i mean the good thing for. you to win justice so i think we need to get information from somewhere because if we were not getting it from the news sources i mean everything is you know sensationalized in a reality show that's what we're living in over there now so it's good to actually get some information they're not telling us so i think we need people like chelsea to give us the information that we need you think for a long time the communities are both sides of the united states were getting a bit complacent in the whole job is waking them up actually i don't really think so i don't think well you know i think i think we need i'm not saying we need but i think this situation has got people i mean look at facebook everyone every day i have friends that are constantly posting about political stuff that never discussed it you know the past few years so i think it's a hot button right now which is really important to shake up what's going on like this can't happen this is insane what we're living in you know and

why so i mean even you know defining it as one thing finding it is just very hard i mean i can just say anything i want because i have a lot of followers on facebook some people will believe it we are we are currently having that problem with the president of the united states who just this it seems whatever he wants and some people believe it and it's hard you know are you claiming that the new york times is failing if you look at the actual graph of the new york times revenue is in fact going up but as a good fraction of the population believes the new york times is failing just because he says that it's very hard this is it's very hard to change your feel for mr zuckerberg after i do i don't know how to how to you know i don't know how to fix it well anyway we have to live in there really really appreciate your time with us please share your comments on our twitter facebook and youtube page just i hope to see you again same place same time. well the part. in the heart of the swiss alps is a place probably more secretive than the pentagon more mysterious than the cia and better guarde

way to incorporate that into your program yeah we're trying to do that we haven't done it as much i mean i think that that's one of the things that where we want duolingo to get better at teaching you the culture of also the countries when you travel i mean there's there's a lot there and the english would be bitching american culture or the british culture they are trying to you get to you get it would go into so that would be the idea and similarly when people are learning spanish there it's you know there is like twenty five different countries that speak spanish you would get to choose and we're starting to do that but we haven't quite done it i mean for example slang terms very very much between different countries and a lot of people really want to learn those so we're going to add that's not really there yet on the lingo but we're going to do that so you know you already mentioned that you think that the best the ways to have you know the best of the two worlds to come by teachers and the application in yourself benefited from having great teachers in life. change your ph d. under

why so i mean even you know defining it as one thing finding it is just very hard i mean i can just say anything i want and because i have a lot of followers on facebook some people will believe that we are we are currently having that problem with the president of the united states who just this it seems whatever he wants and some people believe it and it's hard you know are you claiming that the new york times is failing if you look at the actual graph of the new york times revenue is in fact going up but as a good fraction of the population believes the new york times is failing just because he says that it's very hard this is it's very hard to change your feel for mr zuckerberg after i do i don't know how to how to you know i don't know how to fix it well anyway we have to live in there really really appreciate your time with us please share your comments on our twitter facebook and youtube page just i hope to see you again same place same time. here i was a part. in two thousand and sixteen the panama papers show the world with a tax haven the secrets to trillion united states doll

i mean, he was from seattle. so this is actually something that my next book, whatever it is, i hope to address more. i keep my focus -- i mean, as i told you, this was a very complicated book. and so my focus is tight, tight, tight on the valley. i mean, obviously, when you talk about the birth of the ibm pc, then i need to be talking about gates. and, of course, gates comes up in the early home brew meetings where he's talking about, hey, you guys need to pay for software and this sort of thing. but, you know, he is very much part of this generation. i don't talk about him exmissitly, but he is -- explicitly, but he is just right in there. i mean, a lot of these things that we just ticked through with having a co-founder, everything i've talked about, i think, would absolutely apply there as well. >> next question, how will the increasing gap between high specialized technological advancements such as self-driving cars or drones and global poverty and the need for very basic services play out? [laughter] >> don'

from trumped arrangement syndrome because i could go through the things that we've had to deal with i mean i actually made up a list here you know from push the hat marches to the comi stuff to steal dossier and its contents we have the motor investigation we have a shady lawyer don don jr being just a shady one then we have these long distance experts determining the mental health of the president of the united states and we can go and there's a lot more to the media goes bonkers so are the media bonkers go ahead kevin. nothing new under the sun in many respects we've seen this before we can go back to any number of instances think about the clinton impeachment and how that became a national obsession over the o.j. simpson trial what we're seeing here i think is. an application and intensification of a tendency that's been part of the media sort of the corner the d.n.a. of the corporate media for many years now ok steve but i do think it is different because they're trying to unseat this president without any due cause and you know you know i'm a lay person will talk to jean in a second s

always appreciate it gary let me go to you first in cambridge explain what is going on with bitcoin i mean i'm of the age and i used to work in finance i can remember the dot com bubble and then it's melt down here not being very well versed in bitcoin what is going on here is this just speculation or is this the new shiny radiant future go ahead in cambridge. right i think i think a little bit of both to be honest and certainly we've seen you know some aspects of this story before as you mentioned you know after the dot com bubble exploded in two thousand two thousand and one there were a number of winners that emerged from that area and a number of new companies that were born after that have done quite well you know big has already been declared dead several times in two thousand and eleven wired wrote an article saying the rise and fall of we saw the crash in two thousand and fourteen yet it keeps coming back so wouldn't surprise me if we have another crash maybe a few more in front of us but it does seem that there is something important happening here with regards to the future of fi

they have like their firemen are well suited to do that ok i mean this gets down to it i'll just it's just how i let me hang on here let me see even just this to both of you stephen do you know here i mean what happened to the idea of a loyal opposition because this the media has abandoned that ok asking hard questions is fine over eight years old barack obama was never asked one hard question u.k. not one he was given a complete free pass atelier you know and i kevin is right i mean this should be adversarial but the they treat him is the enemy ok that is very different than the how they treated like nixon or even bush go ahead steve. but they said nothing to hillary about they about the women for years and years and years that accuse bill clinton and then how hillary help treat them and that never would have been an issue today if hillary had won you're absolutely right look barack obama stood by and watched putin take crimea he stood by and he watched putin go into syria he stood by and watched you know your rainy and one go to putin he stood by and he did nothing. nearly as much a

what you see really i mean i discussed at length about that. reflection of the society this is a reflection some of our first i was trying to convince myself that i was exposed only to the most why i'm segment of society marginal but then when you just what you see is by someone to person laid off this kind of content was try and start questioning the whole. if this foresight has not become insane. did you or did you have any contact with the owners of the contact with the owners of the content to mean it let's say you decide. that something should be deleted you did you have contacted you explain why something was deleted is there any type of reason given to the person who posted it. so first we don't see at all the identity of the person who's behind to post their reports they can be seen or not this is a can decide on that but we don't say it even if we don't have time because we have to make our mind in some thirteen seconds thirteen seconds to hand them over thousands of thousand five hundred reports every day that amazing how to put into

you know i mean to me. it sounds like it's it's a tragedy but then the reality they so much bipolar comedy in it because the tragic moments can be comic in the comic moments kind of the place that the single mother is. it's also that there are heroes times because there's so many first of all and they really have to manage a complicated life first they do have a symbiotic life with a child or children plus they do have to make a living and they have family life where they were in the. complex. if something seems to them a sense of. and that was for me was a very important thing that i wanted to dedicate this movie to all the women that are not. you know in the in the situation to fulfill their lives i do think comedy can help when it comes to psychological disorder and the general sort of chaos of life comedy can always help i think i mean i don't i am not. i don't believe changes the world but they can help understanding maybe sometimes by. empathy it's like you bring in the light into a dark cell and then

always appreciated gary let me go to you first in cambridge explain what is going on with bitcoin i mean i'm of the age and i used to work in finance ike i can remember the dot com bubble and then it's melt down here and not being very well versed in bitcoin what is going on here is this just speculation or is this the new shiny radiant future go ahead in cambridge. i think i think a little bit of both to be honest and certainly we've seen you know some aspects of this story before as you mentioned you know after the dot com bubble exploded in two thousand two thousand and one there were a number of winners that emerged from that area and a number of new companies that were born after that have done quite well you know big has already been declared dead several times in two thousand and eleven wired wrote in article saying the rise and fall of a coin we saw the crash in two thousand and fourteen yet it keeps coming back so wouldn't surprise me if we have another crash maybe a few more in front of us but it does seem that there is something important happening here with regard to the futu

well i mean i agree with you on that i mean you know who rock the americans were invited by the iraqi government of nuri al maliki initially and hyderabadi afterwards they came in but. syria they've never been invited in and they've never never been proved their presence by damascus so it is completely illegal and they should finish off i mean the trouble is the council behind eating away at us policy is this issue of trying to get our side to resign early on in twenty eleven thought he would resign or be toppled by the crowds in the street like what happened in syria what happened what happened in egypt i mean what happened in two news you're going to didn't happen there must admit that they made a terrible mistake and if they want peace in the country if they want reconstruction if they want to get a few jews to go home in the i.d.p.'s to go home they have to recognize that our side is the winner in this you must deal with him and construction reconstruction is go through him and all these rebel groups from outside funded by the gulf countries and turkey and so on must go home and l

i mean mass firing i mean it will be the saturday night massacre or nine hundred thirty seven you know soviet union i mean it's going to be it would have to be a huge purge. yes it is possible to do and it starts with the director what christopher ray was ever and literacy in there and what is needed to this ration i have no idea what actually up to they need somebody that what. they need in an attorney that was actually served in the intelligence services has a background is not tied to the bureaucracy and could go up and clean up and bring in whoever they want that would be the way to do it and that would be and it will remain an institution so you have to clean it up or they're just going to let it run amok as it has been for so many years and then as far as graduating to the special counsel we know no in spite of this memo whether it's released or not the only thing they're going to charge is either trying to trip up the president on a perjury charge from going to interview or simply money laundering and financial impropriety. to you from people like me in a fort and flint and if i

with such little confidence i mean this is troubling of course after only one year of a presidency but what will it mean to americans who are increasingly living in these polarized society loads of political opinions. well i mean to tell you the truth most americans don't vote on it and don't even really pay attention to foreign policy news unless it's war and less war and less we're in a war it's just the nature of the country and it's a big country and what people are most concerned about is what's happening to them and their family and their town that's what drives most conversation now i want to point out to the economy in america is actually doing quite well right now as donald trump boasts about it all the time it's not really his doing you know this is barack obama's legacy and janet yellen the federal reserve chairman says their legacy but trump wants to take credit for it and trump will take credit for it and there's a good chance that things are going to get considerably better in this country and that's what americans will be paying attention to not like public opinion polls

people have come to realize my gosh, this is my life, i mean, this thing knows where i am, who are myfriends, who i love, what are places i go to. it sees my pictures, you know? it knows a lot to it knows about your work life, your bank and that i think is what is making people say wait a second, who's behind all this? >> i would like to go back to what you are talking about: this incredible track record or reinvention, even despite pundits saying it's going to die and fail. what you think is that secret sauce of the valley's regeneration? >> so, i would point to first of all the comcast. i think the most important thing i would point to his immigrants. in the valley-- even at the time i'm looking at in this book already the percentage of the population in the valley that was born outside the country is running at about twice the us as a whole. now the statistics that i have seen out of actually joint venture silicon valley, their report on the valley shows that of the people working in the science and tech in the valley who are between the ages of 25 and 44, 66% of them, two thirds o

this was the right thing not the right time i think it was luck already also i mean. the broadcast. stations. at first they were afraid to do it they felt ok could you know people could feel it would be anti-semitic because you could laugh about jews and i said no this is a more modern way of dealing with jewishness it's like we're not laughing at them but with them they sold it by germany was waiting for and first jewish comedy happening in germany now and without the holocaust it's like. jews believe it or not continue living here how that means what it means for you personally that it was so successful here because then you germans really embraced the film. it was overwhelming and but then. how can they say. i know how to profit. and the movie that i made right after it was mine fuel. was exactly i could make it once in my life and i made it i knew exactly this is the most subversive movie i can do right now i want to make a movie. filled with hate that i had against you know all the movies that were made in this country about the nazis that i thought that doesn't work at all we h

opposite terms of trends and direction ok let me go to christopher christie year in iraq war veteran i mean if i could just ask you personally i mean. it seems like we have the continuation of this mentality of empire and i mean for iraq it's been a disaster for afghanistan it's always a disaster but and you know and what's happening in syria here it but we don't seem to learn any lessons here you were there do you see that what the problem is here. right i think there's a few different issues i want to try to address as many of them i can i think that we're all meeting several different things here we're overlooking several different things for one i think the president's actually moving away from nation building we're trying to get for example the iraqi security forces and the iraqi military's had significant gains against isis we've been trying to empower them to take the reins and to be able to do that kind of fighting themselves we've also admitted the fact that we've decimated the leadership of isis we've kept them in a constant state of confusion we've killed the some of bin laden th

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aging markers other genetic a level that were found to be the fish and let's say i mean we can not go into a full explanation indulge in the famous. these things were somewhat put aside as concerns but sort of there is still a and or a box effect and i think we do not understand the full significance and significance and in fact these are things that will have to be discussed but we will we won't understand the significance and back until we don't really large scale studies and the question is is i think it's still up in the air how large scale we want those studies to be close are we realistically to be able to clone human beings to me for my opinion yeah a lot of men and i would say we're probably going to see it in the next ten to twenty years while this is for us are out there probably working on it right now but it's considered criminal martin in many countries and i'm going to as i don't know if in single case in which human cloning is actually permitted essentially goes there bioethical medical ethics protocols which in theory at least play internationally known the lists part

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matthew carney nic what do you make of the door i mean what was that what for you when you read the book as much as you have read what is the most worrying revelation from the book. you know i would say that there's any one thing that's particularly worrying i think that reading the book is a almost a guilty pleasure number one because i think for many of us it confirms as christiane said our worst fears of though i don't think that they really needed to be confirmed because they're confirmed every day on twitter and elsewhere so i think it's further confirmation really of what we already knew that said i think that there are serious questions about the veracity of much of what is in the book and some people say well even if only twenty percent of what michael wolff is written here is true that's still horrendous which is certainly true but when you do not you don't want to say horrendous i've got you know one thing one line that leapt out at me trump won't read anything not a one page memo not a brief not the brief policy papers nothing. at all that's probably not true i think that that

i think it can work but i mean not really like that that was so i think what what needs to happen is to have like a fair kind of system financial system which now like profits more i mean like the global north it's it's very advantages to a lot of the businesses but also to the lot of the wealthy people in the globe but i mean like talking about what needs to be done i think one of the things that that needs to be done is actually cash conditional cash transfers to the poor that's something that needs to be done it needs to be conditional but it needs also to be a come by that but some sort of skill training for a lot of the poor and i think has worked in a lot of countries the other thing is like a lot of people have moved from poverty and then they are now in the middle class but they are very vulnerable because they are close to poverty they can fall back any kind of time so strengthen in those three to cation through incentives through different kinds of support so that they can stay in the middle class but also have the right skills in order to function is something that needs t

of course sweden is well it's a very small country i mean comparably to other countries i mean eight to ten million not eve city since amy and they have integrated not only welcome because you know it's not only a matter of welcoming people and putting them in attempts i mean seen in several countries i mean the problem is that first you have to create the economic environment to to integrate them and then you have to put in place policies for integration that means languages there. teaching that means providing good jobs i mean that corp with the skills that these people with improving their skills if needed i mean and then created also a societal environment that is really helpful i mean not to create tensions but on the contrary to create an amalgam i mean some kind of no. also cool to integration if you want to go there with an economic and social integration all these the swedish model shows that this is not impossible the reason i'll tear not even we are not not no more we should not be any longer aiming in this stop the stock in this thread. as they call it i mean there is no

or part of the kitchen cabinet or the president of the united states you know jesse in los angeles i mean i this is a very good point i'm going to take you to both points from what we heard from iran and here i mean if it if it's really all about trump then it's all about jake tapper it's also about rachel maddow it's about chris cuomo that if this is of equal measure here personally i find all of it quite toxic because there are a lot of problems to solve in the u.s. and around the world i could care less what jake tapper thinks about anything to be honest with you ok go ahead jesse go ahead. you know president trauma i call him a great white hope he will go down in history as the best president and he's one of them for sure about the best president that just country has ever experienced the president by telling the true been straightforward and putting country first and assess both and the children of the lie and the children of a lot of liberals the liberal media the democrats the right all republicans and it never tropper us the b.s. both they never had a plan or any intent to make am

get out of it i mean if something happens in the u.s. you think everyone's going to come to the u.s. as aid from europe and south korea and japan i don't think so why would they go ahead. i think that's a great point i think president trump is challenge to nato and europe to put more financial resources into their own defense and i think that would be a thing that we should be supporting but i want to go back a step i think we're still continuing to emit many many different factors for example you know we sort of discuss the u.s. in this sort of dystopian light and the tone and this this vision people want to come to the united states people are risking their lives to try and they're dying trying to get out of places like north korea where their governments and their the way they behave is absolutely zero freedom no freedom of the press extremely dystopian and in the case of iran you have an entire government that's stacked with clergy that's frankly extremely. if you speak christiane that i mean if you're a second you know but that has n

go to charity again i mean i think he says himself that it doesn't matter what he thinks it is fair or not he said that they're just holding to this line. everything that is said today i mean it. is a little bit of given that they're low some assets between thirty thirty five to compete a lot of a still doesn't make sense because ultimately as we all know this diseases are based on an informant kind of wish to get away from russia so i mean did this is based on roger i think we have a very very careful in how we deal with this further other. athletes the power of astley's they are already presumed guilty before they have a chance to prove their innocence well and shouldn't clean test results be that a ticket to the paralympics. so you get nicky i just miss out shooting clean it tends to result be the ticket to be lympics the paralympics. first sure for sure and i mean they're wanting to say is that we know that there will be key in our sleeves there and you know it was raised at the press conference i think was asked by one of our russian colleagues and you know look we know that there

so let's talk about favorite media subject don't trump the president of united states i mean he's got to make it harder for the you to pursue foreign policy. i think. it's difficult to. into preached what the u.s. is now trying to do and i think that it's quite clear that the influence of the united states on the world stage is in decline that is my conclusion is partially if this kind of trend is going to be continued but do you feel like that my result i mean the way donald trump is that might result in america losing its influence over the european union absolutely and and that means that if there is going to be areas where europe is going to play a bigger role. be also because of the fact that the u.s. is not that much interested in certain global issues anymore let's look at environment so maybe it's not that bad of a thing after all europe can become actually independent and make its own decisions yeah that is that this one aspect but then there is another aspect if you look at the global environmental protection for example if the united states is not active and playing its rol

i mean fair and reserve berthold. let's imagine alexander but we're going to be saying in brussels for example or here in berlin about that in the morning is that his is that code language from trump for be careful or i'm willing to throw the gauntlet down and have a trade war. wolf first of all i would say that this sentence is nothing new president tom was talking about it's davos and on different occasions so i would say that that's nothing that would surprise. the lions but at the same time the fear that he might one day starts sort of such a trade war is there are no doubt about that. and it's also interesting if you look at nafta is still alive right and the transpacific deal is still alive but it's happening without the yeah i did in eighty in leadership as in canadian right you know i mean i think that there's been a chastening kind of behind closed doors about what pulling out of nafta really just disrupting nafta would do to the u.s. agriculture sector and the auto sector both key sectors and if you think ab

always appreciate it charles let me go to you first i mean one of the reasons why i wanted to do this program is the scandal around brian ross over at a.b.c. and of course that was a horrific mistake and. the perception is there that that wasn't very good journalism and it's true because he was getting ahead of himself so much so much of the media gets ahead of itself not in reporting information but to further their agenda and in the process they're damaging journalism and the standards of journalism of drops so badly and in the western world right now and i would say and we can talk about this later in the program it's destroying institutions that we used to cherish go ahead charles. you know i totally agree with that i'm actually i started out as an investment banker and about ten years ago i began exposing corporate fraud and then charity fraud and i took the scandal which is still not been prosecuted the clinton foundation scandal to brian ross through one of his closest friends about about two years ago and he refused to cover no i did the same thing with jake tapper and

i mean and the. united nations the security council holds an emergency session on the anti-government protests that have swept iran. turkey lashes out at america apparently threatening to drop bilateral agreements after the conviction of a trigger spankers in the us that has pakistan also backed away from its alliance with washington. extreme hardship in france thousands of migrants continue to sleep rough despite president of france promise to find them all shelter before the end of two thousand and seventeen week hear from some of their stories. new look he's dismantling new people sleep good reason for the stories he is this the life he stole she would have known.

what i did was done on a cocktail of legal drugs. just because something's legal doesn't mean it's saying. i. was. for headline stories this hour the u.s. secretary of state claims russia is ultimately responsible for the chemical attacks that have taken place in syria since intervened in the conflict regardless of who was behind it. heads of state and titans of business. the swiss resort of balls for the world economic forum could wants on their agenda also to come. french prison staff blockade dozens of detention facilities across the country as they demand say for a working conditions following a spate of attacks by a. very warm welcome to our team international my name's o'neil good to have your company our top story this hour the u.s. secretary of state rex tillerson has said the blame for a chemical attacks carried in syria since russia's intervention in twenty fifteen lines with moscow regardless of who was behind them. whoever conducted the. rusher ultimately burrs responsibility for the victims of the. countless other serious targeted with chemical weapons since russi

to you i mean as. mentioned there are obviously there are problems within society of racism of discrimination you've got experience of the fashion industry the wider fashion industry is that a problem that is there this discrimination and racism or is this symbolic of it or as luke said is this being made too much of a big deal out of. there's no doubt that there's an issue there it's not it's not something it's. something that's just as a when you know there's definitely there has been issues with people of color coming into the fashion industry in the first place need to be represented fairly and even the connotation of beauty for people of color for star not just the first issue and but. the whole issue is with this advertising campaign it's an advertising campaign the. international it's an international campaign and it's so obvious that if you're going to use a connotation like monkey whether a child is a monkey you're going to choose a black child hold for the campaign and the white child as a su

i mean well you know what the future. i think there's something. for this film for of the where of when to lace why did you want to tell the story i mean why should we care about this this this truly crazy family first of all i think we're all crazy right i mean our psyche disorders. are in the midst of our society we know that it's pretty hard to survive in. this world i mean we all we're all desperate about their lives in the way some people are more or less happy with what they do and some people do have to do have highs and lows where the main the balance but all the people don't and i thought this is something that's it's really worth the comedy come to see me in it just to see. you know. the fact that it sounds like it's it's a tragedy but they do reality they so much bipolar comedy in it because the tragic moments can be comic in the comic moments kind of. that the the single mother. is also that there are heroes times because there's so many first of all and they really have to manage a complicated life first they do have a symbiotic life w

the p tape, i mean. [laughter] >> yes. but -- in somewhat of a e elliptical way there was a lot of -- can you imagine this, no, no it is not possible. and i have actually -- had disconcerting discussion with the president in the united states. okay, now. now we're talking and putting extra tile on the clock here. mirk el what did the president of the united states say, did he bring it up on his own? he brought it up on his own. [laughter] in what -- okay. how does one? >> i was embarrassed i didn't want to talk about you know, golden showers with the president. i probably should have. i just felt so ac a ward about this. >> what did he say? he was a germaphobe and couldn't believe that people were accusing hill of this, and -- did i think it was true? you know me he said but can you see me doing that, i didn't know what to say. i was like, okay. that was one with of a litany of things in the phone call or call you specifically so say you don't think this is true. i'm a germaphobe. but -- did you get the sense that the presi