don't have the same with the serial. you don't have the same with your right. of course, if you have the same with syria or you ran, you will be seeing the same configuration of a close as competitors. and you might look at maybe me amount for instance, me a month. not just a party to the rooms, cute, but i'm glad as is the party to the room start to. but when go hang as well, when driven out of me, i'm a thing to the bangladesh

we do not believe that the i c c has jurisdiction over this issue. and that's what the crux here beyond that i bought the prime minister and officials within these really government clarify or offer any commentary on his comments. but the crux of this for the united states is that we do not believe that the i c. c has jurisdiction on this. when we discussed the issue with political analysts, the sod name of from the west bank, he says that shameful methods are being used by israel and its allies to achieve their goals, haven't listened for yourself. it is the 1st to actually gain from the order in minnesota and is, was for catch most upholstery and i was talking at the way i tried to convince guy cc like to do so instead he, i hope that he's in so he'd be so we started to take on. so it started by 13 and we have the, according to this that over time it was a sickening at the i c. c. s. since last week, the whole, i'm just government. there started a huge campaign of golding each and every one around the work, the events and bright ministers around th

i c. c, chief prosecutor, carry him. con. has announced he is seeking a rest warrant for his regular i'm time us leaders for crimes committed since october the 7th. last year a salma pinch of age has more a. c starving children is a crime. the killing civilians is a little crime and built for the causing suffering is also a criminal act. those are the top 3 reasons. the prosecutor of the international criminal court has cited for requesting at restaurants for these really prime minister benjamin netanyahu and defense minister golf kalonde. i have reasonable grounds to believe on the basis of evidence collected and examined by my office that he's really prime minister benjamin netanyahu administer of defense. you, i've got and a back criminal responsibility for the following international crimes committed on the territory of the state of palestine. several is really ministers of denounced the allegations of war crimes and crimes against humanity. the foreign minister is read cods that says it's a historic disgrace and that especia

and so i have no doubt i, i don't know how much the, the, this court has been influenced by the i c. c. but i, i do feel like the i c, c has been, the prosecutor has been influenced. i mean, we have, you know, the, the, the, the question of palestine has been on the desk of 3 successive icbc, prosecutors for 15 years. and no one wanted to really bite the bullet and do something even this prosecutor who came in there was a lot of speculation. i was with him at the i c c assembly. and in december, i've seen his body, his, his, his rhetoric and all that, many people felt he would not do anything. but this was a red line in the eyes big, but the political constellation at the i, c, c and the i, c, j is different. and it, we always assume that that there was a red line that the prosecutor of the i, c, c would not cross and that was inciting, and it was rarely official. and i think it's the, the, the, the continued honest lot by israel, the international consensus around the criminality of israel's activities. but also this case before the other court before the i c j in which the i c, j has

that the whites have supported a warrant gains, black me approved didn't just last is saying the i c c has the right to condemn the russian president for the ukraine conflict. will jerusalem development fun? chapman saw me as in july, we says that washington decides its issues of legitimacy through a lens that reflects its national interests. let's see how does one different mission and washington, dc. it's national on interest of the whole world. the more i think of the world is better than can measure on the national interest of the americans. they have motion, i think that is in something it becomes a shipment. if it the on from the national interest, it becomes the project. this is the way and a minus things come they have been doing this and they know that 3 or whatever and whatever they do, the whole world has nothing to respond. yeah, i get that on 400000 a rocket and they have committed much deeper for them and noticed where a lot of times in the past and nobody has ever decided to dig to digging processing the i c. c. and in i see you saw a form for them. you cannot convince the c

that was what i mean the, the i c c is really interesting. cool. that has a strong support base from a lot of african countries. and i think of one of the pressing points that some to be made in the interview with christina lamb was a sort of hinted at this idea of international, you know, being compromised by these bullying from america and from other countries. that person and how the, you know, the, these institutions like the ice of january. so you could just crumble, you know, if, if people in the, in africa wake up and start realizing that americans just using his coolest result in a gemini, is in the incentive credit. but it seems that comes across, you know, just, just, just, just crushing for. right. so i think he's use is wanting us or against that. it's usually significant because isn't completely and unprecedented. and i think the reason why it's unprecedented is because i'm enough members, enough heavy weight members from your opinion and countries are leaving on the icpc . i'm saying, look up until now. you might not have their much of a credi

i c. c. i'm certainly, if the quote can prove that benjamin got them. yeah. who has committed war crimes when he should be prosecuted and punished for those? i do worry about the implied equivalence between uh come us towers to organization which style to the county will with its mode out of school. so if it's a billions and the state of israel more broadly, and i do wonder about the extent to which was proportionate with precedent in the i . c. c. for example of, to my best understanding the i see did not try to prosecute a shot a side. but he to of silvia who is responsible for terrible crimes during the civil war there. uh, but certainly if the quote can prove that is the ship was somehow completed and will crimes, then it would be appropriate for them to be prosecuted for us. yeah, sure. just one more question about that, about this, is this the appearance of a false equivalency do you get the sense that on your side of the atlantic, that when you look at the situation in gaza, that americans may more quickly come to the conclusion that this is false equivalency

i get that on 400000 iraqis and they have committed much deeper to them. and others where a lot of times in the past and nobody has ever decided to do digging processing the i c, c. and in i see you saw a form for them. you cannot call the prince the cumulative of yesterday that the, the few spend a minute or 2 days in the us. how speak is also said that they arrest warrants. if the ratio rate against israel could directly undermine us. national security, of course, leaving the door opening to issuing warrants the through us politicians potentially for the crimes you were just talking about. i mean, considering the russia is also know to member of b, i c. c. where would these concerns last year when the i c, c was issuing its warrant for flock me a proof to show him the last items to national president is in line with their i'm going to get into this even if they are accurate or whatever doesn't matter for them, there is no model on the getting references as one of the emotional interest. they bring all of their kind of give them the moms to the. and he's trying to get us to have as much as they on this monday by the deadline, goes to the high c c on the cda, th

but the crux of this for the united states is that we do not believe that the i c c has jurisdiction on this. well, i was discussing this all day with political. i've list a saw name, but he joined me from the west buying. he says the shameful methods of being used by israel and its allies to reach that goal is have a listen for yourself. the 1st the action came from the order in minnesota, and it was for jack's whole simple story and i was talking, i didn't know much of the way i tried to convince guy cc lucky to show what the stands, the hope that he's in. so he'd be, so the 1st the big or so it started by sickening and we have the, according to this, that was sickening. and the i, c. c. and since last week and the whole, i'm just government there, started huge campaigns of golden each and every one around the work of the. but it depends on the bright ministers around the world. and especially in europe and trying to, you know, to help them in personalizing the ice the siege. apparently the ice is you have said that there are some 30, or there are some brush of if you like it, comin

and electra at the university of south africa's legal department explains that the i c. c has ignores the crimes in palestine for 75 years. the kids are traveling over the criminal court. and these sent to the printer that is consistent with a commission to come to the right to the west spencer . and i think you can see that the principle that i put on the i c c, which i think is quite a recent phenomenon. but also that i put hope and try to introduce the both just to justice, which consistency supposed to be sort of western imperialism. but to get to know more about the one with the opposed to the interest. like all the jews that are supported by the inside of the nation, documented most of the sensitive institutions will call victor to go on to continue with the community in vibration. been flooded and versions of a couple of the above the people that they called eyes and the they just kinda talking let's be careful 75 years. so that does happen. when most is the of the, the tomato waiting for the facebook is that to be his best to? now it's the northern west bank where the

i'm presuming some, we do not believe that the i c. c has jurisdiction over this issue. and that's what the crux here. beyond that, i bought the prime minister and officials within these really government clarify or offer any commentary on his comments. but the crux of this for the united states is that we do not believe that the icbc has jurisdiction on this political honest from the westbank. so odd numerous says israel, i mean i lars, are using shameful methods to pressure the international court. a diverse the action came from the order in minnesota and it was for catch most upholstery and i was talking. i didn't like the way i tried to convince darcy see if i could do so, but instead he started using so you'd be so the 1st to take or so it started by sickening. and we have the, according to this, that was sickening at the i. c c s since last week and the whole, i'm just government there started a huge campaign of golding each and every one around the work of the events and bright ministers around the world. and especially in europe and trying to you know, to help th

minded that the whites have supported a warrant, gave slack me, approved and just lost it saying the i c. c has the right to condemn the russian president for the ukraine conflict of jerusalem development fun. chapman saw me as in july, we says that washington decides its issues of legitimacy through a lens that reflects its national interests. let's see how does this one definition in washington, dc, it's national monitors. the whole word, mortality of the world is buried, being measured on the national interest of the americans. they have nation, i think that is in something it becomes a minute. if a, the on, from the national interest, it becomes the project. this is the way they manage things come, they have been doing this and they know that 3 or whatever and whatever they do, the whole world has nothing to respond. they. i get that. i'm 400000 a rocket and they have committed much deeper to them. and other one who are a lot of times in the past and nobody has ever decided to dig through digging processing as you see and, and as you saw a form for them, you cannot convince the human and of

house supported a similar ethics against un as not to be posted in last year, stating that the i c. c has the rights to condemn, posted and over the ukraine, conflicts. that's the across live to mostly rounds, palma, kinetic member in the reds policy. now, many thanks for joining us. it's good to see you. so i'm just picking up on one point i just made last year the white house said that the ice easy had been dismissed the to condemn the russian presidents over the ukraine. cons today's, but now washington times the i c. c doesn't have a jurisdiction to investigate as well as conduct in gaza. why do you think we're seeing this different treatments of the i c. c. 's will foresee from the us uh no to both of the reasons, but they think a test is on these the fact that the a while in the conflict to and easily cause all eh, it was a kind of launch of this conflict to do a conflict on the bill says advice, a mazda is what it was, a fox, in the case, a law shaw eh, talk to the end result. so it was ultimately some, and you know, even if they had the is, and supposedly they, uh, they had a to,

but told ok ceo's as we have publicly says many times the i c c has no jurisdiction in this situation. and we do not support its investigation to southern diplomats have apparently urged the specials at the i. c . c to delay and now some war crimes charges as they could disrupt the chances of a breakthrough in seeds fired salt. well in the meantime, palestinian children continue to live in the fear, abuse, or detention. and that's in the best case scenario. the drug one has taken a slight russia, china, india, and jump, and the economy is a contracting and for the us present. the reason is clear as i was one of the reasons why our economy is growing is because of you and many others. why? because we welcome immigrants. why is china slowly so badly, economically? why is japan having trouble? why is russia? why is india? because there's the public. they don't want immigrants, immigrants, how, what makes us strong? why and is a perfect example of us the lead starting to believe their own propaganda. when you said, try to install and so badly economically work, coffee about china that jus

it puts in last year, stating that the i c. c has the rights to condemn poaching over the ukraine. conflicts were supposed to talk to, most of the elf, its various folks posted in for nato, will victims in libya who stays washington's attempts to protect as well, deeply, hypocritical, and if you look seriously at the stadium is concerning the jurisdiction of the i, c, c, you come over from the united states that department or do i toss or anybody any other, appreciate it. there is no, there is no valid argument. if you like, there is no credit. why will understand the evidence supported the argument simply just because the, in this case it's about this or is it so what would be as a res, which is a protected by the united states, see the, the one or the international court. the, i mean the i, c, i and then us record of justice or the i c, c, a, and this case it's from the law and her book or see if you like it's, it's, we have seen it before. we are seeing this now and we'll see it again or from us. we see the united states, you know

c i a l. mister larry johnson says, nate, so offices what codes of aging and the, and c rush, i'm from, she will. and you'll claim for the past decade, the nato has been enabling this war for more than a decade. annual military operations, which you crate or clearly designed to prepare ukraine for a war with russia in which ukraine would be the proxy. and that the need to do is you create as a battering ram to defeat russia. that was a goal. so i think they're just acknowledging reality. the nato forces, the west. they are blinded now by rage and hatred. they're not thinking this through logically and, you know, we, we've got further example of that today. we're now david cameron, outright calls for ukraine to use british weapons to attack inside russian territory. well, things you know, in the past 2 is at least some effort to maintain a pretence that ukraine was using. weapons may be of unknown origin, but you can, this is facilitating murder. the west is doing that, and i think they've been mistaken rushes patients on this with weakness. the american troops have group pulling me being ordered to be called by ready. russian forces arrived at the base in the west african nation of new jack ross, him as the bus, the into the, the base where the imagined suits were stationed as the household of the us to remove its full since from the country. the russian zip code e z, a separate hang out at the facility is yeah, i was told that the usaa was due over 1000. includes those 2 kind of things with key potters in fighting terrorism in the region. but these yet was dissatisfied with the american efforts and ended that go into the field. freeman us has and maintained amid surprises in and these have for 11 years the corporations, sheila had included the establishment of an american base. yeah. so it was kind of thing the agreement because it was not in the interest of the local people, the us on it and the jet albany to have entered negotiations from withdrawing that since last month. i see they americans know, like i have said there was who show and critical issues with supplying food and other resources to the base mile food equipment, pots, medical supplies, etc, of being prevented from reaching advice. one o, one in may, critical medications will run out for individual service members. they have repeatedly reached out for assistance. but their strategic high headquarters, such as africa come on, routinely overlooks that concerns. and those of add bass, one 0, one's high, a chain of command will simply do not provide relief or guidance for resolution. us embassy in these areas, covering up the failure of the us diplomatic efforts in these. yeah. styles. the votes. this has gathered lots of lots to the bonds, the parts of the us soon. so the west african nation, people with the same way, the russian flags and the declaration of support for most of you spoke with other advisors in the jazz for miss. so he said that must be a support for african countries, is much more pragmatic than that of louis. this was the case. and molly, even if in molly it was under the label widely disseminated by the west of the faulkner militias. but still the presence of the russians, and molly accelerated the departure of all other foreign forces. i also imagine that it will be the same thing for the case of need year. even if officially, it has been announced to us that the american forces, the american in new jersey and authorities are responsibly preparing the withdrawal, which is gradually continuing. it is clear that somewhere the presence of the russians which is decried by the same westerners, including united states, would celebrate their departure from new jersey and territory. russia seems to be a little disappointed from a point of view, at the continental level, mainly in this a how russia has a favorable response since it does not have a colonial past, because it's support is much more pragmatic. we see it's somewhat effective with the military equipment granted to these 3 countries. we recently received the radar system. this is why russia has received more favorable feedback from the countries . the u. s. has reveal that it killed a ship. it is syria of the highly mistaken him for that. i'll kind the lead up as a conclusion from a internal investigation into an american good. as like, last year on mesa 2023, the united states conducted a unilateral counter terrorism, striking northwest syria targeting a senior al qaeda leader. the investigation determined us forces miss identified the intended. i'll kind of talk it under the civilian was struck and killed the could i made this so called us war on terror under the auspices of that mission which began off of the september 11th attacks in 2001 in june. so invaded multiple countries, syria, iraq and afghanistan. washington deployed forces in syria decade ago to suppose that the fight against service groups. the syrian government says they have rudy here to steal oil. you and has estimated that almost a 3000 civilians are being killed in syria by us coalition forces and after song and infamous us drugs like 2 years ago killed the 10 civilians depended on responded to public quiet by saying it would seek to reduce the size of casualties radio, so i'm political commentary this the bill says the us move lives too much on the technology. i think unfortunately, you have to depend on personal intelligence again and all the computers, all the drones, all the i in the sky can replace the importance of, of boots on the ground, people on the ground. so we're getting human intelligence. and the, i think reliance on technology and kind of letting a human intelligence slip to the back of those as not think goodness of us or for anybody that's trying to operate in these kinds of conditions. i think we saw some of the same things in the disastrous withdrawal from afghanistan when we see other drum strikes that were intended to, to tear leaders that ended up killing us civilians. you know, i think that outside would be able to polish washington for this, for this mistake. again, whether we're looking at is real endows, or whether we're looking at the responses that uh, a mazda makes, is a, you know, target of what they say or military targets. and israel, as we see in, in don bass when you finally and missiles, you know, fly into a vague reason. don't ask until the 28 people. we need to make sure the world knows when these mistakes happen and hold those accountable when they do happen. and not just treat them under the rug, and i hope that whether it's in this case or, or other cases that are happening around the world, that there will be more accountability and more reporting when these cases a car over the southern gaza. now 2 people have been killed in the latest is very s like on the residential building in the city of ruffled the policy to help us be said on friday that at least 26 people killed, 51 wounded in the past 24 hours. the total casualty total involves that as soon as the contract we got is move in the 2 full files and killed and over $77000.00 wounded a sealant. but is that all more than 10 styles of bodies in stock, all of the rubble throughout the region. the other he said it could take up to 3 years to retrieve all the bodies because of the lack of equipment and personnel, the u. n. has estimated that there's more rumble in gaza that any played was a high risk of its unexploded bombs throughout the territory. garza has more ruffles than you train on to put that in perspective. the training in front line is 600 miles long, and goals are, is 25 miles long. as $37000000.00 tons of rubble at the latest estimates in garza, this rubble is largely heavily contaminated with york, sorry, but it's clarence of this will be further. come to mates comes like kate's. it's by other hazards in the rubble that's estimated to be about a 100000 tons, about specialists, for instance, a line in the because of rubble passes. in rafa say the gauze us, it cannot be compassed to grade as this jazz as a whole from east to west and from north to south is equivalent to a single street in ukraine. they compare us to a big country while we live on a small piece of land that can't bear destruction. the rubble is and will be a big issue. around 80 percent of guys, those buildings have been completely destroyed. it cannot be compared with ukraine due to its size and support from other countries. when do you? cranium? people fled to other countries. everyone welcomed them in the hands of the day following the end of the war in gaza. will likely reveal numerous shocking details of the number of casualties will grow 10 fold. what happened to new crane cannot be compared to what happened in the gaza strip on the other. i've done it with us as the into. so coral quote couldn't sit, is an issue in a rush for this is where the official, the hey base do dish re says that have been at times to intimidate an otherwise in fluids itself. ma'am that's, that's independence and impartiality undermined. however, when individuals threatened to retaliate against the cold or gays cold, puss, no such threats even not acted upon. may also constitute an offense against the administration of justice. yeah, i see. so you said somebody considering a rough one as well as 5 minutes and nothing yahoo and all the top of the hills. meanwhile, these are the p. m. assign to prevent the move. i'm not as even off joe biden, for help i. it is illegal, holds the international criminal court in the heart of these cold has no authority over this stage of reason will the possibility that it will be show arrest warrants for war crimes against ideas, commanders, and state leaders. it is scandal on the historical scale limits out. i'm presuming some, we do not believe that the i c. c has jurisdiction over this issue. and that's what the crux here. beyond that, i bought the prime minister and officials within these really government clarify or offer any commentary on his comments. but the crux of this for the united states is that we do not believe that the icpc has jurisdiction on this incident. who alice from the west bank saw them uh says, is that lives using shameful masses to pressure the international court. the verse actually came from the order in minnesota and is, was for catch who's supposed to, you know, talking. i didn't know much of the way i tried to convince di cc not to do so. instead, the hope that using smart tv, so we started to take on. so it started by sickening. and we have the, according to this, that was sickening at the i. c c s since last week and the whole, i'm just government there started a huge campaign of golding each and every one around the world, the events and bright ministers around the world. and especially in europe and tryi

i c. c. let's be clear like united states has it is not nestle part of the i c, c is never really approved of, of, of the, the power of the i, c c. and i think that there is, there's, there's reason for that from, you know, from america's perspective as a nation. and certainly in the past, there been concerns about prosecution against people like president bush or maybe obama. but the point is that the united states has clearly been pro israel since the inception. i don't think that's a surprise. but look, i mean this administration, you could say that just as ministration. but even previous ones, there are a lot of double doable citizens. i think even blinking amongst them i, i believe is a dual citizen of israel as well as america. that gives you a hint where the legions lies with many is people in the administration. and obviously the amount of influence that we know, these are a lobby see america. so pro is real. i think the main surprises just seeing the disregard for the for, for human life and the cost and the toll that was worth taking in golf. there seems to be no, no concern for the

i. c. c has been considering issuing, and the russ water is 5 minutes and that's and yahoo! washington is threatened to funds and the i see, see if it goes through with that measure. we spoke with a lawyer how so i'm a ship it, he said that as well is outraged by the rise in global support for palestine or israel is recognizing that it is becoming more and more the pariah amongst the international community. what is real is done over the last 67 months is exposed. it's a rustic genocidal intent. they claim they want to be a democracy. if they know they can not only be a democracy when they have so many palestinians that live amongst them, that are given 2nd class rights rights as a 2nd class citizens there for you, this equals, their blood is cheap and the world is catching on. and that's why i think the global opinion is in support of the palestinian people is in support of palestinian statehood. and i think is religious outreach because it is losing the p r. war is moving the media or the question shouldn't be what's in israel's long term security . the question is, what is

and so the so called the i c. c has been considering issue in a rest, florida for israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu. we had from an international legal expert who said, it's a difficult task to bring those responsible for genocide to justice. i know that this is not going to be effective. and the reason is because even though there are more than it has to be an issue, but the question is, how are you, how are b i c. c prosecute. there was spring of those 4 mission at the was a, one of the board members. and it'd be in a position because they have to be the hey, the good thing um, you know, uh from the point of both point of view of the movies. yeah. you said uh because uh, we are friday uh for the probably stephen to have its, uh, on the homeland uh its uh, independence page. so she can welcome the beach. i see see, can see that was fine as stay with me, but come to all the i bet you abortion all wise. i don't think it is proportional because it's just right. oh, i want to exercise. it's a right to self defense

has been saying. and it's more difficult than the i c. c. i think for the, for the, for the us, because the us isn't to submit treat to the rome statute to the international criminal court. the us never want to be positive and cool because it's always word the one that us military personnel could be put before the court. but the international court of justice that's existed since the stats of the united nations . in fact, it's actually a we named devotion of a court that existed in the print assessor the league of nations there in the peace process building in the, in the hey, it's the justices that you saw on the bench that they are elected by the un security council and the un general assembly is a single chain. usually they have to majority and both bodies in order to get on that court. they are renowned legal, so it goes, eliciting on that cold, it's going to be very, very hard for the bite and administration. i think to say that this is in some way biased because the vitamin ministration. remember when it comes to ukraine says you've go

i. c. c has drafted space in respect to israel and the action it could have taken in respect of israel if it has directed suite for tom, who for the last 12 years itself may sometimes come to the appreciation of work may have come to the appreciation. this is go to so we go to do our job. we called any move you to pressure there. know that pressure is being applied. it seems not to have been successful so far as mr. con is concerned. if there was any pressure and he's resisted it, well, good for him. what do you make of the parents symmetry in the accusations, right? even in the language that is used, the, the, the accusations that are put forward, the symmetry between a must accused of and what the is really leaders are accused though i didn't, i haven't read enough of the detail to make anything of that, but i didn't think you should read anything into symmetry. don't forget allegations our phones according to the statute as a code. and that determines pretty much the language that must be used

house supported a similar arrest warrant against the bottom are put in last year, stating that the i c. c has the right to condemn putting over the ukraine conflict . we spoke to dr. mustafah off a tour a spokesperson for need a war victims in libya who says washington's attempts to protect israel are deeply hypocritical. and if you look seriously at the stadium is concerning the jurisdiction of the i, c. c, you come over from the united states that you bought into or do i toss or anybody any other, appreciate it. there is no, there is no valid argument. if you like, there is no credit. why will understand the boom of a do? so both of the argument simply just because the, in this case it's about those are, they said so, which is really, which is a, protected by the united states. see the, the one or the international court, the, i mean the i c i and didn't ask for court of justice or the i c c, a, and this case since some of july and her book or see if you like it's, it's, we have seen it before we are seeing this now, and we'll see it again or from us, we see the united states, you know, try

all right, and that's why be, at the end of the i, c, c has all the preliminary uh, uh, quote. and the, i see the issue uh, uh, another slot. again, there's nothing you know on also the is why you the defense minister to are responsible for the uh, started vision of more than 2000000 people in the girls are also responsible for not allowing food to reach the hungry promise. the news that well, i guess the next logical question after such a statement, the israel's disrupting a deliveries by land sea and air is to ask what for to what end? why is this real doing that? would you say, i think that is compatible with the so called is really a start issue, which is maximum a military partial to identify most of the time, i'll send you as soon as the subbing for bookstore. but her is right now these really are, we have been experiencing the so called maximum military pressure to try to put more brush up on her mouse on the palestinian people to reduce the more than 100 infinity is one of your hostages built inside. and google, now i'm not that hasn't worked over the more than 7 of the

and after that, the 124 members of the i, c. c has the obligation to arrest these people when they come to their countries. i have to say that the, the countries like the united states, china, india, for example, russia, they are not members, so they don't have this obligation. but large parts of the world have like many european countries. and that's interesting because for example, germany is certainly much been supporting israel, so they have that obligation as well. and even before the arrest of orleans are issued at this stage, when this announcement has been made, these countries have already been sold in a precarious situation because they have to think about what their position will be towards its role. and also to watch how much. because they are members of the i, c, c. so it's going to be interesting to see how they will respond already in this stage of this investigation. just briefly on this. what's the timeline for when should we reasonably expect to find out whether the arrest warrants are going to be issued as well, the

but i think, i personally think that it is good that the, the, the i, c, c has taken this step because if they had only done visit a month, then america, which is made the noise, they really say here, you see, we knew that, that they're going up phase, right? so going out of both parties of shows the course of neutrality and hopefully that when the quarter decides to issue water far, nothing. yahoo is defense minister and how much lead years that it to be, you meant it. the problem is not that the water to come of the, the quote will decide. the problem is how this they'd be mended. you can, you know that. so when a virus against, um, president booting was issued um he talented to south africa. he teller 2 countries, and they said that he's the president of russia. we cannot accept this kind of treatment from icbc. and now america is making lot of noise. as you have also said in your intro, united states has a w morrow and here's hoping to see how much i, i want it to sort of go into that specific day. because, well, you know, if we talk about the fact that we've had john bolton, who's

who on these defense minister jo kalonde, the chief prosecutor of the i, c. c, has accused them of all crimes and crimes against humanity and calls are asked, what is the 3 how boss leaders have also been applied for all these actions for crowns? yeah, i believe that they all are believe that there is substantial evidence that the extreme right wing is really government led by nothing. y'all has used the vision as a weapon of war. yes, israel has the right to go after from us. very few people doubt that but nothing yahoo and his government do not have the right to wage in or out war against the children against the women against the innocent people of god. and for that, there must be consequences cus, a because we stay tons of the blinking says that he's support sanctions against the international criminal code. he spoke with a hearing where he was questioned about us assistance to israel. the hearing was disrupted by protest as accusing blinking it's supporting genocide, fuzzy. go hain. how's the latest from washington, dc? to hearings on the hills, same situation

well the words against is really politicians marks the 1st time the i c. c has targeted the leadership all the close ally of the united states. there was no yes, official reaction from washington. but this is what the white house had to say earlier. let's take a listen. so we've been really clear about the icbc investigation. we do not support it. we don't believe that they have the jurisdiction, and i'm just going to leave it there for now. israel and the united states are not members of the i. c. c, how wherever the quotes claims to have jurisdiction. however, gazda is the original name on the old provide west bank after palestinian leader is formerly agreed to be bound by the courts. principles back in 2015, something that the washington apparently strongly opposed. and as we know, the i c. c used as an arrest warrants against the drive. and i put in last year in washington, didn't say a word about the quotes jurisdiction that at the time, what can we say about those different positions? absolutely. earlier or the same court issued an arrest warrant against r

we do not believe that the i c. c has jurisdiction over this issue. and that's what the crux here beyond that i bought the prime minister and officials within these really government clarify or offer any commentary on his comments. but the crux of this for the united states is that we do not believe that the icpc has jurisdiction on this. i was discussing this earlier with the political analysts from the west bank, the side neighbor. now he says the shameful methods of being used by israel and its allies to reach that goal is have a listen for yourself. the 1st, the action came from the order in minnesota and it was for catch who's supposed to, you know, talking. i didn't know much of the way i tried to convince darcy see if i could do so. instead, he, i hope that he's in, so he'd be so the 1st to take on. so it started by thickening. well, according to this that was sickening at the i, c. c. and since last week and the whole, i'm just government. there started a huge campaign of golding each and every one or all the work of the events and bright mini

but the crux of this for the united states is that we do not believe that the i c. c has jurisdiction on this. when we discussed the issue with political analysts, the sod nimrod from the west bank, he says that shameful methods are being used by israel and its allies to achieve their goals. haven't listened for yourself. it is the 1st to actually gain from the order in minnesota and is, was for catch most upholstery, the way i tried to convince dicey see if i could do so instead, the hope that using the so the 1st the big or so it starts with by sickening, and we have the, according to this, that was sickening at the i c c. s since last week and the whole, i'm just government there started a huge campaign of golding each and every one or all the work of the events and bright ministers around the world. and especially in europe and trying to you know, to help them in our shop. i, as in the, i see an ip is you have said that there are some 30 or there are some brush of if you like it, coming from some of the dentist. you guys, you see, and that's why the eyes easy today. i

i'll just make clear that we do not believe the i c. c has jurisdiction in this matter and we're opposed to their investigation. yeah. but i mean, is this administration willing to consider reversing? it's reversal of the trump administration sanctions on the i see. so again, the next se, hasn't made a decision yet. i know that i'm aware of that, but i mean, but i is a draft, something you're willing to consider as you're asking me to forecast what we might do or what we might consider isn't when they make that decision, which the oh man i, i never willing to i'm just i, i actually, i shouldn't say never, not rule it out. or, i'm just now they would seem to be a big back track if you, if you guys went in and then and then reversed your reversal of what the secretary pump had did with the i c, c. i am just not going to make any forecast. one way or the other, we're going to wait and see what the c c does and make a decision based on that. the minutes of the fence, israel was this morning at the. ready between 11 on an israel and he and he said

i. c. c, prosecutor has been se, so he has not put in these applications for the rest flores, for 2 of the is really politically to sit on 3 of the leadership of how much, including the same law, who's sort of the main figure out to be that the x rays are chasing within the gaza strip. that was very interesting. what the chief prosecutor of the international criminal court khan had to say. he would say that, that he said that, that let's be clear on the court issue. if we do not demonstrate a willingness to apply the law equally, it's being seen is applied selectively will be creating the kind of conditions for its collapse. he means of the international criminal court itself. that's why this and i spend has come today with both sides, both sides of the complex involved, the leadership of both of them. he says he, his office has credible evidence from an independent investigation. i think also i've been speaking to experts just just in the our will say, since this has been a night and then some of them are saying that is very interesting. how does the prosecute to decided to come item his

i. c. c, which was formed in 2002. the palestine is a member and the code has the power to investigate what crime is committed on the touch feet of any of its members states. 3 while a panel of judges at the i c. c, we consider the prosecutors request with us walgreens, as well as faces for the international isolation as opposed to use it's months long lenses bombardment of gaza essentially, which is 0. so inside study that spring, and i guess for today's discussion, joining us here in the ha is diana book to a promise to the lawyer and legal analyst from london with joined by daniel levy, president of the us middle east project. so the full member of the official is really delegations to peace talks with the palestinians of talbot and also from amsterdam. we're joined by cape macintosh, executive director of the university of california, los angeles law schools promise institute for hugh and rights europe. she previously served at the international criminal tribunal is for the former yugoslavia and rewind, welcome to you. ok. let's stop with you. what's the significance of this move by the i see, see from your perspectiv

i c c last jurisdiction . here's more of what his a mat miller said. the united states has been clear since well before the current conflict, the i c. c has no jurisdiction over this matter. the i c. c was established by the state parties as a court of limited jurisdiction. these limits are rooted and prop principles of compliment charity, which do not appear to have been applied here. i mean, the prosecutors rushed to seek these arrest warrants, rather than allowing this really legal system a full and timely opportunity for to proceed. so how much pressure we likely to see then on the ice using judges to reject, prosecute, to cream cons request for these arrest warrants? what we just heard about the letter that the republicans in congress have written, threatening us sanctions against. i sees the staff that may be more of an empty threat though. what the us can do, and of course, it itself is not a signatory to this court. but many of its allies are, is european allies in the us could ratchet of pressure for those allies. in the event that this, these arrests are issued, t

i. c. c. has made his statement. president head, so for the minister guns and le pied went all out against it, defending the government, the police 10 pallets, the nunes have been killed in overnight is really strikes and central gaza. the victims were all from one family, including a pregnant women and children. their bodies have been taken to an upstart hospital . the attack happens in the way the area when is really strikes. targeted building sheltering displays, people thought about as soon as and dated by the from central garza. he has more on the latest, is really a tax that we have been witnessing of the past couple of hours more attacks by the use of the military. as there was a clear intensification of old calling dismissed a treat acts on the ground. now starting from the middle areas of specifically and is the one to tell me where at least 10 palestinians have been reported killed, including gun unplug, the baby that was extracted from the root of his mother that was supposed to killed

i. c. c. has made his statement, president head sold minister guns, and the pied went all out against it. defending the government and at the time like this when is where the majority is, where he's believe that we are in the mix of exist. oh, apologies. we we lost connection that to me. so i keep it out. are it is yeah, we've lost it. uh that was a keep a l dot from the high rates newspaper giving us these really reaction. and these really view the to this decision by island, spain, and no way to recognize palestine as a state that's bringing in ron con, once again, who's in amman? jordan, because these really government has bind down to 0 from reporting from within israel. so reminder, same run of these really reaction to this decision by these 3 european countries. we've heard very strong words from the foreign minister. that's absolutely right. israel accounts of foreign minister as leading the charge when it comes to the response. he's issued a statement. he begins by saying, talking about th