so why are the iranians at the table? two reasons. first, prime minister netanyahu made the threat credible, as as barak's in consistent public statements. that has been very helpful to the united states, and to the rest of the p-5, although some of the countries might not acknowledge that. i can't imagine the russians and chinese acknowledging that, i think the americans should. that we can narrow the gap the more we should do that. one reason they're at the table. second, the eu has taken a very big decision to go beyond financial sanctions, well beyond the u.n. security council resolutions towards and oil embargo, which is going to be phased in starting next month, and the united states with the help of both congress and the administration is going forward towards central banks sanctions. these are the toughest sanctions that have ever been put on iran knop question iran is being forced to disengage from the international financial system, from swift and other financial institutions and this is all positive. that's why they're at t

secondly, it has an effect on the iranian perception so the iranians, in fact, don't misperceive the will that we have. and i suspect that, you know, when you think about the very meaning of coercive diplomacy, you know, this is the logic of it. if we want diplomacy to succeed, the iranians have to believe that force is, in fact, the likely alternative if they don't allow this process, in fact, to work out. >> steve? >> i obviously support that recommendation. i was part of the bpc task force that made the recommendation. i was pleased to see last week the house of representatives adopted legislation endorsing that recommendation, calling for the transfer of aerial refueling cape skpblt bunker-buster munitions to israel. >> i certainly believe that without diplomacy and the threat of force, we can't be successful. we've got to apply the pressure. more important for me that the united states is a credible military threat against iran. and if diplomacy should fail, it should be the united states that takes the lead in any use of force, not israel. in my view. i think it would be better

iranian threat? >> one has to look at the totality of the iranian threat, not only in terms of what it represents a from the nuclear standpoint, but also what it has embodied in the region. this is a country that has actively sought to extend its reach. it has used different kinds of processes, whether hezbollah in iraq. is a country that seeks a gemini in the region. -- a gemi hegemony in the regio. if you are assessing american interests and looking at the region, you have to look at what they're run's behavior is over time. i can say this, back in 1990's when i was a negotiator, we were contending with iranian- inspired effort to subvert these processes. there is a history here of being hostile toward american interests. we have seen different iranian leadership's, at least in the form of the president, who have adopted postures, which talked about a dialogue for civilization and there was the possibility of trying to find ways to build bridges between the two sides. he was not able to deliver ver

all these things are visible to the iranians. iranians know there is the capability out there. this is another wave underpinning we are serious when we talk about the threat and how we approach it. there certain kinds of exercises that can be conducted with the capabilities we have that send a message to the iranians that this is not just talk. how you integrate diplomacy with military capability has always been the essence of coercive diplomacy. when we look at why the iranians are at the table, there are a lot of different factors. i would say in addition to the pressures they feel from the sanctions, they are acutely aware of the shifting balance of power in the region. they are acutely aware of their increasing isolation internationally. i think they are also aware of more of their capability to threaten neighbors is being planted. we put that together, i think that is part of conveying the image we are serious about the objectives we have stated. >> i think it is all well and good to say israel should not attack and the united states should. my personal view is there is vi

iranian behavior at the negotiating table especially as we look towards baghdad? >> the path we've been on began the '05, '06 time frame designating institutions involved in iran's nuclear program, working through the un to get resolutions adopted. highlighting iran's failure to comply with its international obligations and also designating people at the u.n. level and working with foreign partners, both in the private sector and governments to have spectacular actions taken to isolate and put pressure on iran. the last you know, three years, we have been pursuing the dual track strategy. on the one hand, offering iranian the opportunity for meaningful, substantive, sincere engagement, but on the other hand, making sure they will face increasing pressure as long as they don't accept the offer of engagement and we have as the engagement track wasn't bearing any fruit, steadily and aggressively, increased the pressure. additional designations. using new authorities that congress has given us to apply greater pressure on the financial sector in iran which has cull mi

>> iranian intelligence, specifically the intelligence.o monitor the activities of the iranians to suppress them, to make arrests and finally to torture them and according to a source, they have tens of thousands converting to christianity. this is a big, big concern for the government. they don't know how to handle it. in one city with over one million population, according to the source, they have 30,000 iranians that have converted to christianity. tens of thousands more are unknown to the intelligence. >> how is this recent effort different from the ongoing attacks from the iranian government over the years? >> let me make one thing clear, many in iran, youth, elderly, it is not with rules, they respected islam. today that respect is visibly gone and oppose the religion and what it prescribes and they are very outspoken about it. people are joining the move to convert to christianity. >> give us some examples, can you specifically of what is happening against christians, there? >> according to this source, who himself was in the intell

ban an iranian oil imports, is that a nonnegotiable precondition for the iranians before iran will give anything? even if the fairly preliminary stage on this enrichment of the high-grade uranium? >> what can be the maximum concession the p5 plus one they can require iran. first of all is the maximum level of transparency on the nuclear program including enrichment. >> warner: that's what ms. maloney was referring to. and the i.a.e.a. tentative deal yesterday to allow i.a.e.a. access to some of these sites? >> yes. already iran agreed with the i.a.e.a. on a new modality agreement award plan to address all ambiguities of the i.a.e.a. including the possibility of military dimension issues. the agreement tentatively is reached and is ready to be signed. second is all assurances that iranian nuclear program would remain forever peaceful and iran would remain a nonnuclear weapon state. the proposals... iranians they have proposed includes all this. it means the maximum level of transparency, the maximum level of cooperation with the i.a.e.a., even giving access to the i.a.e.a. to military si

a lot of iranian oil is sitting in tankers because they can't sell it. the sanctions are sharp and they will be sharper especially given the fact that oil accounts for most of iran's foreign currency reserves. as steve simon said to you about how iran cannot even access 60% of its reserves. that's important. but that gives america more of a chance to try to wait it out, to see maybe sanctions will bite because if you have more capabilities, you can wait longer. if you're not a super power, and israel is the not, you're very cognizant of the fact that your capabilities are more finite. and, therefore, your window for action is tighter. you have a tighter time table. you would love to wait it out. but you're not sure you can. and it's that asymmetry between israel -- between the united states and israel that means these gaps are not closed. if i had one word, if you had to take one phrase from this talk, the clocks are not synchronized. and that is the concern because of this asymmetry in the military capability. now, israel's window close at the end of th

regime change was the intended goal as a nod to have a report with iranian regime the goal here is to buy time and make sure that iran does not cross a red line on weaponization we're not talking about restoring relations with iran making peace with iran we're talking about stopping iran's nuclear weaponization and i think from that standpoint there are a lot of people within the u.s. government and national security establishment that are interested in that outcome and are serious about that outcome explicitly the u.s. calls not a regime change right now we want to stop the iranian nuclear weapons program and i think going back to the earlier statement that harmony may make the decision to exit the p.t. we have to look at what the situation in iran is and right now it's very vulnerable its economy has been very hard there are internal divisions within iran within the political system the population as a rest of the runnion regime is very well aware that it's under pressure and that it's not necessarily negotiating from a position of strength. and they decide to go ahead in addition t

you know, we are concerned that the iranian will look to beirut. which is an international financial center, has been for some time. as their jumping off point back into the international financial system. and so again, we have been very clear with the lebanese that is very attentive to and will respond to if we have the predication. >> i think we can talk for like 12 hours if we were given the chance. i'm going to ask one more question and then open it up to the audience. david, how do you think about and deal with the rise of the chinese economy, the chinese banking system? we see in the newspapers today the federal reserve announcing the allowance for chinese banks to expand their presence in the u.s., significant announcement, i think. how do you deal with the chinese in part when they are not as cooperative as we would like them to be on some of these issues, whether it's north korea or iran or syria? and how do you contend with the fact that their economy is rising, their banking sector is powerful, and they in some way are becoming a force i

we went the extra mile away try and we tried to deal with them but you can't negotiate with the iranians the kind of the typical thing you hear in western media . i think no i think we want to deal with iran because all sides are aware that if there is not a deal there is a potential for an israeli military strike against iran and i could lead to a region wide. military conflict pitting all sides against each other so i think the united states and the p five plus one are very serious about these talks and they want the talks to succeed and i disagree i think we are putting our offer is on the table there's a lot of pressure on terror and we seen that pressure work to some extent. leadership has come to the table and right now they want sanctions relief but iran also has to show that it's serious about the tot's it has to offer confidence building measures it has to show the international community not just the united states and the p five plus one but really the international community which opposes the iranian nuclear program or the nuclear weapons program anyways that iran syria is abo

actors, as you know, and iranian movies, fantastic iranian movies. separation is one from this year. women are not exactly as they are perceived to be in the u.s. if you put aside the government of iran, if you focus on the people of iran, you will see that the civil rights movement like in north africa and a literary movement is going to happen. >> host: professor, when you get people from the west talk about the need to modernize, what do you think? >> guest: , i tell them the desire to modernize iran started more than 160 years ago. i said that many men and women have sacrificed life in search of human dignity and democracy and gender equity. i tell them that if we don't start a war in, a new one, we can stop that civil movement in iran. and i pray that this nonviolent movement that has started in iran would be allowed to floor -- flourish so that it would be able to. the focus of my book is on nonviolent tradition of problems. nonviolent resolution of problems. as i say time and again, [inaudible name] was a timeless writer. as you know, she was

russia the iranian foreign minister made the point today that the sheer quality of iranian crude oil means that countries want to buy it it is you know it is in demand in terms of that and we've seen the european union. lessening the sanctions ten european states when told they can have economic relationships around so i don't really see and i think you'll start to question why the sanctions still in place there are no talks going on over the whole of the iranian nuclear program iran is bending over backwards as far as i can see to make to go along with those talks therefore there are negotiations and this isn't a precise time and rather than trying to increase sanctions on iran maybe they should be westing sanctions are sure of good faith going into those negotiations right now what about as you as you were talking about the u.s. all sanctions the actual true. due to come into effect in july do you think turkey will be able to get by without iranian oil do you see turkey giving up iranian oil and actually at some point perhaps in july doing exactly what washington is demanding of it

but some iranian companies are finding ways to get around them. nhk world shows us how. >> reporter: one of the largest oil exhibitions in middle east was held in tehran in april. despite eminent new sanctions, iran remains bullish, as eager as ever to promote its abundant oil reserves. >> translator: iran has one of the world's largest reserves of oil and natural gas. we are ready to sign contracts with many foreign firms at the event. >> reporter: but moves to slap new sanctions on iran are making some of the exhibiters nervous. >> translator: we can't respond to interviews. it's our head office policy. >> reporter: the iranian economy is already feeling the effects of western sanctions. prices of goods, mainly imports, have more than doubled. >> translator: amid inflation, prices are soaring. it's really tough. >> reporter: for years, iran has secured shipping routes with its trading partners by using dubai located across the persian gulf as a trading point. but transactions via dubai have been sharply restricted after the u.s. stepped up press

but, you know, the meeting that was held in istanbul several weeks ago, you know, the iranians came, seemed to be at least willing to engage in a conversation. the proof of the pudding is in the eating. when they see what happens in baghdad, see what happens going forward, in the meantime, we are going to continue to maintain the pressure, because i think, as i said, there's no doubt that the pressure that has been applied has been at least in part a contributing factor to getting us to where we are today. >> and you have the convergence of several events coming this summer. right? you have, obviously, baghdad in the meetings that are coming up. you have the triggering of mechanism in terms of sanctions on banks in the legislation coming june 28th and then you have the oil embargo from the european union triggered on july 1st. >> right. >> what do you see as treasury policy sort of given those seminole events coming up in the next few weeks? >> yeah. i mean, those are, in particular, this june 28th date is very important. that's the date under the ndaa, under the new legislation, aft

negotiators wrap up talks on the iranian nuclear program with more sanctions looming. the negotiators from iran and six world powers have wrapped up talks on iran's nuclear power but they are still worlds apart. westerb delegate des manded iranian scientists stop enriching uranium to levels that could be used for weapons. >> it's clear that we both want to make progress and that there is some common ground. however, significant differences remain. >> iranian negotiators pressed u.s. and european officials to lift their economic sanctions. >> translator: iran has the right to enrich uranium and generate nuclear energy for peaceful purposes. >> the negotiators will meet again in moscow next month. joining us today is koichiro tanaka. thank you for joining us. no agreement came this time around, even after the second day of talks. what exactly is the fundamental difference between the two sides? >> basically, unlike the previous talks that were held in istanbul in april, i believe that the iranians made a substantial proposal, the agenda, the main agenda here is -- was th

oil do you see turkey giving up iranian oil and actually at some point perhaps in july doing exactly what washington is demanding of it but i could see turkey actually say no we'll keep buying it iran is supplying virtue the majority of their own needs if they weren't buying a reunion all the dividing iraqi oil and that opens up another number of issues there over a number of questions i don't think the iraqis. keen on being dependent on iraq at the moment and i think also has to be seen in a wider and wider ballpark that really is exerting its own influence in the region and it doesn't actually come into conflict with iran talkies into interested in the caucuses in other other parts of the world it doesn't feel itself pitched against iran certainly not in the way that saudi arabia and the guy. states too who are desperate for someone to attack iran because they feel really in the in the region they feel that really an influence in that region and really the never have lightly reunions are not very pretty so i do apologize for the we're running low on time here but turkey is not the

or do we get mired in something that will be a great distraction from the iranian issue? if danielle is right that it it is going to help us vis-a-vis iran, then it seems to me it's got to be a quick strategy to keep our eyes on the ball. if aaron is right, that ultimately we're never going to commit enough resources, then it seems to me it will be a big distraction. so i would like a strategy if it really is being seen through the prism of iran to what extent is there a strategy to do something in a very relatively short period of time. that to me is critical. and clearly the russians have been blocking the security council despite us having meetings and telling them all sorts of things. we're not out to take your arms share of the market, we're not out to take your port access in syria. his response to hillary clinton when she's raised this with him has been, you know what, i believe you, hillary, i'm sure you mean what you say. but the problem is at the end of the day, you don't decide. at the end of the day, the new regime in syria is going to identify us with the old

this iranian blogger has lived in exile in canada for the last seven years. he says he knows exactly what iran's internet overlord's have in store. >> the master plan is to be able to cut off the internet when needed, to sort of had a key, and they would be able to make it an island in the rest of the ocean. the reason would be if events are happening in iran -- social unrest, political unrest, any sensitive time, they would be able to cut the internet from the outside and publish content that would be not with the governor wants it to be. >> how can the government control internet when it cannot even protect itself from cyber attacks like the one that hit iranian industrial and nuclear facilities? can iran release which the internet on and off at will? this reporter thinks the plan places limits of what is technically possible. >> the iranians want certain organizations that do business abroad like banks, for example, to keep their internet access, to retain their link to the outside world, and to discriminate between groups that are not allowed access and g

the iranians talk and enrich. there's nothing i've seen credible to make me believe they're not pursuing a nuclear weapons capability. i hope the talks next tuesday will change their behavior. i appreciate what senator menendez has done to give this president more tools to make them even tougher than they are today. but the worst thing we could do before next tuesday is leave any doubt to anybody who's watching this debate that there's more on the table than just sanctions. that on the table -- and we thoap god whopeto god we never o stop the iranian nuclear program by the use of force, if that is required. that's all i want us to saivment and i hope we never get there. and this last statement i agree with, that i'm not asking for a declaration of war against irng or syria, but i will not ask for -- who has killed over 2 that americans in iraq who has been a proxy for evil throughout the planet, whose own president doesn't believe the holocaust doesn't existed. to my friends at aparks i agree with you most of the

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the iranians and p-5 plus 1 in baghdad, iraq. that will about point of discussion on friday evening. this has been a top priority for this administration. as you all know, we've had a multivariable intensive approach from the first days we came into office. this approach has began with offers for engagement. they were not met with a response from the iranians's we proceeded then to again a multiple variant pressure campaign, frankly, that included a lot of elements including sanctions. the unprecedented international sanctions campaign we put in place i think has resulted in the iranians coming to the table. each member of the g-8 is a core member of the sanctions effort. each member has been absolutely essential to really putting in place what has been an extraordinarily effective and i think most people wom say surprisingly effective sanctions effort. they'll also be pressing the iranians to take advantage of the diplomaticers putting forward and the pressure on iranians to demonstrate continued good faith coming out of istanbu

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the iranian scuse me the israeli prime minister and opposition have reached an agreement following all night negotiations to avoid snap elections in our plan to form a unity government with benjamin netanyahu is party on monday netanyahu brought the date for the poll forward to temper the fourth cues in the opposition of blackmail and populism. the afghan president has said the recent nato killings of civilians could hinder a peace pact he just signed with barack obama last week the agreement covers the long term u.s. role in afghanistan after its planned withdrawal in two thousand and fourteen the move comes after an airstrike by coalition forces killed fourteen and injured six in the country's northwest dozens have died in just the past few days all amid nato airstrikes. mortar shells of landed on a crowded neighborhood of somalia's capital four members of a family died in one house two other people were killed nearby also a child died from shrapnel wounds it was not immediately clear who was behind the shelling but much of mogadishu has been relatively peaceful over the past year ho

will that potentially stop an iranian nuclear weapons or just buy the iranians more time?ohn boulton joins us. good morning, ambassador. >> good morning. glad to be here. >> as always, good to see you. you called it last week. you said there wouldn't be any agreement, the iranians are not going to stap. >> the iranians are not going to be negotiated out of their nuclear weapons programs. they see the talks as a way to gain concessions from the europeans and the united states, relief from sanctions, acceptance of their right to enrich uranium in principle and in a variety of other things. as they drag the talks out they get closer to the west, as it has repeatedly done in the past, giving in to those demands. i think it has been a big mistake to engage in these negotiations. it simply gives iran time and gives them legitimacy and may actually bring them relief from the sanctions. >> talks in istanbul, no agreement, other talk, no agreement, and now talks in moscow, same thing? >> you have to be a theological believer in diplomacy so say we had a great success in these negot

iranians u.s. lawmakers the more senior officials demand listed secretary clinton for democracy and freedom in iran do you list. and that might not be too far from reality the obama administration is looking to take this iranian opposition group off of its list of terrorist organizations all this despite the m e k it's questionable history so who's really behind these ads and what will this mean for iran and the u.s. . and speaking of questionable practices the private prison industry is locking up so-called hardened criminals for cold hard cash and lots of it we'll tell you which state is known as the prison capital of the u.s. and just how many people are being incarcerated there. it's tuesday may fifteenth seven pm here in washington d.c. i'm liz awhile and you're watching r t well as voters today cast their ballots in the two g.o.p. presidential primaries and a time of limited campaign spending for millionaires and billionaires we ask does every voice count nowadays and what's expected to be th

however, significant differences s s remain. >> iranian delegates demanded u.s. and european officials lift some economic sanctions. >> translator: iran has the right to enrich uranium and generate nuclear energy for peaceful purposes. >> negotiators are trying to find a way t reduce tensions in the persian gulf. but they remain far apart on several key issues including the inspections of some facilities. >>> tokyo stock investors don't know what positions to take thp pethe strong yen and urn certainty in europe are keeping them on the sidelines. the nikkei has just opened this friday. ai uchida joins us now. >> to add to the lack of direction, overnight in new york stocks ended in a mixed picture. the dow jones average turned higher in late trading while some losses in high-tech issues held the nasdaq lower. so let's see how stocks are trading here in tokyo this friday morning. for that we're going to go to ramin mellegard. good morning to you. happy friday. there some are mixed signals from europe as well as the u.s. how are tokyo stocks starting off this morni

the iranians talk and enrich. there's nothing i've seen credible to make me believe they're not pursuing a nuclear weapons capability. i hope the talks next tuesday will change their behavior. i appreciate what senator menendez has done to give this president more tools to make them even tougher than they are today. but the worst thing we could do before next tuesday is leave any doubt to anybody who's watching this debate that there's more on the table than just sanctions. that on the table -- and we thoap god whopeto god we never o stop the iranian nuclear program by the use of force, if that is required. that's all i want us to saivment and i hope we never get there. and this last statement i agree with, that i'm not asking for a declaration of war against irng or syria, but i will not ask for -- who has killed over 2 that americans in iraq who has been a proxy for evil throughout the planet, whose own president doesn't believe the holocaust doesn't existed. to my friends at aparks i agree with you most of the

can meet with the iranians on the basis of their n.p.t. membership but also the iranians to come out with some statement that can help buzz but the real story is it is already reduced to it's all in the board. and we have time i mean we have really some more time to. june before the. policy of american sanctions so unless we are told to mention that you know japan has been granted of the. possible i want to thank you so much for your time and it's certainly the interesting to watch what happens after these meetings are all over i'm going to be following hillary clinton's visit to india for the rest of the day and i'll keep you guys updated on that. are there now let's take a look at some other stories from around the world the cia claims of thwarted you know kind of plot to bomb an airliner on the first anniversary of the killing of osama bin laden involved a bomb concealed in underwear that was to be detonated aboard a passenger jet a similar scheme was used in december two thousand and nine but failed when the explosives didn't detonate

not the iranian people. clearly would put israel at risk. and one has to assume that a responsible israeli leader getting up in the morning and looking at his country which is about that wide. you're in a jet aircraft you better start turning across the coast or you're going through israel so small. very small population. what kind of risk do they want to take. one has to assume they would do something. i also have to assume that their intelligence is probably better than ours. where the iranians are on that journey which i believe is a journey toward the development and fabrication of nuclear weapons but where they are on that journey i've -- i've heard so many estimates for so many years i know i don't know. think of it this way. it's a known unknown. >> time for a few more questions. >> mr. secretary, you mentioned changing of institutions at the inflection point. now i'm curious to get your thoughts on what you think the role is of nato particularly with european countries. >> the european countries are below 2%. nato, if they take the u

in a position now where the iranians are willing to go to the table. we keep the pressure up and offer a realistic deal, such that the iranians would accept it and we can stop them short of a nuclear weapon and hope some time down the line this regime falls. >> patrick, what happens here? the headlines as you saw coming out saying that what we're seeing out of israel today and the netanyahu government, saying they're getting closer to striking on iran, and striking before the u.s. elections. what's your take on what this bottom line is? >> well, in my personal life, i'm very good at postponing making difficult decisions and i have a lot of respect for the ability of israeli politicians to do the same. so that's a lot of agonizing in israel about what to do. i would be very surprised if israeli politicians took a risky move like striking iran until the very last minute when they felt they had no other choice. >> the romney campaign said biden was completely inaccurate. when he said ahmadinejad was going to be gone from office in two years, or kicked out

the inspections of iranian facilities, and weaponization. and i should say that they've also explicitly spell out, the u.n. security council resolutions call for suspense f enrichment. we believe these principles maximize the chance of reaching a solid deal while protecting our interests and those of our close allies who incidentally are not at the table, won't be at the take in baghdad, but

policy director of the national iranian american council thank you. thank you. syrian rebels have reportedly begun to undergo guerrilla warfare training in kosovo there allegedly to be using the same training camps built for the anti course of our live liberation army a group previously designated as a terrorist organization by the united states and then. the foreign affairs editor for the u.s. based chronicles magazine sees a little good that'll come from this well first of all i don't think they can learn much from the care only about through. the questions because the colonel a was singularly unsuccessful in its rebellion against the serbian security of course is until the nato bombing and even then they were not engaging in combat they were going to go as marauders quickly glancing normal brainy so the first point is that there is nothing to learn in terms of conduct of visions and in terms of actually organizing a successful guerrilla war i understand that our modern army. one of the syrian opposition leaders who came to the united actually spoke to an a.p.

coincide with a trade a coalition from tehran that is trying to encourage india to continue buying iranian oil obviously that's not what washington wants they recently imposed an oil embargo along with the e.u. on iran over its controversial nuclear program the west believes obviously that iran is developing nuclear weapons and iran has maintained that it has a peaceful nuclear program india along with several other countries like china japan and south korea aren't following on the fiction they actually have been through those four countries account or sixty percent of iran oil customers so a lot of people are saying that things aren't going to work unless washington can get these asian countries on board here with me to talk more about hillary clinton's visit and the issue on iran with washington if professor k.p. me if you can first of all explain to me why you think this has become such a contentious issue between washington and delhi and we even had president obama saying that countries that continue to engage with iran and by iranian oil could

why would the iranians go to him? >> the iranians will exploit an opportunity if they see one, whether the guy is, you know, sort of some kind of fancy pants international arms dealer with a mink coat and a private jet, or whether he's some guy operating out of a basement somewhere in some kind of classic boiler room style operation. it doesn't really matter to them as long as they get the technology that they are seeking at the other end of it. >> kris leads a multi-agency effort to hunt down the smugglers. a lot of the investigative work is done by i.c.e., u.s. immigration and customs enforcement. clark settles, a special agent with i.c.e., says the wake-up call came in 2005, when u.s. soldiers in iraq stumbled upon an unexploded roadside bomb. and they looked inside, and it was american chip inside the i.e.d.? >> yes, and what i can say is that they're finding that on a regular basis. that there's u.s. components inside of i.e.d.s in iraq and afghanistan. >> the government learned that the u.s. manufacturer had sen

oil. >> and china has reduced their buy of iranian oil, south africa has and so on h. so this is the only good outcome as far as i can see and are there variations on these things? probably. but fundamentally these are the three choices. >> rose: what if israel does it on its own? >> well, i think that would be worse than us doing it. because i think that then has lots of regional complications they may end up in a much larger myself conflict. so i think that would be worse. >> rose: so we have to change the behavior and not the regime, so to speak. >> well, i think setting as a goal regime change is too ambitious and we can't on our own bring that about. the key is bringing about changes in the policies of the regime and long term again articulating our principles and then supporting those reform elements in iran. >> well, the argument is made by governor romney and others within the national security conversation that the administration that you served should have been more positive about the revolution taking place in the streets that the iranians put down after the