in fact, there's a pretty incredible footage of when former prosecutor of the international criminal court that to been sued a travel to dar for, for the 1st time in 2021 of people in displace camps sheree and chanting for the arrival of the international criminal court trial in hopes of seeing justice finally prevail for these horrific crimes. right? at least captain from human rights. want to thank you very much indeed for your time. ah, the rising food prices are happening globally, partly due to the war in ukraine, a key source of weight for many countries. at the same time, muslims are observing the holy month of ramadan, where they fast from sunrise and ended with a meal cold. if dar at sunset, but rising prices and destruction to supply chains, i'm making that the challenge. he doubly as charles convey, met one family in dar salaam. robin has a new level of uncertainty right now. but do you have wheat flour? no, no. yes, we do. oh, i got one and a half kilos for $2300.00 shillings. i used to pay 1700 shillings. the prices have gone up a lot. what was going on and what that is g. for

this is the international criminal court. sometimes called the icc or hague in reference to the dutch city in which it is based. it is supposed to be the international court of law where war crimes are tried, and that's what it means to be sent to the hague and most jurisdictions recognize the icc and i say most countries because there are a few countries that have not, one of those countries is russia. another one of those countries is the united states. ukraine is also not a member of the icc. though it has accepted some authority by the court, in the past. even so, russia is unlikely to recognize the icc's jurisdiction any time soon especially when doing so would likely mean sending vladimir putin to face international criminal prosecution. don't hold your breath for that one. there are though some other ways to hold war criminals accountable beyond just the icc but most of those paths run through the united nations security council, where russia has the power to veto anything it wants, even if the rest of the world suppor

and he himself has spaces charges by the international criminal court for alleged to war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide committed in for he, it blatantly refused to see the sudanese government cooperate with the international criminal court despite a legal obligation to do so by through a resolution by the un security council. so that really blocked the possibility of these cases going forward for a tremendous amount of time. he was ousted out of power in 2019, and then in 2020 we saw cushy, voluntarily bring himself into custody of the international criminal court. he had been in central african republic breaking open the possibility for this case and hopefully more cases involving the outstanding fugitives to face judicial proceedings for the lead. when does cooking to sifting our focus on to former president amal this year? where does this leave him? will we be single share on trial? eventually, there is a call for the current student authorities to transfer omar al this year, he's currently in sydney's custody. he had been facing charges related to how he came into pow

s position with respect to the international criminal court. ls like the moment for america to re-those institutions. >> absolutely. and you're absolutely right. the united states had an easy relationships with international criminal court, in particular, you may remember that under the trump administration, that we actually sanctioned members of the international criminal court, judges, and attorneys who were participating in an investigation of the united states for actions committed in afghanistan. so we've had a very uneasy relationship with the international criminal court. and what this moment does present is an opportunity for the united states to think about how do we create accountability in these situations? how can we work with international criminal courts? sometimes it is the only body that is in a position to actually prosecute these crimes, and we believe in international law. we believe in the geneva conventions. and we need a way to bring accountability for these violations. and international criminal court is really the institu

international criminal court. al court can and is investigating allegation of war crimes, in ukraine, because it has been asked to do so by member states, but if thejudges of the to do so by member states, but if the judges of the international criminal court issue international arrest warrant, well, then, russia will not recognise or execute those warrants in respect of its soldiers in russia, it will not presumably extradite its members of its arm de ed services to the international criminal court in the hague to stand trial, and i have no doubt, that it will not subject its service personnel to courts martial within whatever militaryjustice personnel to courts martial within whatever military justice system exists welcome back its armed forces, so what that means in practise, those who are accused of war crimes, and who remain in russia, certainly while president putin or a like minded president remains in power, will probably evade internationaljustice, so i suppose what is the answers to that question? well, w

him to actually carry out procedural actions on the territory of ukraine, moreover, the international criminal court, the prosecutor of the international control court, his subordinates joined the joint investigative team together with ukrainian colleagues, colleagues from poland, yes colleagues from latvia, respectively, because they do not carry out procedural actions, in addition, a number of countries, namely 13 countries, have opened criminal proceedings in their own territories, they can and do collect evidence of war crimes committed by the russian federation and actually citizens or military personnel of the russian federation, this is also possible because a lot of weight is played by the evidence collected with the help of accompanying satellite data with the help of a-a various interceptions e-e electronic communication radio communication all this is in our western partners e and all this is also a-a sooner or later it will be late, but it will form the basis of the verdicts that will be handed down regarding the actions of the russians. well, if more parliaments will recognize the actio

was announced that it should be opened back in december 2020, the then prosecutor of the international criminal courtubensuda was more than a year pause and the main proceedings were opened only when a large-scale invasion began and 39 countries appealed to the international criminal court and called to open these proceedings. everything is happening very quickly and we are also waiting for this speed and from the international criminal court thank you very much oleksandra really no matter how long it takes we will wait for criminals are those who help criminals, in particular, we are responsible for this with inspired things oleksandra matviychuk, head of the center for civil liberties, came to talk with us about the prospects of prosecuting patriarch kirill, who openly supports the war and the crimes committed by russia in ukraine, well, we continue the marathon, united news, together we are strong will support the ukrainian army with money, scan the code, we will convince you, we will win , and what are you, news to me, together, we are strong. the unconquered cities of ukraine are cozy and comfor

same mechanism until it is stopped and said that what was happening in particular, the international criminal courtas already taken an interest in the international criminal court, and the prosecutor general is conducting an investigation. the prosecutor general said that she is also conducting the investigation, and in parallel, colleagues from the baltic states and from poland, and there is a third structure, and for the first time today it was presented by an international independent commission under the auspices of the un human rights council. that is, all these three structures, they announced today that they are not just going to launch an investigation or are they already collecting specific facts, e colleagues of the studio p dmytro a, please tell me if you know about e-e ukrainian a certain plan as ukraine, first of all, sees how this investigation should take place, you say that several e institutions a will investigate the war crimes committed by the russian a federation, how synchronized will they act and if we talk about the time dimension, how long can this investigation drag on in t

international court. you're talking about a different international court and not the international criminal court in the aggression. tell me about that. >> one of the problems we face here is that the international criminal court has jurisdiction over war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide, but because of a weird glitch in the way that it works with the warm statute it can prosecute crimes of aggression committed by russians. so if that's going to happen, it's going to happen with a new court and the question is what is that new court going to be? how do we create this new court so there's a bunch of different proposals out there for creating an independent court just for the purpose of prosecuting the crime of aggression and probably the best path forward is going to be a negotiation between the united nations and the ukraine to create a treaty for the court of the exclusive purpose of the crime of aggression and that court will go after those who planned to carry out this illegal, aggressive war against ukraine. >> thank you for your expertise and sharing it with us. this is not an area that

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we look at a landmark carrying at the international criminal court, the alleged former leader of a non group in sudan denies he committed war crimes. ah, well, welcome to the program on top story ukraine's president has told the united nations security council the body should expel russia or dissolve itself altogether. for the muse lensky was demanding accountability for russia's alleged war crimes in his country. he says the world is yet to learn the full truth and the massacre and boucher is only one example of what russian troops have been doing since the war started $41.00 days ago. and a warning that this report from kristen salumi does contain some graphic images that to view as my find distressing. ukraine's president addressed the security council on the heels of his visit to boucher vladimir zalinski called for the united nations to hold russia accountable for war crimes. saying it's credibility is at stake. typically when does a great hello, ladies and gentlemen, are you ready to shut down the un? do you believe that the times of international law have passed away? if your an

he says, we will involve the international criminal court that's going to be difficult for him to do because russia is not a signatory to that particular international body that weren't stop. and they said, we will show the rest of the war criminals in the world. that if the biggest criminal is punished, they will all be. and then he said, adverse gets away with this. then there's no international law. you need to act immediately. the security council needs to be reformed. a veto can't be the right to die. a veto is, is that the apparatus that any one of the panel members of yours you're in security council can use when it comes to voting, for example. now, he also talks about something akin to the nuremberg true tribunals that happened after the 2nd world war. he said, the people who gave the orders must be brought to justice. i have to say that was echoed in an interview that did with the attorney general head who laid out 2 very key strategies that i have. one is the international criminal court. the other is actually to actually prosecuting people within that ukraine itself. and e

these war crimes or not, if they were that import case could, could start in the have the international criminal court against russian military officials. but alexander, neither ukraine nor russia party to the international criminal court to the rome statute. so neither can really bring allegations to prosecutors and the international court of justice, which was on dispute between states, both have rolled, upholding the boards of war. which of these 2 bodies you think is more apt to take on a case like this? yeah, well, there's already a case for the j of more broadly. is there a number of different options in terms of accountability and have emissions of inquiry that can be undertaken the work that's done by human rights monitors. as we've been hearing about, you can also have domestic cords that are established also through the past for universal jurisdiction which has political rated recently. you can have other countries, you know, bring, bring sued, hold people accountable. so there are a number of different options or should be who would be prosecuted in this case? what would it go as far up as

the international criminal court says the whole country is a crime scene n u. s. president jo bye. he says that this is genesis also coming up. finland says it will decide soon on applying for nato membership. public support for joining nato. have serge, since russia invaded you correct? ah, i bring gov is good to have you with us on this wednesday, and we start with growing evidence that russia is committing war crimes in ukraine so much so that you as president biden has now described vladimir putin's war as a genocide of the ukrainian people today the chief prosecutor of the international criminal court said that all of ukraine is now a crime scene. russia dismisses it as fake or staged, but evidence is mounting of low crimes committed by russian troops in ukraine. a 2nd mass grave has been excavated in boucher investigate to say it contained 40 to 60 bodies less than a week ago. 57 bodies were exhumed from another mass grave in the town near key. if this and news of other atrocities lead president joe biden, to break it to who and accused the kremlin directly of genocide. yes,

also tell you about a landmark carrying at the international criminal court. the alleged form leader of an armed group in sudan. it denies. he committed war crimes and communication vases . observation, scientists say satellites are blurring their view of the cosmos and in sport is advantage. manchester city and the champions, the ab test lexical madrid in their core to file 1st. legs thanks to a goal from kevin to brain. ah, hello, welcome to the news. our top story ukraine's president has told the united nations security council a body should expel russia or dissolve itself altogether. modem is a lensky, was demanding accountability for elijah war crimes in his country. he says the world is yet to learn the entire truth and the massacre and boucher is only one example of what russian troops have been doing since the war started $41.00 days ago. and there is kristin salumi has worn out from the united nations in new york. ukraine's president addressed the security council on the heels of his visit to boucher vladimir zalinski called for the united nations to

i think would also be problematic in terms of and the international criminal court. so even if that were, and i come off p, i talks between ukraine and russia and i can see the prosecutor of the international criminal court respecting such. and i'm this day, and i think he quite likely to say it's my responsibility to prosecute those who are most responsible for the most serious international crimes. and that's what i'm going to do. ok, that's very clear. thank you so much for outlining that for us. professor yvonne mcdermott reese from swans a university aah! hungry nationalist, a prime minister victor oberon has won a 4th consecutive term and office is finished party fort off on the lines of opposition. parties in sunday selection and said to regain its 2 thirds majority in parliament pro government newspapers have election winner, victor or bon splashed across their front pages of 4th victory. that for some comes as little surprise in these on, but i trust they will be why is when investing the money they stole despite some pull predictions, the results were clear.

we have had a meeting with her general parisha cuter, on the international criminal court. so the 1st thing, russia, how to make russia accountable for the gross gross regulations of international law. we will provide assistance in documenting their war crimes this morning with the prosecutors international court and also by video conference with the prosecutor of ukraine. we discussed about the situation where we support both procedures financially and with our team in the ground. they repay a unit advisory commission who was in ukraine before the war now will be deployed in order to cooperate with any and general pressure pewter. to ensure investigation and collection of evidence in the ground and sanctions. we continue discussing about how to implement the sanctions to avoid any kind of loopholes. we measure the impact that the sanctions as having under russian economy . and we'll continue discussing in order to see what else can be done. nothing of the table including sanctions, denial, and gas that do they? no decision was taken just a general discussion, analyzing the

ukraine itself could prosecute the international criminal court could prosecute, or possibly the night of states could prosecute. ukraine itself is the preferred mechanism, that's the way that international law operates. even the international criminal court difference to the. so that's possible. the ukrainian prosecutor has already said that she is doing that investigation, and they reported that as many as 50,000 investigators in ukraine are doing them. the harder one as the international criminal court, because there are many vessels in that court that don't work in this context. >> there are many captured russian soldiers in ukraine right now, presumably some of them as individuals of that those dictates could fall under ukrainian prosecution directly for these were crimes. but what would be -- if you see the scenario for vladimir putin is ending up in these serious jeopardy here would be the collapse of the regime. and we have seen that kind of that's exactly right, lawrence, there is a lawyer problem and there is a practical problem. the lawyer problem is, is it a crime, can you

we're an unacceptable violations of international law by the international criminal court. and others were telling you, here at the un, we've had the prosecutor of the international criminal court in the last few hours, kareem con, saying that they and he's been to care of himself. and to this, those play those scenes as well. saying that he is now trying to make this the fastest investigation of its tight war crimes investigation in history. he said the always working went work with something like this. and he wants to try and proceed with his prosecutions with his investigations as quickly as possible. so, so what can realistically be achieved, maybe from this visit, james, that you say long term we are looking at possibly, you know, a crimes against humanity type of investigation. and eventual trial. it seems paths that the secretary general is at the moment between a rock and a hard place as to try and make sure that his agency is seen as doing something positive. yeah, the sex general, the perceptions of this trip i think are important. but yes, the 2nd general going to

neither russia nor ukraine, except the jurisdiction of the international criminal court. how much a problem is that? well, and you are right, they are not state party, they have not ratified the wrong statute. great. and has accepted the jurisdiction under specific revision and on that basis, investigations are going on since the end of 2013, we should not forget. we are talking here about a situation which only has a rapid or, has been radicalized by the invasion of every but we are talking about possibly crimes in eastern grade in the cream. and these crimes. happy invest the, the, i'm the investigation of course. now the focus is on positive walk rhymes in the context of the vision, but the 2 digits based on in content i create as a territory state. what about the timeline here? if, if cases were to actually get to court, how long would it take for a trial to take place when, when could we expect to see something happen legally? yeah, i mean, legally we already see something happening and we are formally now in an investigation of the office of the prosecutor, of the i

see the international criminal court. how will show the, the rest of the war criminals on the will that we will prosecute. the biggest criminal which he referred to as being russia. because we can punish them than all war criminals can be punished. that's going to be difficult for him to do because russia is a signatory to the international criminal court. he went on to say a force against away with this them. there's no international law any to act immediately. the security council needs to be reformed. nanette, talk about that, that will be a surprise to many people here. and ukraine actually talk to the attorney general here about investigations. and she was very much focused on domestically bizarre lensky seems to have up the ante here. he's actually talking about un security council reform to the actual security council itself. and that has to be noted that's going to be a landmark criticism of the own security council and rochester, and just on the point of, well, what zalinski had to say. i mean, one more thing tha

folly: but alexander, neither ukraine nor russia is party to the international criminal court. ither can really bring allegations to prosecutors. the international court of justice which rules on disputes between states have ruled upholding the rules of war. which of these bodies is more apt to take on a case like this? alexander: there is already a case for the icj. there are a number of options in terms of accountability. you can have commissions of inquiry that can be undertaken. you have the work that is done by human rights monitors as we have been hearing about. you can also have domestic courts that are established also through the principle of universal jurisdiction which has proliferated recently. you can have other countries bring suit, hold people accountable. there are a number of different options. folly: who should be prosecuted though in this case? would it go as far up as president putin? alexander: well, we know that it is very hard to arrest and put him on trial, but people can be tried -- suits can be brought forth without the person being present. if they don

well, the international criminal court is the prosecutor general from the international criminal court visited to dan twice the former prosecutor general parts have been visited as well as the current prosecutor general mess with the government officials and they signed cooperation deals, agreeing to hand over the other suspected people accused of war crimes and crimes against humanity and genocide in dar 4, but that that was basically just signatures. nothing has been done on the ground to handle, but the others who wanted including presidents, former president thomas and his aid. how to embed is something that the international criminal court has been pushing for thing that, how don't faces similar charges like article shapes. so they wanted to see him in the hague to be try together with the adequacy that has not happened and talks about cooperation between the i c. c. and the for the new government has largely stop since the military take over happened in october of last year. now let's not forget that the current head of the sovereignty council, who effectively as the president up

one is obviously the icc, the international criminal court in the hague.you were right, neither russia nor the u.s. ratified and are signatories -- signature states, but there are other ways to take cases. one way, what happened here, so state referral. so let the when you was a signature -- the duane yeah was a signature state as well as u.k., referred the case of the ukraine situation to the chief prosecutor of the icc. the chief prosecutor opened an investigation for this is restricted to war crimes. so the so-called crime of aggression is not covered by the investigation and that is due to the very weak legislation when it comes to war of aggression, crime of aggression because many states don't want to submit themselves under any kind of international jurisdiction. they want to lead the wars. war crimes can also be investigated under the principle of jurisdiction in a number of european and other states and so several prosecutors, including the federal prosecutor in germany, also offered investigations into the ukraine situation. last and not least, w

. >> the international criminal court is investigating. lly support the authority of the international criminal court and i crossed them -- and i trust them. i appealed to theussian federation to cooperate with the international criminal court. it is absolutely essential ever there is a violation of international law, violation of human rights law, a war crime, it is absolutely essential that the truce is completely clarified, and that those responsible will be punished, that accountability works. ben: wt were your impressions when he went around those towns today, where there has been so much killing of innocent civilians? >> when i was there, when we feel the emotion of being in a place where people have suffered so much, i felt as if i was imagining my family there, and how terrible it would be. i think when one works like i do in international organizations, sometimes, we are absorbed with numbers. every person matters. and that is what counts, to be able to support people in distress, to be able to rescue people in distress and to unde

the international criminal court, no. there is no immunity before the international criminal court. that is why putin can be investigated. problem is migration crime. and this crime was established that most countries, russia, and the ukraine, have to be members. and russia is not a member of the icc so you need a solution that will never pass because russia has veto. so it protects putin from that crime. however there are crimes against humanity that because when you see this hospital destroyed, people killed on the street, very difficult for the prosecutor to prove the responsibility under vladimir putin. because not only you have a victim, you have to prove who committed the crime. and i don't think that it is clear that putin ordered soldiers to kill the civilians on the street or to shoot and shell the hospital which includes killing civilians. in war you can kill any combatant legally, but you cannot kill civilians. >> luis, thank you very much for your insight. we'll be following this for sure. >>> coming up, two major banks warning that we could be headed straight toward a r

so legally ukraine has accepted the jurisdiction of the international criminal court to common investigate. in essence, ukraine invited the i c. c. several years ago to come and investigate work crimes. and they didn't put an end date on that invitation. so the international criminal court, the prosecutor still has that invitation, still has jurisdiction. so whoever is committed war crimes in ukraine, the prosecutor can investigate. the fact question is a harder question. so the legal question is easy. the i c c has jurisdiction over war crimes. there and can investigate the fact question is harder, it's hard to investigate during an ongoing armed conflict. i think it's no worthy and i think it's very important that the prosecutor is already started to gather evidence. it's also noteworthy and important that civilians are submitting evidence and that there are satellite imagery, this being retained, all of those things can help the case. so i think that the legal question has been resolved fairly in a straightforward way. the fact question about investigation that's difficult, but the i c,

so it is entirely possible that when cases are opened, whether that's at the international criminal court, or whether it's in a national court because there are a lot of national investigations going on, that those who are responsible i will be brought to justice. we might not see it in the immediate aftermath um, but as i said, we seen in dar 4. we've seen in other places that as several years after crime is committed and there's still ample opportunity for people to tell, typically face justice, ashleen reedy, senior legal advisor and human rights watch. thank you so very much. thank you. i am thinking while missiles have struck the strategic port of odessa home to ukraine's navy on the southern coast until now and as i had mostly avoided russian attacks and so far been spared the intense bombing that's devastated. the city of mario pl. further to the east, russia says its latest strikes, targeted an oil plant and fuel depos, but ukrainians fear that moscow is planning to step up the bombardment bomb strike. he crane's main port city of odessa, turning the torn sky, orange quaking resid

and the chief prosecutor of the international criminal court said ukraine is a crime scene. he made the comment while visiting the town of butcher, near keith, where hundreds of civilians were found dead after russian forces withdrew. russia dismisses it as fake or staged, but evidence is mounting of war crimes committed by russian troops in ukraine. a 2nd mass grave has been excavated in butcher. investigators say it contained 40 to 60 bodies, less than a week ago. 57 bodies were exhumed from another mass grave in the town near key. if this and news of other atrocities lead president joe biden, to break to bu and accused the kremlin directly of genocide, i call the jealous i have become clear, clear that good. try to white buffy idea the baby friend mom. the evidence of mary livermore last week, the more evidence coming out of literally all of the rushes of done in ukraine in a press conference with reporters kremlin boatman dmitri pe scave rejected the accusation and said washington's past means it has no right to make such judgments . or credulity squished, you mean if on

take place and everything as of now, how does the cooperation between ukraine and the international criminal court look like, what are the developments, and is the work of the investigators and members of the international criminal court continuing in ukraine, this issue should be brought to the prosecutor general’s office. i can say that in our country, in the kyiv region, more than a thousand dead bodies have been found as a result of russian aggression. this means only civilians, women, elderly people to create. elderly people, children, by far the majority - it was killed in the city of bucha or around it, because there these drawings were especially dangerous and cruel. we are establishing the identity of these wastes and according to witnesses and according to data from social networks and according to data intercepted of their conversations , and they are many threw away their documents, including in the cities of the kyiv region, sumy, chernihiv, etc., we will establish their identities, bring them to criminal responsibility, you understand, and they will not leave the russian federation a

host: if i'm not mistaken, of the u.s., russia and ukraine are not signatories on the international criminal courtt mean this conflict will never be part of this court? guest: no. article 12 of the statute. when you do the macro numbers, the u.s., russia, china, india, of these major powers are not signatory to the treaty. when you ratify the treaty you are conveying territorial jurisdiction. so there's a separate clause that says even if you are not a full-blown treaty party you can also consent, you can transfer territoriality and that's exactly what ukraine did back in 2014 buried there is a declaration where ukraine has consented to the jurisdiction for crimes committed on its territory. that's why they have every right to try these cases. i would also say occupation law cases going back to 2014. from a ukrainian perspective they would argue this war started back then and not in february of 2022. host: let's start with grant calling from washington, d.c. on the independent line. good morning. caller: thanks a lot. according to the michael haas book, george w. bush war criminal. he detailed 200

the civilian population, among them the dead and wounded, the chief prosecutor of the international criminal court addition to khan, in turn noted that the number of countries that turned to the international of the criminal court regarding the investigation of the situation in ukraine, an unprecedented lesson, three states took part in the event, and amal clooney, a well-known lawyer, and a human rights defender who advises the ukrainian government in the case of bringing russia to justice , speaking, she mentioned the statement of volodymyr zelensky, who compared the russian military to militants, an idiot i have spent the last for seven years i represented the interests of the victims of genocide and the great success of the deal was that the un security council, in a rare display of unity, agreed to start during the investigation, i had children during that time and i remember well how i came to the radbes to look at the voting for my children. it has been almost 5 years now and so far most of the evidence collected by the un is in storage because there is no international court that could con

this morning we have had a meeting with a general producer cuter, on the international criminal court, showed the 1st thing russia how to make russia accountable for the gross gush regulations of international law. we will provide assistance in documenting their walk crimes dissolving correspond, christine, when war is in luxembourg, and she explains how the european union is offering its support to the icy. well, it's both political support as well as monetary support. that is the european union effectively as sustained. the international criminal court are in its probe of war crimes in ukraine. it's going to do this through its mission ad that is in ukraine . this mission was in ukraine for the war. and it is going to be assisting the i c . c with evidence gathering to help the i c. c. build its case as so as to bring at these war crimes at allegations are to be effectively looked at and possibly resulting in some kind of prosecutions are. we also know that to a hit that germany sweden and another human misstate, a pledge to something to the tune of 2 and a half 1000000000 euros are

the international criminal court says the whole country is a crime scene and u. s. president by says this is jennifer also coming up tonight, a plea from ukraine's president send us tanks to help us avoid an endless blood bath. and germany is now facing criticism for not sending help fast enough. and finland says it will decide soon on applying for nato membership. public support for joining nato have surged since russia invaded ukraine. ah, i bring gov is good to have you with us on this wednesday. there is growing evidence that russia is committing war crimes in ukraine. you as president joe biden has described vladimir putin's war as a genocide of the ukrainian people. and the chief prosecutor of the international criminal court says that ukraine is a crime scene. he made the comment while visiting the town of butcher near keep where hundreds of civilians were found dead after russian forces withdrew. russia dismisses it as fake or staged, but evidence is mounting of woe, crimes committed by russian troops in ukraine. a 2nd mass grave has been excavated in bou

i don't believe russia is a partner to the international criminal court. es, for that matter. what are some of the difficulties from a legal standpoint that such a prosecution might face? >> to be clear, the international criminal court in the hague does have jurisdiction over crimes against humanity and war crimes, and it is investigating those right now. it also has jurisdiction over genocide if that is happening. although as far as what i can tell now, that's not so clear. one thing that is crucial, if a russian national commits a war crime on the territory of ukraine, the international criminal court has jurisdiction. there is one crime missing and i just listened to the ambassador. this is what i'm calling for and i'm supported now by over 100 former world leaders. prime ministers, presidents, and president zelenskyy is calling for this. he is calling for the creation of a special tribunal. nuremberg style, to investigate and prosecute the crime of aggression. waging illegal war. and up to this point, the united states has not been joining that call. m

now, earlier today we heard from a counsel to the international criminal court at the hague. if he suggested that n g o n journalist or reporting on this was a good country view to witness fatigue before the case comes to trial. what's your take on that? that's an interesting perspective. we pay that sometimes from legal experts. we see our role as gathering evidence as quickly as possible, but men take us to be as possible and not producing a not creating witness. but we are very, very careful when we're interacting with witnesses, not to reach home and tied them to ensure they have social medical, psychological support. so we think they should have a, have a role playing alongside, obviously, the patient investigative. now, could there be grounds for crimes against humanity or genocide as president zalinski is alleging against humanity is a broad term. and what crimes fall within that genocide in the very specific term used for an intended eradication of our own or part of a, of a group. in this case, probably the ukrainian population, we don't think they get the evidence i

now, earlier today we heard from a counsel to the international criminal court at the hague. if he suggested that n g o n journalist or reporting on this was a good country view to witness fatigue before the case comes to trial. what's your take on that? as an interesting perspective, we hear that sometimes from our legal experts, we see our role as gathering evidence as quickly as possible, but meticulously as possible and not producing and not creating witness petite. we are very, very careful when we're interacting with witnesses, not to reach wilma ties them to ensure they have social medical, psychological support. so we think civil society organizations have a, have a role to play alongside, obviously the official investigators. now, could there be grounds for crimes against humanity or genocide as president zalinski is alleging or crunching against humanity is a broad term and war crimes fall within that. genocide is a very specific term used for an intended eradication of a hold or part of a group. in this case, probably the ukrainian population. we don't think we're

these crimes should be investigated and refer to the international criminal court . and furthermore, the countries of the o, i am a particular, the democracies. i need to lean on russia, do everything that can get rushed to exit your crime. russia needs to leave your crime and be told that it is non negotiable, that believe every inch of ukrainian territory. where's the euro need to make sure there's a pendant? as a lensky is calling for a reform. ok, we've just lost our gas bear. that was richard painter, professor, professor of law at the university of minnesota. we'll see if we can bring him back into the show later on. for now though, let's turn to our next story. russia has denied accusations that its troops committed. war crimes in boucher reclaims the bodies found on boutros. the streets only appeared after its forces withdrew from the town. but visual evidence contradicts that narrative. the new york times has published satellite images which show a street in boucher. this 1st image you're looking at is from february 28th. that's before russian troops to cont