the women and children of isis fighters who either came from outside this country to live under isisory. >> baker: by july 2018, sam had been in the kurdish deteion camp for almost eight months.n she had four childth her. two had been born in raqqa.s and she ill sending messages to her sister. >> (voicemail): i'm sending this voice message-- sorry, i've lost my voice, but... i just want you to know that things are getting really tough here, and, um, i don't have any way to provide for my kiddos, and things are, things are hardo i just need to get o here, we need to get out of here, we need to get out of here quick. >> baker: what sam didn't know is that e fbi was preparing to bring her ho for prosecution. john demers is the assistant attorney general for national security. >> we have made it a principleme that anycan who left here to go to fight for isis should be brought back to face justice in the united states, to be held accountable here in the united states. >> baker: when did you start building a case against, uh, samantha elhassani, and what l you to do that? >> the fbi began

isis flag or they know what an isis flag looks like.these are things, baseline things that we haven't done in any real substance. >> what happened to the programs of late 20th century that were reintegration services, rehabilitation programs and not just in terms of terrorists but are within the category of criminals. do you see a hope for more robust -- >> i don't. the numbers are largely small. we have 85 individuals to get out in the next 2 years. you spend that across 94 different u.s. attorneys' offices, you don't have the large-scale programs that you can use against one guy in chicago. i talked to a man who was in alshabab and got out. he wanted to pray in his mosques but the mosques didn't want anything to do with them, they don't want the heat that involves with that and he's got no social fabric or safety to kind of pull them out along the way. i don't know how to solve that but i just know it's a problem. >> a couple of people asked the question which is not exactly -- i have to ask it anyway because it's in mind which is gua

why would she go to isis? to be around the environment, and because it probably just to her seemed like something fun to do. >> bakerdo, do you really think she would go all the waye to isis for rill of it? >> yeah, i do. >> they are the people no country wants. >> this camp has become a center where so-called isis families are now being gathered. the women and children of amis fighters who either ce from outside ts country to eve under isis rule, or w born in isis territory. >> baker: by july 2018, sam had been ithe kurdish detention camp for almost eight months.e d four children with her. two had been born in raqqa. and she was still sending messages to her sister. >> (voicemail): i'm sending this voice message-- sorry, i'vlost my voice, but... i just want you to know that things are gting really tough here, and, um, i don't have any ,y to provide for my kidd and things are, things are hard. i just need to get out of here, we need to get out of here, we need to get out of here quick. >> baker: what sam didn'

because you don't put the word isys. that's what i'm talking about en i say we don't have a full picture in america yet. i will say to my colleagues i'm still looking it is incumbent on us as a democracy to share as much infoation and to get a sense of the nature of the threato put our resources against it. we $10million from isys and then fro white supremacist it is the number even? i don't think we know that. >> what about europe? >> theyre looking at 50/50 cases so that dynamic has shifted from 90 / ten at 50/50. th is true of most law enforcement coming at all angles now it's almost a little bit easier when they want to travel versus now which is ideology. >> how do you look at those tacks as a broader resuence with the muslim popution? >> there is a different dynamic in europe and america. for t most par you don't have people handing out leaflets in times square. you do see that happen in birmingham. so the overt nature of recruitmenis different. to be fair in the us with some notable exceptions there are not extrem

and isys in europe and with the white supremacist extremism. and those that are in their teens and in their early twenties. >> i was surprised by the case study. not only those arrested for criminal charges but those arrested for 15 in charge of material support most of the time a bunch of minor cases the agents will determine they didn't want to break up that charge through the department of justice. but to say we don't want to try a 16 -year-old for terrorism and want them to spend 20 years in jail but i think that was mildly concerning on my end. what you saw was an interesting trend particularly now was a step up state and local officials so you see terrorist charges in arizona and new jersey and new york for minor cases of 17 -year-olds in the case of south carolina a 16 -year-old was charged at state level spending two years in jail got out and then charged again charge for terrorism at 18. that is a failure of policy you see these minors going down this path and not having an option other than law enforcement it is a concern that policym

that so we defeated isys. and theno see turkey go in and the pkk a designated terrorist organization within that but to seturkey come in and crush those very forces we worked with is disturbing as well. can you talk about the detention camps? and the threat of isys and i get reports aut these detention camps releasingsys members. >> thank you for raising this. those detention camps those who are known to be isys members the are detention facilities specialized with much greater security than a large number of those fiters many who are not from syria are from all over the world and ntral asia and that is a big problem. there are other camps for displaced people many of whom o have been on - - you have lead the campaign somewhere isys childreor the children of former isys families are a large number of women that were members of is that were held hostage there is a very large number of those and it's very conceing because the population as a whole is around 70000 people there are more than 30000 iraqis summer ju

and isis did not go away. that's where al qaeda used to be after 9/11. and then it exist with afghanistan or boko haram or to establish this presence in africa so well do terrorist attacks but then to prosecute them and put them in jail but they are still dangerous and now there's more terrorist attacks in syria than iraq. for from the shia perspective and then basically to copy the extremist. and to be very successful and then successfully with these countries and with a lot of treasure and money it seems politically with the nonstate actors and then word moved to support the side. and then and then the southern peninsula. i think we have violent extremist groups. and with those powers and to terrorist organizations and then it makes it even more. from that perspective with the white supreme missy one --dash but they are copying this for the experience and how they were and who have their own g hard. and then the italian. and the russian side. but then they come back for that decision. and then and then it was way more dangerous. >> what does this tell

risking the lives of billions coming up on the show almost one year ago global strategist against isis and al-qaeda hearing in general consumption a man he was murdered on the orders of u.s. president donald trump with no condemnation from nato nations we speak to the daughter of the general credited with arguably saving countless lives from washington's london in the going underground world exclusive 1st interview as joe biden's national security adviser designate threatens a coalition against iran from january all this and more coming up in the penultimate show of the season but 1st the un special rapporteur agnes kalama has concluded that the us and off we assassinated iranian general cousins from a money using an obama era style drone strike on baghdad airport the assassination was condemned by un security council members russia and china but not france and britain here is still a money's daughters and speaking as her father's funeral into the largest since revolutionary leader grand ayatollah khomeini there are there why is that because i know many call you that i've always just s

being a terrorist even lloyd austin the new joe biden pentagon pick said he was great in combating isis and al qaeda suddenly went from hero to terrorist why. well all of us know this al qaida isis they are a group of terrorists that america made them and we have many proofs for that. my father was the only person was a standing in front of such a terrorist groups. of course they are not happy for my friend that my father is a standing in front of such a groups because they made it they made it to start a war in the middle east and they use it to start hurting people and taking their houses their jobs their money their countries of course they are not happy for my father is a standing in front of them and destroying them everywhere and you know this i know also recording that. giuliana sounds the founder of wiki list he exposed the email. that jack solon was telling hillary clinton on. that al qaida is on our side in syria ok best seem that shows this man is still in the present why because he exposed them and he said for everyone that such a group of terrorists that are killing people

what is the next isis going to be like?have you observed anything in oar that gives you concerned about future efforts to groups like isis? i will be very interested in your view. >> so i think like all terrorist group, they continue to medicine is into something new and unique. their ability to exploit novel methods to get off the funding. bitcoin, other similar sort of apparatus to the business. the ability to transcend time zones and international borders will become a more common place. so no longer will terrorism, in my view, be constrained to one particular area. it will percolate very quickly and transmit as well through a narrative back into any of the nations that we have within the coalition. and that happens over time. and so we need to be really cognizant of when terrorism is being bred or at least the sources of instability that could breed back terrorism. is that we do all we can with our engagement abroad to make sure that those countries that are struggling, that if left unchecked, that they would end up per

led campaign against isis in iraq and syria. bilal saab, i teach at georgetown university's school of foreign service. today's event is the ninth episode of the defense leadership series, the series is a high level platform we created back in june of this year. and it is a platform where current and former military and defense leaders from both the united states and the region are able to discuss some of the most important policy issues facing the two sides. we were extremely fortunate to inaugurate the series on june 10th, with a conversation with the commander of centcom frank mckenzie. since then we had the honor of hosting some of the country's brightest most seasoned leaders in the defense space, including former usdb michele flournoy, heidi grant, the current centcom deputy commander jim malloy who recently transitioned into the role having served earlier as the nafsent commander. the current centcom security chief, the former asd for international security affairs, and, of course, the former lebanese armed forces commande

and i helped him set up the defeat isis task force. so i feel very strongly about his capability. and obviously, this is horrible that this is going on for him. i don't know if the intent was just to make it difficult for the biden team to get their information. honestly, particularly since they're also trying to zero out the money for the defeat isis task force and those activities, it feels like the president is trying to burnish his sort of legacy and say, you know what, we took care of isis, that was on my watch. we're done with that. and it was more of a symbol in that way. but it's true, i've been a part of two transitions now between different administrations, and you need competent people who do the briefings and the updates, walk you through current threats, and chris would have been a fantastic person to do that, and it's going to be a big gap that he's gone. >> congresswoman elissa slotkin from michigan, former senior pentagon official. you are uniquely placed to help us understand the imapplicables of these moves. thank you for helping us understand. i appreciate it. >

not able to move around, that means isis can. that means isis is getting in with the population and influencing them. >> reporter: but president trump opened the door to an incursion by turkey into syria last year, some people in syria told us off-camera, they are now finding it harder to trust the u.s. norah? >> o'donnell: holly williams in irbil tonight, thank you. and there is still much more news ahead on tonight's "cbs evening news." an explosive wreck at 137 miles per hour-- how did the driver survive? severe storms play in the east and who will get hit by the next batch of dangerous weather. and the breathes taking rescue of a man clinging to life on a sinking boat nearly 90 miles from shore. re. this is hal's heart. it's been broken. and put back together. this is hal's relief, knowing he's covered by medicare from blue cross blue shield. and with coverage you can trust, backed by over 80 years of healthcare expertise, we'll be there when it matters most. this is medicare from blue cross blue shield. this is the benefit o

day yes netanyahu is pictured with islam ists who links to isis to. notice in the b.b.c. here in britain found out that british support was ending up with islam ists in syria what i'm getting at is where is the support for islam is coming from in your region you know i don't know you and i ever met you but they can tell you judging from your question you have misspelled. a huge misperception of what we really happens in the middle east and i'm not sure to what extent it could be of value have been interviewed we continue to to listen to your claims which i found totally disconnected from reality even here all day with the names and the events you have mentioned probably had happened i'm not sure of this give believe iran a bluffing about retaliation for the assassination of customs and the money i don't see a value for continue to continue these in the we owe you know your right to frame the situation or the perception of the viewers of the situation upon your judgment and to ask me just to give more kind of what if occasion to it i do not accept your

the trump was very upset when we partnered with a turkish group to drive isis out of iraq and out ofand then the turks equated the ypg to the pkk, which is a terrorist group, so it has made it more difficult for those people who are willing to fight and die to defeat isis. in libya, after nato went into get rid of qaddafi and we put in another government, the turks backed the general and his attempt to undermine the nato-recognized government. the turks also blamed a turkish american pastor for an attempted coup against erdogan when he had no role in it. there has been a lot of things going on and it does put the alliance in jeopardy, so it is important that when joe biden comes in, that these sanctions will get the turks back to the table and maybe move away from buying russian equipment. >> you could use these particular sanctions as leverage against turkey but many are concerned that this is something that could have far-reaching consequences to the point that it could even affect the nato alliance itself. >> you are this is where i -- you are right. this is where i differ from my

weapons that ended up in the hands of isis and actually. made the still who war problem was than it was the goal along with never really to fight isis the goal all along was to topple shariah law and that i think will still be. the policy of the incoming biden and inspirational as we get it's not exactly a done deal is it that defense secretary must be out of uniform at least 7 years before taking office but often only retired in 2016 at all times goes past the senate how big of a hurdle do you think might be. no good look thought. because general masses became drawn to the defense secretary also had to overcome this hurdle and he overcame it without too much difficulty and of course that was senators of the time was said that this is just a one off we're not going to do this again you know we really mean it this time but we don't have to take this very seriously particularly as many senators and many in the media policymaking so i called made a huge thank you shot of matches as if he was the grown up in the room as opposed to the terrible

and destroying isis in iraq yet the biggest threat in iraq is not from isis it's from his militias trying to tara and i do believe the united states will conduct some strikes against militia leaders end of january 20th based on the rhetoric and based on the fact that it will just be over by a team or what ridge inside of iraq and and in dealing with iran to to to target some of these leaders that are now really chilling the rockies that are threatening the u.s. and nato mission. and i saw you shaking your head in response to some of what michael was saying in his past answer did you want to add to it. the trumpet ministration is deliberately escalating tensions in the region including with iran and just to intimidate iran and iraq and iraqi groups but this is a symptom. the real reason the root cause of the current situation is the fact that the trumpet ministration has failed on his goals in the pats for years when he pulled out of the j.c. p.r. way 2018 he stated 4 goals 1st it was to get iran to renegotiate the nuclear deal on his terms 2nd it was to get iran. agreed to a better deal t

we are supposed to be destroying isis in iraq, yet the biggest threat in iraq is not from isis, it isrom these militias tied to tehran. i believe the united states will conduct some strikes against militia leaders ahead of january 20 based on the rhetoric and the fact that, giving biden more leverage inside of iraq and in dealing with iran to target some of these leaders that are not only killing iraqis but threatening the u.s. and nato's mission in iraq. >> i saw you shaking your head in response to what michael was saying. did you want to add to it? >> the trump administration is deliberately escalating tensions in the region, including with iran, and just to intimidate iran and iraqi groups. this is a symptom. the real reason, the root cause of the current situation, is the fact that the trump administration has failed on his goals in the past four years. when he pulled out of the jcpoa in 2018, he stated four goals. first, it was to get iran to renegotiate the nuclear deal on his terms. second, it was to get iran to agree to a better deal that will eliminate iran's uranium your ri

there is such a thing at isis. and they put out, back in the day back when they are still operating in syria, they put out a magazine. their comments on current event events. one of the things they put out after the attack on france is an article basically calling on muslims to pick a side. you either chose the side of isis, or you chose the side of the unbelievers. and anyone who was in the gray zone, meaning had wanted to coexist with others rather than to just go to the quote unquote for seders, if you did not pick aside any chose a side of coexistence that meant you were living in the gray zone. in the gray zone according to isis is a terrible thing because they view the world in black and white. and that is the kind of view that i thought reminded me very much of what george w. bush said in his address to the nation after 911 when he said you are either with us or against us. there is the sort of way at looking at the world in black and whites. that has always struck me as a very sort of dangerous way of looki

isis isis is growing back in yemen it was almost decimated a few years ago and their concentration seems now to be in the area and they would love to create disruption and create power vacuums in those areas and. create the kind of. turmoil that we continue to see in yemen. well the latest tragedy in yemen comes right after the u.s. state department gave the green light to a $219000000.00 arms deal with saudi arabia the state department has made a determination approving a possible foreign military sale to the kingdom of saudi arabia $39.00 small diameter bomb one munitions and related equipment for an estimated cost of $290000000.00. of ministration approved an agreement less than a month to go before the next president takes over the white house and it follows billions of dollars worth of weapons exports from the us to saudi arabia in recent years it's happening despite repeated warnings over the spiraling civilian deaths in the saudi led bombing 'd of yemen which has been ongoing since march 25th. the saudi led coalition and the. fights in since march 25th seen are responsible for law

fighting both isis and us on. this 2nd of a 2 part epic tale of a remarkable family. the father the son and the jihad. on al-jazeera it's 10 years since the arab spring shipped countries across the middle east a decade on from the 1st uprising we'll look at the legacy of a revolution. join us as we assess the changes in the political landscape of the middle east and north africa. on al-jazeera. this is al-jazeera. hello and welcome i'm peter w. watching the news our live from doha coming up in the next 60 minutes business as usual but virtually the french president emanuel macro test positive for corona virus then shares a government meeting via video conference. our. pressure mounts on the nigerian government to secure the release of hundreds of students kidnapped by gunman from a.

i will say this, saying that isis is a flash in the pan is on par with saying boston isn't much of an. i think that what we should be looking at is you got to get used to how the media is going to report these things. gone are the deep dives into people's paths or their personal paths. instead you're going to get this catch and release kind of news bulletin where they report this something that joe does and then take a nap because their work is done. he got this nominee and the news coverage will become actual, believe it or not, this is a good thing. the news coverage becomes actual news coverage. the hyperbole suddenly disappears and you just have so-and-so, it would simply be that. it won't be anything about his ex-wives or ex-husbands or those stupid things he said on twitter. it would have to be there reporting, the reporters will turn to the basics of their jobs minus the emotionalism. i guess i'm happy for it but it's also kind of gross. >> geraldo: up next, seriously, a surge in violent crime not stopping one d.a. in one of america's biggest cities from outlining sweeping cri

troops to defeat isis has. well i think you and i do too general reasons that there are many many people wanted him dead in washington versus that yes he need to collaborate with the u.s. against the isis although not directly against sex but let's just say they you know they were in the same side of course iraq but he had also been i mean he had helped kill a lot of american soldiers before and a lot of people in america i'm intercepted and released this is the stolen money they know the stolen money is the man who helped. and after the iraq invasion of 2 doesn't she helped really stop iranian plans with as i said that was it that on the defeat of israel into any 06 and you call it an arguable defeat when israel invaded lebanon but it's well that surely also has a role so i was going to get sort of that as part of what's taken as a so that was that but it did 2nd thing that also the money was a very effective commander who was able to really put together a sheer chance national army organized tens of thousands

-led campaign against isis in iraq, and syria.

the difference between al qaeda and isis is not only the message in the product but the people.has the ability and the time in the space to reach out systematically to americans and groom them over weeks and months to encourage them. think of a case in upstate new york where a man was reaching out to another man with a mental health issue about the need to commit an attack in a nightclub in new york. this is an individual without being whispered in his ear probably would've went a different way but al qaeda just pushes the message out like a megaphone and throws out the message to hope it sticks. these guys are much more one-on-one intervention push the message >> hello welcome to the montgomery federal society thank you for being here. we are on the top part of the top building on a windy day after a tropical storm so what could go wrong. [laughter] we have a lot of people here today as you recognize by now we have to socially distance and follow guidelines so thank you for your patience.

isis come along, then they crushed like isis caliphate -- crushed the isis caliphate. he doesn't get much credit for that. one professional criticism i make of president trump is not emphasizing enough what he is doing. for instance, the first time he actually came in and spent a full day on a particular issue in the district. and yet, that they, i remember going to andrews air force base, hearing on the radio that president trump came out against transgenders in the military that morning. that becomes a story. when he is giving a speech, the -- then the story became president trump is endorsing police brutality. itn going back on the plane, was a small air force one, about 20 minutes before we landed, president comes out. getting off the plane, he realizes he was walking towards the back. one of the people said, the [indiscernible] yeah, sure. he says to me, what do you think of general kelly? really great guy. in one day, we had transgenders the military, banging on the door of the paddy wagon come the roof of the paddy wagon, all in a six-hour period. -13 part day,

the way groups like isis recruit people?uage, it isn't about recruiting someone to a political party. this is about using the kind of rhetoric that people will increasingly view as a call to arms. a call to action. we have seen it before. with people like the kenosha shooter, the wal-mart shooter, identify with this leadership that call them toward violence. people wearing suits, with law degrees, masters of divinity, in the case of collins. we see the main streaming of violent rhetoric. whether they intend it or not, contribute to a volatile flash point, where the language is put into action. >> people read t it is deep. this article, it is on msnbc.com. ask you about the split between president trump and attorney general barr, who said there is no wide spread fraud in the election. >> when you work a kidnapping, you demand to show from the kidnapper that victim is still alive. i think that attorney general barr is trying to save his personal legacy that is my personal experience with him. where he is coming from. we saw a

and the caliphate that isis established on the previous watch was destroyed. all of this paved the way for the abraham accords between israel and the uae and bahrain and sudan and most recently morocco and the potential is there for more on the horizon. now the middle east is not the only place the trump administration has shored up our footing on the worldth stage. and prayers in revenue national defense strategy. and to rebuild the military that america keeps the edge from space to advance weapon systems. and signing into law the historic commission act to make sure that does not and when the tour concludes. and that is nearly endless in the text of the lowest level since the 1970s. and the champion administration and then to conserve the national treasure like the outdoors act. and the most importantos of all and that the senate confirmed three outstanding supreme court justices along with 220 federal judges brilliant young constitutionalist men and women with lifetime appointments who will renew the judiciary for generation. 's because president trump know

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later just as things were coming down along comes isis and a set of questions. >> host: did you feel you could talk openly about questioning the war in iraq or afghanistan? >> guest: a great deal of awareness, everything that came out of their mouth would be scrutinized, for any sign of disloyalty, any sign, for anything that was not american. what happened after 9/11, muslim voices that supported wars, at the time was looking at newsweek, supporting the afghanistan war and the iraq war. even though he was well respected, wasn't invited to speak on private time television, the muslims who supported the wars were listened to, just - rabble-rousers, traders, there wasn't a sense, and susan sontag had a piece in the new yorker a week after the attack, because she expressed worry about what might happen in a country in which everybody is exposed to the same talking points, hurling towards a massive war so she was expressing concern. she was attacked in the press for weeks on that. it was a time when just expressing disagreement of us foreign policy could cost people their careers really.

the difference between al-qaeda and isis is not on the message and the product but the people. isis had the ability and time and space to reach out systematically to americans and groom them over the course of weeks and months to commit attacks. think of the case up in upstate new york where a man in raqqa was reaching out to another man with mental health issues about the need to commit an attack at a nightclub in upstate new york. this is an individual who i think without sue donnie probably would've gone in a different way, where as al-qaeda is put the message out, a a megaphone effect, thrw it out and hope it sticks. these guys were much more of a one-on-one intervention tried to push a message and action. >> to watch the rest of this program visit our website booktv.org, use the search box to look for the author's name of the title of his book homegrown. >> weeknights this month we feature booktv programs to preview what's available at the weekend on c-span2. tonight as part of our 2020 year end review we focus on books about science. >> enjoy booktv this week and every we

thousands of people the government is calling for international help to defeat fighters linked to isis so that the violence spread to mozambique's neighbors this is still. welcome to the program in wrong fighting in old mozambique is worsening a humanitarian crisis the military is struggling to hold back i select groups in the car by delgado region violence has intensified in recent months fighters have been accused of indiscriminate killings and burning villages mozambique's government has also help from neighbors south africa and tanzania as well as the european union the u.n. says at least 400000 people have been displaced many are living in camps with little food and water. we are not animals animals sleep in the sun they make a hole and we have spent 3 to 4 months sleeping on the floor on the cement we are getting sick. they is a lot of hunger here in 3 camps we are hungry tell people that the communities of my pos and upon their own hungry don't be surprised if you see people dying of hunger a bag of 50 kilograms of food for 30 days is nothing. be in the. war or to. help. out. th

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